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14 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Some guy also called me a bad fan and the biggest longhorn fraud on the Internet. I don't know why that kind of stuff entertains me and makes me want to interact further, but it does. 

Sounds like Mack Brown finally got a username. It’s not just Nick Voinis anymore. 
 

Noted. 

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11 hours ago, William Bludworth said:

OK, but besides all of that, he Wrecked aggie and made them submit. That kid is a boss. 

should be noted that was Goosby's coming out party. He was fantastic and played against a 2nd round NFL pick. 0 sacks and I believe 0 penalties. OL dominated that day. 

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A few of the Surly posters are aware I have a second hand connection to Robertson, so occasionally I get some interesting tidbits. 

In my opinion this OL is not national championship quality, even before the injuries. That does not mean they can’t win the national championship, just that it isn’t as strong as other teams and other years’ past. The line does have some decent height, which is good. 

The line can be good enough to win the title, but we aren’t going to see 2005, where Vince had enough time to make some sandwiches.  Arch being more mobile will be the way they scheme for the OL limitations and I think it will be glorious after watching self-sacking Quinn.

On the topic of Cruz, him not passing Robertson yet is more Robertson than Cruz. Robertson is hanging in there, is smart, is working, and believes he can be starter quality. In my opinion, there are some physical limitations, but all those other things help a lot, especially at center, where you can deal better with physical limitations.  

 

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9 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

In my opinion this OL is not national championship quality, even before the injuries. That does not mean they can’t win the national championship.

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12 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

You put Vince behind any Texas oline, and they're going to look great.

I agree, but also- Blalock and Sendlein were multi year NFL quality starters, Scott would have been without his rookie injury, Studdard was a NFL journeyman and Will Allen (like Lole this year) decided he was good, he had accomplished what he wanted to. 

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25 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

A few of the Surly posters are aware I have a second hand connection to Robertson, so occasionally I get some interesting tidbits. 

In my opinion this OL is not national championship quality, even before the injuries. That does not mean they can’t win the national championship, just that it isn’t as strong as other teams and other years’ past. The line does have some decent height, which is good. 

The line can be good enough to win the title, but we aren’t going to see 2005, where Vince had enough time to make some sandwiches.  Arch being more mobile will be the way they scheme for the OL limitations and I think it will be glorious after watching self-sacking Quinn.

On the topic of Cruz, him not passing Robertson yet is more Robertson than Cruz. Robertson is hanging in there, is smart, is working, and believes he can be starter quality. In my opinion, there are some physical limitations, but all those other things help a lot, especially at center, where you can deal better with physical limitations.  

 

 

15 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Heh

Saying that before a game is even played or we're halfway through a season is something. Ohio State's line last year looked like shit most of the year IMO until playoffs. The line the past two year has been the exact same from game 1 to game 13 where as this line has the ability to grow and develop as the season goes.

1 minute ago, BurgleBro said:

OTF confirms Goosby finger stuck in jersey

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

Saying that before a game is even played or we're halfway through a season is something. Ohio State's line last year looked like shit most of the year IMO until playoffs.

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29 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

A few of the Surly posters are aware I have a second hand connection to Robertson, so occasionally I get some interesting tidbits. 

In my opinion this OL is not national championship quality, even before the injuries. That does not mean they can’t win the national championship, just that it isn’t as strong as other teams and other years’ past. The line does have some decent height, which is good. 

The line can be good enough to win the title, but we aren’t going to see 2005, where Vince had enough time to make some sandwiches.  Arch being more mobile will be the way they scheme for the OL limitations and I think it will be glorious after watching self-sacking Quinn.

On the topic of Cruz, him not passing Robertson yet is more Robertson than Cruz. Robertson is hanging in there, is smart, is working, and believes he can be starter quality. In my opinion, there are some physical limitations, but all those other things help a lot, especially at center, where you can deal better with physical limitations.  

 

We will have to hope our OL somehow improves leaps and bounds coming into post season like tOSU somehow managed last season. 

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Just now, Red Five said:

The o-line isn’t getting embarrassed in practice right? It wont get any more difficult than what they’re already seeing.

Last OTF update I saw Bobby said the OL is opening some holes in the run game. 

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How should Texas deal with Jeremiah Smith in rematch with Ohio State? - Howe (OTF)

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How should Texas deal with Jeremiah Smith in rematch with Ohio State?

 

Jeff Howe

By Jeff Howe

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AUSTIN, Texas — There was a method to Steve Sarkisian’s madness when the Texas coach embarked on a mission to challenge Malik Muhammad ahead of the team’s second camp scrimmage.

