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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

That was just dumb internet speculation. This was an outright lie.

What I heard, and this buddy is profusely apologizing to our text group, as is Cord. 

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1 minute ago, King George said:

 

What I heard, and this buddy is profusely apologizing to our text group, as is Cord. 

So your buddy told you he had helped rescue two girls today? And he’s still your buddy?

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7 minutes ago, Da Fino said:

Can I ask why this guy doesn’t just get banned @immamac? He’s been spreading blatant misinformation about an ongoing catastrophe. 

No I havent at all. But whatever man. I’ve been crucified here since I joined to ask the Iowa St guys a question about their QB. I’ve got a vested interest in this area and have been directly affected by the flood more than you fucking know, wanted information, and I posted 2 things that were incorrect amongst 10 other correct things I brought to the thread before they were here. 

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12 minutes ago, King George said:

No I havent at all. But whatever man. I’ve been crucified here since I joined to ask the Iowa St guys a question about their QB. I’ve got a vested interest in this area and have been directly affected by the flood more than you fucking know, wanted information, and I posted 2 things that were incorrect amongst 10 other correct things I brought to the thread before they were here. 

“Aw jeez, sure I lied and said a buddy rescued two girls today but that was just a little oopsie. It’s really unfair and mean to hold that against me!”

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Just now, wildcat09 said:

“Aw jeez, sure I lied and said a buddy rescued two girls today but that was just a little oopsie. It’s really unfair and mean to hold that against me!”

I didn’t lie. Like Cord, he misrepresented his involvement. I’m not spreading disinformation any moreso than people linking Chronicle, Kerrville paper and I saw the NY Post report on it. 

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Where are you seeing this notification? Just word of mouth or has something been officially released.

There was a vigil held at Casis for the community this evening. Only 1 girl from the neighborhood was officially confirmed and one other that goes to highland park elementary. The other in the neighborhood has not been confirmed.
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1 minute ago, Homesickhorn said:


I’m pretty sure it’s me you’re talking about. Not verbatim, but close. I got word from someone close to the responders. Only to find out that it wasn’t true later. I apologized.

No, I’m talking about the new guy who totally isn’t Rex who said he had a friend who helped rescue the girls today who confirmed it to him. 

I think it’s a lot more likely that he’s lying to us than that he’s got a real life friend who lied to him about something this serious.

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I have permission to post one of the girls that one of my cousin’s friend is looking for, I don’t have permission to post the name or picture of the other girl. I would just ask if you hear anything or learn any news if you could please DM me. As of now, neither girl has been located but I thought I would share the name and face of one of the girls since I have permission. 

greta is the niece of my younger cousin’s best friend. 

thanks. 🙏🏼 

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26 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I have permission to post one of the girls that one of my cousin’s friend is looking for, I don’t have permission to post the name or picture of the other girl. I would just ask if you hear anything or learn any news if you could please DM me. As of now, neither girl has been located but I thought I would share the name and face of one of the girls since I have permission. 

greta is the niece of my younger cousin’s best friend. 

thanks. 🙏🏼 

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they had a huge prayer circle at her elementary tonight 

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2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

they had a huge prayer circle at her elementary tonight 

I just keep hoping which is I suppose right now being in denial. Both my cousins have been thru so much with their parents dying months apart in 2023. And now like troopers they are there for each of their friends who are waiting for news on their little bitties. As the oldest of them, I feel like I need to suck it up and wade through all the rumors and shit news for them both. This is just so fucked. 
 

oddly enough it hasn’t shaken my faith. It is my belief this was preventable. Apparently also I have heard via one camper speaking there was a loud thunderclap that woke up many at 2:00 am. So many warnings ignored. Imagine waking up to darkness and no power and water raging outside and rushing in half a foot a minute inside your cabin…and trying to figure out what to do next. I cannot. 

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Brisket, I typically agree with you. And I get your point. But I’d bet balls to a barn dance that there were a fuckton of undocumented folks out there distributing food. My point was that for a brief moment/couple of days, it didn’t matter. There was a common goal, to help, and everything else went out the window.

At least that’s how I perceived it. Maybe I was just too fucking tired.

