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Much like those wetting their pants over the losses, I think anyone definitively claiming that this is all for the best are speaking too soon.

We only have half of the necessary data points at this juncture, any concrete conclusions (for better or worse) about our 2026 roster cannot yet be drawn.

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9 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Much like those wetting their pants over the losses, I think anyone definitively claiming that this is all for the best are speaking too soon.

We only have half of the necessary data points at this juncture, any concrete conclusions (for better or worse) about our 2026 roster cannot yet be drawn.

Could it all go to shit? Sure. But the Muschamp hire is great and an awesome data point that we aren’t fucking around and we got this and understand the parameters of the game now. I’m going to choose to be gruntled and optimistic right now and save panic until at least 1/10/2026.

28 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Much like those wetting their pants over the losses, I think anyone definitively claiming that this is all for the best are speaking too soon.

We only have half of the necessary data points at this juncture, any concrete conclusions (for better or worse) about our 2026 roster cannot yet be drawn.

Look at Chuckie over here trying to speak logic and reason to the Surli-ites.

14 minutes ago, MIkeHoncho said:

Look at Chuckie over here trying to speak logic and reason to the Surli-ites.

Death to Surliites! Surli is the only true way. Praise Earl!

53 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Could it all go to shit? Sure. But the Muschamp hire is great and an awesome data point that we aren’t fucking around and we got this and understand the parameters of the game now. I’m going to choose to be gruntled and optimistic right now and save panic until at least 1/10/2026.

to be fair letterkenny problems GIF

You were pretty sure 3 loss Texas was in the playoffs…

OTOH, I agree that letting Wisner go is the right thing.

LL DID make some game changing plays and was a more than solid backup to Ant Hill and TSmith, and good programs need those types of players. Can’t pay em big $$ though.

1 minute ago, lilMAC25 said:

to be fair letterkenny problems GIF

You were pretty sure 3 loss Texas was in the playoffs…

OTOH, I agree that letting Wisner go is the right thing.

LL DID make some game changing plays and was a more than solid backup to Ant Hill and TSmith, and good programs need those types of players. Can’t pay em big $$ though.

Predictions are hard, especially about the future.

1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Much like those wetting their pants over the losses, I think anyone definitively claiming that this is all for the best are speaking too soon.

We only have half of the necessary data points at this juncture, any concrete conclusions (for better or worse) about our 2026 roster cannot yet be drawn.

Once upon a time there was a Chinese farmer who lost a horse.

And all the neighbors came around that evening and said "That's too bad."

And he said "Maybe."

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1 hour ago, Chuckie Finster said:

We only have half of the necessary data points at this juncture, any concrete conclusions (for better or worse) about our 2026 roster cannot yet be drawn.

Sure, but you gotta do it like that.

When I saw Connor Stroh run out onto the field versus Ohio State in Game 1 I said, "Oh, fuck... we're screwed. Why is he starting? Is someone hurt? Surely he's not the actual starter." to the wife, who didn't care and wasn't paying attention. Assuming a certain amount of dispassionate analysis, knowing with a given amount of certainty you're fucked at a position is worse than having at least some semblance of confidence that you might not be fucked. Or something.

So you jettison the guy you know can't do it, and maybe the next guy can't either, but maybe he can. And if you replace enough of those cannots with enough maybes you can be confident in improvement. I took statistics like 50 years go so I know this stuff.

17 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Predictions are hard, especially about the future.

Predictions aren’t hard, Counselor.

Making ACCURATE predictions is hard.

Anyways, I was more pointing out that you are a rampant optimist when it comes to Texas and that colors your predictions. Nothing wrong with that either.

23 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Predictions are hard, especially about the future.

To be fair, your prediction a 3 loss Texas would make the playoffs wasnt a bad one. It took a lot of games breaking against us to prevent us from getting in. In a year with a normal amount of chaos, Texas makes the CFP.

3 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

IT said they are back on portal watch for Cruz and Kibble

Ugh!!

