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The court hearing over this was wild. The defendants (the Government) have not taken any steps to comply with lawful court orders and maintain that things are being asked too quickly of them. 

If you click through, there's a whole minute by minute recap of the back and forth. It's apparent the government has not taken any measures to determine even if the plaintiff is alive or not. 

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Let’s put this in terms we can relate to:
Court: “Trump Regime, you snatched a Surly poster, a US citizen, off the street and sent him down to a Salvadoran gulag immediately. You now admit that you did. It have a legal basis or right to do so. Return him.”
Trump Regime: “Gee, sorry, we can’t.”
Court: “Provide me daily reports of your effort to get the Surly poster back.”
Trump Regime: “LOL OK. Here’s my report: we didn’t do shit.
Result: it is 100% allowed for the Regime to disappear anyone it wants, and there is no remedy.

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We need to send Noem to film another propaganda video there. Maybe she’ll see him.

One of the posters deftly observed that Trump has orchestrated a meeting with the El Salvadorian president on Monday, so they can claim executive privilege.

I think their response is proof the US cannot send prisoners there, if it wasnt already clearly in violation of several constitutional rights

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The notion that a college student presents potentially serious adverse foreign policy consequences for the United States is absurd. This isn't some asshole who gassed a bunch of people and is wanted for genocide in Europe and if we don't hand him over there's going to be problems. 

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33 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

I think their response is proof the US cannot send prisoners there, if it wasnt already clearly in violation of several constitutional rights

Oh, this is spot on.  You think our SCOTUS will ever issue a ruling that "shipping people detained in the US to foreign prisons that are out of our control, resulting in the US losing the ability to provide the requisite due process, is in and of itself a due process violation?"

Good.  Fucking.  Luck.

The Regime can do as it wishes.  There are no guardrails, there are no restraints.  The only way to guarantee yourself any "due process" anymore is to enforce your right with the barrel of a gun.  That's the rule: when society opts out of the Rule of Law, it necessarily opts into Rule of the Gun.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/12/us/jewish-groups-synagogues-ice-student-detentions.html

They are a group of progressive Jewish organizations and congregations, and they are coming to the defense of Rumeysa Ozturk, a Muslim graduate student at Tufts, who faces deportation after she helped write an essay critical of Israel.

The coalition includes synagogues in places like West Newton, Mass., San Francisco and the Upper West Side of New York, along with J-Street, a pro-Israel advocacy group. On Thursday, they filed a brief in federal court in Burlington, Vt., objecting to the tactics the government was using against Ms. Ozturk in the name of combating antisemitism.

In the brief, the groups argued she should be released from the Louisiana immigration detention center where she has been held for over two weeks, after masked immigration agents surrounded and arrested her on a street near her home in Somerville, Mass.

“Jewish people came to America to escape generations of similar predations,” the brief says. “Yet the images of Ozturk’s arrest in twenty-first century Massachusetts evoke the oppressive tactics employed by the authoritarian regimes that many ancestors of amici’s members left behind in Odessa, Kishinev, and Warsaw.”

There have been reports of almost 1,000 international students and scholars at universities across the country who have lost their legal status since mid-March, according to the Association of International Educators.

Anecdotally, the visas have typically been revoked with little or no notice and without telling the students what they might have done wrong. In some cases, students have committed legal infractions, like speeding or driving while drunk, according to universities and lawyers that are monitoring the revocations. But some have not. If the students do not leave voluntarily, they face deportation.

The Trump administration has defended the campaign, saying it is revoking the visas of students who have broken the law, who have engaged in antisemitic harassment and violence, who pose a threat to the foreign policy interests of the United States, or who are terrorist sympathizers. A few Jewish activists have applauded the effort, echoing the Trump administration’s mantra that “a visa is a privilege, not a right.”

But mainstream Jewish groups have expressed qualms about the crackdown, even while approving of the Trump administration’s focus on antisemitism.

As the number of students the Trump administration is targeting has grown, Jewish groups have said that while they may not like the views of pro-Palestinian students, they cannot condone students’ being swept up for vague reasons, without formal charges against them.

