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26 minutes ago, dcbc said:

For those of you who have relatives who think this was cloud "seating," I got nothing.

But Max does
 

I’ve seen a ton of clips coming out from weathermen and women, YouTube weather, all slamming the cloud seeding crowd.  Texas storm chasers too and boy are there some mouth breathers on there.  
 

Good on them, but won’t change their minds.  These are flat earthers we are dealing with.  

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40 minutes ago, HalfSack Horn said:

I’ve seen a ton of clips coming out from weathermen and women, YouTube weather, all slamming the cloud seeding crowd.  Texas storm chasers too and boy are there some mouth breathers on there.  
 

Good on them, but won’t change their minds.  These are flat earthers we are dealing with.  

Yeah.  I know.  But just got to savor the good moments of straight forward information, followed by a Mi-T-fine finger-wagging.

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


True. And a perfect encapsulation of this state’s priorities that are fucked up to the point of being pure evil.

I found the pictures to be perfect...

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Praise, Jesus?

 

/a guy I went to high school with was Max long before the internet was a thing.  He went on to survive the second tower collapse during 9/11 (as an aside).

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Posted
2 hours ago, Tonesky said:

Texas Monthly
Litigation - even expensive litigation - ending 13-14 years ago, should not be a factor in this tragedy.  Certainly, no impact on government failures.  And, hard to imagine it prevented them from staying up and remaining plugged in, posting a watchman, etc. on a night that called for it.

What's the over/under on this conversation taking place last Thursday night?  "I've been running this goddamn camp for 52 years and no one knows this goddamn excuse ofr a river better than me. There ain't going to be no goddamn flood. I'm gonna finish this goodamn bottle and hit the bunk." 

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2 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

What's the over/under on this conversation taking place last Thursday night?  "I've been running this goddamn camp for 52 years and no one knows this goddamn excuse ofr a river better than me. There ain't going to be no goddamn flood. I'm gonna finish this goodamn bottle and hit the bunk." 

'bout tree-fiddy.

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Posted
5 hours ago, chainsaw said:

dumb and dumber thread GIF

Page 14, there's a guy saying if you take this money and aren't in compliance the federal government will take their homes and make them get Covid vaccines. 

We really need to address mental health issues in this country. 

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Mez2 said:

I posted in another thread, but felt appropriate here too after this comment.

I love being a Texan. Growing up, it was a matter of pride but recently it seems, especially as I've gotten older and have a family, its hard to have that same rah-rah sentiments and unwavering state pride. I'm not fucking leaving my state, but, yes, we do deserve better. 

https://www.theringer.com/2025/07/10/politics/texas-flooding-disaster-kerrville-greg-abbott-donald-trump

 

I love Texas the place, but Republicans have destroyed its governance to the point that if I didn't have family here, I'd move.

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15 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

What's the over/under on this conversation taking place last Thursday night?  "I've been running this goddamn camp for 52 years and no one knows this goddamn excuse ofr a river better than me. There ain't going to be no goddamn flood. I'm gonna finish this goodamn bottle and hit the bunk." 

Doesn't sound like what I know of Dick Eastland.  I didn't know the man, myself, but I know a fair number of people that do, whose judgment I respect and they all say he's a very kind, humble man.

Some of that litigation story belies that a little bit, but I think when something that is a labor of love starts to pay off, people can get a little off-center.

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I love Texas the place, but Republicans have destroyed its governance to the point that if I didn't have family here, I'd move.

There's an idea of a Texan in the past 60 years (minus 20--30?), which @Brisketexan has mentioned.  It's an independently, tough-yet-open-minded sort.  Some of us get 2/3 of those still  But That's my remaining love for the State, apart from the fact that the State pays me for doing good, state things.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Page 14, there's a guy saying if you take this money and aren't in compliance the federal government will take their homes and make them get Covid vaccines. 

We really need to address mental health issues in this country. 

