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1 hour ago, ConferenceRoom said:

Tojo was the asshole, anyway. 

They all were, the emperor getting away with it was a mistake, but by then the cold war had started.

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6 hours ago, Jatrain said:

Actually, his full name is Adolfo Benito Franco.  

Couldn't they find Admiral Horthy Salazar de Schuschnigg?

(Kurt Schuschnigg of course being an original member of the Leopards Eating Peoples' Faces Party....)

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5 hours ago, tx ind said:

Infuriating that the media waits until under 3 weeks until the election to bring up dotard's mental acuity.

Infuriating, yes, but perhaps accidentally, advantageous timing.  If they start hammering on this 2.5 weeks before election day, it might peal a few thousand swing state votes away.  

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11 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Silent Trump voters in 2016 surprised most of us  and he won the election. 

I am optimistic there's a significant number of silent Anti-Trump voters who will help make sure he never sees the Oval Office again. 

 

 

 

I'd be willing to bet that a bunch of voters were so turned off by the candidates that they weren't really silent, but didn't make a decision until they actually pulled the lever.  Same reason Gary Johnson caught a lot of votes.

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10 hours ago, Js1 said:

Um it’s big crypto money (and foreign money) betting on Trump and then believing he’s now the favorite, or trying to convince people he’s the favorite.  Do you think the average Democrat is betting on politics?

Betting markets for elections are so fucking stupid.  

I mean, bettors make stupid bets most of the time.  But sports bets are less stupid than political bets.  A moron can gather information on a sports team by watching them and by paying attention to injury reports.

None of them know shit about elections and those that do aren't likely betting.

The other possibility is that bettors represent the electorate, if there are enough of them.  There aren't.

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47 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'd be willing to bet that a bunch of voters were so turned off by the candidates that they weren't really silent, but didn't make a decision until they actually pulled the lever.  Same reason Gary Johnson caught a lot of votes.

Yes. 2016 saw the largest third party candidate performance since Ross Perot in 1992. In 2016, I was in Texas and I voted Gary Johnson for three reasons. First, no way in fucking hell I was voting for Trump. Second, I had my own issues with Hillary that had everything to do with my own interpretation of her lack of self respect staying with a husband that repeatedly cheated on her. And third, I knew Texas would go Red (even if every third party voter in Texas voted for Hillary, it would not have been enough to swing Texas in 2016), so my vote was always just a protest vote. I really was apathetic to both choices we had, so I went with the third option. 

 

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1 hour ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Yes. 2016 saw the largest third party candidate performance since Ross Perot in 1992. In 2016, I was in Texas and I voted Gary Johnson for three reasons. First, no way in fucking hell I was voting for Trump. Second, I had my own issues with Hillary that had everything to do with my own interpretation of her lack of self respect staying with a husband that repeatedly cheated on her. And third, I knew Texas would go Red (even if every third party voter in Texas voted for Hillary, it would not have been enough to swing Texas in 2016), so my vote was always just a protest vote. I really was apathetic to both choices we had, so I went with the third option. 

 

Misogyny or propaganda, that was my fundamental issue with Hillary. Everything about her seemed to be calculated to accrue power. She was like a lifetime politician that never held office until Bill was done. 

I admit to a certain naivete and idealism in this respect.  But I distrusted Biden and Harris for similar reasons.  And Grassley and the list goes on.

ETA: I was fully ready to write in one of my cats in 2016, until I found out Texas doesn't permit write-ins.  Gizmo would have made an excellent President.

 

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11 hours ago, bluto said:

Siap been out today and this thread moves fast…

on the not great news front Ralston is starting his deep dive on Nevada and thinks Harris is in danger based on shrinking dem adv in registration. He’s currently saying Harris needs to win independents by 3 pts, Biden won em by 6 for reference. 

That shrinking Dem reg advantage got a massive shot in the arm back in July, and those new registrants are going to vote bigly for Kamala.

