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25 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

More on transmaxxing.

 

 

"unfortunately i'm a normal person who gets laid"

way to humblebrag

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5 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

Yeah, I mean logically I get that, but it just is hard to comprehend. The drive to bang is the most powerful one there is, and there's more girls than guys, so I just can't see being stopped by the interwebs. But obviously something is going on.

 

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Agree. To quote Costanza:

Thats everything!  I don’t know what the rest of it’s for anyway. 

Yep.  In my younger skirt-chasing days....nothing outside of the baseline legal standards would have stopped me.  Certainly no notions of self-respect got in the way.  If I'd ended up with the impression that what it took to get a gal was wearing a sweet watermelon helmet, you'd have seen me like this on campus every f'ing day:

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Functionally every choice I made - what I wore, where I'd hang out, the music I'd listen to, etc. - was driven by a desire to make myself a better candidate for sweet loving with a lady.  The amount of "quit" some of these guys have blows me away.

 

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24 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Because I hadn't been touched by the algo before he died, i searched out a bunch of short form videos and from what I can gather, he was basically a really articulate (truly) thinker and speaker who reasoned with logic really well extemporaniously (at least, relative and compared to young college students) and defended his conservative positions well.

There are a few posts scattered here and there with videos that posit he generally addressed well meaning but I sophisticated students and steered them toward his talking points no matter what the initial question was.  As an example, the person debating him at the time of his murder asked about transgender mass murder and he was in the process of steering it towards gang related violence, where he knew his numbers and could talk race, instead of talking about the low number of trans shooters that contradicted his position of a disturbing trend. 
 

I haven’t seen enough of his material to offer an opinion on this, as my only previous exposure to him was posters here making fun of his head size.  
 

articulate, yes he was obviously that. 

Posted
1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Functionally every choice I made - what I wore, where I'd hang out, the music I'd listen to, etc. - was driven by a desire to make myself a better candidate for sweet loving with a lady.  The amount of "quit" some of these guys have blows me away.

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5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

There are a few posts scattered here and there with videos that posit he generally addressed well meaning but I sophisticated students and steered them toward his talking points no matter what the initial question was.  As an example, the person debating him at the time of his murder asked about transgender mass murder and he was in the process of steering it towards gang related violence, where he knew his numbers and could talk race, instead of talking about the low number of trans shooters that contradicted his position of a disturbing trend. 
 

I haven’t seen enough of his material to offer an opinion on this, as my only previous exposure to him was posters here making fun of his head size.  
 

articulate, yes he was obviously that. 

same with the bold, and I agree, it definitely felt like what he did was akin to comediens who do crowdwork. He clearly retained a position of power and advantage and had tools of the trade (rhetorically and logically, speaking) to move the debate as he wanted. I think the reason he was so good was because he was articulate and an excellent communicator (and quick thinker).

I saw one video where he drew an even more provocative distinction in that he's not university or college educated and they, the bumbling speakers were. But these are kids and he was an adult with heavy experience speaking.

ETA the parallel to crowdwork and what he was doing: 

 

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

Eventually, I was passed over for a position by a lesbian chicana who was skilled at one part of the job, but likely not as good an overall fit as I would have been. It would have been an important step in a career in that field. I was disappointed. I was also sort of gratified that I could walk the talk of my earlier arguments.

I got passed over for an expat assignment in favor of a woman that had zero experience in the field, no previous international experience, etc.  Sure I was a bit miffed but after about five minutes I was over it - except when she kept badgering me to basically do her job for her at times.  That sucked.

Then we had a major round of layoffs and she got canned and I kept my position.  So it all worked out in the end, I guess.

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Posted
13 hours ago, Enchubben said:

LOL. This is such a perfect example. We don’t like your opinion, so shut up fascist!

To be fair, you didn't respond to a bunch of people who actually tried to discuss your opinions.  You cherry picked this one post, which came after you've had lots of chances to explain yourself.

