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On 10/23/2019 at 8:08 PM, Eugene11 said:

Fun fact. Last year MINOR league baseball had 50 million attendees at games. NFL had 17 million. 

Minor league baseball has well over 250 teams that play 140+ games a season.   Over 37,000 games a year. 

NFL plays 256 games.

 

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19 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

Minor league baseball has well over 250 teams that play 140+ games a season.   Over 37,000 games a year. 

NFL plays 256 games.

 

Baseball makes money with quantity, no doubt. Hey it has worked since 1869 I guess.

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my wife was given about 10 tickets to the roughnecks game this weekend, so I pretty much have carte blanche to invite anyone of my friends that want to go. I’m hoping it will be a good time. 

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6 minutes ago, Drew said:

Just be good Dallas...please?

Dallas is the Vegas favorite to win the XFL championship at 3/1.

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19 hours ago, Etexhorn13 said:

my wife was given about 10 tickets to the roughnecks game this weekend, so I pretty much have carte blanche to invite anyone of my friends that want to go. I’m hoping it will be a good time. 

Or you could sell them and get an 18 pack of beer. 

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The Renegades remodel of Globe Life Park for football looks like absolute shit. It'll look worse after the first game when attendance is 10K or less.

Image result for dallas renegades globe life park"

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30 minutes ago, 'stache said:

The Renegades remodel of Globe Life Park for football looks like absolute shit. It'll look worse after the first game when attendance is 10K or less.

Image result for dallas renegades globe life park"

i bet it is over 10k...

granted, that is going to be because they probably are giving away who knows how many ticket, but still...

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22 hours ago, Your Mom said:

Minor league baseball has well over 250 teams that play 140+ games a season.   Over 37,000 games a year. 

NFL plays 256 games.

 

Your math would be good if there were only one team in every game.

But your point is well-taken.

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22 hours ago, Etexhorn13 said:

my wife was given about 10 tickets to the roughnecks game this weekend, so I pretty much have carte blanche to invite anyone of my friends that want to go. I’m hoping it will be a good time. 

Hi34

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Roughnecks:

June Jones bringing the Run ‘n shoot back to Houston.

XFL is supposed to be geared to high scoring play.  What rules are they tweaking to do that?

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2 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

They should have put a team in San Antonio. The drunkards around here would kill for XFL football

agree, and I'd bet they could've gotten the Alamo Dome for cheap since they'd be filling the most of the lower bowl. I remember when UTSA started playing games there and folks were excited just to have something more exciting that highschool football

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Which team has the most former Texas players and/or lack of ou and aggy players? Trying to pick a team I won't actually care about.

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On 1/8/2020 at 4:57 PM, Paper_jam said:

Is the XFL doing anything creative with offensive (or defensive) formations?

Hal Mumme is Dallas's OC. You can bet he'll have some interesting stuff to run.

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5 hours ago, Sock Monkey said:

Which team has the most former Texas players and/or lack of ou and aggy players? Trying to pick a team I won't actually care about.

Here's the breakdown (Only listed BigXII and local teams:

Houston - 1 WestTXAM, 1 aggy, 1 Baylor, 

https://www.xfl.com/en-US/teams/houston/roughnecks-articles/houston-roughnecks-roster

Dallas - 1 Baylor, 3 BlowU, 1 TEXAS (Jerrod Heard as WR),  1 Rice, 1 North TX, 

https://www.xfl.com/en-US/teams/dallas/renegades-articles/dallas-renegades-roster

Tampa Bay - 1 OkState, 2 BlowU, 1 UTSA

https://www.xfl.com/en-US/teams/tampa-bay/vipers-articles/tampa-bay-vipers-roster

DC - 1 UTEP, 

https://www.xfl.com/en-US/teams/washington-dc/defenders-articles/dc-defenders-roster

LA - 4 Baylor, 1 TX Tech, 2 TEXAS (Patrick Vahe as OG and Cedric Reed as DE), 1 BlowU, 

https://www.xfl.com/en-US/teams/los-angeles/wildcats-articles/la-wildcats-roster

NY - TxAM-Commerce, 1 SFA, 2 TCU, 1 WvU, 2 KState, 1 Tx Tech, 2 Houston, 1 Kansas, 1 Tx State, 1 Iowa State, 1 OkState, 

https://www.xfl.com/en-US/teams/new-york/guardians-articles/new-york-guardians-roster

St Louis - 1 WvU, 2 aggy, 1 TEXAS (Kent Perkins as OT), 1 TCU, 

https://www.xfl.com/en-US/teams/st-louis/battlehawks-articles/st-louis-battlehawks-roster

Seattle - 1 Houston, 2 aggy, 1 Kansas, 1 Baylor, 1 TCU, 

https://www.xfl.com/en-US/teams/seattle/dragons-articles/seattle-dragons-roster

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6 hours ago, Oakbrook said:

well . . .different kicks, points after, overtime rules, and quicker play clock.  Not to mention the double forward pass.
 

