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59 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's just not true.

Neither you or I have the support at our finger tips to support that claim.  Its my opinion based upon my observation.  IMO, you also used to post more rationally.  You've joined the emotional group think on this forum.  You're now part of the gang that likes your comments here.  The bubble supports you.  I'm not here to be contrarian but calling things how i see it.  Agreement or not.  Or, you also can just tell me to fuck right off.    

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7 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

Neither you or I have the support at our finger tips to support that claim.  Its my opinion based upon my observation.  IMO, you also used to post more rationally.  You've joined the emotional group think on this forum.  You're now part of the gang that likes your comments here.  The bubble supports you.  I'm not here to be contrarian but calling things how i see it.  Agreement or not.  Or, you also can just tell me to fuck right off.    

You should be imprisoned at alligator Alcatraz.

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16 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

Neither you or I have the support at our finger tips to support that claim.  Its my opinion based upon my observation.  IMO, you also used to post more rationally.  You've joined the emotional group think on this forum.  You're now part of the gang that likes your comments here.  The bubble supports you.  I'm not here to be contrarian but calling things how i see it.  Agreement or not.  Or, you also can just tell me to fuck right off.    

See Fooster's post.  See all the shit Trump does that would have gotten 44 other presidents impeached indicted and convicted, yet he still gets reelected by complete dumbfucks and supported unquestioningly by his party, who really ought to know better.

I'm still quite rational.  And  . . .

THE CLOAK ROOM IS RIGHT!  Sure, it gets drawn offsides by the occasional bullshit tweet or hysterical article, but in the grand scheme of US history, we are correct.

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On 7/22/2025 at 12:37 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

In all seriousness that is a very broken person whom society has let down.
People need community and they need a sense of purpose and belonging to something bigger than themselves. Organized religion, for all of its many flaws, once filled that need. So did bowling leagues and Freemasonry. For some of us, volunteering or work or even this board fills that need. For some of these people MAGA fills that need. I see those people as victims in an epidemic of isolation and loneliness, even if they aren’t blameless. 
 

When Talarico was on Rogan he said something to the effect that you can only love god as much as you love the person who you love the least. That’s a a Christian perspective. But regardless of the Christianity involved, can we honestly look at that person and not see someone in pain? I can’t. 

 

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2 hours ago, RollLeft said:

...this is true of 80% of people on BOTH sides of the aisle.  Just the way it is. 

 

37 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

Neither you or I have the support at our finger tips to support that claim.  It’s my opinion based upon my observation.   

No, actually we do, and you should look at some easily available real life examples:

Sen. Bob Menendez, post indictment 

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  • Menendez’s approval is at 22% among Democrats and 9% among Republicans and independent voters. The Senator’s approval is highest among voters under 30, at 30%, and lowest among voters over 60, at 7%. 

Dems demand Menendez resign


on the other hand:

The impact of Trump verdicts:

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The verdict is mobilizing Republicans.One of the few things that have changed after the verdict: Republicans grew more likely to say they would vote for Trump.

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26 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

yet he still gets reelected by complete dumbfucks and supported unquestioningly by his party, who really ought to know better.

What side are we talking about here?  It works both ways.  Either you pander to the extreme on one side or the extreme on the other.  Apparently that's how you get a base in this country. i don't align with either extreme.  

Can't we just enjoy the job Scotty B is doing.  The fact that the right is being lead by a gay man, stutter and all, pisses off both the left for his aligning with the right (former Soros guy) and the far right homophobes.  Its the chefs kiss, in my opinion.  BravfuckingO.  

Lets see how Donald handles the farmer labor shortage.  Either he panders to the farmers or the racists in the base.  If he sides with the farmers how then do you tell your general contractors no soup for you and how does that align with kick the browns out.  They need to do a much better job deliniating who they don't want in this and country and who is ok to stay.  Maybe the Florida "Dignity" bill will assist.  Its too early right now they will deflect that for some time.  They need the hate momentum right now to get a few more bad guys out.  

