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I’m just confused why neither school has declared they won’t play the scheduled contest with SJSU that falls after the election

And almost every team uses male practice players. Nebraska even used one in their scrimmage to have enough players for 2 full teams. Programs have to BEG for guys to come in to practice against them 

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1 hour ago, 52-80 said:

You kinda admit coyly that yes, its a good thing, but simply it shouldnt be determind by government. Is that the right read?

 

There is no reason for the government to be involved.  It's not involved in any other sport sanctioning issues.  Especially not one of this tiny magnitude.

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40 minutes ago, immamac said:

No one in this thread has ever watched a Wyoming or SJSC or whoever the fuck the other team is playing a single fucking volley of volleyball. 

80% of people in this thread have never even seen anything other than highlights of Olympic, Texas or other seemingly aligned fandom.

25% have maybe watched a complete match of women's volleyball

10% have watched more than 1 in a season that wasn't the final four or playoffs. 

I doubt there's even a single person who has watched the majority of the games in a season and could tell you all the players on the roster without a roster. 

Stop acting like you all give a single fuck about this. It's a non issue that none of you give a shit about and it's clickbait outrage nonsense that doesn't fucking matter and negatively impacts 10s of people in a completely benign way. 

Not everything has to turn into an example of something you think you need to fix or that is a description of the world we live in as a whole. 

Well yeah, but millions of people saw that South Park episode where Randy Savage wore a bow on head and dominated a bunch of women. This is their concern, dude.

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42 minutes ago, immamac said:

80% of people in this thread have never even seen anything other than highlights of Olympic, Texas or other seemingly aligned fandom.

25% have maybe watched a complete match of women's volleyball

10% have watched more than 1 in a season that wasn't the final four or playoffs. 

I doubt there's even a single person who has watched the majority of the games in a season and could tell you all the players on the roster without a roster. 

 

41 minutes ago, immamac said:

Hell I vet there's less than 5 who can even tell you the positions without googling it. 

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36 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There is no reason for the government to be involved.  It's not involved in any other sport sanctioning issues.  Especially not one of this tiny magnitude.

that i agree on.  its up to each organization to decide whats appropriate for their sport, subject to the pressure of their participants and customers. likewise govt shouldnt be involved in the opposite direction.

what i dont agree with -- and people tend to gloss over this part directly to their own moral conclusion -- is if people feign as if gender is irrelevant in sports..

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2 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

that i agree on.  its up to each organization to decide whats appropriate for their sport, subject to the pressure of their participants and customers. likewise govt shouldnt be involved in the opposite direction.

what i dont agree with -- and people tend to gloss over this part directly to their own moral conclusion -- is if people feign as if gender is irrelevant in sports..

Your starting position is that gender is fixed and immutable. It’s not. There are extreme outliers that took advantage of rules created out of fear and lack of forethought. Those rules need to be changed, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a real workable solution that alleviates concerns for all.

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9 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

that i agree on.  its up to each organization to decide whats appropriate for their sport, subject to the pressure of their participants and customers. likewise govt shouldnt be involved in the opposite direction.

what i dont agree with -- and people tend to gloss over this part directly to their own moral conclusion -- is if people feign as if gender is irrelevant in sports..

Very few "feign" that it is irrelevant.  Hell, we've got a trans person right here on this thread that wrestles with vague notions of fairness vs. broad participation.

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10 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

that i agree on.  its up to each organization to decide whats appropriate for their sport, subject to the pressure of their participants and customers. likewise govt shouldnt be involved in the opposite direction.

what i dont agree with -- and people tend to gloss over this part directly to their own moral conclusion -- is if people feign as if gender is irrelevant in sports..

Nobody has said that, you’re the one glossing over shit to continue your disingenuous narrative. Troph and others have made clear that it deserves some attention and nuance when it comes to competitiveness, she’s said it multiple times. You choose to ignore it and it’s why people are rightfully inferring that you’re just one of millions of people who are using this as a pretext to simply undermine the very existence of transgendered persons.

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9 minutes ago, troph said:

I think the fact that I have outlined in three posts reasonable positions on this and I’ve received almost zero engagement from the no males in female sports is pretty fucking telling. People like this as a wedge issue, they like having an existential threat to latch on to, they like having a crusade against others. It’s the human way. Like I said, not enough good faith here to find a reasonable solution. It makes me sad. Makes me want to take a break from humanity and this place, again. 

