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On 3/16/2025 at 3:05 PM, Captainant said:

Pretty good bit of real world proof on LIDAR vs cameras from YouTuber Mark Rober

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Lede burried. We all know Tesla self driving is bullshit. Rober lidar mapping space mountain and haunted mansion with a chest worn device was fucking awesome. 

My kid loves him and we have the crunch labs subscription. I highly recommend it if you have kids in that age range. 

I have nothing to say about musk. Fuck that twat. 

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6 hours ago, Deej said:

Looks to me like someone put on a suit of armor because they are scared of getting fucked up by a cat. 

Nothing scares an incel more than pussy

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5 hours ago, Samson's Wig said:

Have you ever met a cat before?   

Yes, and I never approached that abomination.

 

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18 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

I’m with you, man.  In my early 40s there’s a few things I can do with the best of them.  Put a football through a tire at 30 yards with a tight spiral.  Sling 90 mph heat in the zone for at least three innings before my arm tires.  Rebuild a Weber carb.  Speak six languages (well, and I’m also fair at reading Latin and a Greek).  
Keep beautiful women hanging on my every word through dinner, take them back home, and leave them aching but wanting more the next morning. 
 

But yeah, video games. My Achilles heel.  I was just spending too much time working on my sub-4 mile and summiting all the 14k peaks in the Western hemisphere. 

 

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54 minutes ago, Chooky said:

What an absolute pussy.

Twitter reminds me of Hornsfans. Say something not positive about the owners and they would give you a temp or perm ban. <Insert flashing letter icon.>

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Inside EVs again with more bad news for swasticar owners.

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At the center of the freefall is the Tesla Cybertruck, which has fallen a massive -58% year-over-year.

 

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Grok gets it. First, it says there's a 75-85% chance Trump is a Russian asset. Now it says Leon is one of the largest spreaders of misinformation on X.

Elon Musk’s own AI chatbot has turned on him and says he’s spreading misinformation

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One of Elon Musk’s own AI chatbots has identified him as being one of the largest spreaders of misinformation on X.

Musk has repeatedly touted his own AI system, Grok, as the best source for information, at one point suggesting users should ‘Grok it’ rather than ‘Google it’.

Grok has quickly become one of the most used AI apps in the world, with Musk calling it ‘based’ and the world’s ‘smartest AI’.

In 2024, he wrote: ‘Perhaps it is now clear why Grok is so important. It is far from perfect right now but will improve rapidly… Rigorous pursuit of the truth, without regard to criticism, has never been more essential.’

But the world’s ‘smartest AI’ – which Musk helped create – has said that the Tesla boss is one of the biggest spreaders of misinformation on X, which he owns.

In a separate post on X, Grok reiterated that Musk was one of the ‘top misinformation spreaders on X’, putting Donald Trump in second place.

Metro also decided to ask Grok who the biggest spreader of misinformation was on X (owned by Musk), and was told: ‘Based on available reports and analyses, Elon Musk is frequently identified as one of the most significant spreaders of misinformation on X.’

Grok cited Musk’s ‘massive following’ which amplified his posts, including misleading claims about elections, conspiracy theories and incorrect information.

‘His role as the platform’s owner further magnifies his influence, as his content often escapes the same scrutiny or moderation applied to others,’ Grok added.

‘The subjective nature of “misinformation” and the lack of a universal metric make it tricky to crown a definitive “biggest” spreader, but Musk’s name comes up most prominently in current data and discussions.’

Ouch.

Musk’s AI has come to the consensus that he, despite touting truth and hoping to combat misinformation, is the source of a lot of it on X.

According to Grok, the AI system was trained on a ‘variety of data’ from publicly available sources and data sets reviewed and curated by AI Tutors, which are essentially human reviewers. 

Grok's full response to the misinformation question:

‘Based on available reports and analyses, Elon Musk is frequently identified as one of the most significant spreaders of misinformation on X. His large following—over 200 million as of early 2025—and high engagement amplify the impact of his posts.