What will be interesting will be the next election.  The left should benefit from a knee jerk to this administration but they've got NOBODY.  JD is bright but has that Pesky Marco who is gonna split the party.  Until then keep the "You got a small peen!" memes coming.  That's some funny shit, but also sad because that's all the left has got right now.  Just saying. 

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7 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

What side are we talking about here?  It works both ways.  Either you pander to the extreme on one side or the extreme on the other.  Apparently that's how you get a base in this country. i don't align with either extreme.  

Can't we just enjoy the job Scotty B is doing.  The fact that the right is being lead by a gay man, stutter and all, pisses off both the left for his aligning with the right (former Soros guy) and the far right homophobes.  Its the chefs kiss, in my opinion.  BravfuckingO.  

Lets see how Donald handles the farmer labor shortage.  Either he panders to the farmers or the racists in the base.  If he sides with the farmers how then do you tell your general contractors no soup for you and how does that align with kick the browns out.  They need to do a much better job deliniating who they don't want in this and country and who is ok to stay.  Maybe the Florida "Dignity" bill will assist.  Its too early right now they will deflect that for some time.  They need the hate momentum right now to get a few more bad guys out.  

What will be interesting will be the next election.  The left should benefit from a knee jerk to this administration but they've got NOBODY.  JD is bright but has that Pesky Marco who is gonna split the party.  Until then keep the "You got a small peen!" memes coming.  That's some funny shit, but also sad because that's all the left has got right now.  Just saying. 

What great job is "Scotty B" doing? Barely restraining Trumps worst impulses? 

It doesn't bother you in the least that Trump is firing civil servants and openly defying courts while trying to punish disloyal private businesses? 

When did democrats ever do something even remotely similar? 

It's becoming clearer that you're a "muh taxes" dude that couldn't give a fuck about anything else. 

 

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

What great job is "Scotty B" doing? Barely restraining Trumps worst impulses? 

It doesn't bother you in the least that Trump is firing civil servants and openly defying courts while trying to punish disloyal private businesses? 

When did democrats ever do something even remotely similar? 

If anyone has done something wrong.  Prosecute them.  Its that simple.  Let the courts decide.  I don't care who it is.   

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1 minute ago, RollLeft said:

If anyone has done something wrong.  Prosecute them.  Its that simple.  Let the courts decide.  I don't care who it is.   

Like the J6 rioters?

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Posted
3 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

If anyone has done something wrong.  Prosecute them.  Its that simple.  Let the courts decide.  I don't care who it is.   

one more time

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Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

They did. Then they were all pardoned.

So either change the law or win the whole got damn thing so you have that power.  See Hunter Biden. Works both ways my friend.

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16 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

What side are we talking about here?  It works both ways.  Either you pander to the extreme on one side or the extreme on the other.  Apparently that's how you get a base in this country. i don't align with either extreme.  

This is a dangerous misunderstanding of the situation in this country. 
first- the purpose of the two parties is to coordinate effort and win elections, but the most important function they played traditionally is to coopt and neutralize radical outsider factions. The Democratic Party has a radical outsider element of around 15%. While noisy, this faction is contained and has no power.

The Republican Party has been radicalized. It is now an insurgent outlier party with only 15-20% of its base occupying a political space in the traditional American conservative tradition.

Theres a ton of formal political science research backing up that conclusion, since well before Trump. Trump is just their avatar. 
The Democratic Party sucks in the normal way of political parties but is in no way controlled by its extreme. The fact that you think it is demonstrates a poor media diet or perhaps normalcy bias. 
As most people here should have understood long ago, I have not thought of myself as a Democrat in a decade, and am not any sort a of progressive. But I do consider myself a co-belligerent of the Democrats because The Republic and the institutions that hold up civilization are facing existential risk from within the political system. We are drifting towards South American style  authoritarian kleptocracy. 

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2 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

 

The Democrat Party has been radicalized. It is now an insurgent outlier party with only blah blah blah

You smell of smoke and refuse to believe you stink from being in a smoker's room for the last decade. 

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2 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

So either change the law or win the whole got damn thing so you have that power.  See Hunter Biden. Works both ways my friend.