I am finding it difficult to just watch a political world where logic, facts, and good faith carry so little weight. In fact, they're scorned by one side. 

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11 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

that i agree on.  its up to each organization to decide whats appropriate for their sport, subject to the pressure of their participants and customers. likewise govt shouldnt be involved in the opposite direction.

what i dont agree with -- and people tend to gloss over this part directly to their own moral conclusion -- is if people feign as if gender is irrelevant in sports..

You do know all of this is happening in the context of a concerted effort (by the very fine people that you voted for) to make trans people untermensch? There are a bunch of hateful fascists pushing across their local governments and private orgs to redefine trans people as dangerous sexual deviants that are coming for your children. 

Just watch a fucking football game, your man cruz has one of those ads every goddamn quarter. 

This shit isn't happening in a vacuum 

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13 minutes ago, troph said:

I think the fact that I have outlined in three posts reasonable positions on this and I’ve received almost zero engagement from the no males in female sports is pretty fucking telling. 

You did have reasonable takes on it.  I felt like this post below was pretty close to what you said.  I know there are likely differences in how you all would handle the more competitive ages/sports but common ground on rec, early youth, etc.  52-80 may have even been less restrictive than your post as it appears they don't even care about HS level competition.

1 hour ago, 52-80 said:


Transgender people can participate in sports. Theres no ban against it. And in low-stakes, casual competition -- grade school, rec leagues, amateur -- who cares everybody play where they want none of you are lebron james just have fun. In elite competition like collegiate sports, professional leagues where theres real stakes on the table (money, trophies, careers), yeah absolutely use the imperfect but clearest-cut 99.9%-fair method.

 

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No one in this thread has ever watched a Wyoming or SJSC or whoever the fuck the other team is playing a single fucking volley of volleyball. 
80% of people in this thread have never even seen anything other than highlights of Olympic, Texas or other seemingly aligned fandom.
25% have maybe watched a complete match of women's volleyball
10% have watched more than 1 in a season that wasn't the final four or playoffs. 
I doubt there's even a single person who has watched the majority of the games in a season and could tell you all the players on the roster without a roster. 
Stop acting like you all give a single fuck about this. It's a non issue that none of you give a shit about and it's clickbait outrage nonsense that doesn't fucking matter and negatively impacts 10s of people in a completely benign way. 
Not everything has to turn into an example of something you think you need to fix or that is a description of the world we live in as a whole. 

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28 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

that i agree on.  its up to each organization to decide whats appropriate for their sport, subject to the pressure of their participants and customers. likewise govt shouldnt be involved in the opposite direction.

what i dont agree with -- and people tend to gloss over this part directly to their own moral conclusion -- is if people feign as if gender is irrelevant in sports..

Please point to the members of this board that are doing that, since it is so concerning for you.

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9 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

You did have reasonable takes on it.  I felt like this post below was pretty close to what you said.  I know there are likely differences in how you all would handle the more competitive ages/sports but common ground on rec, early youth, etc.  52-80 may have even been less restrictive than your post as it appears they don't even care about HS level competition.

 

His other posts make it clear 99.99% fair is a complete ban. 99.99% fair empirically would mean inclusion but that’s not his position. If I’m wrong about his position, then I’m happy to be corrected.

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Just now, troph said:

His other posts make it clear 99.99% fair is a complete ban. If I’m wrong then I’m happy to be corrected. 

I hope you take my posts the right way. I'm saying this particular thread topic is irrelevant to most everyone. I'm pretty sure we have a thread for discussing the topic of transgender athletes and participation somewhere and it's not this thread. I'm not saying that the opinions or discussion is unwarranted or unwelcomed I'm saying this particular thread about a forfeit volleyball game doesn't make a fuck. 

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Just now, Pescado_Rojo said:

 My daughter is a 4X Jr Olympian T&F athlete and runs for a competitive 5A Texas high school. My son has been going to USA Swimming ladder meets all over the state since he was 8 and swims for the same high school. I've never seen a trans athlete in 10 years of track and swim meets, but I have had numerous people who have never been to a meet telling me what a huge problem it is. 

