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48 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

What is the name of this Hail Mary?

Pete, Kamala, Gavin, Josh, Gretchen (Go Green Go White) there's a shitload and I realize it most certainly will be Kamala. 

Anyone who can address an abortion question by not pivoting to immigration. Anyone who can succinctly point out the structural barriers the republicans are building and want to build into democracy.  

Literally everyone one who was going to vote for Biden anyway will support them, literally everyone who was supporting Biden will be more energized by them, and literally every independent who is on the fence will think they are a better alternative than Biden.

Was my fantasy two years ago, is my fantasy now, and is only a fantasy.

 

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12 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Some of y’all need Jesus and a lesson on identifying fascist concern trolling. The quoted post is a prime example of the latter. 

Be on the lookout today for all the concern trolling and bot accounts spreading more disinformation. 

Biden is old/senile/not running the country
Watch out for the bait and switch for Newsom, Hillary, Pete, etc. - it was the DNC plan all along to keep legitimate challengers like Bernie from running
Project 2025 is overblown
Vote third party, it's the only way to end the duopoly and both parties are the same
Never would have been in this mess if everyone voted for Bernie in 2016, he'd be finishing up his second term

IGNORE IT! 

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I guess the way I look at this is as if we were playing for the national championship.  Quinn has taken us there, but he breaks his throwing hand before the championship. He's still a better quarterback than the other guy, and Texas is still embued with more cosmic goodness, and hasn't he won all the games until now?

But the betting odds drop since we've got no more passing game. Ohio State are still the scumbags they always were.

So are we not going to give Manning or ANY of the other reserve quarterbacks a chance?  And aren't our odds going to go up with all of those alternatives?

Are you disagreeing with the premise or are you just thinking we are all trolls for discussing it, because discussing it makes it worse?

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1 minute ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I guess the way I look at this is as if we were playing for the national championship.  Quinn has taken us there, but he breaks his throwing hand before the championship. He's still a better quarterback than the other guy, and Texas is still embued with more cosmic goodness, and hasn't he won all the games until now?

But the betting odds drop since we've got no more passing game. Ohio State are still the scumbags they always were.

So are we not going to give Manning or ANY of the other reserve quarterbacks a chance?  And aren't our odds going to go up with all of those alternatives?

Are you disagreeing with the premise or are you just thinking we are all trolls for discussing it, because discussing it makes it worse?

If you're talking about giving Manning a chance that's one thing. If you're talking about pulling a random guy out of the crowd who you've never seen throw a football because he looks pretty that's a completely different thing. 

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Or, you just watched a plane crash into a mountain. "Stay the course! We can still put the plane back together and get it flying."

No you can't. You need a new plane and a new pilot.

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

If you're talking about giving Manning a chance that's one thing. If you're talking about pulling a random guy out of the crowd who you've never seen throw a football because he looks pretty that's a completely different thing. 

And after the starter throws an interception early in the game. Massive overreactions still ongoing I see. 

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29 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Be on the lookout today for all the concern trolling and bot accounts spreading more disinformation. 

Biden is old/senile/not running the country
Watch out for the bait and switch for Newsom, Hillary, Pete, etc. - it was the DNC plan all along to keep legitimate challengers like Bernie from running
Project 2025 is overblown
Vote third party, it's the only way to end the duopoly and both parties are the same
Never would have been in this mess if everyone voted for Bernie in 2016, he'd be finishing up his second term

IGNORE IT! 

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I'd argue that your first point isn't disinformation, but aside from that, who are you talking to?

I haven't seen anyone here floating the idea that voting 3rd party is the answer, nor that Project 2025 is "overblown". 

As for Bernie, I do think Bernie would beaten Trump in 2016, because a lot of Bernie bros were just looking for change to the status quo, and ended up gravitating to Trump.  But I certainly don't think he was the best candidate the Dems could have run...IE he's older than Biden.

But sitting Presidents with June approval ratings under 40% haven't fared well historically...Biden is sitting at 37%.  

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Ignore it at your own peril.

Posted
17 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Or, you just watched a plane crash into a mountain. "Stay the course! We can still put the plane back together and get it flying."