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3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Sheila Jackson Lee- Education- NYU, UVA, Yale-Juris Doctorate

Lauren Boebart- Education- GED

Marjorie Taylor Greene- Education- Georgia-BBA

Mike Johnson-Education-LSU Juris Doctorate

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Ketanji Jackson Brown- Education- Harvard-Juris Doctorate

Chief Justice John Roberts Education- Harvard- Juris Doctorate

Samuel Alito- Education-Princeton, Yale- Juris Doctorate

Neil Gorsuch- Education- Columbia, Harvard, Oxford Dphil

Brett Kavanaugh- Education- Yale-Juris Doctorate

Amy Coney Barrett- Education- Rhodes College, Notre Dame- Juris Doctorate

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Michelle Obama -Education- Princeton, Harvard Juris Doctorate

Melania Trump- Education- One year at University of Ljubljana

Jill Biden- Education- University of Delaware, Villanova, West Chester College- MD

Laura Bush- SMU, University of Texas MLS

Hillary Clinton- Education- Wellesley College, Yale- JD

Barbara Bush- Education- One year at Smith College

Nancy Reagan- Education- Smith College BA

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Joy Reid- Education- Harvard-BA

Sean Hannity- Education- NYU did not graduate

Laura Ingraham- Education- Dartmouth, University of Virginia JD

Charlie Kirk- Education- One semester at Harper College 

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 If their were names or faces attached to each one of these all 4 women are absolutely being brought in for an interview. Each one of these black women has a more impressive resume than almost anyone else in their peer group. The fact that you cannot process that is an indictment on you and your brain power. 

Another point is, for people with equivalent degrees and years of experience, just about everything else is subjective.  This guy may be bald and you hate baldies, this chick may be fat, or hot, or this guy went to UT and this one to Aggy.

And anyone that's lived long enough knows people with impressive academics that are professional and personal failures, or at least less capable of performing at higher or highest levels than someone with less impressive credentials.  And also know people with relatively humble academics that are leaders in their field.

So, it's pretty rare that "the most meritorious candidate regardless of race" is chosen.  Says who?  And what are those criteria?

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8 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

I got passed over for an expat assignment in favor of a woman that had zero experience in the field, no previous international experience, etc.  Sure I was a bit miffed but after about five minutes I was over it - except when she kept badgering me to basically do her job for her at times.  That sucked.

Then we had a major round of layoffs and she got canned and I kept my position.  So it all worked out in the end, I guess.

But understand that THAT probably had a lot to do with the fact that your boss was banging her.

And she had big tits.

And you had neither quality.

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31 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Yep.  In my younger skirt-chasing days....nothing outside of the baseline legal standards would have stopped me.  Certainly no notions of self-respect got in the way.  If I'd ended up with the impression that what it took to get a gal was wearing a sweet watermelon helmet, you'd have seen me like this on campus every f'ing day:

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Functionally every choice I made - what I wore, where I'd hang out, the music I'd listen to, etc. - was driven by a desire to make myself a better candidate for sweet loving with a lady.  The amount of "quit" some of these guys have blows me away.

 

It's not for lack of trying. These kids are so heavily indoctrinated in such extreme misogyny that girls don't want to be around them. The hatred and grievance radiates off of them with every breath. They're threatening and off-putting in a way that your regular socially awkward dorky kid just wasn't 25 years ago. 

There were always kids that gave off those disturbing vibes, of course, but these rabbit holes are churning them out on a conveyor belt now. 

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Interesting online post from a woman who is in the Texas BBQ/Food Scene. She says Robinson's roommate is transmaxing. I have to admit this part of the incel world is news to me.

 

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

This is very close to my read on it, as well. We want to superimpose our political biases on this senseless act, but the truth is that politics had almost nothing to do with it.

 

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

I understand about 20% of that.

It's weird as shit.

It's totally fucked up.

But I've checked the timeline...and we're in America, 2025.  So....there's like a 95% chance that's entirely fucking accurate.  We are a messed up fucking country/planet right now.

 

1 hour ago, Vegas64 said:

We live in a chaotic world full of mental illness in pockets and genres that I didn't even know existed. I couldn't dream up this scenario or the players to this if I tried.