You are just not opening your eyes man. 

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4 minutes ago, hornbri said:

Meanwhile - another school forfeited playing them (so now, Wyoming, Southern Utah, Boise State and Utah State). 

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/fourth-school-joins-wave-women-s-volleyball-19812157.php

Creating a fucking schedule imbalance within the MWC, but with realignment, does the MWC have the balls to make these schools forfeit their conference seasons without pissing them off enough to leave?  

Utah St is the only one of the 4 bitchass schools and San Jose who even has a chance of making the NCAAT without an auto-bid

UNLV said fuck all that, we playing.

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1 minute ago, Chuckie Finster said:


Purely from a strategy standpoint, any single player that can result in 4 automatic wins seems like a good investment.

That's exactly right. They used their big brain go ensure they are going to win the conference. Then they can take the show on the road and get everyone else to forfeit or cower in the shadows of this incredible player who everyone knows the name of. Household name, legendary athlete, so good at volleyball that all the opponents forfeit because they know they never had a chance to begin with. 

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Creating a fucking schedule imbalance within the MWC, but with realignment, does the MWC have the balls to make these schools forfeit their conference seasons without pissing them off enough to leave?  

Utah St is the only one of the 4 bitchass schools and San Jose who even has a chance of making the NCAAT without an auto-bid

UNLV said fuck all that, we playing.

UNLV got smoked. They didn't even get a single point and the superstar player spiked every single ball and injured all their players. UNLV now can't play volleyball in conference because they don't have enough players who can play without the fear paralyzing them from the traumatic experience of being so utterly and helplessly dominated by the great San Jose Community School volleyball team. 

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20 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

It is so ridiculous this is an issue. And I was told this wasn’t an issue. A fabricated deal. Glad that 25 (26 I thought) states have barred males from participating in women’s sports. Glad my daughters and I live in Texas. 

Fewer health care resources, bounties on their head < women sports.    Great priorities man.  

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10 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

weird.

i don't understand how or why this is the next political culture war.

but it is both of those things - a political issue and a culture war.

so i'm moving it to cloak room.

for my honest take - i had this come up in a personal capacity relatively recently (guess it was around the time of the olympics) from an older male. i shrugged and said "where is this happening?" his answer was some high school or some shit, but let's go ahead and apply my answer here:

so fucking what. 

this is not a big issue. yall can elephant walk your way all the way to an outrage, i guess, but that still means you're interested in someone else's junk. which is weird to me. but whatever.

You see, the right is extremely concerned about maintaining fairness in contests.

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59 minutes ago, Degenerate Gardner said:

You see, the right is extremely concerned about maintaining fairness in contests.

As this is now a CR thread: the party of criminals and freaks has whipped this into a wedge issue. Three years ago, less than 30% of the country was concerned about this issue. That number has more than doubled since.

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19 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I don’t really, because such a situation will never affect my athlete daughters, but to suggest it’s not newsworthy is definitely a take. Having a poster, without any comment, neg my opinion that 90%+ of the country agrees with, is indicative of a Cunts Run Amok board. 

Glad you agree we should ditch the electoral college so only the winner of the popular vote gets to decide the elections.   And I expect you should also join in setting limitations on firearms since the majority support that as well, I am sure you already called your congressmen and other representatives in order to convey this point.  

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43 minutes ago, Captainant said:

You do know all of this is happening in the context of a concerted effort (by the very fine people that you voted for) to make trans people untermensch? There are a bunch of hateful fascists pushing across their local governments and private orgs to redefine trans people as dangerous sexual deviants that are coming for your children. 

Just watch a fucking football game, your man cruz has one of those ads every goddamn quarter. 

This shit isn't happening in a vacuum 

The one should be put in the other. 

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I was watching the television the other day and I seen some guy named Allred playing flag football. He tackled this poor girl and kilt her right there on the field! No flag or anything! If it's on TV, you KNOW it's real!

I Seent It GIFs | Tenor

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4 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

 

I feel like it's become a litmus test issue for which tribe we belong in, whether we want it to or not. 

I feel like I'm inherently accused of being transphobic if I don't believe transgender women should be competing in women's sports. I guess if that's part of the definition, then I am. 