No you can't. You need a new plane and a new pilot.

The pilot in this scenario is the decider.

So, yeah.

Posted
1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

But sitting Presidents with June approval ratings under 40% haven't fared well historically...Biden is sitting at 37%.  

Ignore it at your own peril.

It's not up to us. 

Posted
15 minutes ago, 'stache said:

And after the starter throws an interception early in the game. Massive overreactions still ongoing I see. 

If Quinn's completion percentage is sitting at 37% through early October with our WR corp, I'm definitely going to be calling for Manning to play against ou.

If that's overreacting, then so be it...

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57 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Some of y’all need Jesus and a lesson on identifying fascist concern trolling. The quoted post is a prime example of the latter. 

JFC this board gets dumber by the day.

Posted
2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It's not up to us. 

Hey man, if the play here is to go all Clayton Williams and lay back and enjoy fascism then let me know so I can start buying my MAGA gear to fit in.

Posted
21 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Wait, so who is the Matt Nordgren in this scenario?  

If Kamala can bounce pass a ball into the endzone to secure our future, I'm all for it. 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

If Quinn's completion percentage is sitting at 37% through early October with our WR corp, I'm definitely going to be calling for Manning to play against ou.

If that's overreacting, then so be it...

To be clear, you would prefer that Kamala Harris be the candidate? Because I don’t know how many who also want to replace Biden would agree with you, but I know many wouldn’t.

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

To be clear, you would prefer that Kamala Harris be the candidate? Because I don’t know how many who also want to replace Biden would agree with you, but I know many wouldn’t.

Asked and answered... I want Gretchen.  

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Posted
6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Hey man, if the play here is to go all Clayton Williams and lay back and enjoy fascism then let me know so I can start buying my MAGA gear to fit in.

Hey man, do you have a plan to convince Joe Biden to stand down?

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3 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Asked and answered... I want Gretchen.  

I honestly don't know much about her, other than that the magats in her state tried to have her killed.  What makes her so great?

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3 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Funny how that happened when you resumed posting here.

When you have your meltdown on election night wondering how the F this happened, just don't forget those you label a 'fascist' for having the audacity to tell you it was going to happen if he's not replaced.  Douchebag.

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1 minute ago, Skipper said:

When you have your meltdown on election night wondering how the F this happened, just don't forget those you label a 'fascist' for having the audacity to tell you it was going to happen if he's not replaced.  Douchebag.

How do you replace him if he doesn't want to be replaced?

That's what we're dealing with. It's a massive problem.

Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

How do you replace him if he doesn't want to be replaced?

That's what we're dealing with. It's a massive problem.

Someone should be working overtime to convince him and frankly to convince Newsome to risk what is probably a much easier path in '28.  It's a terrible situation but it's the hand they were dealt by not making a tough decision 18 months ago (assuming this steep decline was recognized within his inner circle).  As it stands now, Trump is going to win barring a miracle (death, incapacity or somehow an even worse cognitive decline moment).   

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It's Biden or Kamala Harris. Stop being idiots. There is no outside option from the existing ticket, it's entirely too late and the power of the incumbent office is not something you can just toss aside. 

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1 minute ago, immamac said:

It's Biden or Kamala Harris. Stop being idiots. There is no outside option from the existing ticket, it's entirely too late and the power of the incumbent office is not something you can just toss aside. 

You forgot to mention Oprah.  I believe she is next in line after Biden.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

You forgot to mention Oprah.  I believe she is next in line after Biden.

Oprah and Michelle have to thunderdome it 

Posted
12 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Someone should be working overtime to convince him and frankly to convince Newsome to risk what is probably a much easier path in '28.  It's a terrible situation but it's the hand they were dealt by not making a tough decision 18 months ago (assuming this steep decline was recognized within his inner circle).  As it stands now, Trump is going to win barring a miracle (death, incapacity or somehow an even worse cognitive decline moment).   

I'll ask again, who are you voting for? You have a habit of dropping in here every few months to lecture the posters of Surly on how the Democratic party should be doing things. I assume its because you're a passionate Dem?