Actually a great example of normal shittiness- Hunter Biden, well connected son of politicians who parleys that into medium sized money, only to get shamed and charge with a crime, brings shame on whole family. 
The first family- issues a meme coin and other projects to monetize the executive branch and sell favors immediately upon taking office, while simultaneously dismantling non-partisan bureaucracies. This is the South America playbook- to dismantle institutions and make leaders the source of services. You don’t need to make free speech illegal when the lives and fortunes of your subjects are dependent on your favor. 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

 

14 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

If anyone has done something wrong.  Prosecute them.  Its that simple.  Let the courts decide.  I don't care who it is.   

 

Objection. Non-responsive. 

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2 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

You smell of smoke and refuse to believe you stink from being in a smoker's room for the last decade. 

You have no idea what rooms I’m in, but I’m pretty sure you watch cable news.

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11 minutes ago, safe sex said:

Imagine thinking that the Democrats pander to the far left lmao. @RollLeft gtfo with that bullshit take

These idiots would legit be shocked how barely left of center (if at all) America's Democratic Party would be considered in pretty much any other first world democracy on the planet. 

But when you only consume "radical left this, socialist that, Communist this, Marxist that, woke this, trans that" from propagandists, this is what you get.

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12 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

We are drifting towards South American style  authoritarian kleptocracy. 

I know this is the concern for some of you.  Do you know why I'm not concerned because 1) we will never agree to the definition of when we get there so we will never get there 2) the free press 3) the courts 4) we've got too many people like you and others who actually believe this is the fight and are fighting it 5) i don't believe that Trump, even with some people like this in his ear, ultimately wants that. (insert all your kilmar abrego retort here)

For all his faults he's a business man who will sell out ANYONE for his image/ buck.  In the end he knows being a racist klepto has no end game except being a 3rd world country.  So He's doing, right or wrong to you, what he thinks is best for country, which was IN FACT, walking toward economic disaster.  its first and always first about the economy.  That said he has made his personal social views align with half the country who have anti-left social views.  So good for him and those that think like him, i guess.  For too long this country has favored social justice issues over simple economics. It didn't have to be either or but in my opinion we took our eye off the ball for dumb shit for too long. 

As for Trumps family making money on whatever.  IF he's broken the law, prosecute him.  IF not why do you care?  We haven't done much about how AOC a former bar tender is now worth 20million.  The hypocrisy is on both sides. 

23 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

You have no idea what rooms I’m in, but I’m pretty sure you watch cable news.

if i had cable maybe

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1 minute ago, RollLeft said:

 For too long this country has favored social justice issues over simple economics. It didn't have to be either or but in my opinion we took our eye off the ball for dumb shit for too long. 

And I Oop GIF by MOODMAN

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6 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

That said he has made his personal social views align with half the country who have anti-left social views.  So good for him and those that think like him, i guess.  For too long this country has favored social justice issues over simple economics. It didn't have to be either or but in my opinion we took our eye off the ball for dumb shit for too long. 

As for Trumps family making money on whatever.  IF he's broken the law, prosecute him.  IF not why do you care?  We haven't done much about how AOC a former bar tender is now worth 20million.  The hypocrisy is on both sides. 

if i had cable maybe

for those in the back

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I'll ask again:

Where's the "hyperbole" in people being essentially kidnapped without due process, unable to communicate with their families, and sent to a foreign country to be starved and beaten? 

And what kind of government would you call that?

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9 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

I know this is the concern for some of you.  Do you know why I'm not concerned because 1) we will never agree to the definition of when we get there so we will never get there 2) the free press 3) the courts 4) we've got too many people like you and others who actually believe this is the fight and are fighting it 5) i don't believe that Trump, even with some people like this in his ear, ultimately wants that. (insert all your kilmar abrego retort here)

1) Trust me, you will know when we get there. But by then it will be too late. It might already be.
2) The free press? All they do is bear witness as the light go out. And besides, in a modern autocracy,  tolerating a critical press is one of the ways they maintain the fiction of democracy. 
3) The court are a jump ball right now, and the autocratics have length advantage. The Dems have a defensive-PG out there. 
4) Thank you, but I don’t actually think there are many of us. 
5) Finally, this is not about Trump. Trump is a symptom. The AEI (the last traditional conservative think tank published that piece in 2012. Norm Ornstein and other conservative political scientists started ringing alarm bells about this well over a decade ago. I’m far  less concerned about Trump than I am about what the office of the President will be capable of without any checks and balances. 