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

That’s some wild shit. The internet has broken so many people. 

 

59 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

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58 minutes ago, sidis said:

while this is written very poorly, i have a strong feeling that this is likely the speculation that will most closely align with reality if we are able to ascertain the truth.

no one outside of robinson truly knows but it certainly feels this way to me at this point without greater understanding and more extensive facts. that (along with the lack of cooperation) is a contributing factor to the inability for anyone in authority to articulate a motive that satiates everyone's need to pigeonhole this as political violence in traditional ways that allows people to act sanctimonious. if this does turn out to be the explanation, pam bondi, donald trump, kash patel, etc... are simply not equipped to understand this fucked up subculture and they certainly can't articulate it to the public at large so they will instead not "waste a crisis" and leverage it for their more nefarious efforts given the ambiguity.

we, as posters on surly, have multiple orders of magnitude greater understanding of this derivative subculture than the average person just by being on here and barraged with memes and otherwise "for the lulz" online culture of disassociated people...and i would guess that most of us can't even express or accurately vocalize how this comes to be. the public at large is completely at a loss. while i am not perpetually online, i am on a fucking lot and i have insight into the internet subculture but i had no idea who "destiny" was until someone here started linking it. i also have never been a gamer so i have never been exposed to a lot of the threshold for this subculture. but for me to struggle to internalize the motivation (if it turns out to be accurate) accompanying this event...the public at large will never stand a chance and everyone will simply project their preferences and biases unfortunately.

 

57 minutes ago, bolverk said:

 

There's a lot to unpack here. One thing I'll point out is the cruelty of using social pressure to force someone into a gender that they are not. Much like forces transpeople to remain in the one that they aren't.

Does this "transmaxxing" extend to actual surgery? Seriously, imagining some weak-willed, Theojon-like, but straight cis guy, to have his dick chopped off, undergo a surgical procedure to construct a vagina, take hormones, grow tits, and all that just so that he can be forced into having sex with other guys because they can't get it anywhere else. What a gotdam torturous nightmare.

That's just about the most fucked up thing I've ever heard of, if it's actually a thing.

 

56 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

So where does Nick Fuentes being a catboy fall within this scale of internet subculture?

 

51 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I don't think I've encountered the concept of transmaxing before, but this certainly tracks with what I do know about groypers and the alt-right in general. That cocktail of self-hatred, repressed same-sex attractions, misogyny, etc. can certainly lead to some extremely weird shit.

If you go back and look at my post with videos addressing this very thing its pretty crazy. The only thing I disagree with is the notion of forcing members to take the feminine roll. There are members that gladly take that role like Catboykami. They are still oddly right wing too. Nick Fuentes broke up with catboy because he said Catboy was too extreme. 

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Interesting online post from a woman who is in the Texas BBQ/Food Scene. She says Robinson's roommate is transmaxing. I have to admit this part of the incel world is news to me.

 

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The stuff on the bullet casings was clear that we're dealing with some weird online shit that's beyond my comprehension. I disagree that targeting Kirk was "not political" especially after characterizing Robinson as "alt-right." Kirk's persona was purely political and while it may not have been "political" in the way us normies think there was a reason they targeted him specifically, likely along the lines of Fuentes' beef, but even "he's a bitch" from that world would almost certainly have some political slant to it within this strange alt-right world. I'm nevertheless still skeptical that the roomate was "trans" anything, probably just another weirdo familiar with this online world. I think it's almost certain that this was not a leftist in love with a trangendred person who shot Kirk for saying mean things about transgendered people. That story would have definitely been confirmed by now, if not by the FBI, by journalists just asking questions. This is some strange online world that appears to have roots in some form of alt-right atmosphere that I just don't understand and probably never will.

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6 minutes ago, LateAughtsHorn said:

It's not for lack of trying. These kids are so heavily indoctrinated in such extreme misogyny that girls don't want to be around them. The hatred and grievance radiates off of them with every breath. They're threatening and off-putting in a way that your regular socially awkward dorky kid just wasn't 25 years ago. 