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4 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

You forgot to mention Oprah.  I believe she is next in line after Biden.

 

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oprah and Michelle have to thunderdome it 

Swift / Kelce '24

No Travis. Jason.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I'll ask again, who are you voting for? You have a habit of dropping in here every few months to lecture the posters of Surly on how the Democratic party should be doing things. I assume its because you're a passionate Dem?

I'll reluctantly vote for Biden only because it's Trump.  I would have voted for Haley or certainly a Romney over this version of Biden in an alternate universe.   I don't think Biden is fit for another term after the debate debacle.   I'm voting for him solely because his "team" has done a decent job but another term would basically be the equivalent Otto and Alicent running everything for Viserys at the end of Season 1 of House of the Dragon (for those that watched).   The Republican party is a lost cause and a threat to democracy.  I'm critical of the Dems because it was up to them to strategize a way to keep power and it appears they have blown it. 

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1 minute ago, Skipper said:

I'll reluctantly vote for Biden only because it's Trump.  I would have voted for Haley or certainly a Romney over this version of Biden in an alternate universe.   I don't think Biden is fit for another term after the debate debacle.   I'm voting for him solely because his "team" has done a decent job but another term would basically be the equivalent Otto and Alicent running everything for Viserys at the end of Season 1 of House of the Dragon (for those that watched).   The Republican party is a lost cause and a threat to democracy.  I'm critical of the Dems because it was up to them to strategize a way to keep power and it appears they have blown it. 

Joe Biden should have never been the nominee in 2020. That's how we got here.

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I'd like to think it was at all possible for him to do something that any normal human would do, like go on some latenight show for a sit down or do a face to face with some anchor for 30 minutes.  That'd reset the news cycle.  But there's a reason he hasn't been doing those up to now.  

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15 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Joe Biden should have never been the nominee in 2020. That's how we got here.

He was relatively fine in 2020 and I think at the time the best shot at beating Trump.  Look at debate footage from 2020 compared to last night.  It is night and day.  I mean it's not surprising to see that level of cognitive decline. He's old and it is natural.  But do we really think signs weren't there to his inner circle for the past 18 months?  

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20 minutes ago, Skipper said:

I'll reluctantly vote for Biden only because it's Trump.  I would have voted for Haley or certainly a Romney over this version of Biden in an alternate universe.   I don't think Biden is fit for another term after the debate debacle.   I'm voting for him solely because his "team" has done a decent job but another term would basically be the equivalent Otto and Alicent running everything for Viserys at the end of Season 1 of House of the Dragon (for those that watched).   The Republican party is a lost cause and a threat to democracy.  I'm critical of the Dems because it was up to them to strategize a way to keep power and it appears they have blown it. 

Appreciate it. I think criticism of Biden and Dems is perfectly reasonable. 

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1 minute ago, Skipper said:

He was relatively fine in 2020 and I think at the time the best shot at beating Trump.  Look at debate footage from 2020 compared to last night.  It is night and day.  I mean it's not surprising to see that level of cognitive decline. He's old and it is natural.  But do we really think signs weren't there to his inner circle for the past 18 months?  

The point is, this problem was completely foreseeable.

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23 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Joe Biden should have never been the nominee in 2020. That's how we got here.

He was the best way to extract the malignant tumor that was Donald Trump.  Then the Democratic Party had four years of sitting in the chemo chair to come up with a way to get healthy again, and fucked it all up.  

Party in-fighting this close to the convention is not a great look, but neither is Joe.  Anything, anything at all to defeat Trump is all that matters.  If that means Newsom takes one for the team, or Joe snorts an 8-ball before his acceptance speech and dies in late January, or Pete has to eat some pussy to look masculine...whatever the fuck it takes.  

The calendar of trials and grifts, as I've said, is slowly killing Trump.  But the calendar is eerily hanging over Biden.  Not age, but in terms of when to make a move to protect the Republic.  

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Just now, YGIFS said:

He was the best way to extract the malignant tumor that was Donald Trump.  Then the Democratic Party had four years of sitting in the chemo chair to come up with a way to get healthy again, and fucked it all up.  

