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The Hitchhiker’s Guide To Why Rand Paul’s demand on hemp is critical to a speedy re-opening of the government Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) was the only Republican who broke with his party and voted no on the test vote to break a filibuster on the deal to re-open the government. Paul voted nay because he wants a guarantee of a change in the bill regarding hemp. The measure prevents “unregulated sales” of “intoxicating hemp-based” products at gas stations and small retailers. It preserves the sale of non-intoxicating CBD in other hemp related products. So, if the Senate got 60 votes last night to break the filibuster and only needs 51 to pass the bill, why is the Senate stymied by Paul? It’s about speed. Buckle down for this next part. It gets complicated. The vote last night was on breaking a filibuster to proceed to the original House-passed spending measure from September. That needs 60 yeas   Therefore, the Senate has just broken a filibuster to begin work on the bill. By rule, the Senate can run out 30 hours of debate after breaking the filibuster, unless Paul relents. That would get us to a minor procedural vote to actually get on the bill by dawn Tuesday morning. That is, unless there’s an agreement with Paul - or for that matter - other Democratic senators to expedite things. But wait. There’s more. The intention of Senate Majority Leader John Thune (R-SD) - and this was done with a wink and a nod to secure an agreement last night - is for him to file what’s called a “substitute” amendment. A substitute simply removes the House’s old bill text and replaces it with the new spending package. But because this is a substitute amendment, Thune must then “file clotute” to break a filibuster on that. By rule, Thune could not do that until Tuesday. Cloture petitions require an intervening day before ripening. So that means the Senate could not vote to break a filibuster on the substitute (e.g. - the new bill) until Thursday. Again that needs 60 yeas. And if there’s no deal, the Senate could bleed out another clock before voting yes or no on the substitute. Presumably that would be Friday. But we’re not done yet. If the Senate adopts the new text on Friday, then Thune must file cloture again on the underlying bill Friday, wait a day (Saturday) and then have a vote on to break a filibuster on that (again needing 60) NEXT Sunday. This scenario means that the Senate would finally pass the newly revamped spending bill NEXT Monday. And it would mean that the House doesn’t tackle the bill until Tuesday or Wednesday next week. So it really stretches out the government shutdown. That said, this is probably not going to happen. That’s doing things by the book. But it’s also why it’s in the interest of Thune to get a deal with Paul to accelerate things. Otherwise, Paul or the Democrats who oppose the bill can really slow things down and extend the shutdown.

 

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3 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

"Masterful gambit" is a catchphrase/meme. Sarcasm. 

 

I guess I missed the code lesson. Still, I don't think it was intended as ironic nor are people responding to it as though they are. Whatever, my friend.

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32 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:


This. Outside of any real reform of Congress, reforming the filibuster is kind of a nothing burger.

The whole idea of the Senate is really antiquated IMO. Once they went to popularly elected senators it just became House -1.0 that favors smaller states vs. a true upper chamber with equal representation for each state. 
Maybe if we went back to the old version people would give a shit more on state races?

Ahhh who am I kidding. People want to be ruled by kleptocrats and authoritarians because they’d rather goon themselves into oblivion, watch the real housewives, or distract themselves with sports than pay attention or take any responsibility. This way they can bitch and have the smug sense of be right about the system being rigged. It’s more troubling to know that things are shitty because your decisions made it shitty because of you you voted for.

The bigger issue is 100 senators where:

5 states have populations under 1m

Another 7 with pops between 1 and  2m.

Another 5 with pops between 2 and 3m

17 states have entirely too much power. 

54% of the country lives in 10 states (CA, TX, FL, NY, IL, PA, OH, GA. NC & MI.  All of those states have 10m or more in pop.  

Those ten states have less collective power than 17 states with less than 3m people.  

There are 12 metro areas/cities those ten states with more people than the combined pops of the smallest 5.  

I'd be in favor of redrawing some state lines.  AK and HI would be the outliers and im not sure how you'd handled them but there sure as fuck should be two Dakotas, WV, WY, etc.  That's the real redistricting.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Wouldn't that be a Remington Steele dildo?

And the joke goes right over your small head.  Unlike Lexingtons.   

