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11 minutes ago, Captain Obvious said:

There will never be a line in the sand.  Trump's 1st term provided more than enough evidence that he's completely unfit for office.  The "undecided" voters will continue to do whatever mental gymnastics necessary to justify voting for Trump/3rd party until the country/world no longer exists.

Well, then give up.

 

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8 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

51mm people turned on the debate, and the majority of the those already wondered if Joe Biden could still do the job. Now they know he can’t. There is no coming back from this and no historical analogy applies.  He could go dap somebody at every Waffle House in America every day between now and November and it won’t change the fact that independent voters in 5 key states will not come his way, period. The window to change minds is closed. It‘s plan B or plan T.

And so the other option is voting for Trump who if elected won’t do the job because he doesn’t know how to or doesn’t really care to. He will just spend his time getting back at anyone he doesn’t like, getting the US out of NATO to help his buddy Putin and doing a major con on the American people. And he’ll spend the next four years trying to get Congress and the Supreme Court to allow him to never leave office.  

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4 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

What did you see? Not being argumentative btw. 
What I saw was 10 mins of what the fuck is this guy trying to say. And it was concerning. After that I saw Joe Biden being old. And it was softer in tone than he has been.
I didn’t see a guy who was senile or didn’t have a grasp of what was going on. I didn’t see a guy who had no understanding of what the issues are. I also saw him go after Donald pretty effectively once he got off of talking point and started winging it.
Basically my point is a I saw an old guy, not a mentally incapacitated one. 
Not to be crass but I don’t really care if he’s old and dies in office so long as he’s alive long enough to win. Nothing before, during, or after the debate makes me think he’s on the verge of death.

Two things can be true at once. Everything you just wrote is true and yes, seeing it in that context was stark. 
 

Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Well, then give up.

 

There's no need to give up, but waiting for some magical line in the sand via something Trump says or does to turn off the undecided voters or some of his base is past wishful thinking at this point.

The hope is that the Dems figure out their own line in the sand to get the fence sitters to move towards their camp whether that be Biden stepping down, or Biden stringing together a town hall and some live interviews where he can at least look/sound lucid the whole time.

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And so the other option is voting for Trump who if elected won’t do the job because he doesn’t know how to or doesn’t really care to. He will just spend his time getting back at anyone he doesn’t like, getting the US out of NATO to help his buddy Putin and doing a major con on the American people. And he’ll spend the next four years trying to get Congress and the Supreme Court to allow him to never leave office.  

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3 hours ago, Firemans4Horn said:


there isn’t one person that watched Fox News nightly that is voting for a dem president. Why the fuck should the democrats be running candidates that “haven’t been polluted by Fox News/newsmax/youtubeNaziguy”

This really fucks with my brain.  I see what I think are perfectly normal black folks - older and pleasant like most of my patients - watching FoxNews every time I see them.  I can’t wrap my head around these people all getting behind trump but I think that has to be the case.  And don’t get my started on the Hispanics.  We sooo fucked.  

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29 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

This really fucks with my brain.  I see what I think are perfectly normal black folks - older and pleasant like most of my patients - watching FoxNews every time I see them.  I can’t wrap my head around these people all getting behind trump but I think that has to be the case.  And don’t get my started on the Hispanics.  We sooo fucked.  

The same phenomenon showed up this year when season 4 of The Boys came out. MAGAts suddenly realized they were being skewered. For 3 seasons of relentless lampooning of the right, our lemming neighbors somehow loved the show. Unfortunately, I doubt there will be a politics equivalent to the season 4 Trumpkin entertainment awakening.

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I just tried to catchup on a week's worth of posts in this thread. What have I learned? Not a g-damned thing. Except for maybe:

Donald Trump Politics GIF by BuzzFeed
 

A few years ago there was no way in hell I thought we would seriously be about to elect the Cheeto dusted felon again. Here we are.

Fuck.

Posted
12 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

He is too old. He's not incompetent. He's not prone to damage the republic. He gives a shit.

The only question is which candidate is better for the country in the role of president. The choice between these two men is the easiest in any election ever. It's crazy.

I think this is the argument many see for having him step aside.  Why not take his big issue of age/competence away and put someone up with isn't too old, isn't incompetent and isn't prone to damage the republic. Someone who can also energize the base to get out and vote.  With Trump on the other side there should be no downside to do so.

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Just now, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I think this is the argument many see for having him step aside.  Why not take his big issue of age/competence away and put someone up with isn't too old, isn't incompetent and isn't prone to damage the republic. Someone who can also energize the base to get out and vote.  With Trump on the other side there should be no downside to do so.

Poor reactionary strategy. Only going to be setup for failure especially this close to election. If this was the strategy it should have been put in place well over a year ago

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7 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

This really fucks with my brain.  I see what I think are perfectly normal black folks - older and pleasant like most of my patients - watching FoxNews every time I see them.  I can’t wrap my head around these people all getting behind trump but I think that has to be the case.  And don’t get my started on the Hispanics.  We sooo fucked.  

Shit I think Don carried a couple of south Texas counties last election. 