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/xfl-rules-overtime-kickoffs-explained-nfl/1if7a6vb6kb271966993zxdynx

Surprised they have not tried tweaking the offensive line for better blocking. Seems like most of the time I watch these secondary leagues (last year, Europe XFL etc) the line plane is so terrible the rest of the game suffers and becomes hard to watch. 
 

not sure what you can do, but a QB/Offense looks a hell of a lot better when they have time. 

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8 hours ago, TrashMaster G said:

Your math would be good if there were only one team in every game.

But your point is well-taken.

Fuck.  I was told there would be no maths.

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On 2/3/2020 at 2:09 PM, Continental Op said:

Will be rooting against Dallas in every game because fuck Bob Stoops.

This is a good point.  

Though could be slightly mitigated by playing this at every game:

 

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What I’m interested in is how does allowing communication between coaches and QB’s for the entire game really impact it?

In the NFL the Comm shuts down with 15 seconds left on the play clock. In this league it will be possible to speak with the QB during the entire game. So we may see the OC yell “34 post wide open, throw it”. I’m sorry that just seems fun as hell to me.

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Don't forget porn stache Landry Jones is Dallas' QB. Fuck both of them. And to top it off, I think it was a stupid ass decision to play in a baseball stadium in fucking Arlington. They should play at SMU or at the soccer stadium in Frisco. I'm shocked how many of these teams are playing in NFL stadiums. They are going to look desolate as fuck after week 1.

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16 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I'm shocked how many of these teams are playing in NFL stadiums. They are going to look desolate as fuck after week 1.

Agree completely. They should have gone with FCS stadiums -- big enough to seem legit, but small enough to not seem like a joke.

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Houston’s team is playing in UHs stadium, all lower bowl seats. I’ll be curious to see tomorrow joe filled out that is. 

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Went to Houston game. It was a blast. Love the pace of play. Hopeful this league works. Enjoyed the broadcast and new ideas they bring to the table

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Love that they are doing Sat and Sunday games.

Fill up a slower time for sports.

It will be interesting to see how they fair when up against March Madness.  They need to make some hay in the next few weeks as far as buzz and fans.

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Looked at Ticketmaster just to get an idea and the tickets for today's game are pretty much sold out with one available being verified resale. Prices of what's available start at $78. No thanks at that price but I will be interested to see what they are after a couple of weeks of games. 

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These games are great for gambling. Must be hard for Vegas to make precise lines in the first few weeks with no data points to work with. The o/u have been the same across the board for all of the games 

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2 hours ago, Spider2YBanana said:

And the Vipers have the worst, imo. 

I dunno, I thought LA's looked pretty garish.

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13 minutes ago, MillerEP said:

I dunno, I thought LA's looked pretty garish.

I actually thought about theirs, and I had to give it to the Vipers and their glow in dark unis. They look so...bad. Something a G5 team would wear as a gimmick. 

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The kickoff change is fantastic and I think it will make its way to the NFL in a year or two.  It makes the play relevant and exciting.  Same with the PAT, the 1-2-3 point option is very engaging in a way a chip shot field goal just isn't.

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23 hours ago, SimonBolivar said:

Ok, NY Guardians have by far the best helmets in the league 

I liked DC quite a bit for overall uni/logo/helmet.  That was a pleasant, clean look.

 

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Thought it was pretty good. The kickoff is better than the NFL. The access is interesting to watch. 

The NFL really should embrace this as a place to send their practice squad and fringe guys to get development. They've needed a minor league for years. 

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I didn't watch any games in their entirety, but I enjoyed what I saw.

This will fail, but it won't be because it's that bad of a product.  Putting minor league football in the immediate wake of the Super Bowl is always going to hurt it.  For a minor league to really take root, they need to start play in say April.  Let people build up a little thirst for football.  Plus, you open up more possible markets.  I've always thought that places like Omaha, Des Moines, or OKC (all have AAA baseball) would be ripe to have a rabid fanbase for minor league football.  Football is massively popular in these markets, but they'll never be NFL worthy.  But playing outside in February is a non-starter for places like Omaha and Des Moines (and even OKC is at enough risk for miserable weather in February), and I also think casual fans will be more interested in games after they've been football deprived for a time.

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1 minute ago, Al_4_ISU said:

I didn't watch any games in their entirety, but I enjoyed what I saw.