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1 minute ago, Macanudo said:

And the joke goes right over your small head.  Unlike Lexingtons.   

I mean, at least I asked the question with a question mark. No argument on the rest of it. 

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2 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

Right. So nothing ever gets done. Even when the minority party likes the legislation because it would give the majority party a win and hurt them politically.

The filibuster is turning us into an executive autocracy with elections every four years. The legislature cannot do needed things so power and responsibility just accumulates with the President. The Constitution needs the filibuster gone.

Also the filibuster is already gone for judges, SCOTUS seats, and funding bills. So it only hurts Dems. GOP can pass all it’s priorities without it

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7 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Decent breakdown if you want to understand more of the politics.

 

We could have had short term pain for long term gain. Instead we get both short term pain and long term pain. 

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8 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I guess I missed the code lesson. Still, I don't think it was intended as ironic nor are people responding to it as though they are. Whatever, my friend.

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Here is the origin. It was clearly intended as ironic if you're familiar with the meme, but thats the risk of tweeting a meme not everyone is aware of. 

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23 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Decent breakdown if you want to understand more of the politics.

 

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In the meantime, the Sunday breakthrough isn’t a done deal. There will be some House GOP hardliners who won’t like the minor concessions Republicans made, and they will also be noisily signaling their hostility to doing anything on the Obamacare-premium subsidies, which is bad messaging for Republicans. Keeping the yahoos in line will be Speaker Mike Johnson’s job, and it will be interesting to see if he needs Trump’s help to do so (and whether a grumpy Trump complies).

This is a good explanation of the bigger picture. 

IMHO Mike Johnson didn't want to bring the House back before the special election that will be held in December in Tennessee (which will give the GOP enough votes to stop the discharge petition on the Epstein files). 

Now he has to bring everyone back before he was ready, and also there's no guarantee that he can get his caucus to support the Senate version of the bill. Importantly, there isn't a filibuster in the House so if things go to shit (they will) then it's all on the GOP at that point. 

That said, the optics of this are bad and Schumer deserves a lot of heat for it. Make no mistake - he was driving this and the caucus agreed who would be the 8 to cross over and take the heat. 

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2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

That said, the optics of this are bad and Schumer deserves a lot of heat for it. Make no mistake - he was driving this and the caucus agreed who would be the 8 to cross over and take the heat. 

The Dems have been playing this designated villain technique for years. They got 8 volunteers and covered the rest of their asses. If it wasn't these 8, it would have been 8 others.

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14 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Nobody should give a fuck about politics when US citizens are being kidnapped by masked federal agents and held without ability to call attorneys or families, and sometimes intentionally moved to a different jurisdiction to defeat a habeas filing. The admin engages in unconstitutional and illegal activities on the daily, and you and these 8 senators think talking points about healthcare is somehow an accomplishment? GTFO- that’s stupid 

Me? I'm not OK with it. I do, however, understand it. They were always going to lose. The government was going to open with or without them. They chose with.

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Me? I'm not OK with it. I do, however, understand it. They were always going to lose. The government was going to open with or without them. They chose with.

They chose poorly.

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Just now, Valmy77 said:

They chose poorly.

How did you think it was going to play out. Two more weeks? Through Thanksgiving? Christmas? 

The Republicans would have passed it without Democrats anyway. That's what I wanted to happen.

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12 minutes ago, Blotto said:

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Here is the origin. It was clearly intended as ironic if you're familiar with the meme, but thats the risk of tweeting a meme not everyone is aware of. 

Thanks. I had no knowledge of that. Still, isn't she talking about a gambit that is working?

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You kids.

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10 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

How did you think it was going to play out. Two more weeks? Through Thanksgiving? Christmas? 

The Republicans would have passed it without Democrats anyway. That's what I wanted to happen.

That is also what I wanted to happen.

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If the ACA subsidies go away and people's premiums triple or something, there will be outrage and they'll solely blame the R's and rightfully so.  The Dems should have never been delaying this vote.  Give the R's enough rope to hang themselves.
 

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

They really, really, really want to protect the filibuster.

Sad!

Yes and yes.

They would rather people lose their health care than put themselves in the embarrasing position of having to legislate and govern.