There were always kids that gave off those disturbing vibes, of course, but these rabbit holes are churning them out on a conveyor belt now. 

I also know this is true.  I recall talking to one of our younger female employees, and she told tale of guys hitting on her in the gym that literally made my jaw drop.  Dudes had ZERO game, came across as creepy and entitled, then when she quite gently and politely shut them down, they'd fire back with "whatever, you're fat anyway" or some shit like that.  No concept of "huh, I guess that she's just not interested," or "okay, lemme think about where I went wrong and what I can do to refine myself/my approach."  Just starting from a position of entitlement, rolling straight into abuse.  Well, no, buddy, you're NEVER gonna get laid with that shitty attitude and approach.  And why would you?  What sane woman is interested in THAT guy?

If presented with the problem of "women aren't interested in the kind of guy I am," it seems that the easiest solution is "work on being the kind of guy women WOULD be interested in."

I'll freely confess that as a slightly chubby, glasses-wearing nerdy kid entering adolescence, I realized I had some choices to make.  Dressed better, got in better shape, worked on my social skills so I could talk and listen to a variety of people and viewpoints (no, man, she does NOT want to listen to you talk about Star Wars for an hour - no matter how much the internet now sells the bullshit of "hot chicks totally dig Star Wars and nerds!"), went out there and tried and failed, refined my shit and tried again.  Turns out that with just a modicum of work, you could turn that awkward middle schooler into a guy who did plenty well with girls over the years.

This crowd?  It's "be my porn star sex toy who does what I say, or else I call you a cunt and say all women are bitches."  When what you have to offer is....shit.

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12 minutes ago, LateAughtsHorn said:

It's not for lack of trying. These kids are so heavily indoctrinated in such extreme misogyny that girls don't want to be around them. The hatred and grievance radiates off of them with every breath. They're threatening and off-putting in a way that your regular socially awkward dorky kid just wasn't 25 years ago. 

There were always kids that gave off those disturbing vibes, of course, but these rabbit holes are churning them out on a conveyor belt now. 

I keep seeing people say this, but the maga frat kids who lived across the street from me last semester always had girls doing the walk of shame on Sunday mornings. 

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6 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you go back and look at my post with videos addressing this very thing its pretty crazy. The only thing I disagree with is the notion of forcing members to take the feminine roll. There are members that gladly take that role like Catboykami. They are still oddly right wing too. Nick Fuentes broke up with catboy because he said Catboy was too extreme. 

I believe you because based on another post were you put us on to some underbelly and subculture stuff, you seem like a guy who is in the know.

Posted
3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

And Enchubben thinks that worldview is NOT racist.  White man = likely more qualified.  Black man = likely less qualified.  Without knowing a single other fact about them, their experience, education, etc., the Enchubbens of the world have ALREADY made that judgment.  Charlie Kirk said exactly that, in pretty plain language, several different ways.  And Enchubben thinks that not only is that okay, but it's one of the things that makes Charlie SO worthy of admiration and adoration.

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4 hours ago, Foosters said:

@Enchubben I assume you think Black people on your side, e.g. Wesley Hunt, also lack brain power and have taken the position from other qualified persons? 

No he's one of the good ones.  Just like my black friend.  My one black friend.

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I have a teenage kid who at one point was contemplating suicide because of bullying. We got in her phone and found she had tumbled down a dark rabbit hole online. So I know where to look to find info on the Nick Fuentes of the world. 

Yeah, those leftists the administration wants to target, like Nick Fuentes.
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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Interesting online post from a woman who is in the Texas BBQ/Food Scene. She says Robinson's roommate is transmaxing. I have to admit this part of the incel world is news to me.

 

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5 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

I have a teenage kid who at one point was contemplating suicide because of bullying. We got in her phone and found she had tumbled down a dark rabbit hole online. So I know where to look to find info on the Nick Fuentes of the world. 

Dear God, I'm sorry.