I like your point about men being the open competition. If a woman is able to compete equally with men then by all means, she should be able to do so. I don't think the problem is as much about whether she's permitted to. It's about she's not able to compete athletically with the men, so there's a separate category created for women so there can be a more competitive footing among their peers.

In theory the idea of a more nuanced categorization that isn't completely binary can have some appeal, but in practice it becomes too subjective and people get into arguments about what subjective measurement is the ideal. It's simpler to say if you're born a woman you can compete against other women. If you're not, then you're not. Absolutely there are plenty of transgender women who will not dominate their biological counterparts in athletic endeavors, but all it takes is one, unfortunately, for the whole thing to feel unfair for people who were women at birth. 

To me it feels unfair for transgender women not to be able to participate in sports when that's such an important part of our existence. But it's also unfair in my opinion for women to compete against transgender women, when the whole purpose of having women's sports in the first place was to give them an exclusivity because of the acknowledgement that it would not be a fair competition to introduce men into the equation. It's my belief if you break the seal and say it's okay for transgender women to compete under certain circumstances it can be difficult to actually argue that arbitrary line, whereas if you make the line whether someone is born as a woman or not, the line seems as clear cut as it's going to get. 

Just so you know, competing with men is untenable, not because of the differences but because of safety. I don’t know a single trans woman who can fade into the background that wants to actively put themselves out there as trans in competition with men. Even putting aside the ramifications of winning, the amount of discrimination we would face would effectively give those who want eradication exactly what they want. It is also a summarily dismissive argument to simply say nuance can’t work here. It absolutely can, but most organizations are afraid of both sides and combined with a lack of will and good faith from the vast majority of the public, they cannot  actually employ logic and rationality to come up with a workable solution. 

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1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

As I’ve said countless times, the comment was limited to the topic at hand and the topic many were piling on about that was never intended to be discussed - my opinion would likely surprise. 

I'm less surprised that you still haven't shared your """opinion""" rex lol. It's a very trumpian approach you're taking. What, do you have concepts on an opinion?

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2 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

As I’ve said countless times, the comment was limited to the topic at hand and the topic many were piling on about that was never intended to be discussed - my opinion would likely surprise. 

 

You keep saying this but your only clear response on the record is you’re happy you live in a state like 20+ others that ban trans athletes from competing in the gender they are aligned with no matter the circumstances.
 

So do tell and surprise us. 

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30 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

 My daughter is a 4X Jr Olympian T&F athlete and runs for a competitive 5A Texas high school. My son has been going to USA Swimming ladder meets all over the state since he was 8 and swims for the same high school. I've never seen a trans athlete in 10 years of track and swim meets, but I have had numerous people who have never been to a meet telling me what a huge problem it is. 

I don’t believe you. The highly respected Senator Cruz has based his entire campaign on this issue. Surely such a serious politician wouldn’t spend millions running ads educating his constituents about this issue if it wasn’t an existential threat to our American way of life, right?

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29 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I've never seen a trans athlete in 10 years of track and swim meets,

Look over your shoulder, man! They're sneaky. 

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Then run for your life before the grooming begins!

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11 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:


Their daughters are exponentially more likely to be gunned down by a boy in their school than have to face one in a sporting event, yet you clearly see where their priorities lie.

If your daughter is a potential D1 athlete in volleyball or basketball, there’s almost a 100% chance she’s going to face a squad of men in practice every day. 

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38 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

that i agree on.  its up to each organization to decide whats appropriate for their sport, subject to the pressure of their participants and customers. likewise govt shouldnt be involved in the opposite direction.

what i dont agree with -- and people tend to gloss over this part directly to their own moral conclusion -- is if people feign as if gender is irrelevant in sports..

In team sports it is absolutely irrelevant. As mentioned above, this girl isn’t even a statistical leader on her own team, much less a threat to take a post season individual award from another player. How many D1 scholarships are given a year in women’s Volleyball? @Thatguy has been through this process any said there are 5 trans girls in the mix for those spots. He could probably confirm but I would bet nepotism, favoritism, and outright bribery are taking more scholarships from the last in line talent than these kids are.

