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Posted
2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

Would be a perfect bow on this whole thing.

 

What's the next step if this happened?  trial by combat?  18 holes at Doral?

A 72 hole tournament to be played at a municipal course in South Texas. No carts, no caddies and no automatic victory if one of the contestants dies. The winner must complete all 72 holes.

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, 'stache said:

They should be raising these concerns behind closed doors not undermining their party's candidate and sitting president in public. 

I’m sure they did and received unsatisfactory answers like, “We just have to keep the President on life support until the end of January.”

Posted
1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Given all of the most recent polling, it's fantasy to think Joe Biden is dropping out of this race.

Get the VP out on the campaign trail and give her one job: attack Donald Trump with a fierceness for the next four months.

It’s always been fantasy

Posted
2 hours ago, 6th Street said:

The only way for Biden to win is for RFK to drop out

Never has so much been shouldered by so few brain worms.

Posted
8 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

His son might get 8% tho.

Anyone who thinks a 3rd party is suddenly going to out perform all the 3rd party candidates in history is a moron.

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Given all of the most recent polling, it's fantasy to think Joe Biden is dropping out of this race.

Get the VP out on the campaign trail and give her one job: attack Donald Trump with a fierceness for the next four months.

I would love to see her on the attack, but an "uppity" black lady is not going to appeal to the furrowed brow crowd.

Posted
1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

Anyone who thinks a 3rd party is suddenly going to out perform all the 3rd party candidates in history is a moron.

a tad aggressive, but we have a 3rd party candidate in all of our memories that did much better than this: ross perot.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

a tad aggressive, but we have a 3rd party candidate in all of our memories that did much better than this: ross perot.

That was 32 years ago. 

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19 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

RFK is going to be irrelevant to this election. He will get like 3% max. Everyone needs to get a grip.

3% is significant in a tight race. 

But the bigger problem is people staying home.  When Clinton lost in 2016, 59% of registered voters voted... in 2020 it was 66%.

I'm for Biden dropping out because we need to give the independents a reason to vote.

Right now, the choices on Restaurant America's menu are:

  • Back Alley Puffer Fish
  • 1,000 Year old Eggs or
  • Casu Marzu (Maggot Cheese)

Perhaps more people would show up if one of the options was a simple cheeseburger 

 

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3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Anyone who thinks a 3rd party is suddenly going to out perform all the 3rd party candidates in history is a moron.

I don't think any one 3rd party candidate can skew anything.  And while usually the biggest disruptor is the Libertarian candidate in some states (Perot and Nader notwithstanding) for the last half-century, you aggregate Stein, West, and RFK JR.  None of them alone are gonna change any state.  But as a whole, their three sets of electorates could fuck one just one state for Biden.  the DNC shouldn't focus on it with resources, but it could fuck up a Nevada or a Wisconsin if some scenarios---again the three of them as a whole.  

I dunno, y'all know your party way better than I do.  I'm down for whoever can humiliate and beat Trump.  If that's Biden, Harris, or Frank Stallone.  I did some heavy lifting for Biden in 2020 to get rid of the tumor.  But now maybe the Chemo has made it all worse.  I have faith in supporters of what is the right thing for America.  But the stupids are all starting to come out of hiding again like in 2016 and it's got me worried sick.  I'd have felt a lot better had this sorting-out not happened in fucking late July, but rather earlier in the year.  But this fucking simulation.  Of course, we're all gonna spend Labor Day weekend shooting up heroin to cope. 

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Posted
25 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I’m sure they did and received unsatisfactory answers like, “We just have to keep the President on life support until the end of January.”

Then support him regardless, especially considering the alternative.

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Just now, 'stache said:

Then support him regardless, especially considering the alternative.

They view that as a guaranteed loss based on their interactions with the President and internal polling data.  Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong.  I don't know.  Neither do you.

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2 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

I don't think any one 3rd party candidate can skew anything.  And while usually the biggest disruptor is the Libertarian candidate in some states (Perot and Nader notwithstanding) for the last half-century, you aggregate Stein, West, and RFK JR.  None of them alone are gonna change any state.  But as a whole, their three sets of electorates could fuck one just one state for Biden.  the DNC shouldn't focus on it with resources, but it could fuck up a Nevada or a Wisconsin if some scenarios---again the three of them as a whole.  