‘For instance, a 2024 report from the Center for Countering Digital Hate noted that 87 of his posts about the U.S. election that year were rated false or misleading by fact-checkers, collectively amassing 2 billion views.

‘His content often touches on topics like elections, health issues such as COVID-19, and conspiracy theories, which contributes to this perception. However, the definition of “misinformation” can be subjective, and other figures like Donald Trump Jr. or entities like state-sponsored accounts from Russia and China also rank high depending on the context and timeframe.

‘Without a universal metric, pinpointing a single “biggest” spreader remains debated, but Musk’s prominence and platform ownership make him a standout candidate.’

Concerns over misinformation across X have been raised before. When Musk first bought Twitter and changed the name to X in 2022, he promised to provide a platform for free speech.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/03/18/elon-musks-ai-tool-says-spreads-misinformation-x-22741885/

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Posted
2 hours ago, Chopper said:

Have only heard of the "panels coming off" phenomenon. Until now.

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The most American-made vehicle ever, designed, marketed, and sold by a non-American.  

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49 minutes ago, Chopper said:

burning swasticars update

edit: FURTHER UPDATE. That's at a swasticar service center so those vehicles are likely individually owned. 

for no particular reason:

 

Sounds everyone's favorite bogeyman Auntie Pho is at it again amirite 

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So in one case in CA, a judge ruled to reinstate 24,000 probationary employees who were fired illegally (with back pay) and now this:

I just can’t get over how damn efficient this all is. Elon truly showing how brilliant he is in creating lasting change for the better 

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On 3/16/2025 at 5:05 PM, Captainant said:

Pretty good bit of real world proof on LIDAR vs cameras from YouTuber Mark Rober

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I mean... y'all knew I wouldn't leave this one alone.  It was just a matter of time before this catfish ate the stinkbait.

I did take my time and watch the entire video and did multiple viewings of all of the actual tests.

You'll all be shocked to hear that I think the video is a bit disingenuous and manipulated to give pre-determined results.  Here are my observations that inform my skepticism:

  • Rober doesn't use any FSD build and limits his testing to EAB and Autopilot.  Yes, the sensor suite and hardware is the same, but the software is vastly different between autopilot and FSD 12+.  Rober pits the latest version of Luminar's system against an older generation Tesla system.

 

  • In each test where the screen is visible (except for the EAB test), there is an out-of-focus warning notification present prior to impacting the dummy or the wall.  Anyone who uses the Tesla TACC, autopilot, or FSD system will tell you that if you have the accelerator pressed and are going above the set speed, you get the following warning:  image.png.d0715c7ff9482cc3ab207878aa4e5f94.png          Even EAB will keep going when the accelerator is pressed, which is what appears to happen in the video.  It won't give the visual warning notification, but it will give an audible alarm which you hear about two seconds prior to impact in the EAB test in the video.  To my eye, it looks like Rober is pressing the accelerator and not actually allowing the driver assist systems to maintain speed on their own.

 

  • In the raw footage that Rober released in response to criticism, rather than setting the autopilot early in the test which is easily doable, he waits until very late (<5 seconds) to attempt to engage FSD and fails on two attempts to engage before getting it to engage on a third attempt.  There's no reason he couldn't have engaged autopilot much earlier.  It's just really shady and looks like he is intentionally engaging late to confuse and cause errors in the system. https://x.com/MarkRober/status/1901449395327094898

 

  • The "fog" test was not fog, but smoke.  LIDAR is significantly degraded in actual fog when water in the air scatters and absorbs the lasers.  Credit to the LIDAR system for "seeing" through the smoke, but that is an extremely uncommon scenario for actual driving (no safe driver proceeds at full speed into an obscuring smoke cloud) that was engineered to give the LIDAR system an easy "win" in this comparison.