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Yes. 2016 saw the largest third party candidate performance since Ross Perot in 1992. In 2016, I was in Texas and I voted Gary Johnson for three reasons. First, no way in fucking hell I was voting for Trump. Second, I had my own issues with Hillary that had everything to do with my own interpretation of her lack of self respect staying with a husband that repeatedly cheated on her. And third, I knew Texas would go Red (even if every third party voter in Texas voted for Hillary, it would not have been enough to swing Texas in 2016), so my vote was always just a protest vote. I really was apathetic to both choices we had, so I went with the third option. 
 

Hi. This was me. The Democrats could have run ANYONE other than Clinton and I think they would have won. We had 40 years of a Bush / Clinton in higher place of Government. Trump was a hell no. The pot smoking mountain climber seemed like an OK choice.
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48 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Politico: turnip advisor says he’s “exhausted” and refusing some interviews.

 

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/10/18/trumps-media-backout-00184324?nname=playbook&nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nrid=0000014e-f0fd-dd93-ad7f-f8fde5bf0000&nlid=630318

 

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NO SHADE — Recently, it’s become something of a pattern: Trump is scheduled for an interview with a neutral media outlet, the date nears and then … things fall apart.

It happened just this week to planned Trump sit-downs with NBC in Philadelphia and CNBC’s “Squawk Box” — and that’s on the heels of him backing out of a “60 Minutes” episode earlier this month.

Why does this keep happening? Playbook has learned that yet another outlet was given an explanation by Trump’s team for why their own interview wasn’t coming to fruition: exhaustion.

The Trump campaign had been in conversations for weeks with The Shade Room about a sit-down interview. The site, which draws an audience that is largely young and Black, hosted an interview with Harris just last week.

 

 

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But as no interview materialized, Shade Room staff began feeling that feet were being dragged inside Trump’s campaign. No date was ever set, we’re told, but the intention was to try and work toward a sit-down.

In a conversation earlier this week, when describing why an interview hadn’t come together just yet, a Trump adviser told The Shade Room producers that Trump was “exhausted and refusing [some] interviews but that could change” at any time, according to two people familiar with the conversations.

To make up for a lack of a Trump interview this close to the election, those two people say Trump-supporting rapper WAKA FLOCKA FLAME was offered up as an alternative.

 

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Trump’s national press secretary KAROLINE LEAVITT, while making clear she wasn’t part of the back and forth for The Shade Room interview, told Playbook last night that the idea that Trump was exhausted “is unequivocally false.”

“President Trump is running laps around Kamala Harris on the campaign trail,” Leavitt said. “And has done media interviews every day this week. He has more energy and a harder work ethic than anyone in politics.”

Trump’s team points out that he has constantly done interviews — which is fair, but we’d hasten to add that many of them are with friendly hosts or on friendly networks.

 

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As for the one contentious interview he did this week, with Bloomberg editor-in-chief John Micklethwait, Trump later complained that he was “hoodwinked to go on that. I was supposed to make a speech in front of the Chicago Economic Club, which is a big deal. It’s a very prestigious place, everything was beautiful. And all of a sudden I understand I’m being interviewed by this gentleman and he’s got a reputation.”

As you can imagine, the Trump team had some more major pushback for the aforementioned canceled interviews:

CBS’ “60 Minutes”: The campaign still maintains that the newsmagazine’s live fact-checking was “inappropriate and unnecessary” and stands by pulling out.

CNBC’s “Squawk Box”: A campaign official told us last night that a campaign adviser leading the conversations with CNBC was a “little too hot to try to commit, not realizing that we were adding a full day in Michigan on the calendar, which of course is taking place tomorrow.” (We’d note that Trump will be doing “Fox and Friends” this morning just blocks away from where CNBC shoots.)

The NBC interview: The official told us that “NBC was supposed to be a walk and talk at a retail engagement. We were running behind. … So unfortunately, it was removed from the calendar.” 

As for the notion that Trump is canceling media appearances? “That’s B.S.,” says Leavitt. “President Trump has never backed down from any interview. This is a man who held a CNN town hall in the middle of the Republican primary, for goodness’ sake.”