Ms. Ozturk’s detention followed the arrest two weeks earlier of Mahmoud Khalil, a Columbia University graduate who was a spokesman for pro-Palestinian protesters.

An immigration judge in Louisiana found on Friday that the Trump administration could deport Mr. Khalil. But he is still challenging the case in a separate court. In response to his case, the Boston chapter of Concerned Jewish Faculty & Staff wrote an open letter, titled “Not in Our Name,” that has been signed by nearly 3,000 faculty and staff members and students at universities across the United States.

“We are united in denouncing, without equivocation, anyone who invokes our name — and cynical claims of antisemitism — to harass, expel, arrest, or deport members of our campus communities,” the letter reads.

Sara Coodin, the director of academic affairs for the American Jewish Committee, said some federal interventions, including congressional investigations of antisemitism on campus, had been “transformative” in forcing universities to confront problems on their campuses.

But she said Ms. Ozturk’s case appeared to be “a clear disregard on the part of the federal government for the rights of people on U.S. soil to speak their minds.”

The only evidence that has surfaced against her is an opinion essay she co-wrote that was critical of Israel.

“The idea that someone can be pulled off the street for something they wrote, something they think, really affects as all, and we all need to fight back against that,” said Elaine Landes, a member of Congregation Dorshei Tzedek, a Reconstructionist synagogue in West Newton, Mass., that is one of the parties to the court brief.

“The whole push to fight antisemitism, to me, feels like we’re being used for another agenda, and that is not going to keep our community safe,” she said. “We need to look out for others.”

Ryan Bauer, senior rabbi at Congregation Emanu-El of San Francisco, another signatory, said he supported Ms. Ozturk even though he disagreed with her essay. In it, she pushed for Tufts to end financial ties with Israel and to recognize Israeli conduct in Gaza as a genocide.

“I don’t like her statements — I think they’re wrong,” Rabbi Bauer said. But, he added, he believes in free speech, and “the beauty of America is that we don’t all agree with each other.”

He said he felt so strongly that Ms. Ozturk’s detention violated Jewish values that he talked about it in a recent sermon.

“When you see the floor fall out from under her, it’s naïve to think that those cracks won’t eventually reach our feet,” he said.

A federal judge in Vermont, where Ms. Ozturk spent a night in custody before being sent to Louisiana, is scheduled to hear her habeas corpus petition for release from detention on Monday.

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They're refusing to return Abrego Garcia. And they're planning to start blackbagging natural-born citizen using the exact same method.

And yet the president bent over backwards to get Andrew Fuckin Tate back into the USA.

 

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On 4/9/2025 at 10:15 AM, Captainant said:

90% of deported people had no criminal record.

Where'd you go @ChickenSandwich and @futureman and @52-80? I thought yall were enjoying lack of due process. How bout you @DaggerHorns? You've disappeared now that there's more hard evidence of the shit you denied was happening 

Maybe they were black bagged and deported to a foreign prison? We can only hope. 

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1 hour ago, Captainant said:

our country is literally selling people into fucking slavery

@ChickenSandwich care to come comment? You've disappeared from the thread now that you're getting what you wanted

oh you, dont be silly 😋 lol...people are waaay too occupied fighting internally with their amygdalas to respond to this or anything else that's happened/happening. there's a reason ain't nobody saying shit about shit 🤣

 

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Just now, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I find it amusing that the worst of our right wing posters are no where to be found right now. Fucking cowards. 

A whole lot of this.

Also, the ones I do see showing up in various places are just repeating the lies promulgated in right wing media: all of these guys sent down there are violent criminal gang members! Kilmar Garcia was a member of MS-13! (Ignoring that 1) there has never been any such adjudication, and 2) even the Trump admin, in a fucking official court filing, admitted that he was nabbed and deported not because it was merited, but because of an "administrative error") etc. etc.