Kibble maybe, but losing Cruz would be a mistake, based on everything we’ve heard. Robertson was solid, no doubt but if Cruz truly has the higher ceiling, then it’s on the staff to develop him. He’s been here three years already. At some point, that’s on coaching.

1 minute ago, D3zii said:

Ugh!!

Kibble maybe, but losing Cruz would be a mistake, based on everything we’ve heard. Robertson was solid, no doubt but if Cruz truly has the higher ceiling, then it’s on the staff to develop him. He’s been here three years already. At some point, that’s on coaching.

Literally everything we've heard this season has been that he doesn't love football

5 minutes ago, D3zii said:

Cruz truly has the higher ceiling, then it’s on the staff to develop him. He’s been here three years already. At some point, that’s on coaching.

He’s a redshirt freshman

3 hours ago, Professor Chesney said:

I do think an “agent” would be dumb enough to think this would be a great idea that would totally work.

Yesterday on OTF Bobby insinuated that Wisner is being “represented” by someone who is not an actual agent. He said something about his rep being very young in more ways than just age. So someone who has no f***ing clue what they are doing is trying to extort Texas for more money for his “client” based on some fantasy land perception of market value. Smart business says to tell that player and his rep to pound sand 10x out of 10. They are under some illusion they are calling Texas’ bluff…I don’t think Texas is bluffing. Hey Tre, here’s what you’re worth, take it or leave it.

Very laughable article from CJ this morning.

CJ Vogel

Posted 5 hours ago

I spent a lot of Friday tracking down some of the specifics that went into the surprising decision from Texas running back Tre Wisner to enter the portal the day after Christmas.

While I had been consistent throughout the month in my reporting of Wisner's impending decision, do not get me wrong, the choice was a surprise. And it was upsetting to a degree. 

A former three-star recruit who earned a spot on the field through determination and opportunity, Wisner never looked back in the 2024 when he rushed for 1000+ yards and etched his name into Longhorn Lore with performances against Texas A&M and Oklahoma.

I could go on about Wisner, but ultimately the reason we are here is for the why in regards to the decision to leave Texas.

Speaking with multiple sources involved, this is the best I am able to convey what happened behind the scenes:

Yes, there was a hefty initial asking price from Wisner. The $1 million dollar price tag continues to be mentioned. Like in all negotiations, I think you start high and ultimately reach and middle ground. That's what I think happened here. Or at least that's what the initial intention was.

Now, a $1 million dollar price is very steep. There aren't many players in college football who eclipse that mark. Additionally, there certainly is not as many on the Texas roster who make two commas than the outside world would lead you to believe.

Was Texas ever going to reach $1 million price tag? No shot. Were they going to come close? Probably not. But from the perspective of Wisner's camp, Texas needed to come close.

Especially considering the report from a week ago that Texas was floating $1.5 million to Florida running back Jadan Baugh to enter the portal and transfer. While that’s not true, it set the precedent for RB1 money and that’s where Wisner’s camp believed he should be.

I believe the Baugh rumors played a factor into believing the number returned from Texas was a lowball. On top of that, it was hard to not hear the reports or murmurs of Texas paying big money for a five-star freshman in high school as well.

A few things with the player-coaches-general manager meetings that have been occurring over the last week-plus. I was told that Wisner and Texas were set to meet on Thursday of last week, which was the same day Texas hired Will Muschamp.

Originally I was led to think Wisner was going to be present for that meeting, but come to find out the conversation was only between folks from Texas and Wisner's representatives.

I add that to lead into the two weeks following the Texas A&M game bothered Wisner to an extent. From two different sources, Texas never sat down with Wisner to lay out a plan for the 2026 season which did not sit well with him. With all the noise of using the portal to bring in a "bell cow" back, there remained a sense of being overlooked from Wisner's camp. All Wisner had done was accumulate 1700 yards and lead the team in rushing for two straight years and that was not being appreciated in their eyes.

One source indicated that by not laying out a plan and sitting down with Wisner, Texas was showing Wisner the door – which after the initial demand, perhaps they were.