 

 

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12 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I think a more telling sign that the Orange Cunt is run down, is when was the last time we saw his fat ass play golf?  He'll blow off "work" in a heartbeat, but golf is the only activity he seems to like. 

 

Couple of reasons; the would be shooter hiding on his course scared him, and the SS told him they could not ensure his safety so he was asked to lay off until after the election:

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trump-golf-election-rcna174834

 

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Former President Donald Trump has not played golf since an apparent assassination attempt near one of his courses on Sept. 15, and he will not do so until after the election, according to a person close to the campaign and another person familiar with the situation. 

 

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A third person familiar with the conversations said Trump was told that federal agents could not ensure his safety to a degree that they were comfortable with if he were to play. The concerns were conveyed in two conversations with Trump since the September incident: one with Ronald Rowe, the acting director of the Secret Service, and the other with officials from the national intelligence director’s office. 

 

 

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Trump had asked Rowe during a meeting last month whether it would be safe for him to continue golfing in the wake of the thwarted assassination attempt, and he was told he would need significant additional security given the proximity of some of his courses to public roads, The New York Times reported last month, citing information from three people familiar with their conversation. 

 

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Rumors the Trump campaign is going to do a late October town hall with Haley

Aka, oh holy fuck I am bleeding suburban female support and moderate Republicans more than I thought 

Nothing like a late October attempt to win back voters of key demographics at the last minute. Definitely doesn’t stink of desperation and shit filled diapers 

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You are the press. You tell me the answer.

Although, I will note that CNN.com and now this news website call the clear shots (Trump lies not distorts or misstates) better than their motherships.

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Harris continues to hold the momentum with 18 days to go.  There’s very little chance any economic news will come out that will reverse the momentum.  The odds of a Trump health issue are far greater than the odds of a Harris health issue.  The only things I can think of that will fuck this up are major geopolitical violence (Russia or Iran firing off a nuke, a terrorist attack in the US, anything that requires a large number of US boots on the ground) or some kind of crime/scandal (Harris infidelity, a sex tape, insider trading, etc.).  It’s fucked up that the things we already know Trump has done (grifting, lying, defrauding, raping, cheating on his spouse) that didn’t impact his candidacy at all would totally sink Harris.  But barring something catastrophic, to me there’s higher odds of a Harris landslide than a Trump victory of any kind.

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UT poll:

Trump 51, Harris 46

First time in a long time they show Cruz above 50 and Allred behind Harris, 51-44

I’d almost buy those results being flipped by accident but there they are 

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Also Emerson has Harris +1 and yet

Made up their mind a month ago - Trump +4

in the last month - Harris +16

in the last week - Harris +38

undecided still - Harris +6

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Look everyone, the NYT decides today is the day to bring up Trump's mental fitness:

 

Trump’s Meandering Speeches Motivate His Critics and Worry His Allies

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/us/politics/trump-rally-speeches.html

 

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In the final weeks of the 2020 election, President Donald J. Trump’s campaign surveyed likely voters in swing states about what political messages stuck with them.

Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s message, these voters said, centered on how Mr. Trump mishandled the coronavirus pandemic and was unfit for office. But for Mr. Trump, those surveyed echoed more than a dozen different messages, including his false claims about the virus, his third Supreme Court nomination and complaints that he deserved a Nobel Peace Prize. Just 3 percent of the voters recalled something specific Mr. Trump had said about Mr. Biden.

 

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Now, some Trump advisers and allies say privately they are concerned that the dynamic may be repeating itself four years later. They worry that Mr. Trump’s impetuousness and scattershot style on the campaign trail needlessly risk victory in battleground states where the margin for error is increasingly narrow.

At a time when his opponent, Vice President Kamala Harris, has stepped up her attacks on him as “unstable,” Mr. Trump has struggled to publicly hone his message by veering off script and ramping up personal attacks on Ms. Harris that allies have urged him to rein in.