It's not a mental health issue per se.  Most people aren't mentally ill.  It's mostly a function of a large swath of the population that is poorly educated and easily manipulated by bad actors.  This is what happens when every adult gets a vote -- those votes can be manipulated.  Maybe the left could try a little manipulation now that it's too fucking late?

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Posted
Not looking forward to the next creative method this state comes up with to kill a bunch of kids.

They will be in the fields and factories and no OSHA. This is Texas.
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32 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

What's the over/under on this conversation taking place last Thursday night?  "I've been running this goddamn camp for 52 years and no one knows this goddamn excuse ofr a river better than me. There ain't going to be no goddamn flood. I'm gonna finish this goodamn bottle and hit the bunk." 

I’m pretty sure he had been pushing for sirens as recently as this year. 

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Posted
29 minutes ago, Da Fino said:

I’m pretty sure he had been pushing for sirens as recently as this year. 

A lack of sirens wasn’t the problem. A lack of urgency and simple precautionary methods was. 

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2 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

A lack of sirens wasn’t the problem. A lack of urgency and simple precautionary methods was. 

Sirens are a last line of defense. Agree with you, but add the failure to communicate.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

A lack of sirens wasn’t the problem. A lack of urgency and simple precautionary methods was. 

They certainly wouldn’t have hurt for many of the areas in this instance. 

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Posted
6 hours ago, wood said:

Re: that CBS video, I'd love to watch it. You got a link? 

Re: the Counselors, my kid, the middle class son of a teacher and a firefighter, was a camp counselor at Camp Longhorn when he was 16 -18. Part of the appeal was getting to be at a camp we couldn't afford to send him to at the time. He had never been to any camp other than Baylor's fucked up, shitty hoops camp, so he had no experience and his training was on the job. He worked his ass off, learned a lot, and had a blast, but at least at first, he had no training at all other than the sexual conduct training, some videos, and then a meeting for a few hours just before 'active duty'. He was working under a more experienced, older camp counselor who he reported to.

Sorry, I have searched CBS News several times now with no luck.  It was on the revolving one that comes through the internet several times a day, not of the actual airwaves or like CBS morning or evening news.  

 

 

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Not to derail the thread, but who exactly are the State Police?  What jurisdiction do they serve and how much power do they hold?   I sure have been seeing a lot of cars and trucks lately marked as police but with no indication of what city they serve.  Might be better in the ICE thread.  But this is one of the trucks sent to respond in Kerr Co.

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Posted
53 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Not looking forward to the next creative method this state comes up with to kill a bunch of kids.

Place your bets:

1.  School field trip to Blue Bell ending in another listeria outbreak.

2.  Tornado in College Station during Yell Leader Summer Camp

3.  Runaway Zamboni at the Galleria Ice Rink during Christmas "All Skate".  

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Posted
15 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

Not to derail the thread, but who exactly are the State Police?  What jurisdiction do they serve and how much power do they hold?   I sure have been seeing a lot of cars and trucks lately marked as police but with no indication of what city they serve.  Might be better in the ICE thread.  But this is one of the trucks sent to respond in Kerr Co.

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Yeah, I don't think I've ever seen "State Police" on anything official from Texas. Did you check the plates?

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3 hours ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Sounds like Republicans are starting their “not our fault” campaign to me.

....which, in this chain of command, would pass the buck to "God". Praise be to Him, though his mass murdering ways shall somehow un-besmirch his glory and perfection, Amen. 

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44 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

Sorry, I have searched CBS News several times now with no luck.  It was on the revolving one that comes through the internet several times a day, not of the actual airwaves or like CBS morning or evening news.  

No worries! News cycle flies these days.

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1 hour ago, TreatyOak said:

A lack of sirens wasn’t the problem. A lack of urgency and simple precautionary methods was. 