Through all of this, Wisner wanted to stay to Texas. 

Texas concluded with a final number which was a six figure bump from his 2025 contract. Still, that did not suffice following the lack of communication that played out. At least not from Wisner’s camp.

Following the announcement of the portal, I was told it hit Wisner pretty hard. He had earned a significant role at Texas and become one of the favorites in the locker room and for fans in burnt orange everywhere.   

The NFL remains on the table for Wisner I have heard. 

One team that I had heard showed immediate interest in Wisner following his portal announcement was Texas A&M, who wasted no time getting in contact with folks in his circle to express interest.


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I dont think Richland has ever had a good player. If that dude cared about football he'd have played at Trinity

2 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

All hail creative destruction.

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38 minutes ago, Teryor said:

Literally everything we've heard this season has been that he doesn't love football

From one person who is the same guy who said Akina was a great hire and Kenny Baker was a disaster who couldn't recruit.

He may or may not give a shit. But need more than the word of one person. Especially one that is wrong most of the time.

Some dumb mofos around here.

I think the Wisner is great against rivals thing is very overblown honestly. His patience and vision are perfectly suited to gash the type of defense ou and atm play. If he had cutback lanes like that all the time, he would go off every week. Only a handful of teams on the schedule do that though. When defenses don't aggressively over-pursue, he magically doesn't look like an All American. That article from CJ strengthens the scuttlebutt that his agent is inexperienced and doesn't have realistic expectations of how much Wisner can get. Wisner is borderline draftable. He's not worth 2/3 of the imaginary Baugh offer that the agent assumed was accurate.

Our success next year will not hinge on our ability to make ruthless decisions. It will hinge in our ability to sign the elite free agents we target. Historically we have had success at certain positions because we haz the monies. Do we have the same financial advantage that we have had in previous years when other teams have gotten on board with NIL and paying players or have a select mega donor or two that front top of the line spending for the best talent?

If we fill out our transfer portal options like we did last year we will likely come to regret losing a LL or a Wisner. If we continue to be ruthless, make great decisions, and close well with elite recruits than no one is going to lose sleep over losing Wisner

They have a guy using a prom photo for his head shot on that website. It looks like someone spent 10 minutes putting the entire thing together.

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5 minutes ago, kevwun said:

They have a guy using a prom photo for his head shot on that website. It looks like someone spent 10 minutes putting the entire thing together.

Garrett is a former Division 3 Football Player at Grinnell College, where he is currently finishing up his senior year of undergraduate.

I hope he got class credits for making their website.

It feels like a very shortsighted decision by Wisner. He was already in "never needs to by a drink in Austin" territory. Now he's going to be remembered for bailing when his outrageous demands weren't met.

And if he goes to aggy, after turning down a six-figure bump in pay to finish at Texas, well.....

35 minutes ago, deech said:

Our success next year will not hinge on our ability to make ruthless decisions. It will hinge in our ability to sign the elite free agents we target. Historically we have had success at certain positions because we haz the monies. Do we have the same financial advantage that we have had in previous years when other teams have gotten on board with NIL and paying players or have a select mega donor or two that front top of the line spending for the best talent?

If we fill out our transfer portal options like we did last year we will likely come to regret losing a LL or a Wisner. If we continue to be ruthless, make great decisions, and close well with elite recruits than no one is going to lose sleep over losing Wisner

The ruthless decisions give us the dry powder and roster space to get those elite free agents.

49 minutes ago, Red Five said:

It feels like a very shortsighted decision by Wisner. He was already in "never needs to by a drink in Austin" territory. Now he's going to be remembered for bailing when his outrageous demands weren't met.

And if he goes to aggy, after turning down a six-figure bump in pay to finish at Texas, well.....

I dunno. Everyone here lines up to praise Texas for being ruthless with these decisions but that works both ways. Wisner's not much of an NFL prospect so I can understand his desire to maximize his earnings from college. It's too bad that's not at Texas, but this is the way the world works now.