This will fail, but it won't be because it's that bad of a product.  Putting minor league football in the immediate wake of the Super Bowl is always going to hurt it.  For a minor league to really take root, they need to start play in say April.  Let people build up a little thirst for football.  Plus, you open up more possible markets.  I've always thought that places like Omaha, Des Moines, or OKC (all have AAA baseball) would be ripe to have a rabid fanbase for minor league football.  Football is massively popular in these markets, but they'll never be NFL worthy.  But playing outside in February is a non-starter for places like Omaha and Des Moines (and even OKC is at enough risk for miserable weather in February), and I also think casual fans will be more interested in games after they've been football deprived for a time.

I used to think the same that they should be in the mid-size markets to get more fans. But I'm coming around to why the current league is in professional markets (StL being the only exception). Nebraska, Iowa, and Oklahoma are "big" football markets, but the are already devoted to their college teams, and pretty much every fan has an NFL team they follow, either because of nearest proximity, because their favorite college player is on that team, or maybe they just pick at random. Oklahoma has strong followings of both the Cowboys and Chiefs for proximity reasons, and a healthy "Packer Backer" contingent. Giving one of these markets a half-baked minor league football product is not something that will really sway them to support over and above their college and NFL allegiances. It seems that the current XFL's model is to promote "affordability" to the NFL markets, i.e., the Cowboys cost way too much, but come see the XFL for cheap. Many of them may have no strong college allegiance, which happens in big markets, so minor league football for cheap might be appealing.

I also think this league is designed to make money by media contracts as opposed to attendance. I was surprised to find that all of their games will be on ABC, Fox, or ESPN. Not like the AAF where there were streaming games and other weird networks where you need the big cable package. Three of the four games every week will be available OTA it seems, and the other on basic ESPN. Small market fans are already accustomed to watching games of teams from big markets, but I doubt the inverse is true. I think sports fans in Des Moines and OKC will tune in to watch LA v. NY or DAL v. HOU, but I doubt many people living in those cities would tune in to watch Des Moines v. OKC. Maybe I'm wrong, but every past iteration has failed. This will probably fail too, but they are trying something different, so it has as good a chance as any. The TV contract alone is promising and a big advantage over the AAF.

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3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I used to think the same that they should be in the mid-size markets to get more fans. But I'm coming around to why the current league is in professional markets (StL being the only exception). Nebraska, Iowa, and Oklahoma are "big" football markets, but the are already devoted to their college teams, and pretty much every fan has an NFL team they follow, either because of nearest proximity, because their favorite college player is on that team, or maybe they just pick at random. Oklahoma has strong followings of both the Cowboys and Chiefs for proximity reasons, and a healthy "Packer Backer" contingent. Giving one of these markets a half-baked minor league football product is not something that will really sway them to support over and above their college and NFL allegiances. It seems that the current XFL's model is to promote "affordability" to the NFL markets, i.e., the Cowboys cost way too much, but come see the XFL for cheap. Many of them may have no strong college allegiance, which happens in big markets, so minor league football for cheap might be appealing.

I also think this league is designed to make money by media contracts as opposed to attendance. I was surprised to find that all of their games will be on ABC, Fox, or ESPN. Not like the AAF where there were streaming games and other weird networks where you need the big cable package. Three of the four games every week will be available OTA it seems, and the other on basic ESPN. Small market fans are already accustomed to watching games of teams from big markets, but I doubt the inverse is true. I think sports fans in Des Moines and OKC will tune in to watch LA v. NY or DAL v. HOU, but I doubt many people living in those cities would tune in to watch Des Moines v. OKC. Maybe I'm wrong, but every past iteration has failed. This will probably fail too, but they are trying something different, so it has as good a chance as any. The TV contract alone is promising and a big advantage over the AAF.

That's a pretty solid argument for doing what they're doing, but again I'll bring it back to timing.  Even keeping with NFL markets, I think the odds of drawing good TV ratings increase with some distance between this and the current football season.

Running the league from April through the end of the July would be about perfect time-wise.  You have separation from the end of the NFL season, but you wind down right before the real football hype starts, and give people a month off to get warmed up for that.

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58 minutes ago, Hozz said:

The kickoff change is fantastic and I think it will make its way to the NFL in a year or two.  It makes the play relevant and exciting.  Same with the PAT, the 1-2-3 point option is very engaging in a way a chip shot field goal just isn't.

I would like to see:

1 pt from current NFL extra point (as a kick)

2 from 1 and 1/2 (traditional go for two spot).

3 from the 5 (or somewhere a little further out)

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I really hope we get an OT game soon. I'm sold by the description that it will be better than both NFL and College rules. I'd like to see it in action though.

On that note, I was surprised this week to see so many one point tries, and how many of them were failed attempts to run up the gut. You would think the coaches would have more passes drawn up which would not be much harder to execute for 2 than 1. I thought the rules would be to encourage more 2 and 3 point shots. 

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