Mo Ranch has entered the chat:

https://nypost.com/2025/07/08/us-news/mo-ranch-summer-camp-safely-evacuated-70-staying-along-river-ahead-of-deadly-flooding/
 

Two things can be true at the same time. Eastland could have been a great guy who did a lot of good things for kids as well as got complacent and dropped the ball when he needed to be on the top of his game. 

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“He’s a great guy. Only thing I have against him is that whole ‘negligence leading to the death of dozens of little girls’ thing.”  
 

im sure he had impacted many lives in a positive way, but this disaster will be what he is remembered for by most. Fair or not. 

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50 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

Mo Ranch has entered the chat:

https://nypost.com/2025/07/08/us-news/mo-ranch-summer-camp-safely-evacuated-70-staying-along-river-ahead-of-deadly-flooding/

Two things can be true at the same time. Eastland could have been a great guy who did a lot of good things for kids as well as got complacent and dropped the ball when he needed to be on the top of his game. 

Well said, but please don't be @That Guy or @Thatguy

42 minutes ago, hookemATL said:

“He’s a great guy. Only thing I have against him is that whole ‘negligence leading to the death of dozens of little girls’ thing.”  
 

im sure he had impacted many lives in a positive way, but this disaster will be what he is remembered for by most. Fair or not. 

Brilliant. 

Posted
1 hour ago, Da Fino said:

They certainly wouldn’t have hurt for many of the areas in this instance. 

I honestly think they're a great idea.  I do tend to pay attention to weather alerts, but sirens really do get my attention.

From a timeliness standpoint, yeah, they're the last line of defense, but something needed to get through to people.

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Posted
1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:

Not to derail the thread, but who exactly are the State Police?  What jurisdiction do they serve and how much power do they hold?   I sure have been seeing a lot of cars and trucks lately marked as police but with no indication of what city they serve.  Might be better in the ICE thread.  But this is one of the trucks sent to respond in Kerr Co.

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Texas DPS is the equivalent of "state police" in other states and it says "Texas DPS" on the hood of that thing, which seems conspicuously useless in this context (among others).

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49 minutes ago, hookemATL said:

im sure he had impacted many lives in a positive way, but this disaster will be what he is remembered for by most. Fair or not. 

I have to give him credit in one respect. He sure knew when to exit the stage. Dying is a highly effective way to rehabilitate your image. 

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50 minutes ago, hookemATL said:

“He’s a great guy. Only thing I have against him is that whole ‘negligence leading to the death of dozens of little girls’ thing.”  
 

im sure he had impacted many lives in a positive way, but this disaster will be what he is remembered for by most. Fair or not. 

No question.  My "defense" of him upthread was in response to a post that sort of accused him of being a jackass.

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Posted
1 hour ago, pyrohornIII said:

Not to derail the thread, but who exactly are the State Police?  What jurisdiction do they serve and how much power do they hold?   I sure have been seeing a lot of cars and trucks lately marked as police but with no indication of what city they serve.  Might be better in the ICE thread.  But this is one of the trucks sent to respond in Kerr Co.

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Uh, we need one of these, for sure.  Great for rescues of all kinds, and serving the public.

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It would be negligence enabled by an ever-increasing culture of what is labeled "freedom". I have no problem believing "he's a great guy".

I still think my former friend whose last post on FB was "I've had the flu that was worse than this" before he died of covid was a great guy. I get it. The pandemic was fucking weird (if you took relative good fortune for granted).

But that ain't the truth. 

https://www.jimcollins.com/concepts/Stockdale-Concept.html

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You must never confuse faith that you will prevail in the end—which you can never afford to lose—with the discipline to confront the most brutal facts of your current reality, whatever they might be.

 

 

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Posted
35 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

I have to give him credit in one respect. He sure knew when to exit the stage. Dying is a highly effective way to rehabilitate your image. 

You’re being a dick about this before we know all the facts.  There is a small chance that he isn’t the villain. 

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29 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

I still think my former friend whose last post on FB was "I've had the flu that was worse than this" before he died of covid was a great guy. I get it. The pandemic was fucking weird (if you took relative good fortune for granted).