How were they supposed to do that?

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

If you're talking about giving Manning a chance that's one thing. If you're talking about pulling a random guy out of the crowd who you've never seen throw a football because he looks pretty that's a completely different thing. 

aggy gonna sue

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Posted
2 hours ago, Js1 said:

Be on the lookout today for all the concern trolling and bot accounts spreading more disinformation. 

Biden is old/senile/not running the country
Watch out for the bait and switch for Newsom, Hillary, Pete, etc. - it was the DNC plan all along to keep legitimate challengers like Bernie from running
Project 2025 is overblown
Vote third party, it's the only way to end the duopoly and both parties are the same
Never would have been in this mess if everyone voted for Bernie in 2016, he'd be finishing up his second term

IGNORE IT! 

Parks And Rec Spinning GIF

 

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Posted
33 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I'd like to think it was at all possible for him to do something that any normal human would do, like go on some latenight show for a sit down or do a face to face with some anchor for 30 minutes.  That'd reset the news cycle.  But there's a reason he hasn't been doing those up to now.  

He did that interview with Howard Stern. That was a month ago.

 

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1 hour ago, Skipper said:

I'll reluctantly vote for Biden only because it's Trump.  I would have voted for Haley or certainly a Romney over this version of Biden in an alternate universe.   I don't think Biden is fit for another term after the debate debacle.   I'm voting for him solely because his "team" has done a decent job but another term would basically be the equivalent Otto and Alicent running everything for Viserys at the end of Season 1 of House of the Dragon (for those that watched).   The Republican party is a lost cause and a threat to democracy.  I'm critical of the Dems because it was up to them to strategize a way to keep power and it appears they have blown it. 

How do you square these?

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17 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

He did that interview with Howard Stern. That was a month ago.

 

Yeah, but no one is even aware that occurred.  I know we talked about how Stern has a big base, but it certainly didn't cross over to the rest of society.

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16 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

How do you square these?

The key phrase was "in an alternate universe".  Meaning an alternate universe where someone like Romney is the Republican nominee.  In that alternate universe, the Republican party is not a lost cause and a threat to democracy.  Instead, we have the party of Trump which doesn't remotely resemble the Republican party pre-Trump.

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2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I honestly don't know much about her, other than that the magats in her state tried to have her killed.  What makes her so great?

This is one of the points I like about her... she knows how crazy MAGA is and will act accordingly.

She's also the Governor of a purple state, with high approval ratings, a growing economy, and has shown the ability to get things done in a divided congress (only 2-person dem advantage in both lower and upper houses).

She's also a good communicator, and I think she would resonate with union members, suburban women, minorities (Michigan is 15.8% African-American... Texas is 12.2% by comparison), and Muslims (2.4% of Michigan pop.).

Finally, unlike Newsome and Pritzker, her reputation hasn't been dragged through the mud by the right...

 

2 hours ago, immamac said:

It's Biden or Kamala Harris. Stop being idiots. There is no outside option from the existing ticket, it's entirely too late and the power of the incumbent office is not something you can just toss aside. 

2012 called and they want their antiquated thinking back.

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I'll vote for whoever against Trump. Biden could die and they could run him with some kind of Weekend-at-Bernie's-esque scheme, and I'd vote for his corpse.

Unfortunately I live in Texas, so it doesn't actually matter what I vote.

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4 minutes ago, Hawndoh said:

I'll vote for whoever against Trump. Biden could die and they could run him with some kind of Weekend-at-Bernie's-esque scheme, and I'd vote for his corpse.

Unfortunately I live in Texas, so it doesn't actually matter what I vote.

This is the problem.  I would vote for an old, smelly jock strap over Trump, but I also live in Texas.

My fear stems from friends I've talked to since the debate, who are so disappointed by the choice between Biden and Trump that they are almost out of fucks to give.  One told me he's almost rooting for Trump because he's what America deserves.  These are normally Dem voters, but they have no enthusiasm for Biden.  Frankly, I don't either, but I'm at least planning to vote for him.



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