“I purposely went after him with a couple of different things,” Sarkisian said after the scrimmage. “For him to play the way that he played gave me more confidence than I've had, and I have a lot in him. Today was very, very encouraging on that front.”

Muhammad, a veteran cornerback with 18 starts in 30 career games, will begin the 2025 season with arguably the toughest assignment he’ll face as a junior whenever he has to cover Ohio State’s Jeremiah Smith. Smith was limited to one reception for three yards on Jan. 10, when the Buckeyes’ 28-14 triumph in the Cotton Bowl ended the Longhorns’ season one game shy of the College Football Playoff National Championship.

“It was a team effort,” Muhammad said earlier in camp about what it took for Texas to hold Smith to his lowest statistical output and his lowest single-game grade from Pro Football Focus during his remarkable true freshman season.

The Longhorns had Smith’s number in Arlington. Still, Sarkisian, who didn’t mention Smith or any other Ohio State wide receivers by name while detailing what Muhammad went through last week, knows coach Ryan Day and offensive coordinator Brian Hartline will be looking to get the 6-foot-3-inch, 223-pound Smith (76 receptions 1,315 yards and 15 touchdowns, which established new freshman records for a Buckeye) involved early and often.

The occasions when Muhammad finds himself one-on-one with Smith should be few and far between.

That’s not a knock on the 6-foot, 188-pound Muhammad, who Pro Football Focus touts as the sixth-best returning cornerback in the country. Texas should do whatever it takes to limit the times Smith faces man coverage because he destroyed opponents in those situations last season.

According to PFF, Smith’s 90.6 grade against man coverage was second among FBS wide receivers (minimum of 13 targets), recording 25 receptions for 384 yards and four touchdowns on 32 targets with a near-perfect NFL passer rating when targeted (156.3). Smith also averaged 4.09 yards per route run (sixth in FBS) with an average depth of target of 11.1 yards, indicating that if Will Howard could correctly identify that Smith was facing man coverage, the nation’s No. 1-ranked recruit in 2024 would be turned loose, and Ohio State could hunt chunk-yardage plays (Smith caught 12 passes last season that traveled 20 yards or more down the field, racking up 467 yards and scoring four touchdowns, recording a near-perfect PFF grade of 99.9 when targeted on deep throws).

Julian Sayin, who was named Ohio State’s starting quarterback on Monday, shouldn’t be expected to decipher what Pete Kwiatkowski is throwing at him in his first career start. Nevertheless, it remains to be seen how much Kwiatkowski and Duane Akina alternate between playing man and zone in the opener.

That has more to do with trusting the communication that the secondary has worked to rebuild in the wake of losing Jahdae Barron and Andrew Mukuba than anything else. At the same time, an effective pass rush could make life on the back end much more manageable if the Longhorns can routinely pressure Sayin.

Although Smith was good last season against zone, catching 43 passes for 783 yards and nine touchdowns, shading coverage to his side of the field and devoting more resources to him, in general, is the path of least resistance.

Elevated to the No. 2 wide receiver, with Emeka Egbuka out of eligibility, Carnell Tate was much better against zone last season (a season-long PFF grade of 73.7) than when working against man coverage (59.1). While it’s risky for Texas to let its defensive backs handle Tate, Brandon Inniss and the other Buckeye receiving threats more often in one-on-one situations, Muhammad and the other Longhorn defensive backs should be ready for what they’ll see inside the Horseshoe in 12 days.

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Who is considered to have a championship level OL?  Notre Dame, Penn State maybe?  Ohio State is doing a lot of shuffling, Oregon replaces a lot.  LSU replaces a bunch.  Clemson?  Georgia lost players.  Don't care that aggy is returning all those JAG's.  I don't think our OL situation is in any worse position than maybe ND and PSU.  And I don't think anybody is trusting James Franklin or Drew Allar in a big game.

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Clemson has won a couple of national championships behind OL that weren't "national title quality." Ohio State just won one with 2/3 of their best OL out for the playoffs

Most opponents will try to win on defense with sim pressures (trying to create the effect of a blitz while only bringing four), and communicating/clean trade offs will probably be the most important task for the OL this year. Your OL doesn't need to be filled with upperclassmen who're ripe to get drafted in the first round, they need to be assignment sound and communicate 

I suspect the scheme this year will really help them out in the run game too 

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4 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Who is considered to have a championship level OL?  Notre Dame, Penn State maybe?  Ohio State is doing a lot of shuffling, Oregon replaces a lot.  LSU replaces a bunch.  Clemson?  Georgia lost players.  Don't care that aggy is returning all those JAG's.  I don't think our OL situation is in any worse position than maybe ND and PSU.  And I don't think anybody is trusting James Franklin or Drew Allar in a big game.