I dunno, y'all know your party way better than I do.  I'm down for whoever can humiliate and beat Trump.  If that's Biden, Harris, or Frank Stallone.  I did some heavy lifting for Biden in 2020 to get rid of the tumor.  But now maybe the Chemo has made it all worse.  I have faith in supporters of what is the right thing for America.  But the stupids are all starting to come out of hiding again like in 2016 and it's got me worried sick.  I'd have felt a lot better had this sorting-out not happened in fucking late July, but rather earlier in the year.  But this fucking simulation.  Of course, we're all gonna spend Labor Day weekend shooting up heroin to cope. 

What kind of combined percentage do you think those three could get in those states? West isn’t going to get hardly any I would imagine. 
You certainly know more about the inner workings of the party structure than I do. I’m not a member of the Democratic Party and never have been. They have just been the only party in my lifetime that isn’t evil and bigoted so it makes for easy choices.

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Just now, Goredho said:

They view that as a guaranteed loss based on their interactions with the President and internal polling data.  Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong.  I don't know.  Neither do you.

And they are doing a great job of helping realize their own fears because they are undermining the guy who’s going to be running. He’s not dropping out and everyone just needs to get over it at this point. Sorry but thems the facts 

Posted
Just now, Goredho said:

They view that as a guaranteed loss based on their interactions with the President and internal polling data.  Maybe they are right, maybe they are wrong.  I don't know.  Neither do you.

I don't think there is any polling anywhere suggesting a "guaranteed" loss, and I agree, neither of us know for sure how either way would play out, but if he's not stepping down, undermining him publicly by calling for it is just making it less and less likely that he can win. Just swallow your personal feelings and get behind him to give him the best chance at a win. That's my thought on how this should be handled.

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These people who are pushing for Biden to step aside or even not showing up for events are not doing it out of some "good of the party" perspective, they are political animals trying to read the tea leaves and then position themselves for the next step in their careers.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Just swallow your personal feelings and get behind him to give him the best chance at a win. That's my thought on how this should be handled.

This is going to seem like I’m picking on you but this is how races are lost.  If you have a good candidate you don’t need to be so precious about covering up for their weaknesses.  If you don’t have a good candidate then you shouldn’t be running him.  
 

It’s up to candidate Biden to argue that he’s fit for office, or do you think democracy functions best when a candidates flaws aren’t tested?  Let’s remember, it’s still primary season.  

Posted
1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

These people who are pushing for Biden to step aside or even not showing up for events are not doing it out of some "good of the party" perspective, they are political animals trying to read the tea leaves and then position themselves for the next step in their careers.

Correct. Whitmer not showing for that event, unless there is some real reason why not, shows me that she has no business being at the top of any presidential ticket.

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Posted
1 hour ago, DixonHur said:

Fuck the national polls, if this doesn't induce a pucker nothing will...

Latest battleground state polls today vs July 12, 2020

Arizona

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Georgia

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Michigan

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Minnesota

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Nevada

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North Carolina

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Pennsylvania

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Wisconsin

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Other, formerly swing states..

Florida

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Ohio

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Not great Bob

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Why aren’t you rooting for Joe?!?!

Posted
9 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

Every response to this should be "when are the Republicans replacing their candidate? Why aren't we asking about that?"

Because the people voting for democrats want a better candidate and the people voting for republicans would sacrifice their children for Trump. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I don't think there is any polling anywhere suggesting a "guaranteed" loss, and I agree, neither of us know for sure how either way would play out, but if he's not stepping down, undermining him publicly by calling for it is just making it less and less likely that he can win. Just swallow your personal feelings and get behind him to give him the best chance at a win. That's my thought on how this should be handled.

We'll see if Biden can consistently avoid reminding people that his mental acuity is fading fast and that he has no business being President except due to the alternative.  If he can and wins, then you will prove to be right.  If he can't and loses, then you will prove to be wrong, and we'll look back at this time and wish a change was made.  I don't care which path the dems take personally, except that they choose the right one. Given where they have maneuvered themselves with Biden, I have no confidence in their ability to navigate a straight line, let alone a winner takes all election.  We'll see.