But yea, we checked our teens phones every other day. They got sneaky, but generally hard to get into a bad rhythm and pattern that truly radicalizes you when there is a monitoring protocol in place (and cell phones and laptops where checked in before bed in a central location).

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12 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I keep seeing people say this, but the maga frat kids who lived across the street from me last semester always had girls doing the walk of shame on Sunday mornings. 

They're all dipshits, but the right is a very diverse place. Moreso than you would think. Frat kids are a totally different scene. 

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21 hours ago, Bojack said:

He's not going to listen to any of that. He'll be back soon and he'll pretend that he either hasn't seen any of it, that there's nothing wrong with it, or pretend that he's too stupid to understand why anyone would have a problem with any of it and ask you to explain it to him or cite more examples. 

Don't forget "out of context" (narrator: the context is evident in the videos), "misquoted" (look at the videos), "text omitted to make it look worse than it is" (look at the videos), etc, etc, etc. Don't expect anything remotely resembling an intellectually honest argument or discussion from him or his ilk. They aren't capable of it, and even if they were, they wouldn't be interested in it anyway, because they know they can't win if they're being honest about shit.

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26 minutes ago, LateAughtsHorn said:

It's not for lack of trying. These kids are so heavily indoctrinated in such extreme misogyny that girls don't want to be around them. The hatred and grievance radiates off of them with every breath. They're threatening and off-putting in a way that your regular socially awkward dorky kid just wasn't 25 years ago. 

There were always kids that gave off those disturbing vibes, of course, but these rabbit holes are churning them out on a conveyor belt now. 

From what I've seen this is true. 2025 women are empowered and these boys just dont know how to handle it. So instead of working on their game they slink back into their holes and develop hatred for them, and the liberalistic world that allowed them to not be submissive to all men. Thats how they get red-pilled. Hating the world that built these empowered females. But boys need to get their rocks off, and effeminate boys are there for it. So you get this weird world where alt right boys are having sex with femboys while also making fun of the lgbtq community. We olds think those mental gymnastics are weird but they exist amongst the adults too. Take Rob Smith for example, a gay black conservative. He was sitting up there with Charlie Kirk, a guy who hates everything he represents, while Groypers were attacking Charlie, and there is Rob defending him. It was a weird moment if anyone saw that video. 

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13 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

I've been telling this board about cat ears people shoving things up their butt for awhile now. Its a burden being the most correct poster on here.
 

 

Except you forgot to mention their still somehow alt right. 

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2 hours ago, C-Man said:

Interesting online post from a woman who is in the Texas BBQ/Food Scene. She says Robinson's roommate is transmaxing. I have to admit this part of the incel world is news to me.

 

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Yes. This what the situation is exactly. I posted a book recommendation a few pages back and it is very relevant to this and how we got to where we are today. Starting in about 2012. It is all absurd. I am positive there are members of the FBI who are well aware of this subculture because they were also the perpetrators of Charlottesville. Again the book is Blackpill by Elle Reeve. Or just look up any of her writings or podcast visits, etc. 

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31 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I keep seeing people say this, but the maga frat kids who lived across the street from me last semester always had girls doing the walk of shame on Sunday mornings. 

The thing is, a lot of those maga frat kids DO have something to offer.  They dress well (at least for their chosen audience).  They have some social skills, can make chicks laugh, all that.  They have money, and can and will take a gal out to a nice seafood dinner.  Sure, in their heart, they're douchey assholes who have a higher chance of date-raping a gal, but they've got some game and some qualities that make them attractive to at least some women.  And let's not forget, there are plenty of maga women out there.  Those guys and the women who want to get with them have always existed.  Shit, 35+ years ago, I worked in a bar where a dude came in most every night with two different babes on his arm.  He was, at that exact time, on trial for being a slimeball who recorded himself having sex with a gal and then showing the video around town.  It was undisputed that he'd done it.  But, he was good looking, had money, and could be charming.  And that was enough, even though he was literally a judicially admitted giant piece of shit, for him to get girls (and attractive ones).