 

  • In the "rain" test, which did not simulate a realistic rain scenario that one would actually drive in, the LIDAR system stopped because it read the significant water spray as a solid object, not because it saw the dummy.  Judge's review does not award the point to LIDAR in this comparison.  LIDAR is degraded in rain just like in fog due to attenuation.

 

 

  • The CEO of Luminar (the LIDAR system featured in the video) is present in the video and is a previous collaborator and admitted friend of Rober.

 

For posterity:  Motherfuck Elmo for being a nazi asshole.

You may now proceed with the knob-slobbing gifs.

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1 minute ago, Guadaloopy said:

I mean... y'all knew I wouldn't leave this one alone.  It was just a matter of time before this catfish ate the stinkbait.

I did take my time and watch the entire video and did multiple viewings of all of the actual tests.

You'll all be shocked to hear that I think the video is a bit disingenuous and manipulated to give pre-determined results.  Here are my observations that inform my skepticism:

  • Rober doesn't use any FSD build and limits his testing to EAB and Autopilot.  Yes, the sensor suite and hardware is the same, but the software is vastly different between autopilot and FSD 12+.  Rober pits the latest version of Luminar's system against an older generation Tesla system.

 

  • In each test where the screen is visible (except for the EAB test), there is an out-of-focus warning notification present prior to impacting the dummy or the wall.  Anyone who uses the Tesla TACC, autopilot, or FSD system will tell you that if you have the accelerator pressed and are going above the set speed, you get the following warning:  image.png.d0715c7ff9482cc3ab207878aa4e5f94.png          Even EAB will keep going when the accelerator is pressed, which is what appears to happen in the video.  It won't give the visual warning notification, but it will give an audible alarm which you hear about two seconds prior to impact in the EAB test in the video.  To my eye, it looks like Rober is pressing the accelerator and not actually allowing the driver assist systems to maintain speed on their own.

 

  • In the raw footage that Rober released in response to criticism, rather than setting the autopilot early in the test which is easily doable, he waits until very late (<5 seconds) to attempt to engage FSD and fails on two attempts to engage before getting it to engage on a third attempt.  There's no reason he couldn't have engaged autopilot much earlier.  It's just really shady and looks like he is intentionally engaging late to confuse and cause errors in the system. https://x.com/MarkRober/status/1901449395327094898

 

  • The "fog" test was not fog, but smoke.  LIDAR is significantly degraded in actual fog when water in the air scatters and absorbs the lasers.  Credit to the LIDAR system for "seeing" through the smoke, but that is an extremely uncommon scenario for actual driving (no safe driver proceeds at full speed into an obscuring smoke cloud) that was engineered to give the LIDAR system an easy "win" in this comparison.

 

  • In the "rain" test, which did not simulate a realistic rain scenario that one would actually drive in, the LIDAR system stopped because it read the significant water spray as a solid object, not because it saw the dummy.  Judge's review does not award the point to LIDAR in this comparison.  LIDAR is degraded in rain just like in fog due to attenuation.

 

 

  • The CEO of Luminar (the LIDAR system featured in the video) is present in the video and is a previous collaborator and admitted friend of Rober.

 

For posterity:  Motherfuck Elmo for being a nazi asshole.

You may now proceed with the knob-slobbing gifs.

Lol 52-80 just posted a TLDR in the business board about 5 minutes before your post. Did the newsletter just go out or something?

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Lol 52-80 just posted a TLDR in the business board about 5 minutes before your post. Did the newsletter just go out or something?

Nah...  Just took my time looking at the video.  I watched a couple of other analysis videos from yesterday, but they weren't all that compelling.

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11 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

In the raw footage that Rober released in response to criticism, rather than setting the autopilot early in the test which is easily doable, he waits until very late (<5 seconds) to attempt to engage FSD and fails on two attempts to engage before getting it to engage on a third attempt.  There's no reason he couldn't have engaged autopilot much earlier.  It's just really shady and looks like he is intentionally engaging late to confuse and cause errors in the system. https://x.com/MarkRober/status/1901449395327094898

In this tweet, it shows the autopilot disengaging at the last second. There's been a huge disparity of accident reporting where "autopilot/FSD wasn't in charge!", even an NHTSA investigation about it

https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/

They found a number of incidents where autopilot "on average aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact."