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6 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Well we just won a small batch of elections in spite of these bumbling idiots.  I suppose it could happen again in 12 months.  That’s all I got for copium.  

It 100 percent depends on how badly the regular worker, especially trump assholes, are getting fucked over by the economy in ways obvious to their dumbasses. Things like not affording groceries, utilities, housing, and insurance will do it. 2008 was so bad after the republican Bush fuck ups that these racists voted for Obama, or at least didnt rise up against him in large numbers. 

That's what it takes. They're too stupid to be proactive and problem solve. They're pure amygdola. Purely reactionary. And they have the long term memory of Lucy Whitmore. They have to be hurting right then in election season. 

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Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, Pancho said:

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Ok so if there was no possibility to win then why did they win? That doesn't make any sense.

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8 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

It 100 percent depends on how badly the regular worker, especially trump assholes, are getting fucked over by the economy in ways obvious to their dumbasses. Things like not affording groceries, utilities, housing, and insurance will do it. 2008 was so bad after the republican Bush fuck ups that these racists voted for Obama, or at least didnt rise up against him in large numbers. 

That's what it takes. They're too stupid to be proactive and problem solve. They're pure amygdola. Purely reactionary. And they have the long term memory of Lucy Whitmore. They have to be hurting right then in election season. 

Bush was here for 8 years while Don is “cleaning up the Dems mess”

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Nothing says you won a political fight than a bunch of big brain think pieces about how you obviously won despite everyone saying you lost. 

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1 minute ago, SydneyCarton said:

If the Dems had held out for two more weeks of bad travel, and the repubs abolishing the filibuster, which they eventually would have done, then this would have been a victory. Instead it's just a waste of everyone's fucking time. 

Oh...so i see you ARE familiar with the Dems' game.

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Some of you are under the illusion that the GOP wanted to open the government. They were just fine letting Trump do his thing without the inconvenience of a legislature.

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3 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Some of you are under the illusion that the GOP wanted to open the government. They were just fine letting Trump do his thing without the inconvenience of a legislature.

They were fine with it until the polls started showing people were hanging it on Republicans.  So seeing that fear, the Dems decided that it was time for them to fold while they had a winning hand.  

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8 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Some of you are under the illusion that the GOP wanted to open the government. They were just fine letting Trump do his thing without the inconvenience of a legislature.

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2 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Some of you are under the illusion that the GOP wanted to open the government. They were just fine letting Trump do his thing without the inconvenience of a legislature.

The legislature has done nothing in 9 months except that bloated omnibus that Schumer caved on in the spring. They serve no purpose and the shutdown was limiting how badly trump could continue fucking everything up. 

The fact he was owning the shutdown, and the majority of Americans were blaming him, was the biggest win you could get in this. He needed the shutdown to end, it's why he was begging Thune to end the filibuster.  All the pressure was on him and by proxy on Thune and the other republicans. 

All democrats had to do was flood the zone with the messaging I put earlier in this thread. The blame was on republicans and trump. The people were already blaming him. Just keep tightening the squeeze until he folded. 

The American people are not going to go unscathed in this. My work was impacted during the shutdown, we were not getting the funding we get from OPTN during the shutdown, and while it didn't shut us down it slowed things down. I was soft furloughed for all but 4 days out of 2 1/2 weeks at the end of October. It affected my pay. 

But I still didnt want the democrats to cave because the long term viability of the country is way bigger than reduced pay for a couple of months. People are going to suffer to fight authoritarianism. There's no way around it now. 

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It is very possible that once flights started getting disrupted that the money people called in their favors.

That's exactly what happened. Their overlords decided when this was going to end.
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So the new CR creates a legal avenue for Senators to sue the government and receive $500k if their phone records are subpoenaed without notice. It’s retroactive to the Jack Smith’s investigation.

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11 minutes ago, hornmpa96 said:

So the new CR creates a legal avenue for Senators to sue the government and receive $500k if their phone records are subpoenaed without notice. It’s retroactive to the Jack Smith’s investigation.

Just what we need.  To protect senators.  Jesus 

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

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I reject the premise of his argument that anyone’s end goal was actually getting the subsidies extended. We knew it wasn’t going to happen. But we should have made the Rs own it. 