Alabama should definitely be on the list of best OL. I don't know if they're better than Notre Dame, but they are probably the best OL in the SEC. Clemson, PSU, and Utah should probably be on the list as well. And roll your eyes if you want, but A&M's OL should be solid. I don't think I would trade their starters for ours, but they should be a decently talented and cohesive unit.  

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On 8/16/2025 at 10:23 AM, closetojumping said:

Can you two assholes get together and fuck or go to DMs for the rest of us here’s sake? Thanks. 

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15 hours ago, Jimmy Two Times said:

They are legit special needs adults on there. I always feel kind of bad for Bobby and Gerry since they have to interact with them and pretend to take them seriously. 

I mean, we all know Ketch has multiple socks he uses all over the web. I don’t think it’s fair to call him out for it.

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14 minutes ago, Goredho said:

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1 minute ago, South Austin said:

It’s worth a reminder that Jahdae Barron’s defense of Jeremiah Smith in the semifinal is one of the most impressive performances I’ve seen from a Texas defensive back in my lifetime as a Longhorns fan.

He did get roasted for what would have been a TD by Tate, although Tate dropped it

If you watch the all-22 of that game (it's online), Howard frequently didn't even look at Smith, and generally stared down a middle of the field option that was typically a RB, TE, or slot and got the ball out as quickly as possible, while Smith was occupying MOFO coverage outside 

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1 minute ago, troph said:

could be true though not sure which one of those guys is titty-licious and packing heat. only difference is 80% of y'all wouldn't run off in fear. that kinda shit isn't popular on porn hub for no reason. 

Well, Frank Drebin is Frank Drebin, and I think you are correct in your Surly fetish assessment.  I'm sure he and many others here would be like...

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10 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

I mean, we all know Ketch has multiple socks he uses all over the web. I don’t think it’s fair to call him out for it.

stay away from the cum sock though, dat shit is nasty.

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14 minutes ago, Fud said:

Clemson has won a couple of national championships behind OL that weren't "national title quality." Ohio State just won one with 2/3 of their best OL out for the playoffs

Most opponents will try to win on defense with sim pressures (trying to create the effect of a blitz while only bringing four), and communicating/clean trade offs will probably be the most important task for the OL this year. Your OL doesn't need to be filled with upperclassmen who're ripe to get drafted in the first round, they need to be assignment sound and communicate 

I suspect the scheme this year will really help them out in the run game too 

To this point, LSU's OL was the most touted in the country heading into 2024 and the 4 starters who left were all drafted. They were also mostly healthy all year. And their running game fucking sucked against any defense that could fog a mirror. "Championship caliber" is almost entirely derivative of other drivers for a title, from coaching to QB to defense.

9 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Alabama should definitely be on the list of best OL. I don't know if they're better than Notre Dame, but they are probably the best OL in the SEC. Clemson, PSU, and Utah should probably be on the list as well. And roll your eyes if you want, but A&M's OL should be solid. I don't think I would trade their starters for ours, but they should be a decently talented and cohesive unit.  

Yeah, we're going to have to disagree on a few things here. 

-Clemson returns most of the OL, but they're hardly a top flight group. They never are. Clemson produces dogshit at OL. If folks are looking at sources of weakness for Clemson this season, one of them is likely going to be special teams but the other is their running game. Blake Miller is obviously a stud being projected to be drafted, but the other guys are just kind of there. Not having a proven back behind those guys is also going to be a potential problem. 

-ATM's OL is paper thin. With Fatheree out, it just got a whole lot thinner. Any injuries along the OL and the recruiting chickens come home to roost in brutal ways for the aggies. My view is that just having guys returning shouldn't be enough to mark a unit as one of the best in the country. 

-Maybe Bama's will be good. Brailsford was an AA last year and Proctor has the recruiting pedigree, sure. Roberts is about as jaggy as they come and they haven't been impressed with what they have at RT. Simpson isn't on the same level of mobility at Milroe by any stretch and their #1 RB is now out indefinitely. Hell, there's a shot Cam Dewberry somehow starts at LG there. 

-For my money, the best OL in the SEC heading into this season is Florida. They return their own AA and 3 other starters. Lagway and their stable of high quality backs plus a returning starter at TE has the potential to make that OL look really good. 

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14 minutes ago, troph said:

could be true though not sure which one of those guys is titty-licious and packing heat. only difference is 80% of y'all wouldn't run off in fear. that kinda shit isn't popular on porn hub for no reason. 

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I follow Horns football throughout the year, pretty religiously.  Sometimes, I feel age and life beats me down so that maybe I’m not as excited about the upcoming year as I have been.