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Posted
1 minute ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

Because the people voting for democrats want a better candidate and the people voting for republicans would sacrifice their children for Trump. 

 

Posted
1 minute ago, Rimbo said:

Honestly this highlights the idea that Biden should drop out and strengthens the case for Whitmer.

This is a national poll, so what % of the nation do you think even knows who she is at this point?  Yet she's tied with Trump and only 1 point behind the incumbent.  

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, hornmpa96 said:

I struggle with any poll that has Kennedy receiving greater than 3% of the vote. The last independent candidate to get that high of a percentage was Gary Johnson. 

Where do the people who are Kennedy voters in these polls actually end up?

It’s easy to be upset with Biden about Gaza or his age and tell a pollster that I’m pulling the lever for Kennedy. It’s a completely different thing to actually do it in the voting booth.

Most people in this country don't really have a vote for president that matters. So it's really easy to hold your nose and vote third party, even if the third party candidate can't hold his nose because too many crayons are jammed up it. The vote doesn't matter anyway, and they don't want to vote for the child rapist or the senile old man. They want to ensure they vote for a loser so it's not their fault.

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Bc this kind of thing has never happened I do think the message is from high above. The Powers That Be don’t want Biden. It also appears that TPTB do not want Kamala. As an independent the last couple of years (7 to be exact) I have always wanted an open convention. Get a chance to see more than just the one handpicked person and their handpicked VP. 
 

Today is more drip drip drip but with more stinging acid. It feels like a bigger shot across the bow to get him to step aside. I fear they are prepared to sink the whole Biden ship if he doesn’t. Ughhhhh

Posted
11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

These people who are pushing for Biden to step aside or even not showing up for events are not doing it out of some "good of the party" perspective, they are political animals trying to read the tea leaves and then position themselves for the next step in their careers.

How dare these political animals read the room and act in a way that positions them to have more favorable career options in the future.

What kind of political animals shun the sitting president over the vocal concerns of their constituents to choose another candidate. How dare they shove loyalty for the President aside for the will of the voters. 

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That wouldn't actually change anything about his position as the nominee. The whole Democratic Party needs to be united in wanting to rewrite their rules and remove him from the ticket.

20 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

After this the Dems either need to get behind him 100% or come at him 100%. It’s not going to be half speak word salad half measures. Dems on the Hill and all pundits need to frt the message. It’s no half measures. Be 100% united which just has to be the case. He’s not stepping down. 

You will getour word salad and you will like it.

19 hours ago, CTC2 said:

I get that the visual of Biden is sometimes hard to watch, but if you listen to him, and the command he has of the issues, and then compare that to anything Trump has ever said, I really don’t understand what we are even talking about anymore. 

He speaks like an elderly parent or grand parent who has a hard time getting their thoughts out. I feel bad for him. He is too old to be President, always has been (and I have always thought that), and he is now mortally wounded as a politician. I do not see how he comes back from this saga even as it will fade out of the news cycle next week.

Despite the fact that these name gaffes are being wildly overblown and he did show he still has substantive command of the job, this country does not have the luxury of letting him go down with the ship. He does not necessarily deserve to be pushed out but politics is a blood sport.

That said, I expect he will remain the nominee. Democrats are not going to unify on replacing him. I will vote for him, but my expectation is Trump wins 300+ EVs.

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You have one party that's completely unseriousness, running a bigoted felon who thinks windmills cause cancer.  While they're whipping up their base over bathrooms and drag queen story hour.

Meanwhile, the only party that is ostensibly serious about governing, is running someone who is rapidly losing the capability to govern.

You win by drawing a contrast to the clown car.  Frankly, at this point Biden isn't providing much to contrast with.  The party itself certainly isn't if they think installling an 82-year-old who appears to be in the beginning stages of dementia is a way to govern.