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19 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I mean... y'all knew I wouldn't leave this one alone.  It was just a matter of time before this catfish ate the stinkbait.

I did take my time and watch the entire video and did multiple viewings of all of the actual tests.

You'll all be shocked to hear that I think the video is a bit disingenuous and manipulated to give pre-determined results.  Here are my observations that inform my skepticism:

  • Rober doesn't use any FSD build and limits his testing to EAB and Autopilot.  Yes, the sensor suite and hardware is the same, but the software is vastly different between autopilot and FSD 12+.  Rober pits the latest version of Luminar's system against an older generation Tesla system.

 

  • In each test where the screen is visible (except for the EAB test), there is an out-of-focus warning notification present prior to impacting the dummy or the wall.  Anyone who uses the Tesla TACC, autopilot, or FSD system will tell you that if you have the accelerator pressed and are going above the set speed, you get the following warning:  image.png.d0715c7ff9482cc3ab207878aa4e5f94.png          Even EAB will keep going when the accelerator is pressed, which is what appears to happen in the video.  It won't give the visual warning notification, but it will give an audible alarm which you hear about two seconds prior to impact in the EAB test in the video.  To my eye, it looks like Rober is pressing the accelerator and not actually allowing the driver assist systems to maintain speed on their own.

 

  • In the raw footage that Rober released in response to criticism, rather than setting the autopilot early in the test which is easily doable, he waits until very late (<5 seconds) to attempt to engage FSD and fails on two attempts to engage before getting it to engage on a third attempt.  There's no reason he couldn't have engaged autopilot much earlier.  It's just really shady and looks like he is intentionally engaging late to confuse and cause errors in the system. https://x.com/MarkRober/status/1901449395327094898

 

  • The "fog" test was not fog, but smoke.  LIDAR is significantly degraded in actual fog when water in the air scatters and absorbs the lasers.  Credit to the LIDAR system for "seeing" through the smoke, but that is an extremely uncommon scenario for actual driving (no safe driver proceeds at full speed into an obscuring smoke cloud) that was engineered to give the LIDAR system an easy "win" in this comparison.

 

  • In the "rain" test, which did not simulate a realistic rain scenario that one would actually drive in, the LIDAR system stopped because it read the significant water spray as a solid object, not because it saw the dummy.  Judge's review does not award the point to LIDAR in this comparison.  LIDAR is degraded in rain just like in fog due to attenuation.

 

 

  • The CEO of Luminar (the LIDAR system featured in the video) is present in the video and is a previous collaborator and admitted friend of Rober.

 

For posterity:  Motherfuck Elmo for being a nazi asshole.

You may now proceed with the knob-slobbing gifs.

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Sure, FSD has a more sophisticated software stack, trained on end-to-end neural networks to include city, highway, and parking lot driving scenarios. It’s easy to fire off a post on X claiming the system would have braked before running into Rober’s fake wall. But it also could have made the same error. After all, this is the same company that knew Autopilot had difficulty detecting truck trailers crossing the path of the vehicle and did nothing to fix it.

https://www.theverge.com/tesla/631308/mark-rober-tesla-youtube-autopilot-lidar-fake-claims

Seems like a lot of what you wrote has been debunked or shrugged at. But I'm no rocket scientist.

 
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2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

https://www.theverge.com/tesla/631308/mark-rober-tesla-youtube-autopilot-lidar-fake-claims

Seems like a lot of what you wrote has been debunked or shrugged at. But I'm no rocket scientist.

 

My main concern with the video is the warning notifications that show up on the screen prior to impacts.  Without seeing those in focus and knowing what the warnings were actually for, it sure looks like the accelerator was engaged during some of these tests and overriding the system.