Posted
12 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Poor reactionary strategy. Only going to be setup for failure especially this close to election. If this was the strategy it should have been put in place well over a year ago

This is emblematic of an opinion which I don’t think there’s any evidence to support, and that’s “if Harris or whoever had been campaigning a year ago the ultimate result would be better.”

If Biden withdraws you’re going to see an unprecedented amount of media attention in a short span of time and I think in this particular case, it won’t hurt at all to have only been on the trail a couple of months.  

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If they do make a change, Mark Kelly sure seems like an obvious choice for VP.

 

A Harris/Kelly ticket almost certainly wins AZ and probably wins GA due to Harris juicing black turnout in Atlanta.  That makes PA decide the election which I think heavily favors Dems.

A Whitmer/Kelly ticket almost certainly wins MI and AZ.  Same deal, PA decides the election.

I think Biden currently projects to lose GA, AZ, WI, and NV, and PA and MI are toss-ups.

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17 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

If they do make a change, Mark Kelly sure seems like an obvious choice for VP.

 

A Harris/Kelly ticket almost certainly wins AZ and probably wins GA due to Harris juicing black turnout in Atlanta.  That makes PA decide the election which I think heavily favors Dems.

A Whitmer/Kelly ticket almost certainly wins MI and AZ.  Same deal, PA decides the election.

I think Biden currently projects to lose GA, AZ, WI, and NV, and PA and MI are toss-ups.

Virginia leaning our way?

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1 hour ago, LCHorn said:

If Biden withdraws you’re going to see an unprecedented amount of media attention in a short span of time and I think in this particular case, it won’t hurt at all to have only been on the trail a couple of months.  

bingo - it potentially sucks the oxygen out of the atmosphere

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Looks like jd Vance’s minions have been out there trashing burgum for the last 24-48 hours.

 

Also, it’d be wise to get some polling on a Harris/_________ ticket to see what the public thinks. If it’s her, her VP is definitely going to be a White man which it should be. NBC news is reporting Kamala’s allies are strategizing just in case Biden throws up the deuces. 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Poor reactionary strategy. Only going to be setup for failure especially this close to election. If this was the strategy it should have been put in place well over a year ago

The best strategy IMO is one that is more likely to get the most people out to vote. Energy, enthusiasm and excitement is what's needed and what's currently missing.  There is zero sign that is going to improve going forward with Biden. All signs currently point to another setback.

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Yeah you posted that already. We get it, you don’t like her. Good thing you’re the second biggest idiot on this board behind our silver chain hero of the Valley

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Serious question, what does that mean? "What can be unburdened by what has been." It must make sense considering the frequency with which she uses it but I'm honestly at a lost.

My concerns with Kamala is he presidential campaign was a disaster and she's been ineffective in the VP slot even in the VP type things. Remember when she was put in charge of the border crisis?

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THAT'S RACIST!

So Trump found ~20mm rarely/never voters to come out to support him in 2016 & 2020 because, according to many of this forum, we had previously elected a Black President?  I have that right?  That's what many of you said over and over again for 8 fucking years.  

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I don't think, everything being equal, that she would be anyone's first choice. There is an enormous gulf in political skills between her and Whitmer, Newsom, Shapiro, Pete, etc. 

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11 minutes ago, horncyclist said:

Serious question, what does that mean? "What can be unburdened by what has been." It must make sense considering the frequency with which she uses it but I'm honestly at a lost.

My concerns with Kamala is he presidential campaign was a disaster and she's been ineffective in the VP slot even in the VP type things. Remember when she was put in charge of the border crisis?

She didn't even visit the border for months. Highly ineffective 

 

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3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I don't think, everything being equal, that she would be anyone's first choice. There is an enormous gulf in political skills between her and Whitmer, Newsom, Shapiro, Pete, etc. 

of course not. But she’s already the #2, she’s been vetted nationally both in the 2020 primary and as VP and she’d inherit the boots on the ground infrastructure and war chest. 

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Posted
17 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Yeah you posted that already. We get it, you don’t like her. Good thing you’re the second biggest idiot on this board behind our silver chain hero of the Valley

Are you talking about me? 

Posted
2 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

No Democrat is dumber than Trump. Literally none. 

At least none of the ones that are the standard bearer of the party. Some real morons in the House but they aren’t even considered presidential material, unlike Trump, who commands the fealty of the entire party. 

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3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

At least none of the ones that are the standard bearer of the party. Some real morons in the House but they aren’t even considered presidential material, unlike Trump, who commands the fealty of the entire party. 

Gonna need to hear someone suggest we inject disinfectant to fight a virus or assert that the sound of windmills causes cancer. Have any of them done that?

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24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

of course not. But she’s already the #2, she’s been vetted nationally both in the 2020 primary and as VP and she’d inherit the boots on the ground infrastructure and war chest. 

But that 2020 primary campaign was a disaster. Not sure how broad of vetting you mean but she was not an effective campaigner and it's not clear she would be now. I also dont like the idea of Biden or insiders anointing her. Have a process, let her prove herself in some kind of mini primary or have others present a more compelling option. There are risks with that process but I think Kamala is a known risk that's probably greater.

2 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Tom fitton hearing Biden will resign Monday.  

Resign or drop out?



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