But even those women, who seemingly have little self-respect, aren't going to be interested in basement-dwelling dorks who don't know how to have a conversation and dress like shit and don't have the first clue about what women are actually interested in.

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20 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The stuff on the bullet casings was clear that we're dealing with some weird online shit that's beyond my comprehension. I disagree that targeting Kirk was "not political" especially after characterizing Robinson as "alt-right." Kirk's persona was purely political and while it may not have been "political" in the way us normies think there was a reason they targeted him specifically, likely along the lines of Fuentes' beef, but even "he's a bitch" from that world would almost certainly have some political slant to it within this strange alt-right world. I'm nevertheless still skeptical that the roomate was "trans" anything, probably just another weirdo familiar with this online world. I think it's almost certain that this was not a leftist in love with a trangendred person who shot Kirk for saying mean things about transgendered people. That story would have definitely been confirmed by now, if not by the FBI, by journalists just asking questions. This is some strange online world that appears to have roots in some form of alt-right atmosphere that I just don't understand and probably never will.

Hopefully I can help. We are going to start with shit posting: In Internet culture, shitposting or trashposting is the act of using an online forum or social media page to post content that is of "aggressively, ironically, and trollishly poor quality".[1] Shitposts are generally intentionally designed to derail discussions or cause the biggest reaction with the least effort. It may even sometimes be orchestrated as part of a co-ordinated flame war to render a website unusable by its regular visitors.

Dont worry about flame wars. So, I shit post about something, say its another school shooting. And I make memes or statements that are horrible but their selectively horrible because the meme or statement is only designed to piss you off. Online "bait". I get the reaction I want but also I'm still anonymous because my screen name is CharlieKirksGums or some dumb shit. I'm protected in my anonymity so I know generally nothing will happen to me. And I'm constantly doing it for the lulz because I don't see what I'm saying or "memeing" is actually doing. Now think of those people that always have to one-up you. And then times that by 10,000. The effect of trying to outdo the last person starts this tide of just horrific shit being said online.

While the above is happening, you hear about a message board that isn't as cool as Surly. Someone shoots you a link to 4Chan or some other horrible shit. You click on it and find like-minded individuals that are saying things for the shock value and the lulz. Yeah, you agree, all niggers are bad. Jews ruined the economy. Because you're plastered with concepts and ideas that you don't really understand but if you can make people like what you're saying, you keep going. And going. And going. So, you have to get more extreme in what you're posting to keep getting the lulz.

Now, there are actual white supremacists on these same message boards that are looking for someone like you. White kid, parents really not involved, not a member of your community, thought sports were gay, made fun of drama fags. These kids are a dime a dozen. And you're targeted by these people, made to feel like you fit in. They say whatever they can to make you a believer. They listen to your problems, agree with you, and then when the conversation via message board is done, they end it with something about fucking fags or bitches don't understand you.

Its insidious but so easy. Because these people on these message boards have so much experience trying to get you to their side. And they just keep hammering you with bull shit. But the smart ones slow roll you. You may type something on a message board and they will fire back with some totally made up "study" or news article to reinforce how correct they are and you're wrong. So this targeting of an average white kid continues because they've got their meat hooks in you and you don't even know it.

Then, and this is the most important step, they (the people targeting you) start with some whataboutisms. While also egging you on, like our generation of pics or it didn't happen or are you chicken. Because, wouldn't it be funny if someone shot this guy? Or, it would be hilarious to paint swastikas on a Jewish temple. And remember, you want the lulz. You want to make people laugh. But this entire time none of the memes, the shit posts, the whatever is real. And when you're playing your online game you hear how some dude in Indiana or Washington, or wherever, is gonna do something that is pretty hilarious. Because while you've been online and targeted and targeted, you're numb to real consequences. Because there was never any when you started shit posting.

You didn't realize you were really radicalized, and I don't think that's the accurate term. I think the term is numbed. You didn't realize your numb or radicalized to do some heinous shit because your entire sphere of influence thinks and says the exact same things that you are starting to believe. Your "normal" has shifted to a very abnormal way of thinking but you don't see that because you're in such an insular group that everyone else is wrong and you're right.