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2 hours ago, Macanudo said:

The bigger issue is 100 senators where:

5 states have populations under 1m

Another 7 with pops between 1 and  2m.

Another 5 with pops between 2 and 3m

17 states have entirely too much power. 

54% of the country lives in 10 states (CA, TX, FL, NY, IL, PA, OH, GA. NC & MI.  All of those states have 10m or more in pop.  

Those ten states have less collective power than 17 states with less than 3m people.  

There are 12 metro areas/cities those ten states with more people than the combined pops of the smallest 5.  

I'd be in favor of redrawing some state lines.  AK and HI would be the outliers and im not sure how you'd handled them but there sure as fuck should be two Dakotas, WV, WY, etc.  That's the real redistricting.

Cliffs notes:

Senate=DEI for small states

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4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I reject the premise of his argument that anyone’s end goal was actually getting the subsidies extended. We knew it wasn’t going to happen. But we should have made the Rs own it. 

Fuck this.  It was MY goal.  You achieve such goals by fighting to the fucking death.  Cowards are unable to do that.

The American people get fucked.  Again.  On repeat.

The Dems are goddamned Pvt. Downey over there shrieking about how "we did nothing wrong!"  The fuck you didn't, you limpdick fucking losers who have no stomach for a fight for a cause that fucking matters.  Pvt. Dawson put it straight:

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We.  The fucking.  PEOPLE.  First three words of the motherfucking Constitution.  All of you fuckers work for us.  Except, you fucking don't.  You fucking betray your oath, your country, and your people, every day as easily as you fucking breathe.  Whether you're the sadistic executioner (GQP) or the milquetoast enabler (Dem), the outcome is the same.  You live in comfort and increasing wealth, while the people get fucked and squeezed even harder.

The American people need to order and perform a metric shit ton of Code Reds.

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1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

Yes and yes.

They would rather people lose their health care than put themselves in the embarrasing position of having to legislate and govern.

They were going to lose that fight anyway. Republicans aren't going to vote for those subsidies.

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2 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Don’t piss on my leg and tell me it’s raining

 

What if it wasn’t pee to begin with?

 

 

 

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Republicans voted for ACA subsidies when they were first implemented in 2020, it wasn't a huge stretch to think they'd vote for them again if they felt political pressure to do so. Frankly, I thought it was an insufficient ask when this shutdown started because any sensible Republican party would've just said "ok fine" then claimed credit for passing a bill to lower healthcare costs. Their ideological hatred of poor people and/or Trump's refusal to ever admit defeat led the GOP to some really really fucking stupid behavior in response to what was a pretty aimless Dem shutdown. 

Basically, Dems played a bad hand poorly but the GOP played a better hand much worse, and they somehow ended up in a draw. Then, the Dems inexplicably folded after the river was dealt and the GOP had shown their hand. 

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The Real Reason Dems Caved on Shutdown Will Make You Want to Scream

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More than a dozen House and Senate Democrats expressed anxiety that actually preserving premium subsidies for the Affordable Care Act’s enhanced premium tax credits through their shutdown demands could strip them of a winning issue in the coming midterms, reported The New York Times. Their secondary anxiety involved the powerful Senate filibuster, fearing that conservatives might actually bow to Donald Trump’s demands to ax the disruptive legislative tool.

“The political logic of the shutdown fight was inverted: If Democrats got the tax credits extended—if they ‘won’—they would be solving a huge electoral problem for Republicans,” reported the Times. “If Republicans successfully allowed the tax credits to expire—if they ‘won’—they would be handing Democrats a cudgel with which to beat them in the elections.”

 

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10 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Shit-Lib enablers are a large part of the problem. 
 

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Local Citizens United supporter denounces “Shit-Lib enablers”

1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

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I wonder what she’s doing these days. 

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

Local Citizens United supporter denounces “Shit-Lib enablers”

I wonder what she’s doing these days. 

Well....if she has any awareness of current events, likely the exact same thing.

Unless she's from Katy or Frisco or somesuch, in which case she's probably busy helping run the local "Moms for Liberty" chapter.

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