 

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“When he’s good, he’s great, and when he’s off message, he’s not so great,” said David Urban, a Trump adviser. “I don’t think anyone is really changing their mind at this point, but when he distracts from his biggest, broadest messaging, it’s counterproductive because the Harris campaign uses it to turn out their voters.”

During a speech on Saturday in California, he described mail-in ballots as “so corrupt,” reviving one of his false attacks on the 2020 election results, and did a play-by-play of his internal thoughts when he watched SpaceX, Elon Musk’s spaceflight company, fly a rocket back onto its launch site.

 

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On Sunday, in response to a question on Fox News about the possibility of foreign adversaries’ meddling in the election, he reverted to autocratic language by saying “the bigger problem is the enemy from within.” On Monday, he halted a town-hall event in suburban Philadelphia after five questions when two people in the crowd needed medical attention. He spent roughly the next half-hour playing D.J., swaying and grooving in front of his crowd to a playlist he curated from the stage. “Let’s just listen to music,” he said.

Last week, he canceled a CBS interview on “60 Minutes,” in which he and Ms. Harris were both scheduled to appear — and has not stopped talking about it. He complained about it during events in Detroit and Reno, Nev., and again on Monday in a social media post at 1:12 a.m.

At the Economic Club of Chicago on Tuesday, he answered a question about whether he would break up Google by complaining about a Justice Department lawsuit against Virginia election officials. When he was reminded the question was about Google, he said he “called the head of Google the other day” to grouse about the difficulty of finding positive news stories about his campaign on the company’s search page.

During the same event, Mr. Trump suggested his digressions were part of a communication strategy when his interviewer tried to focus on a question.

“You’ve got to be able to finish a thought because it’s very important,” Mr. Trump told the interviewer, John Micklethwait, the editor in chief of Bloomberg News. “This is big stuff we’re talking about. You can’t go that quickly.”

Mr. Micklethwait pointed out that Mr. Trump had started talking about reserve currency and then moved to a story about President Emmanuel Macron of France, among other digressions. “It’s called ‘the weave,’” Mr. Trump said, using a phrase he often uses to describe his speaking style, as he waved his hand in front of him to suggest he was connecting various dots.

Ms. Harris and her campaign have gone on the offensive by using Mr. Trump’s rambling against him, attacking him in ads, in speeches on the campaign trail and in interviews.

Internal Harris campaign research showed that one of the most effective ways to persuade voters to support the vice president was by portraying Mr. Trump as unstable and Ms. Harris as a steady leader who would strengthen America’s security, according to two Harris officials who insisted on anonymity to describe private data.

In the past two weeks, the Harris campaign has flooded the airwaves in battleground states with a pair of television ads to underscore these themes. One spot features warnings from Mr. Trump’s former top defense officials to paint him as “too big of a risk.” Another features endorsements for Ms. Harris from a bipartisan group of national security officials.

“Even former Trump administration officials agree there’s only one candidate fit to lead our nation — and that’s Kamala Harris,” the narrator says.

The Harris campaign criticized Mr. Trump’s appearance at the Economic Club of Chicago, saying he displayed “unstable behavior” and was “angry and unfocused as he rambled on and on.”

“No one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump,” Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, said on Monday at a campaign event in Wisconsin.

Ms. Harris said the former president was “quite unstable and unfit” during an interview on Monday with The Shade Room, a digital entertainment publication. In a second interview that day with the independent Black journalist Roland Martin, Ms. Harris pointed to Mr. Trump’s false claims that Haitian migrants were eating their neighbors’ pets.

“This man is dangerous,” she said.

Anna Kelly, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, which is supporting the Trump campaign, said Mr. Trump’s “message is clear and consistent: President Trump’s agenda for America’s working men and women will fix our broken economy to lower costs and secure the border to make our communities safe.” 

In Prescott Valley, Ariz., on Sunday, Mr. Trump’s scripted remarks hewed tightly to the anti-immigration message that has become central to his campaign. He stayed on track for the first half-hour of the event before taking a more scenic route to the finish.