I asked if anyone knew SJSU ranking because after going down the RPI well past 100 (including past Wyoming lol) and couldn’t find them. She’s listed as 6’1 so she’s probably 5’11.5 or so. She’s not sending 150 mph bombs down from a foot over the net into defenseless delicate craniums. It’s total bullshit posturing by those with an agenda,  amplified by people with hate in their hearts. 
 

Athletes in individual sports like tennis, track and field, and swimming are a different problem IMO, but given what we know about trans kids and how/when to begin treatment, the problem at this point is manufactured by the fuckheads who prevent medications to delay onset of puberty.

A fair to middling biologic male athlete who is completely through puberty before transitioning will have an innate advantage that years of HRT and test blockers will only blunt. They will have bone density advantage that will last the rest of their lives. They will have increased muscle mass, thicker and stronger tendons and ligaments, and a more efficient Hip/knee/ankle angle that will persist for years if not decades. So you will have some state level and maybe even a few national level meets/matches won by such athletes

A truly elite biologic male athlete who transitioned post puberty would wreck shop for decades. For instance Caitlin Jenner, had she transitioned at 35, would probably shatter the women’s decathlon record at 40 and be world/olympic champion for another decade.  But that’s like a unicorn. Has never happened and never will
 

To my knowledge, outside of a few weight lifters, Lia Thomas is the only trans athlete competing at a world class female level. Is one outlier across all women’s sports a reason to deny girls and young women the opportunity to enjoy a normal part of growing up that statistically decreases rates of depression and suicide (a huge problem in this population, even in girls with strong family and social group support), increases self esteem and academic performance, and can help them get higher education paid for? IMHO it is not

 

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

I am finding it difficult to just watch a political world where logic, facts, and good faith carry so little weight. In fact, they're scorned by one side. 

 

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

You do know all of this is happening in the context of a concerted effort (by the very fine people that you voted for) to make trans people untermensch? There are a bunch of hateful fascists pushing across their local governments and private orgs to redefine trans people as dangerous sexual deviants that are coming for your children. 

 

24 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

As this is now a CR thread: the party of criminals and freaks has whipped this into a wedge issue. Three years ago, less than 30% of the country were concerned about this issue. That number has more than doubled since.

Bingo.  A few years back, nobody gave a shit.  Now, it's not just an issue, it is THE CENTRAL ISSUE IN NUMEROUS POLITICAL RACES WITH NATIONAL IMPLICATIONS.  Why?  Because one faction decided to MAKE it an issue.

And the language used goes FAR beyond "fairness in sports."  Groomers.  Pedophiles.  Predators.  Demonic.  The conversation and strategy is classic "create a 'threat' coming from some 'other/out' group" -- the "untermensch" approach.  A time-honored approach of hate.  The purpose here is to gin up trans people as a "threat to everything decent and to our very way of life," and then grab power on a platform of "and you need ME to protect you from this EVIL."

And you -- all of you who react to this as if it fucking matters -- took the fucking bait.  You swallowed it deep.

Those of us in the OTHER "out groups" who have been targets of this type of effort have always seen it for what it is.  Mexicans are over here nodding our heads....but you know, maybe SOME of us are "good people."  The bulk of us are murderers and rapists, though.  You need to give someone power who will protect you from the evil that is us brown folks.  And now, you ALSO need to give someone power to protect you from the evil that is.....Haitian refugees eating people's pets.  Spot a pattern here?  You know you do.  You know you've been taken, and been played.  But to admit it....well, you can never do that.  So, double down.  That's the new American Way.

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41 minutes ago, hornbri said:

Meanwhile - another school forfeited playing them (so now, Wyoming, Southern Utah, Boise State and Utah State). 

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/college/article/fourth-school-joins-wave-women-s-volleyball-19812157.php

132 years ago, Nebraska beat Missouri 1-0.  Missouri forfeited because Nebraska had a black player, George Flippin.  I am pretty proud of that victory.  (I had as much to do with it as I have with any victory since.) 

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35 minutes ago, troph said:

I think the fact that I am both the closest to this issue for one side of the debate and I have also outlined in three posts reasonable positions on this and I’ve received almost zero engagement from the no males in female sports crowd is pretty fucking telling. People like this as a wedge issue, they like having an existential threat to latch on to, they like having a crusade against others. It’s the human way. Like I said, not enough good faith here to find a reasonable solution. It makes me sad. Makes me want to take a break from humanity and this place, again. 