2 hours ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

To be fair, your prediction a 3 loss Texas would make the playoffs wasnt a bad one. It took a lot of games breaking against us to prevent us from getting in. In a year with a normal amount of chaos, Texas makes the CFP.

I also said probably. I would say that was right but we got placed behind byu so, I guess, there was no way this committee was ever going to put us in.

2 hours ago, lilMAC25 said:

Predictions aren’t hard, Counselor.

Making ACCURATE predictions is hard.

Anyways, I was more pointing out that you are a rampant optimist when it comes to Texas and that colors your predictions. Nothing wrong with that either.

Ha. I’m not actually a rampant optimist I’m a contrarian and against majority opinion. It’s just everyone on here is so pessimistic it brings out the optimist in me. My mom has called me Eyeore since I was a little kid. Shes always talking about making lemonade and other positive and happy shit.

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Very laughable article from CJ this morning.

CJ Vogel

Posted 5 hours ago

I spent a lot of Friday tracking down some of the specifics that went into the surprising decision from Texas running back Tre Wisner to enter the portal the day after Christmas.

While I had been consistent throughout the month in my reporting of Wisner's impending decision, do not get me wrong, the choice was a surprise. And it was upsetting to a degree. 

A former three-star recruit who earned a spot on the field through determination and opportunity, Wisner never looked back in the 2024 when he rushed for 1000+ yards and etched his name into Longhorn Lore with performances against Texas A&M and Oklahoma.

I could go on about Wisner, but ultimately the reason we are here is for the why in regards to the decision to leave Texas.

Speaking with multiple sources involved, this is the best I am able to convey what happened behind the scenes:

Yes, there was a hefty initial asking price from Wisner. The $1 million dollar price tag continues to be mentioned. Like in all negotiations, I think you start high and ultimately reach and middle ground. That's what I think happened here. Or at least that's what the initial intention was.

Now, a $1 million dollar price is very steep. There aren't many players in college football who eclipse that mark. Additionally, there certainly is not as many on the Texas roster who make two commas than the outside world would lead you to believe.

Was Texas ever going to reach $1 million price tag? No shot. Were they going to come close? Probably not. But from the perspective of Wisner's camp, Texas needed to come close.

Especially considering the report from a week ago that Texas was floating $1.5 million to Florida running back Jadan Baugh to enter the portal and transfer. While that’s not true, it set the precedent for RB1 money and that’s where Wisner’s camp believed he should be.

I believe the Baugh rumors played a factor into believing the number returned from Texas was a lowball. On top of that, it was hard to not hear the reports or murmurs of Texas paying big money for a five-star freshman in high school as well.

A few things with the player-coaches-general manager meetings that have been occurring over the last week-plus. I was told that Wisner and Texas were set to meet on Thursday of last week, which was the same day Texas hired Will Muschamp.

Originally I was led to think Wisner was going to be present for that meeting, but come to find out the conversation was only between folks from Texas and Wisner's representatives.

I add that to lead into the two weeks following the Texas A&M game bothered Wisner to an extent. From two different sources, Texas never sat down with Wisner to lay out a plan for the 2026 season which did not sit well with him. With all the noise of using the portal to bring in a "bell cow" back, there remained a sense of being overlooked from Wisner's camp. All Wisner had done was accumulate 1700 yards and lead the team in rushing for two straight years and that was not being appreciated in their eyes.

One source indicated that by not laying out a plan and sitting down with Wisner, Texas was showing Wisner the door – which after the initial demand, perhaps they were.

Through all of this, Wisner wanted to stay to Texas. 

Texas concluded with a final number which was a six figure bump from his 2025 contract. Still, that did not suffice following the lack of communication that played out. At least not from Wisner’s camp.

Following the announcement of the portal, I was told it hit Wisner pretty hard. He had earned a significant role at Texas and become one of the favorites in the locker room and for fans in burnt orange everywhere.   

The NFL remains on the table for Wisner I have heard. 