So thanks to some of you for helping build the fire this year.

The Oline.  There’s no perceptible reason this can’t be a great one. As some have mentioned, there is reason to believe they improve as we progress.  Yeah, only 1 returning starter, but 3 with starting experience.  Hutson, Robertson, Neto have been together for going on 4 years.  Goosby, Campbell, and Hutson have been in the fire.  Are we any worse off at RT than we were a year ago?

Now, reaching into the PFF bag yesterday, I see that our TEs both ranked in the 200s out of 200-something in their run grades.  Obviously, they are an extension of the Oline.  In my mind, they are very different and view them as different.  From my recall there were several plays that failed due to those who are not Olinemen failing to get their block.

I need some of you to focus on reality.  We aren’t going to have 5 guys that kick ass.  They certainly won’t kick ass equally at pass protection and run blocking.  There are reasons the Bamas, the Ohio States, the Georgias have been dominant programs. Towards the very top of the list is that their D-lines do not get manhandled and more often than not they win their 1v1s. It’d also help if you realized that numbers matter too.  Five won’t often block 6.  And it may just be an occasion in which others miss their blocks or the ball carrier misses the hole.  Thats the same as it’s always been, always will be.

Here is the beauty of this.  This unit doesn’t need to carry us.  If we can win a championship 3-0, then they did enough.  Personally, I think the offense does quite well and complements the team well.

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2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

To this point, LSU's OL was the most touted in the country heading into 2024 and the 4 starters who left were all drafted. They were also mostly healthy all year. And their running game fucking sucked against any defense that could fog a mirror. "Championship caliber" is almost entirely derivative of other drivers for a title, from coaching to QB to defense.

Yeah, we're going to have to disagree on a few things here. 

-Clemson returns most of the OL, but they're hardly a top flight group. They never are. Clemson produces dogshit at OL. If folks are looking at sources of weakness for Clemson this season, one of them is likely going to be special teams but the other is their running game. Blake Miller is obviously a stud being projected to be drafted, but the other guys are just kind of there. Not having a proven back behind those guys is also going to be a potential problem. 

-ATM's OL is paper thin. With Fatheree out, it just got a whole lot thinner. Any injuries along the OL and the recruiting chickens come home to roost in brutal ways for the aggies. My view is that just having guys returning shouldn't be enough to mark a unit as one of the best in the country. 

-Maybe Bama's will be good. Brailsford was an AA last year and Proctor has the recruiting pedigree, sure. Roberts is about as jaggy as they come and they haven't been impressed with what they have at RT. Simpson isn't on the same level of mobility at Milroe by any stretch and their #1 RB is now out indefinitely. Hell, there's a shot Cam Dewberry somehow starts at LG there. 

-For my money, the best OL in the SEC heading into this season is Florida. They return their own AA and 3 other starters. Lagway and their stable of high quality backs plus a returning starter at TE has the potential to make that OL look really good. 

My position on Clemson is that they are one of the most experienced lines in the country and the core of the line has played close to a thousand snaps together. I think Blake Miller is one of the best RT's in the country. Pass blocking is better than their run blocking, but there seems to be a lot of that going around.

Regarding A&M - yeah, they're thin but the starters are sound. Beyond saying that, I won't allow you to put me in the position of defending A&M. 

You make a good point about Florida. They bring back most of one of the best lines from last year. Their combination at guard is elite and probably the best in the country.  

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37 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

Alabama should definitely be on the list of best OL. I don't know if they're better than Notre Dame, but they are probably the best OL in the SEC. Clemson, PSU, and Utah should probably be on the list as well. And roll your eyes if you want, but A&M's OL should be solid. I don't think I would trade their starters for ours, but they should be a decently talented and cohesive unit.  

just curious to why you believe this. I watched a lot of Bama last year and their traditional run game was inconsistent at best. 

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10 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

To this point, LSU's OL was the most touted in the country heading into 2024 and the 4 starters who left were all drafted. They were also mostly healthy all year. And their running game fucking sucked against any defense that could fog a mirror. "Championship caliber" is almost entirely derivative of other drivers for a title, from coaching to QB to defense.

Yeah, we're going to have to disagree on a few things here. 

-Clemson returns most of the OL, but they're hardly a top flight group. They never are. Clemson produces dogshit at OL. If folks are looking at sources of weakness for Clemson this season, one of them is likely going to be special teams but the other is their running game. Blake Miller is obviously a stud being projected to be drafted, but the other guys are just kind of there. Not having a proven back behind those guys is also going to be a potential problem. 