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Today I parked in a lot next to what I assume was a small Tesla sedan.  It had no badge.  It also had no occupants.  I was checking some messages before going into the store I was patronizing and I was stunned to see this car pull out and drive towards the store entrance.  Zero humans.  It actually started to cut off another vehicle (with driver) who honked and stopped.  I'm sorry, but that's just very unnerving and not really ready for prime time.

PS I'm a mechanical engineer who has done a bit of controls work in my career, I'm not a luddite.

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12 minutes ago, Captainant said:

In this tweet, it shows the autopilot disengaging at the last second. There's been a huge disparity of accident reporting where "autopilot/FSD wasn't in charge!", even an NHTSA investigation about it

https://www.motortrend.com/news/nhtsa-tesla-autopilot-investigation-shutoff-crash/

They found a number of incidents where autopilot "on average aborted vehicle control less than one second prior to the first impact."

Yep... that is a known issue that has been noted by NHTSA.  The fact that autopilot disengaged prior to impact isn't my main concern with that video. 

My biggest concern is with how late he engages autopilot and the fact that it took three attempts to get it to activate.  If I had the time, resources, and talent to paint a Road Runner mural, I would love to recreate this and engage FSD a quarter mile out to see what would happen.  

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20 hours ago, pops said:

Lede burried. We all know Tesla self driving is bullshit. Rober lidar mapping space mountain and haunted mansion with a chest worn device was fucking awesome. 

My kid loves him and we have the crunch labs subscription. I highly recommend it if you have kids in that age range. 

I have nothing to say about musk. Fuck that twat. 

1000% reason I watched that video at first was to see him sneak a lidar sensor into space mountain and possibly get skull fucked by Mickey Mouse in the process (still might). Releasing a video that would piss off both Disney and the Elon/Tesla Stans at the same time was a rather bold choice...

 

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2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Today I parked in a lot next to what I assume was a small Tesla sedan.  It had no badge.  It also had no occupants.  I was checking some messages before going into the store I was patronizing and I was stunned to see this car pull out and drive towards the store entrance.  Zero humans.  It actually started to cut off another vehicle (with driver) who honked and stopped.  I'm sorry, but that's just very unnerving and not really ready for prime time.

PS I'm a mechanical engineer who has done a bit of controls work in my career, I'm not a luddite.

Actual smart summon still sucks.  It still has a lot of restrictions on it and doesn't operate like supervised FSD at all.  Once the "training wheels" come off of it and the full capability of FSD 13 takes over that feature, it will be much better.  People who use that function now in crowded parking lots are assholes. 

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Just now, Guadaloopy said:

Once the "training wheels" come off of it and the full capability of FSD 13 takes over that feature, it will be much better.  

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Sounds quite a bit like the pitches for FSD 1-12, to be honest

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2 hours ago, tbone_ said:

Why wouldn’t Canada just ban Tesla sales in their country. I would if I were them.

I mean, why not let Tesla keep spending money transporting the, renting office space, paying sales people, and THEN have no one buy them?

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33 minutes ago, Firemans4Horn said:

All the money in the world and spends 22 hours a day retweeting Nazis and this guy

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Hey man, Ian Cheong - noted GamerGate provocateur and DailyCaller writer - was a preferred news source for basically every moment of civil unrest in 2020. Couldn't go a page without him getting linked or sourced in DT. Dude was and is a profilic source of disinformation AND straight-from-russia propaganda 

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2 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

Actual smart summon still sucks.  It still has a lot of restrictions on it and doesn't operate like supervised FSD at all.  Once the "training wheels" come off of it and the full capability of FSD 13 takes over that feature, it will be much better.  People who use that function now in crowded parking lots are assholes. 

Simple question.  Why does Elon discount LIDAR?  It's a relatively simple solution.  I can answer, because he's a fake ass know-it-all-prick that needs to have his balls roped by South African black people and dragged through a cactus patch.  Repeatedly.  Like for eternity.  Fuck Elon and fuck everyone associated with him.  

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