They can't help but lie.  The entire philosophy and approach is a mountain of lies, built on a foundation of hate, resulting in a sacred temple of fascist bullshit.  And they LIKE IT that way.  Every.  Single.  Right-winger here.  LIKES extrajudicial black-bagging of people, disappearing them into foreign prisons, without any due process.  

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Oh, and if anyone is upset at my characterization of the El Salvador concentration camp as a "concentration camp" - I'm simply applying the standard given by the US Holocaust museum

Generically defined, a concentration camp is a site for the detention of civilians whom a regime perceives to be a security risk of some sort. What distinguishes it from a prison (in the modern sense) is that incarceration in a concentration camp is independent of any judicial sentence or even indictment, and is not subject to judicial review.

 

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5 hours ago, Captainant said:

Oh, and if anyone is upset at my characterization of the El Salvador concentration camp as a "concentration camp" - I'm simply applying the standard given by the US Holocaust museum

Generically defined, a concentration camp is a site for the detention of civilians whom a regime perceives to be a security risk of some sort. What distinguishes it from a prison (in the modern sense) is that incarceration in a concentration camp is independent of any judicial sentence or even indictment, and is not subject to judicial review.

Or, let's just talk about whether constitutional protections, such as due process protections, are due to aliens/foreigners in the United States.

Let's ask noted bleeding heart liberal, super libtard......Antonin Scalia:

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Do the five freedoms mentioned in the First Amendment – freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly and petition – apply to undocumented immigrants?

“Oh I think so, I think anybody who’s present in the United States has protections under the United States Constitution,” said Scalia, the reliable conservative voice.

What a fucking pussy libtard that Scalia was.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Your past association with known PCP dealer Louis Winthorpe III is not going to do you any favors.

Yeah, but he is now an oligarch so its cool.

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AP: US judge questions Trump officials’ refusal to return Kilmar Abrego Garcia

Xinis ordered the U.S. on Friday to provide daily status updates on plans to return Abrego Garcia. The Trump administration responded Saturday that he was alive in the El Salvador prison. But it has only doubled down on its decision not to tell a federal court whether it has any plans to repatriate Abrego Garcia.

In a filing Tuesday afternoon, Trump administration attorneys said the U.S. government is prepared to facilitate his return to the U.S. But they said that his protection from being deported to El Salvador would be removed because they alleged he’s in MS-13. He would be deported back to El Salvador or to a third country, they said.

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In a filing with the U.S. District Court on Tuesday, Abrego Garcia’s lawyers cited Thursday’s order from the Supreme Court to facilitate his return.

“To give any meaning to the Supreme Court’s order, the Government should at least be required to request the release of Abrego Garcia,” the attorneys wrote. “To date, the Government has not done so.”

The attorneys also rejected the idea that the U.S. lacks the authority to retrieve him. They noted that the U.S. is paying El Salvador to hold prisoners, including Abrego Garcia, and “can exercise those same contractual rights to request their release.”

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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

They noted that the U.S. is paying El Salvador to hold prisoners, including Abrego Garcia, and “can exercise those same contractual rights to request their release.”

No fucking shit.  None of that fucking matters.  Words.  Papers.  Laws.  None of it matters anymore.  Not even a little bit.

There is only one thing that matters anymore:

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The Regime has them.  They can and will use them, or at least the threat of sending a shitload of them through you, to do whatever they want.

How are you situated for that?

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Wow, some solid journalism. It's too bad that @ChickenSandwich and @Rex Kramer and everyone else that was cheering this on is missing out on actual information.

TLDR: the ONLY person who claimed Abrego-Garcia was MS-13 was a dirty cop that was indicted just weeks after fraudulently arresting him

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2 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

So, I'm coming back into the country on Friday. Is the Surly law mafia ready to engage if I get detained?

whatever you do, do NOT let them see your surly posting history. smash your phone if you have to. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Oh, let's get back to Garcia again.  So, in actual court filings, and in the actual past court record related to him, 1) there is no finding that he was a member of MS-13, and in fact 2) he was allowed to stay because he was at risk FROM MS-13, and 3) the administration (via affidavit, not just a statement by a lawyer) admitted his deportation was "an administrative error."