But that ain't the truth. 

https://www.jimcollins.com/concepts/Stockdale-Concept.html

The last known digital communication from a guy I grew up with was about a week before he caught it. It was similar.

That last message, regarding the vaccine and masks was, "I ain't skerr'd," (or a similar intentional misspelling in a PM) shared with with me by another guy I grew up with.

Within a month of that statement, he was dead, and this was a year after the vaccine had been out.

The dead guy was not obese and only about 50yo at the time 

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Posted
2 hours ago, pyrohornIII said:

Not to derail the thread, but who exactly are the State Police?  What jurisdiction do they serve and how much power do they hold?   I sure have been seeing a lot of cars and trucks lately marked as police but with no indication of what city they serve.  Might be better in the ICE thread.  But this is one of the trucks sent to respond in Kerr Co.

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You mean the vehicle with Texas DPS right up front?

Posted
3 hours ago, Mez2 said:

I posted in another thread, but felt appropriate here too after this comment.

I love being a Texan. Growing up, it was a matter of pride but recently it seems, especially as I've gotten older and have a family, its hard to have that same rah-rah sentiments and unwavering state pride

Yeah I been saying this since about November, and it's only got much worse since then. I wasn't born here, but I got here as quick as I could, about 50 years ago. Always been pretty rah-rah about this state. Til now. It's all just so deflating.

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Posted
3 hours ago, TreatyOak said:

A lack of sirens wasn’t the problem. A lack of urgency and simple precautionary methods was. 

True enough, for sure. But there will always be dipshit assholes taking shortcuts or just flat out shirking major responsibilities. The automated detection and sirens would help with that a whole lot.

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Posted (edited)
40 minutes ago, Da Fino said:

You’re being a dick about this before we know all the facts.  There is a small chance that he isn’t the villain. 

Call me a dick all you want. What more facts do you need? A whole bunch of kids he was personally responsible for on his watch are dead.

Camp Mo got the flood warning on Thursday and evacuated their areas at risk. When the flooding came, they weren't there anymore and they all lived.

This jackass:

  • Got the flood warning and ignored it. If that happened, that's on him. 
  • Or didn't receive it because of cellphone issues, poor communication structure, etc. If that happened, that's on him. 
  • Apparently didn't have anyone monitoring the situation, since all the survivors say they woke up in cabins that were filling up with water. That's on him. 

Regardless of what happened, he was 100% culpable when you are responsible for the lives of hundreds of children and teens and a whole bunch of them die under your watch, oh yeah, on your property, which is improperly built on a flood plane. 

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Posted (edited)
14 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I honestly think they're a great idea.  I do tend to pay attention to weather alerts, but sirens really do get my attention.

From a timeliness standpoint, yeah, they're the last line of defense, but something needed to get through to people.

Yeah I think they're a fantastic way to handle this. Low-tech. Get your attention. Those receiving the warning don't need:

- to be awake (initially)

- to have a cell signal

- to have a charged battery

- to be registered on CodeRed

- to wake up and read a vague message that they will or won't take seriously or comprehend the seriousness of

- to be paying attn to facebook or xitter

- etc, and it can be automated or monitored 24/7 by a central monitoring station, or both for that matter. Just needs to be maintained and tested regularly, and you only put them where they're needed most - down by the river in places prone to flash flooding.

Weather/air raid sirens have always worked at getting people's attention and getting them to at minimum start finding out wtf is wrong. Put some signage around (for visitors) that explains that if you hear it, then Death is coming down that river you're sleeping with your toes in, and you have a short time to gtfo. It really couldn't be much simpler. 

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Posted
4 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

 Maybe the left could try a little manipulation now that it's too fucking late?

The left doesn't have the sort of resources. But even if it did I am not sure brainwashing the population to believe bullshit is going to turn out well even if you have the best of intentions.



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