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45 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I mean....maybe.  Sometimes, some humans do some decent shit.  But most of the time, the majority of us dedicate all of our efforts and collective social policy to hurting others.  Free tamales are great.  But they don't make up for the fact that - as just one example - if they were being served by undocumented people, most every person in the area doing volunteer work would stop to cheer on ICE as the grabbed them and tossed them in a van.  It doesn't make up for the fact that most of those people will continue to do all they can to insure that our government entities are further defunded and attacked so they become even less able to try to prevent future disasters.

Free food is window dressing.  It doesn't conceal the rot behind those windows.

We need to be the kind of society that actually works to make sure that tragedies like this don't happen anymore, or at least don't happen to this degree.  And that is the one thing that we can all rest assured will NOT happen in this case.  Or any other.  We'll stick with the victory of our new state motto, "It Could Have Been Worse."

The CG crews working during Katrina were fucking real-deal heroes.  They worked past their allowed time.  They were exhausted.  Some crews were told to stand down.  They refused, and kept on rescuing people.  The CG is some of the best of what we've got.  I'm glad we have them.

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7 hours ago, Spoetzl said:

My dad lives in Kerrville (it got interesting, but he is ok). Sister and nieces grew up and worked at Mystic. Know the Eastlands. Know the Ragsdales. Know some of the families.


I’m not in Texas currently and only know about this through this thread. Who are the Easterlands and Ragsdales? I know a Lowry Ragsdale form Houston Memorial who I think only has a son, Hunter.

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4 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

well damn ....

 

It didn't make the list of real bad ones, but in late June or early July of 1977, after my parents picked me up at Camp Longhorn, we went to SA and were staying at La Mansion and the Riverwalk was seriously flooded so that the first floor of the hotel was starting to be awash.

Watching the river rush by from our second or third floor balcony was something I still remember.

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16 minutes ago, Bevo said:


I’m not in Texas currently and only know about this through this thread. Who are the Easterlands and Ragsdales? I know a Lowry Ragsdale form Houston Memorial who I think only has a son, Hunter.

The Eastlands are the family that owns Mystic.  Ragsdale family owned Camp Stewart and Heart O The Hills. Both lost their camp directors and family members in the flood.

Note that these camps (not Stewart) and La Junta are all along the South Fork of the GuadAlupe along Highway 39 within a few miles of each other.  While there was flooding all over the place, it seems it was particularly bad there.

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10 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

😢

I went to high school with her mother and played soccer with her uncle.  Sweet people.  Chloe was an incoming freshman at UT.  Just tragic. 

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11 hours ago, Cajun said:

No idea.  I don't want to ask him either.  

I just got back from NB HEB.  Grabbed two big ass Prime briskets and am going to get them on the smoke first thing in the morning and then take them over to his team's hotel in Boerne tomorrow night when they get back for the day.  Not sure what I'll hear, but I'm bracing for anything.

I just don't know how these guys deal with this stuff.  I'm damned near ready to end it when one of my dogs dies.  lI just don't see how.

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7 hours ago, Homesickhorn said:

Brisket, I typically agree with you. And I get your point. But I’d bet balls to a barn dance that there were a fuckton of undocumented folks out there distributing food. My point was that for a brief moment/couple of days, it didn’t matter. There was a common goal, to help, and everything else went out the window.

At least that’s how I perceived it. Maybe I was just too fucking tired.

Great.

Love them today when you need them, hate them tomorrow when you don't.

As American as apple pie. 

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43 minutes ago, dcbc said:

I went to high school with her mother and played soccer with her uncle.  Sweet people.  Chloe was an incoming freshman at UT.  Just tragic. 

What high school? 
 

sorry for all the questions guys but I don’t have TV access now (long story) and I’m not in Texas. I don’t know anything about these Christian camps but it sounds like I should: The kids come from schools like Kinkaid, Memorial, Highland Park, correct? Stewart I know of but I don’t know who went there. I went to Rio Vista as a kid which should be somewhere nearby and some other friends went to Champions and Longhorn if memory serves. 
 

With all that said, I’m a little older so my friends’ kids would more likely be councilors rather than campers. How young were the campers, though? If in the 8 year old range, tI guess grandkids could have been there.

Thanks again for the news. I’m truly out of the loop.