After about 25 minutes, he told the crowd he wanted to tell “one quick story” about a friend with a car plant in Mexico.

But he never finished his tale. Instead, he lost the thread one minute later as he complained that if he mispronounced one word he would be accused of being “cognitively impaired.” Then, he botched the phrase by saying President Biden was the one who was “cognitively repaired” and referred to the election as three and a half months away, not three and a half weeks.

About 20 minutes later, Mr. Trump seemed ready to wrap up his speech. He promised the crowd would see him again soon and said he was thinking about residents on the East Coast suffering after the recent storms.

“So in closing,” Mr. Trump continued, “I just want to say Kamala Harris is a radical left Marxist rated even worse than Bernie Sanders or Pocahontas.”

He proceeded to speak for 17 more minutes.

 

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Harris’s Harsh Takedown of Fox’s Bret Baier Exposes MAGA’s Biggest Lie For 10 years, Fox has built a fictional informational cocoon around Donald Trump. Kamala Harris just burst it open.

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Harris deserves credit for calling out Baier’s MAGA cleanup efforts. But all this raises a bigger question: How much public support would Trump have right now if Fox and other right-wing outlets had not been pumping out sanitizing propaganda about him and his presidency for the last 10 years?

 

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6 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Look everyone, the NYT decides today is the day to bring up Trump's mental fitness:

 

Trump’s Meandering Speeches Motivate His Critics and Worry His Allies

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/17/us/politics/trump-rally-speeches.html

 

 

 

 

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On Sunday, in response to a question on Fox News about the possibility of foreign adversaries’ meddling in the election, he reverted to autocratic language by saying “the bigger problem is the enemy from within.” On Monday, he halted a town-hall event in suburban Philadelphia after five questions when two people in the crowd needed medical attention. He spent roughly the next half-hour playing D.J., swaying and grooving in front of his crowd to a playlist he curated from the stage. “Let’s just listen to music,” he said.

Last week, he canceled a CBS interview on “60 Minutes,” in which he and Ms. Harris were both scheduled to appear — and has not stopped talking about it. He complained about it during events in Detroit and Reno, Nev., and again on Monday in a social media post at 1:12 a.m.

At the Economic Club of Chicago on Tuesday, he answered a question about whether he would break up Google by complaining about a Justice Department lawsuit against Virginia election officials. When he was reminded the question was about Google, he said he “called the head of Google the other day” to grouse about the difficulty of finding positive news stories about his campaign on the company’s search page.

During the same event, Mr. Trump suggested his digressions were part of a communication strategy when his interviewer tried to focus on a question.

“You’ve got to be able to finish a thought because it’s very important,” Mr. Trump told the interviewer, John Micklethwait, the editor in chief of Bloomberg News. “This is big stuff we’re talking about. You can’t go that quickly.”

Mr. Micklethwait pointed out that Mr. Trump had started talking about reserve currency and then moved to a story about President Emmanuel Macron of France, among other digressions. “It’s called ‘the weave,’” Mr. Trump said, using a phrase he often uses to describe his speaking style, as he waved his hand in front of him to suggest he was connecting various dots.

Ms. Harris and her campaign have gone on the offensive by using Mr. Trump’s rambling against him, attacking him in ads, in speeches on the campaign trail and in interviews.

Internal Harris campaign research showed that one of the most effective ways to persuade voters to support the vice president was by portraying Mr. Trump as unstable and Ms. Harris as a steady leader who would strengthen America’s security, according to two Harris officials who insisted on anonymity to describe private data.

In the past two weeks, the Harris campaign has flooded the airwaves in battleground states with a pair of television ads to underscore these themes. One spot features warnings from Mr. Trump’s former top defense officials to paint him as “too big of a risk.” Another features endorsements for Ms. Harris from a bipartisan group of national security officials.

“Even former Trump administration officials agree there’s only one candidate fit to lead our nation — and that’s Kamala Harris,” the narrator says.