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Posted (edited)
20 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Bc this kind of thing has never happened I do think the message is from high above. The Powers That Be don’t want Biden. It also appears that TPTB do not want Kamala. As an independent the last couple of years (7 to be exact) I have always wanted an open convention. Get a chance to see more than just the one handpicked person and their handpicked VP. 
 

Today is more drip drip drip but with more stinging acid. It feels like a bigger shot across the bow to get him to step aside. I fear they are prepared to sink the whole Biden ship if he doesn’t. Ughhhhh

They weren’t “handpicked”. People voted for them.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

That wouldn't actually change anything about his position as the nominee. The whole Democratic Party needs to be united in wanting to rewrite their rules and remove him from the ticket.

You will getour word salad and you will like it.

He speaks like an elderly parent or grand parent who has a hard time getting their thoughts out. I feel bad for him. He is too old to be President, always has been (and I have always thought that), and he is now mortally wounded as a politician. I do not see how he comes back from this saga even as it will fade out of the news cycle next week.

Despite the fact that these name gaffes are being wildly overblown and he did show he still has substantive command of the job, this country does not have the luxury of letting him go down with the ship. He does not necessarily deserve to be pushed out but politics is a blood sport.

That said, I expect he will remain the nominee. Democrats are not going to unify on replacing him. I will vote for him, but my expectation is Trump wins 300+ EVs.

I don’t disagree but the prevailing thought that Biden is losing his mind and Trump is somehow cognitively healthy is more what I was pointing out.  

Posted
1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

They were “handpicked”. People voted for them.

I wonder what it would be like if we had more skin in the game. Have the conventions earlier in the year like April when nothing is really happening. Have an open convention with 5-6 candidates. Many people feel like the primaries don’t get it done. I don’t know.
 

But this drip drip drip drip attack against Biden can only mean one thing: no one from up high is telling them to stop and get behind Biden so it means more drip drip drip until he steps down. Jmo. But I don’t know shit about shit. 

Posted
22 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

As an independent the last couple of years (7 to be exact) I have always wanted an open convention. Get a chance to see more than just the one handpicked person and their handpicked VP. 

Why do you feel entitled to tell the Democratic Party who their nominee should be if you aren't even a Democrat?  Or that the Democratic Party should listen to your open convention idea if, again, you're not part of the party.

This is Nicole being Bernie - I am not going to be part of your party, but placate what I want!!!!! 

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How do the primaries “not get it done”? People vote, someone wins. 
Hes not stepping down so the drip is doing nothing but help Trump. It’s just an amazing example of shooting your dick off because you’re afraid that having one means you’ll get AIDS.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Why do you feel entitled to tell the Democratic Party who their nominee should be if you aren't even a Democrat?  Or that the Democratic Party should listen to your open convention idea if, again, you're not part of the party.

This is Nicole being Bernie - I am not going to be part of your party, but placate what I want!!!!! 

What do you expect from someone who may or may not be the Rainey Street Killer?

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Posted
Just now, South Austin said:

What do you expect from someone who may or may not be the Rainey Street Killer?

So I just made the list?

 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I wonder what it would be like if we had more skin in the game. Have the conventions earlier in the year like April when nothing is really happening. Have an open convention with 5-6 candidates. Many people feel like the primaries don’t get it done. I don’t know.

I have no idea what any of this means.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

How do the primaries “not get it done”? People vote, someone wins. 
Hes not stepping down so the drip is doing nothing but help Trump. It’s just an amazing example of shooting your dick off because you’re afraid that having one means you’ll get AIDS.

Or your dick currently has AIDS, but there is a procedure available to detach the AIDS dick and replace it with a younger, stronger, and more virile dick. 

 

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Posted
1 minute ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

I have no idea what any of this means.

In hindsight, yes, maybe someone should have challenged Biden in the primary.

But guess what?  Challenging an incumbent who, at the time, had an extremely strong approval amongst his party's constituents, is political suicide.  And would have just done what we are now, but earlier - fractured the party.  

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Why do you feel entitled to tell the Democratic Party who their nominee should be if you aren't even a Democrat?  Or that the Democratic Party should listen to your open convention idea if, again, you're not part of the party.

Probably because independents like her and me don't want Trump to be president again, but the Dems are currently fucking it up for all of us.

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