I asked you directly, here , what is your proposal for fairness. No response, from you or anyone else (I asked again to Dahobbbs).

The complaint about zero engagement fails if you yourself disengaged from the conversation. How you interpret peoples intention is your prerogative but with 10,000 posts ive never typed a single bad word against you (despite butting plenty of heads here).  If you assume I'm acting in bad faith then we're just wasting eachothers bandwidth here.

 

33 minutes ago, troph said:

Your starting position is that gender is fixed and immutable. It’s not. There are extreme outliers that took advantage of rules created out of fear and lack of forethought. Those rules need to be changed, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a real workable solution that alleviates concerns for all.

Nope. I explicitly referenced dimorphism upthread, and also "earnest" discretionary/social transition--how you choose to live and present is your choice and no business of mine. 

Where it comes into sports its just a matter of pragmatism for the rule to be based on birth. Its not pragmatic to.. what.. demand a lifelong biological passport? Authenticated medical history?

You said your measured profile matches squarely with females. Your last post to me said most men can't handle a Serena Wiliams serve. I don't see how either of those serve to invalidate the rule. If my RHR and VO2max is only equal to females my age, is it appropriate for me to enroll in female competition? If I cant handle a Serena Williams serve -- and i absolutely cannot -- is that license to abolish gendered segregation?

As said above, I'm still waiting to see a real workable solution proposed.

 

25 minutes ago, &#x27;stache said:

Nobody has said that, you’re the one glossing over shit to continue your disingenuous narrative. Troph and others have made clear that it deserves some attention and nuance when it comes to competitiveness, she’s said it multiple times. You choose to ignore it and it’s why people are rightfully inferring that you’re just one of millions of people who are using this as a pretext to simply undermine the very existence of transgendered persons.

The very example of ostracizing, scolding behavior as a deflection. Explain to me like it's Monday: what is my disingenuous narrative and my incentive for undermining the existence of people?

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Bingo.  A few years back, nobody gave a shit.  Now, it's not just an issue, it is THE CENTRAL ISSUE IN NUMEROUS POLITICAL RACES WITH NATIONAL IMPLICATIONS.  Why?  Because one faction decided to MAKE it an issue.

And the language used goes FAR beyond "fairness in sports."  Groomers.  Pedophiles.  Predators.  Demonic.  The conversation and strategy is classic "create a 'threat' coming from some 'other/out' group" -- the "untermensch" approach.  A time-honored approach of hate.  The purpose here is to gin up trans people as a "threat to everything decent and to our very way of life," and then grab power on a platform of "and you need ME to protect you from this EVIL."

And you -- all of you who react to this as if it fucking matters -- took the fucking bait.  You swallowed it deep.

Those of us in the OTHER "out groups" who have been targets of this type of effort have always seen it for what it is.  Mexicans are over here nodding our heads....but you know, maybe SOME of us are "good people."  The bulk of us are murderers and rapists, though.  You need to give someone power who will protect you from the evil that is us brown folks.  And now, you ALSO need to give someone power to protect you from the evil that is.....Haitian refugees eating people's pets.  Spot a pattern here?  You know you do.  You know you've been taken, and been played.  But to admit it....well, you can never do that.  So, double down.  That's the new American Way.

The Texas Constitution still says I, an atheist, can never hold public office in this state. One way or another, any of us can easily become a member of some out-group, which is why we should all fight for everyone else's rights.

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Just now, bolverk said:

The Texas Constitution still says I, an atheist, can never hold public office in this state. One way or another, any of us can easily become a member of some out-group, which is why we should all fight for everyone else's rights.

The funny thing is that the "leopards eating people's faces" bit is a universal truth.  The rule is this: Any movement based on attacking members of out-groups needs a constant and steady supply of out-groups to attack.  They will move from one group to the next, and then the next, and then the next....until they have to start deeming members of the in-group to be an out-group because they aren't sufficiently loyal to the core of the in-group.  That is ALWAYS how these movements end -- purging core members/believers who the folks at the top now deem insufficiently loyal/fanatical.

They are coming for you -- all of you -- because that's what they do.  These movements are like a plague of locusts -- they destroy, consume their target, then move on to the next one.  Believing that you are safe is stupidity of the highest order.

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