What did the administration say yesterday in a press conference, some things for the first time?  1) He is a terrorist, 2) he is a member of MS-13, and 3) he is a human trafficker.

Are there any findings by any adjudicative body of any of these things?  NOPE.  The admin just.....says so.  The human trafficking allegation (with zero evidence) was stated for the first time at a fucking press conference yesterday.

Has the administration put forth ANY evidence to substantiate its claims?   NOPE.

So let's be clear.  The administration, without offering ANY evidence, in ANY venue or forum (public, private, court, etc.) can declare you (yes, YOU) to be a "terrorist" and "human trafficker," and then....do whatever the fuck it wants to you.  What is the proof that you are those things?  Well...the administration says so.  That's enough.

Everything that all the people freaking out about "the deep state" claimed to be afraid of now exists....and they fucking EMBRACE it.

One thing that's pretty shocking, the judgments from the Immigration Court and Board of Immigration Appeals on A G's original removal case are shockingly thin.  "Someone said he was in MS-13."  Although they did state that it was a "known and reliable source," apparently the indicted cop above.

So, that's the kind of due process immigrants receive here.

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20 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

One thing that's pretty shocking, the judgments from the Immigration Court and Board of Immigration Appeals on A G's original removal case are shockingly thin.  "Someone said he was in MS-13."  Although they did state that it was a "known and reliable source," apparently the indicted cop above.

So, that's the kind of due process immigrants receive here.

Yeah dude, we're shipping them to fucking conentration camps. No fuckin shit they're not getting any due process. The fascists have figured out how to weaponize the legal system to slow their enemies and accelerate their own schemes. @Frank Drebin has been casting all sorts of accusations of "lawfare" and wouldn't ya know it, there's the lawfare in action now. It's just being applied against the general population, and the good deacon's enemies in particular

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31 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

One thing that's pretty shocking, the judgments from the Immigration Court and Board of Immigration Appeals on A G's original removal case are shockingly thin.  "Someone said he was in MS-13."  Although they did state that it was a "known and reliable source," apparently the indicted cop above.

So, that's the kind of due process immigrants receive here.

Having some hands on experience in the field, I’m a bit more of an immigration hawk.  I think it’s undebatable that we’ve been allowing some extremely questionable asylum claims to be processed for a long time frame with some undeniable negative outcomes.  
 

It’s also true that removing someone who has entered the U.S.irregularly to their home country is not a judicial punishment, it’s an administrative action and requires a much lower threshold. I don’t think the government needs to show “beyond a reasonable doubt” to remove an alien and the law agrees.  I also happen to think that we have long needed more robust resources to decide and dispose of these claims and cases to close the questionable asylum claim route.
 

That said this case is outrageous because first, the government acted contrary to its own administrative decision whether it was “correct” or not. Second, sending someone to an extraterritorial penal colony IS extrajudicial punishment and should not be allowed at all. It’s a reprehensible human rights violation. 
 

If we ever do return to a more normal politics, this is all going to blow up and make vigorous immigration enforcement politically impossible. That is in some sense the goal as there are multiple factions who benefit from a never-solved “migration crisis.” 

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Let's not forget about Rumeysa Ozturk who had her day in court yesterday (hits close to home as she was kidnapped about 2.75 miles from my house). The defense was a habeas corpus petition for Constitutional violations by the government. While the government did a lot of hand waving "wrong state", "our fault you didn't know which state, but doesn't matter" etc.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/14/us/rumeysa-ozturk-arrest-update-tufts-university/index.html

As noted over the weekend even the State Dept knew she had no links to any sort of antisemitism or terrorism. Her only "crime" was writing an op-ed in the student paper speaking out against the University's response to the Israel-Gaza war.

https://wapo.st/4iouvuJ

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If you guys are looking to put some money out there to help immigrants, may I suggest the EDSBS/ShutownFullcast Charity Bowl?  Every year they do this for American Pathways, which is a resettlement group.  They are obviously having a hard time as funding has been cut by the government and there is a lot of uncertainty.  Last year, I think they raised over $1M through this drive and are trying to surpass that.