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8 hours ago, Homesickhorn said:

Brisket, I typically agree with you. And I get your point. But I’d bet balls to a barn dance that there were a fuckton of undocumented folks out there distributing food. My point was that for a brief moment/couple of days, it didn’t matter. There was a common goal, to help, and everything else went out the window.

At least that’s how I perceived it. Maybe I was just too fucking tired.

If it doesn't matter when you need help, then it shouldn't matter when you don't. The humanity in these people to help a state and country that is actively persecuting them is far greater than any of you have. And far greater than I have at this point. I guarantee that. 

Went dark on news and semi off the grid since Thursday so this is the first I'm hearing about this whole thing. Try to remember the humanity of those that helped once this passes and it's back to persecution as the norm in this state. 

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Just now, Bevo said:

What high school? 
 

sorry for all the questions guys but I don’t have TV access now (long story) and I’m not in Texas. I don’t know anything about these Christian camps but it sounds like I should: The kids come from schools like Kinkaid, Memorial, Highland Park, correct? Stewart I know of but I don’t know who went there. I went to Rio Vista as a kid which should be somewhere nearby and some other friends went to Champions and Longhorn if memory serves. 
 

With all that said, I’m a little older so my friends’ kids would more likely be councilors rather than campers. How young were the campers, though? If in the 8 year old range, tI guess grandkids could have been there.

Thanks again for the news. I’m truly out of the loop.

Mystic may have become a little more "Christy," but historically is right in line with Stewart and Rio Vista.  Historically, they're slightly more "traditional," horsey archery riflery camps, while your Longhorns and Champions are more aquatic.  I think Longhorn created "Ranch Branch" to try to attract those campers and now there's some third thing entirely.  

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Mystic may have become a little more "Christy," but historically is right in line with Stewart and Rio Vista.  Historically, they're slightly more "traditional," horsey archery riflery camps, while your Longhorns and Champions are more aquatic.  I think Longhorn created "Ranch Branch" to try to attract those campers and now there's some third thing entirely.  

CLH has C3. It's become increasingly difficult to get kids into CLH and even aluminum sometimes will park a kid at C3 until a spot opens up at Inks.

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Just now, Foosters said:

CLH has C3. It's become increasingly difficult to get kids into CLH and even aluminum sometimes will park a kid at C3 until a spot opens up at Inks.

Yeah I figured it was something like that.  It's blown the fuck up over the last 50 years.  Apparently so had Mystic.

Seems like it's a big business now.  Forty-fifty years ago, I thought it was more a labor of love.

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11 hours ago, Homesickhorn said:

One thing I meant to mention was the amount of support I observed driving my trailer from Comfort to Ingram. You cannot go a quarter mile without a smoker billowing, Webbers, pop tents, coolers full of tamales, etc.

These guys are on site and seem decent, but I must state for the record that I have no direct experience with them so don't IP ban me if they turn out to be a front for Nazi pedophiles:

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Does it cast a doubt on it?

The camp itself did what had to be done, because state and local officials dropped the ball.  Good on them - great on them, in fact. 

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Background on past efforts to get a warning system in place. It seems to me that a regional warning system for the Hill Country makes a whole lot of sense so that the cost burden can be shared among various jurisdictions and the state, with the latter covering a substantial chunk of the tab, because the state is fucking loaded. As we all know, people from all over the state visit the area, and they may be at even greater risk than most permanent residents, since visitors are more likely to be in the lower-lying, flood-prone river valleys. 

 

Officials Feared Flood Risk to Youth Camps but Rejected Warning System
Kerr County had discussed buying such things as water gauges and sirens after previous flood disasters. But as with many rural Texas counties, cost was an issue.

Eight years ago, in the aftermath of yet another river flood in the Texas Hill Country, officials in Kerr County debated whether more needed to be done to build a warning system along the banks of the Guadalupe River.

A series of summer camps along the river were often packed with children. For years, local officials kept them safe with a word-of-mouth system: When floodwaters started raging, upriver camp leaders warned those downriver of the water surge coming their way.

But was that enough? Officials considered supplementing the system with sirens and river gauges, along with other modern communications tools. “We can do all the water-level monitoring we want, but if we don’t get that information to the public in a timely way, then this whole thing is not worth it,” said Tom Moser, a Kerr County commissioner at the time.