-ATM's OL is paper thin. With Fatheree out, it just got a whole lot thinner. Any injuries along the OL and the recruiting chickens come home to roost in brutal ways for the aggies. My view is that just having guys returning shouldn't be enough to mark a unit as one of the best in the country. 

-Maybe Bama's will be good. Brailsford was an AA last year and Proctor has the recruiting pedigree, sure. Roberts is about as jaggy as they come and they haven't been impressed with what they have at RT. Simpson isn't on the same level of mobility at Milroe by any stretch and their #1 RB is now out indefinitely. Hell, there's a shot Cam Dewberry somehow starts at LG there. 

-For my money, the best OL in the SEC heading into this season is Florida. They return their own AA and 3 other starters. Lagway and their stable of high quality backs plus a returning starter at TE has the potential to make that OL look really good. 

Florida has a really strong interior OL and they have the best backfield in the SEC, they are very dangerous team if Lagway stays healthy

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26 minutes ago, troph said:

could be true though not sure which one of those guys is titty-licious and packing heat. only difference is 80% of y'all wouldn't run off in fear. that kinda shit isn't popular on porn hub for no reason. 

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Just now, Codaxx said:

just curious to why you believe this. I watched a lot of Bama last year and their traditional run game was inconsistent at best. 

 Kadyn Proctor and Jaeden Roberts are extremely talented, with Proctor projecting to be on the top OL in the 2026 draft. But more than either of them, I think Parker Brailsford is an excellent center. He came over with DeBoer from UW, and he was calling protections for Penix in 2023. That unit pass blocked pretty well. At Bama this season, you've got DeBoer, Grubb, and Ty Simpson at QB, so I think their offense is going to look a lot more like it did at Washington with less focus on the run game. Pass pro is going to matter more, and I think with Proctor at LT and Brailsford at C they will have an elite unit. 

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2 minutes ago, Park Gothic said:

 Kadyn Proctor and Jaeden Roberts are extremely talented, with Proctor projecting to be on the top OL in the 2026 draft. But more than either of them, I think Parker Brailsford is an excellent center. He came over with DeBoer from UW, and he was calling protections for Penix in 2023. That unit pass blocked pretty well. At Bama this season, you've got DeBoer, Grubb, and Ty Simpson at QB, so I think their offense is going to look a lot more like it did at Washington with less focus on the run game. Pass pro is going to matter more, and I think with Proctor at LT and Brailsford at C they will have an elite unit. 

I think you should pump the brakes on Jaeden Roberts as anything close to "extremely talented". He's a multi-year starter at Bama, sure, but the lines the past few years haven't been great and he's been a complaint from their audience the entire time. They allowed 49 sacks two years ago and he was a big part of that. Daboer was better at protecting and moving Milroe last season but they still sucked for long stretches against good defenses. 

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

The o-line isn’t getting embarrassed in practice right? It wont get any more difficult than what they’re already seeing.

This is what should give all who are gnashing teeth some solace.  Nobody on the schedule will have a front as good as the one these guys work against daily.  Only UGA and OSU will run out a group equivalent to Texas' 2nd unit.   There will be hiccups because live fire is just different, but the group will be capable - thanks, in part, to having dealt with a possibly generational group since Spring. 

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

Last OTF update I saw Bobby said the OL is opening some holes in the run game. 

Our C & G run blocking should be improved with this group. If Baxter is truly healthy, this will make a difference in opening up Sark's entire offense. 

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11 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

just curious to why you believe this. I watched a lot of Bama last year and their traditional run game was inconsistent at best. 

Grubb is one reason bama's OL will likely be better in 2025. 

DeBoer is too laid back (the carrot) -- he needs Grubb to be the damn stick.

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40 minutes ago, troph said:

could be true though not sure which one of those guys is titty-licious and packing heat. only difference is 80% of y'all wouldn't run off in fear. that kinda shit isn't popular on porn hub for no reason. 

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14 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Florida has a really strong interior OL and they have the best backfield in the SEC, they are very dangerous team if Lagway stays healthy

This is my reason for them being the most difficult game on the schedule.  Secondarily, it’s on the road and we might be apt to be less focused than for other games.

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3 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

This is my reason for them being the most difficult game on the schedule.  Secondarily, it’s on the road and we might be apt to be less focused than for other games.

Road focus is an issue for Texas?

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Just now, Had Enough said:

This is my reason for them being the most difficult game on the schedule.  Secondarily, it’s on the road and we might be apt to be less focused than for other games.

I understand that's the CW, but it seems like Sark does a good job of getting the team up for road games. Most of our big losses are at home. 

Actually, "most" is the wrong way to put it. Since 2023, our only losses are either at home (UGA last season) or neutral sites. We haven't lost a true road game since OSU in 2022. 

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