Since this is a college football (former) blog and podcast, they track it by school and have rivalries.  Right now, A&M is beating our ass ($47K to $4K), so let's get that number up.  https://www.moneycannon.org/?t=leaderboard

They also encourage your donation to be a number that has meaning to the college football fandom.  For instance, I put up $490 a couple years ago in honor of 49-0 over OU.  People do rushing yards, pass completions, etc etc.  

Anyway, if you're so inclined, it is greatly appreciated by this charity and the immigrants that depend on it:

https://fundraise.givesmart.com/e/k-yA-Q?vid=1iywsc

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Posted
1 minute ago, Ghost of NMAS said:

So the US should issue a level 4 travel advisory for itself?

Weird how they're always telling on themselves. There's gotta be a psychiatric evaluation that describes the symptom.

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22 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

So, I'm coming back into the country on Friday. Is the Surly law mafia ready to engage if I get detained?

nm - too late

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2 hours ago, Chopper said:

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1 hour ago, Chopper said:

Weird how they're always telling on themselves. There's gotta be a psychiatric evaluation that describes the symptom.

 

Every accusation is a confession

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21 hours ago, Captainant said:

Wow, some solid journalism. It's too bad that @ChickenSandwich and @Rex Kramer and everyone else that was cheering this on is missing out on actual information.

TLDR: the ONLY person who claimed Abrego-Garcia was MS-13 was a dirty cop that was indicted just weeks after fraudulently arresting him

whose side are y'all on? he's ms-31! which if my math is correct, is like two and a half times worse than ms-13.

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32 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

whose side are y'all on? he's ms-31! which if my math is correct, is like two and a half times worse than ms-13.

MS-31 flavors

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On 4/15/2025 at 1:36 PM, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

So, I'm coming back into the country on Friday. Is the Surly law mafia ready to engage if I get detained?

I found that I needed to reacquaint myself with the $800 duty free limit. It hasn't been raised since 2015 so it's awfully low. The cbp dude at EWR was quite an asshole as he played a little game of gotcha. (Didn't have any issues in January at DFW, nor in October at DEN.)

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4 hours ago, royiv said:

MS-31 flavors

Those are all fronts for cartel money laundering via supposed ice cream sales. Look no further than the TCBY on MLK for supporting evidence. Yes, MS-31 Flavors and TCBY are both in on the grift.

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2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

Those are all fronts for cartel money laundering via supposed ice cream sales. Look no further than the TCBY on MLK for supporting evidence. Yes, MS-31 Flavors and TCBY are both in on the grift.

Now this, this is I believe 

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10 hours ago, Stringer said:

If you guys are looking to put some money out there to help immigrants, may I suggest the EDSBS/ShutownFullcast Charity Bowl?  Every year they do this for American Pathways, which is a resettlement group.  They are obviously having a hard time as funding has been cut by the government and there is a lot of uncertainty.  Last year, I think they raised over $1M through this drive and are trying to surpass that.

Since this is a college football (former) blog and podcast, they track it by school and have rivalries.  Right now, A&M is beating our ass ($47K to $4K), so let's get that number up.  https://www.moneycannon.org/?t=leaderboard

They also encourage your donation to be a number that has meaning to the college football fandom.  For instance, I put up $490 a couple years ago in honor of 49-0 over OU.  People do rushing yards, pass completions, etc etc.  

Anyway, if you're so inclined, it is greatly appreciated by this charity and the immigrants that depend on it:

https://fundraise.givesmart.com/e/k-yA-Q?vid=1iywsc

Follow edsbs on bluesky for some hilarious updates. There are still some OU fans giving $77.00 for their score against A&M. I once gave $62.79 for RIckey's yardage total.

 

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11 hours ago, Stringer said:

Right now, A&M is beating our ass ($47K to $4K), so let's get that number up

Yeah, not saying I don’t believe you, but I don’t believe you. Aggy doesn’t seem the type to give a ton of money to help immigrants. 

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