In the end, little was done. When catastrophic floodwaters surged through Kerr County last week, there were no sirens or early flooding monitors. Instead, there were text alerts that came late for some residents and were dismissed or unseen by others.

The rural county of a little over 50,000 people, in a part of Texas known as Flash Flood Alley, contemplated installing a flood warning system in 2017, but it was rejected as too expensive. The county, which has an annual budget of around $67 million, lost out on a bid at the time to secure a $1 million grant to fund the project, county commission meeting minutes show.

As recently as a May budget meeting, county commissioners were discussing a flood warning system being developed by a regional agency as something that they might be able to make use of.

But in a recent interview, Rob Kelly, the Kerr County judge and its most senior elected official, said that local residents had been resistant to new spending. “Taxpayers won’t pay for it,” he said, adding that he didn’t know if people might reconsider now.

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The idea of a flood warning system was broached in 2015, in the aftermath of a deadly flood in Wimberley, Texas, about 75 miles to the east of Kerrville, the Kerr County seat.

The Guadalupe River Basin is one of the most dangerous regions in the United States when it comes to flash floods. Ordinary floods from heavy rainstorms occur regularly, inundating streets and threatening structures as floodwaters gradually rise. The region is also prone to flash floods, which can occur with little to no notice.

People living near the Guadalupe in Kerr County may have little time to seek higher ground, especially when flash floods come through late at night when people are asleep. In 1987, a rapidly rising Guadalupe River swept away a school bus carrying teens from a church camp, killing 10 of them.

Avantika Gori, a Rice University professor who is leading a federally funded project to improve flood resilience in rural Texas counties, said that flood warning systems are often simple networks of rain gauges or stream gauges that are triggered when rain or floodwaters exceed a certain level.

The gauges can then be used to warn those at risk of flooding, whether by text message, which may not be effective in areas with spotty cellphone service; notifications broadcast on TV and radio; or sometimes through a series of sirens.

More complex systems use forecasts from the National Weather Service to predict rainfall and model what areas might be subject to flooding, Professor Gori said.

After the 2015 floods, an improved monitoring system was installed in the Wimberley area, and cell towers are now used to send out notices to all cellphones in the area.

Mr. Moser, the former commissioner, visited Wimberley after its new system was in place, and then led efforts to have a flood warning system in Kerr County. His proposal would have included additional water detection systems and a system to alert the public, but the project never got off the ground, largely because of budget concerns.

“It sort of evaporated,” Mr. Moser said. “It just didn’t happen.”

One commissioner at the time, H.A. “Buster” Baldwin, voted against a $50,000 engineering study, according to a news account at the time, saying, “I think this whole thing is a little extravagant for Kerr County, with sirens and such.”

Mr. Moser said it was hard to tell if a flood warning system would have prevented further tragedy in Kerr County during the July 4 flood, given the extraordinary circumstance of the flooding, which came suddenly after an intense period of rain. But he said he believed that such a system could have had some benefit.

“I think it could have helped a lot of people,” Mr. Moser said.

The death toll from the flooding, now at 80, includes at least 28 children, with several girls and a counselor from one of the camps along the river still unaccounted for.

According to a transcript from a Kerr County Commissioners’ Court meeting in 2017, officials discussed how even with additional water level sensors along the Guadalupe River, the county would still need a way to alert residents if water levels were rising dangerously fast.

Sirens, which are used across Texas to alert residents about tornadoes, were considered by county officials as a way to alert people who live along the river about any flooding.

“With all the hills and all, cell coverage is not that great in some areas in Hill Country,” Mr. Moser said, adding that a series of sirens might have provided people in vulnerable areas sufficient time to flee.

Mr. Moser retired as a commissioner of Kerr County in 2021. But he said this week’s flooding there should be taken as a warning.

“I think there’s going to be a lot of places in the United States that will look at this event that happened in Kerr County and determine what could be done,” Mr. Moser said. “I think things should come out of this. It should be a lesson learned.”

Current city officials on Sunday did not discuss the earlier deliberations over warning systems. Dalton Rice, the Kerrville city manager, sidestepped a question about the effectiveness of local emergency notifications, telling reporters at a news conference that it was “not the time to speculate.”