The Harris campaign criticized Mr. Trump’s appearance at the Economic Club of Chicago, saying he displayed “unstable behavior” and was “angry and unfocused as he rambled on and on.”

“No one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump,” Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, said on Monday at a campaign event in Wisconsin.

Ms. Harris said the former president was “quite unstable and unfit” during an interview on Monday with The Shade Room, a digital entertainment publication. In a second interview that day with the independent Black journalist Roland Martin, Ms. Harris pointed to Mr. Trump’s false claims that Haitian migrants were eating their neighbors’ pets.

“This man is dangerous,” she said.

Anna Kelly, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, which is supporting the Trump campaign, said Mr. Trump’s “message is clear and consistent: President Trump’s agenda for America’s working men and women will fix our broken economy to lower costs and secure the border to make our communities safe.” 

In Prescott Valley, Ariz., on Sunday, Mr. Trump’s scripted remarks hewed tightly to the anti-immigration message that has become central to his campaign. He stayed on track for the first half-hour of the event before taking a more scenic route to the finish.

After about 25 minutes, he told the crowd he wanted to tell “one quick story” about a friend with a car plant in Mexico.

But he never finished his tale. Instead, he lost the thread one minute later as he complained that if he mispronounced one word he would be accused of being “cognitively impaired.” Then, he botched the phrase by saying President Biden was the one who was “cognitively repaired” and referred to the election as three and a half months away, not three and a half weeks.

About 20 minutes later, Mr. Trump seemed ready to wrap up his speech. He promised the crowd would see him again soon and said he was thinking about residents on the East Coast suffering after the recent storms.

“So in closing,” Mr. Trump continued, “I just want to say Kamala Harris is a radical left Marxist rated even worse than Bernie Sanders or Pocahontas.”

He proceeded to speak for 17 more minutes.

 

Awesome, that story will sway about 20 votes!

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Wish Lobo was around to see this. He would have been pleased to see Mary Katherine Gallagher making a comeback in 2024.
 

Love this. Clean jabs. So confident.
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1 hour ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

 

 

i caught some of the michael berry show on the way home, he wouldn’t shit up about polymarket.

these people only job is picking the winner and then making money and they hAve trump up BIG !!! blah blah blah It’s going to be a huge trump win !!!

😂😂😂

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2 minutes ago, BamaATL said:

Over night return update from Georgia take aways:

1.  897k votes returned

2.  Women have now cast 90k more votes than men

3.  123k non voters from 2020

4.  Fortress Atlanta - Dekalb Count - 10.2% of 2020

     Fulton County - 11.7% of 2020

Can we get some analysis from our Senior Georgia Correspondent?

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1 minute ago, chainsaw said:

Can we get some analysis from our Senior Georgia Correspondent?

Standard operating procedure, we laid him off and outsourced that to Singapore.  

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56 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Rumors the Trump campaign is going to do a late October town hall with Haley

Aka, oh holy fuck I am bleeding suburban female support and moderate Republicans more than I thought 

Nothing like a late October attempt to win back voters of key demographics at the last minute. Definitely doesn’t stink of desperation and shit filled diapers 

If you are reading the tea leaves, the Trump campaign is telling us all we need to know by how they are moving. They have softened their stance on women's issues and he has even done an all women town hall. He has skipped a lot of interviews but didn't skip Univision and the barbershop bit tells me they feel they need to bolster the Latino vote. He knows to leave us the fuck alone. That said his rhetoric amongst women and latinos is downright suicidal, almost impossible to clean up even for a seasoned pro. Trump, however, seems to make it worse the second someone hands him a microphone. His town hall with women was awful from the moment go with what he said about the woman who died. Then watching him try to address mass deportation in fron of the latinos was downright comical.

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2 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

If you are reading the tea leaves, the Trump campaign is telling us all we need to know by how they are moving

Yep. They’re desperate. And him back on truth social screaming that Harris needs to drop out and he should be running against Biden again tells me he’s losing.  Why would you want her to drop out if you’re beating her?

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