The last thing I'll say is that these black pill and accelerationists don't have any type of frame of reference to why their thinking is wrong. They want to burn it all down but don't realize that means their internet is gone. There's no power to charge their phones. They just want the lulz with no idea what that means 6 days from now. Add in the incel culture and you have a very easy mechanism to turn someone's world view upside down pretty quickly and easily. 

Just my $ 0.02 

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21 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Link is free to read. Probably the most comprehensive info provided so far. TLDR, this guy had no clear political leanings or motive. 

 

 

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Posted
47 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

When what you have to offer is....shit.

Yeah,  I can tell you a lot of these motherfuckers could never make it in sales.

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Posted
2 hours ago, HornPhD said:

If he had not been a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, disingenuous, right-wing troll, I bet more people would be speaking kindly of him. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, C-Man said:

Interesting online post from a woman who is in the Texas BBQ/Food Scene. She says Robinson's roommate is transmaxing. I have to admit this part of the incel world is news to me.

 

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Where does Zone Theory fit into all of this?

 

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

basement-dwelling dorks who don't know how to have a conversation and dress like shit and don't have the first clue about what women are actually interested in.

I mean, we had these in high school in the 90s too. They were the Star Wars kids. I’m sure they went to college and figured something out though. If social media had been around, would they have gone down the alt-right rabbit hole?

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Posted
5 minutes ago, coachherman'sgrill said:

Hopefully I can help. We are going to start with shit posting: In Internet culture, shitposting or trashposting is the act of using an online forum or social media page to post content that is of "aggressively, ironically, and trollishly poor quality".[1] Shitposts are generally intentionally designed to derail discussions or cause the biggest reaction with the least effort. It may even sometimes be orchestrated as part of a co-ordinated flame war to render a website unusable by its regular visitors.

Dont worry about flame wars. So, I shit post about something, say its another school shooting. And I make memes or statements that are horrible but their selectively horrible because the meme or statement is only designed to piss you off. Online "bait". I get the reaction I want but also I'm still anonymous because my screen name is CharlieKirksGums or some dumb shit. I'm protected in my anonymity so I know generally nothing will happen to me. And I'm constantly doing it for the lulz because I don't see what I'm saying or "memeing" is actually doing. Now think of those people that always have to one-up you. And then times that by 10,000. The effect of trying to outdo the last person starts this tide of just horrific shit being said online.

While the above is happening, you hear about a message board that isn't as cool as Surly. Someone shoots you a link to 4Chan or some other horrible shit. You click on it and find like-minded individuals that are saying things for the shock value and the lulz. Yeah, you agree, all niggers are bad. Jews ruined the economy. Because you're plastered with concepts and ideas that you don't really understand but if you can make people like what you're saying, you keep going. And going. And going. So, you have to get more extreme in what you're posting to keep getting the lulz.

Now, there are actual white supremacists on these same message boards that are looking for someone like you. White kid, parents really not involved, not a member of your community, thought sports were gay, made fun of drama fags. These kids are a dime a dozen. And you're targeted by these people, made to feel like you fit in. They say whatever they can to make you a believer. They listen to your problems, agree with you, and then when the conversation via message board is done, they end it with something about fucking fags or bitches don't understand you.

Its insidious but so easy. Because these people on these message boards have so much experience trying to get you to their side. And they just keep hammering you with bull shit. But the smart ones slow roll you. You may type something on a message board and they will fire back with some totally made up "study" or news article to reinforce how correct they are and you're wrong. So this targeting of an average white kid continues because they've got their meat hooks in you and you don't even know it.

Then, and this is the most important step, they (the people targeting you) start with some whataboutisms. While also egging you on, like our generation of pics or it didn't happen or are you chicken. Because, wouldn't it be funny if someone shot this guy? Or, it would be hilarious to paint swastikas on a Jewish temple. And remember, you want the lulz. You want to make people laugh. But this entire time none of the memes, the shit posts, the whatever is real. And when you're playing your online game you hear how some dude in Indiana or Washington, or wherever, is gonna do something that is pretty hilarious. Because while you've been online and targeted and targeted, you're numb to real consequences. Because there was never any when you started shit posting.