One team that I had heard showed immediate interest in Wisner following his portal announcement was Texas A&M, who wasted no time getting in contact with folks in his circle to express interest.


It adds up to a certain degree. Wisner's ego got involved, he felt disrespected, asked for a big number, got rebuffed on that, didn't attend future meetings, heard the talk about bringing in a bell cow, and it all snowballed.

I think Wisner and his team misread his position with the team and didn't like reality.

My guy at ou is saying Nagy and Tre's representatives are talking and that they will meet once the portal opens fwiw.

59 minutes ago, texifornia said:

The ruthless decisions give us the dry powder and roster space to get those elite free agents.

It’s literally stunning that anyone could type out what you responded to.

1 minute ago, Thiefery said:

My guy at ou is saying Nagy and Tre's representatives are talking and that they will meet once the portal opens fwiw.

It's OU sucks, surely the deal has already been made. It wouldn't be OU sucks unless they are cheating.

I encourage everyone to listen to the latest IT podcast on how we replace Wisner. They go over his advanced stats which were among the worst in all of college football.

7 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

I encourage everyone to listen to the latest IT podcast on how we replace Wisner. They go over his advanced stats which were among the worst in all of college football.

But probably the best on the team

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2 hours ago, D3zii said:

Ugh!!

Kibble maybe, but losing Cruz would be a mistake, based on everything we’ve heard. Robertson was solid, no doubt but if Cruz truly has the higher ceiling, then it’s on the staff to develop him. He’s been here three years already. At some point, that’s on coaching.

Remember Tyler Johnson who was way more interested in becoming a rapper than a guard? Well, I hope Cruz has a rap career to fall back on because he doesn’t give a fuck about football. Super disappointing, I blame Gerry for building up my personal hype on him

1 hour ago, texifornia said:

The ruthless decisions give us the dry powder and roster space to get those elite free agents.

Exactly this. Everyone loves spending other peoples money based on sentiment instead of results. Has Texas lost a single player to the portal that it ever regretted? Has anyone on this board ever said “damn, how did we let that guy leave in the portal. What a mistake.” I can’t think of a single one personally.

Imagine watching Texas running back room last year and being upset that it’s getting a complete tear down. Now go a step further and imagine paying nearly 2 million for that same RB room that needed a complete tear down. Take a long hard look at your bank account then in good conscience sign the check because “he’s the rival killer”. Texas will be upgrading the RB room massively and we can get sentimental about the next guy when he skull fucks everyone on the schedule, not just aggy

30 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

Through all of this, Wisner wanted to stay to Texas. 

No, he didn't, per his actions

We had the worst RB room in the SEC despite spending more than 2M on players. Thats an indictment on Choice’s evaluations and our allocation of resources. It had to be torn down to the studs and rebuilt. This is a great development for Texas.

26 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

My guy at ou is saying Nagy and Tre's representatives are talking and that they will meet once the portal opens fwiw.

I’ll think always have a soft spot for Wisner but that may be tested if I see him in that jersey. Either way, he isn’t scary in the slightest in that offense.

23 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

We had the worst RB room in the SEC despite spending more than 2M on players. Thats an indictment on Choice’s evaluations and our allocation of resources. It had to be torn down to the studs and rebuilt. This is a great development for Texas.

"Choice good"

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Boy, when Wulaw gets on one of his sunshine-pumping heaters, look the fuck out. It gets contagious and suddenly the board is convinced that Texas has a grand plan and, just like PeeWee Herman, meant to do that.

I’m hopeful, but I’ve heard enough bullshit over the last few years that ultimately failed to materialize with the portal that I remain from Missouri until Brandon Harris and Steven & 5 prove otherwise.

We are shedding a ton of dead weight. I’m sad about wisner because he ran hard he was just small. Same with LL. The others whatever. It will be doom and gloom if we strike out in the portal. We have a fuck ton of need and the high impact players in portal will all be bidding wars and we seen tech go all in and win I hope we aren’t cheap and not afraid to go all in for arch’s final season

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