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44 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

These idiots would legit be shocked how barely left of center (if at all) America's Democratic Party would be considered in pretty much any other first world democracy on the planet. 

But when you only consume "radical left this, socialist that, Communist this, Marxist that, woke this, trans that" from propagandists, this is what you get.

Ain't that the fucking truth. In many, many countries, the Dems would be considered right-of-center. For example, most French people now consider Macron to be somewhat to the right.

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God damn it, Dad. Did you really have to create a Surly account and make your way to CR? Isn't getting dunked on by all your children and in-laws at every family gathering enough for you?

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30 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

I know this is the concern for some of you.  Do you know why I'm not concerned because 1) we will never agree to the definition of when we get there so we will never get there

"We will never have a holocaust because I will deny it."

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31 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Ain't that the fucking truth. In many, many countries, the Dems would be considered right-of-center. For example, most French people now consider Macron to be somewhat to the right.

Bernie Sanders is so far to the left on the American political spectrum that he's not even a Democrat and still his proposed top marginal tax rate of 54 percent was just a mere 4 points higher than where it stood after the Reagan Revolution's first tax cut. 

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Amusing but sad but amusing - admittedly I most likelly watched it only bc of the cute woman in the USC sweater

 

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if i had cable maybe

AOC has a net worth of $20M? You sticking with that?

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Show. Your. Work.

Lot of bullshit in your wall of words. Lots.
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Hey, @RollLeft, fuck you. Fuck you, the parents who raised you, anyone who has ever given you comfort, and the damned you might have fathered.

No one has the time to walk you through all the shit you ignore. DIAF.

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13 hours ago, RollLeft said:

I know this is the concern for some of you.  Do you know why I'm not concerned because 1) we will never agree to the definition of when we get there so we will never get there 2) the free press 3) the courts 4) we've got too many people like you and others who actually believe this is the fight and are fighting it 5) i don't believe that Trump, even with some people like this in his ear, ultimately wants that. (insert all your kilmar abrego retort here)

For all his faults he's a business man who will sell out ANYONE for his image/ buck.  In the end he knows being a racist klepto has no end game except being a 3rd world country.  So He's doing, right or wrong to you, what he thinks is best for country, which was IN FACT, walking toward economic disaster.  its first and always first about the economy.  That said he has made his personal social views align with half the country who have anti-left social views.  So good for him and those that think like him, i guess.  For too long this country has favored social justice issues over simple economics. It didn't have to be either or but in my opinion we took our eye off the ball for dumb shit for too long. 

As for Trumps family making money on whatever.  IF he's broken the law, prosecute him.  IF not why do you care?  We haven't done much about how AOC a former bar tender is now worth 20million.  The hypocrisy is on both sides. 

if i had cable maybe

AOC is worth 20 million?  You need to unplug.  Jesus fucking Christ.

Trump has the free press and courts under complete assault.

And also, how's that deficit doing?  You think Trump is doing anything good for the economy?

Are you out of your fucking mind?

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I sweatergawd, every time a DT poster comes in here, it posts some shit that is a dead giveaway that they have sucked up propaganda.

AOC.  Twenty million dollars.  Christ. On. A. Crutch.

Do you fuckers realize what we do with even "lefties" that come in here with such misinformation?

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Posted
2 hours ago, Underdog said:

A clown who has multiple bankruptcies knows how the economy works…. LMFAO. 

As a general proposition, I might not hold bankruptcies against a bidnessman.

But, specific to Trump:  every time he's ventured out of real estate development, he's an abject failure.



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