You didn't realize you were really radicalized, and I don't think that's the accurate term. I think the term is numbed. You didn't realize your numb or radicalized to do some heinous shit because your entire sphere of influence thinks and says the exact same things that you are starting to believe. Your "normal" has shifted to a very abnormal way of thinking but you don't see that because you're in such an insular group that everyone else is wrong and you're right.

The last thing I'll say is that these black pill and accelerationists don't have any type of frame of reference to why their thinking is wrong. They want to burn it all down but don't realize that means their internet is gone. There's no power to charge their phones. They just want the lulz with no idea what that means 6 days from now. Add in the incel culture and you have a very easy mechanism to turn someone's world view upside down pretty quickly and easily. 

Just my $ 0.02 

TLDR: we would all be better off if folks lived in a simpler, more innocent internet ecosystem like Surly, where people just need tree fiddy to PM Derka about muledick.

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Posted
2 hours ago, C-Man said:

Interesting online post from a woman who is in the Texas BBQ/Food Scene. She says Robinson's roommate is transmaxing. I have to admit this part of the incel world is news to me.

 

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"Lance Twiggs is not trans.  He is transmaxing.  These boys are icels.  They've decided women don't pay attention to them... and won't have sex with them."

 

Damn.   Is "transmaxxing" what we call being married these days?  

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Posted
24 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

2025 women are empowered and these boys just dont know how to handle it.

People say this, but girls have always had half the money and all the, well, you know. We all had to work to make ourselves attractive to them, that really hadn't changed. We aren't comparing to the Victorian era of female subjugation here, but the late 20th century. Women's gains in this context have been in other areas.

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Posted
1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

I mean, we had these in high school in the 90s too. They were the Star Wars kids. I’m sure they went to college and figured something out though. If social media had been around, would they have gone down the alt-right rabbit hole?

I think the point is....they might have.

Without anywhere else to hide/seek refuge, a lot more of them realized "welp, I guess I better go buy and put on some big-boy pants and go out and learn how to live in the real world."  Alternative universes were a lot harder to find and immerse yourself in (not that they were impossible, just harder to cobble together consistently).

And again, the rabbit-hole these guys are going down doesn't fit neatly into "alt-right," "right," or "left."  It's a fucking chimera of random, often outrageous and/or frustrated, worldviews and positions.  You can pluck one thing they say and it's pure leftism out of Das Capital, then the very next term they use is pure modern Christofascism.  

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Posted
2 hours ago, bolverk said:

 

There's a lot to unpack here. One thing I'll point out is the cruelty of using social pressure to force someone into a gender that they are not. Much like forces transpeople to remain in the one that they aren't.

Does this "transmaxxing" extend to actual surgery? Seriously, imagining some weak-willed, Theojon-like, but straight cis guy, to have his dick chopped off, undergo a surgical procedure to construct a vagina, take hormones, grow tits, and all that just so that he can be forced into having sex with other guys because they can't get it anywhere else. What a gotdam torturous nightmare.

That's just about the most fucked up thing I've ever heard of, if it's actually a thing.

No, its someone in the friend group thats convinced to give up their bussy. Usually the physically weakest person. They get used and its ok because their one of the boyz and not some bitch woman that one give them the time of day. But, they don't realize not all women like smelly, socially awkward guys that really have absolutely nothing going on in life. 

Sorry but I don't make the rules. And oh yeah, they gay bash while fucking their transmax boy. 

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

TLDR: we would all be better off if folks lived in a simpler, more innocent internet ecosystem like Surly, where people just need tree fiddy to PM Derka about muledick.

I agree but for parents with kids in the teens, this is something you have to monitor and get ahead of. Incels and groyphers wear their badge like its an honor but their going to a place that's hard to come back from. 

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