“There’s going to be a full review of this, so we can make sure that we focus on future preparedness,” he said.

Professor Gori said that the decision not to install warning systems in the past has for many Texas counties come down to cost.

“If the county had a flood warning system in place, they would have fared much better in terms of preparedness, but most rural counties in Texas simply do not have the funds to implement flood warning systems themselves,” she said in an email.

Some simpler systems, however, like those using stream or rain gauges, may still not have allowed enough time for evacuations, given how fast the water rose in Kerr County, she added.

It is hardly unique in facing challenges.

“Rural counties are extremely data-scarce, which means we are essentially blind when it comes to identifying areas that are prone to flooding,” Ms. Gori said.

Texas has a growing backlog of flood management projects, totaling some $54 billion across the state. The state flood plan of the Texas Water Development Board called on lawmakers to dedicate additional funding to invest in potentially lifesaving infrastructure.

But lawmakers have so far allocated only a fraction of the money needed for flood projects through the state’s Flood Infrastructure Fund, about $669 million so far, even as state lawmakers this year approved $51 billion in property tax cuts.

Kerr County, in its earlier discussions about a warning system, had explored along with other members of the Upper Guadalupe River Authority the possibility of applying for financial support through the infrastructure fund. But the authority dropped the idea after learning that the fund would provide only about 5 percent of the money needed for the project.

During last week’s flooding, despite the text notifications that warned of rapidly rising waters, some residents were unsure how seriously to take the flood warnings because they are not unusual in that part of the state.

Sujey Martin, a resident of Kerrville for the past 15 years, said she was awakened by an emergency alert on her phone at about 2 a.m. on Friday. She said she had glanced at it and went back to sleep.

“It’s never this bad, so I didn’t think much of it,” she said.

It wasn’t until about 5 a.m. that she became alarmed, when she realized that her power was out, and she started reading on Facebook about flooding and evacuations, some of them just a few streets over from her. “It was raining really hard,” she recalled.

Louis Kocurek, 65, who lives in Center Point, about 10 miles southeast of Kerrville, said that he had never received an official government text alert about the flooding. He had signed up for a private emergency alert service known as CodeRED, but by the time that alert came in, his power had gone out. At that time, he said, he had known about the situation for at least three hours, warned by his son-in-law at about 6:30 a.m.

He had checked on the water level of the creek near his home and decided to stay put — even though the water in the creek rose 15 feet in 15 minutes at one point. His house sits at a higher elevation than the homes of some neighbors, and there were 11 people hunkering down at his house.

Mr. Kocurek said the CodeRED alert came in at 10:07 a.m. “At that point, you know, the roads were closed, no way to get out.” His house, ultimately, was not flooded.

Linda Clanton, a retired schoolteacher who lives on the outskirts of Kerrville, said she did not know how bad the flooding had become until her sister called and woke her up with the news at 8:30 a.m. on Friday. The next day, she was among several people taking in the widespread destruction and piles of debris caused by the floodwaters at Louise Hays Park, along the Guadalupe River on the west side of town.

She said she couldn’t be sure that even sirens would have been useful in warning people about the fast-moving water.

“We are all spread out in these hills and the trees,” she said. “If we had a siren here in town, nobody but town people would hear it,” she added. “You’d have to have sirens all over the place, and that’s a lot of money and a lot of things to go wrong.”

And the danger was not over yet.

Around 3 p.m. on Sunday, another emergency alert went out to people along the Guadalupe River, including the hundreds conducting searches, warning of “high confidence of river flooding.” Move to higher ground, the alert urged.

 

 

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8 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

The CG crews working during Katrina were fucking real-deal heroes.  They worked past their allowed time.  They were exhausted.  Some crews were told to stand down.  They refused, and kept on rescuing people.  The CG is some of the best of what we've got.  I'm glad we have them.

My mom was sleeping in a tent with her team before the national guard arrived in New Orleans. 

To say more doxes the shit out of me. Nobody nationally ever knew her name.

She was NOT alone and chose to je there. 

You COULD have just posted what I kept in your quote. You didn't, in this thread, and THAT is a fucking choice too. Time and place man. 

 

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