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Denigrates Gold Star serviceman and his family. Trashes John McCain for getting caught by the enemy and says his torture wasn't a big deal. Says he know more than the generals. Has run through myriad number of chiefs of staff, admirals, etc. Trashes the captain of the aircraft carrier during COVID. Has top generals leaving in droves and accusing him of treason. Ignores Russia's bounty on our soldiers. And that's just off the top of my head; I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting. 

This pattern *might* be something that real Patriots care about.

America or Trump.

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3 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

This.  Go to foxnews.com and try and find this story.  I couldn’t but I did see that Biden apparently doesn’t have the stamina or brains to be President.  Fox News is propaganda not news.  Until that gets fixed the country is hosed.

just went.  after scrolling down i found this headline

Kayleigh McEnany says Trump is ‘most informed person on planet Earth’ about threats to US

The White House press secretary also railed against leaks of classified information

 

Lulz.  Trying to report the story but not let you know what is they are reporting about.

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28 minutes ago, kevwun said:

They said they briefed him now though which means they aren't going the fake news route.  Which means it's true and widespread enough that it can't be denied.

We knew it was true when it was reported.  They've just confirmed it.

Now anyone who supports him straight up supports treason.

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10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The only game here is increasing the anger, motivation, and turnout of the opposition.  That's it.  Trump supporters are a lost cause.  Not just as voters, but as human beings.

I was clipping the same posts as  Brisket to come to the same conclusion.

Russia is not the real enemy, you dumb sips. America will be destroyed from the inside. The real enemy is the liberals who have a hidden agenda wrapped in a narrative devised by the Clintons and Soros to destroy the greatest country in the world.

Liberals = Juden

The Juden will not replace us.

The liberals are socialists who hate America. The liberals have more in common with Russia than the great USA. They spread lies about good Americans like Donald Trump. He'd never betray us! He's the only thing between us and the liberals and their evil allies in the Fake News and Hollywood. Their tails, they have tails you know, wag at the thought of Black Lives Matter tearing down the country for them.

Never lose sight of the real enemy that we've invented for you! When Rush ascends to sit beside Jesus up in heaven, we will have to keep the torches lit ourselves. 

The libs will not replace us. 

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1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

 

Kayleigh McEnany says Trump is ‘most informed person on planet Earth’ about threats to US

 

Well then you better get better at your job, Mr. President, because you whiffed on this one. Being president is hard, isn't it? 

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11 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Well, ok--I mean, if you count being down double-digits in every poll as being "zero consequences."  He's currently heading for a defeat of historic proportions, and this is going to exacerbate it.

You may be right, but we have to treat this like we are losing this game and losing badly.  We have to fight tooth and nail for every single voter we can get.  This must be a historic blow out if we want anything to actually change.  We can't just land a glancing blow, we have to knock these motherfuckers out.

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30 minutes ago, pantone159 said:

I'm sorry, but ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is going to come of this. This administration has done uncountably many things that are both true, and handled in the most clumsy way imaginable. With exactly zero consequences. FOX/Rush will get their spin going, and this is not even going to move the needle one iota with his base.

 

This.  Trump could line up a platoon of Marines on their knees on Broadway, kill them execution style and keep 3/4 of his base.  They are, literally, fucking insane. (and I know what literally means)

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Those of y’all who treat the American voting populace as some kind of binary set are just way the fuck wrong. Y’all have been pushing the same “none of his supporters will ever abandon him!” bullshit for years. And yet poll after poll continues to prove you wrong. 

Every time Trump does something awful, he loses votes. Not everyone turns on him, and some of his supporters have a higher threshold than others. But as his stupid, reckless, unAmerican misdeeds stack up, he loses more and more votes. 

Bemoaning the fact that he still has some support after his latest scandal as if that’s a reason to stop persuading Trump supporters to abandon him is stupid and counterproductive. Voters inhabit a spectrum. Every new affront to America by Trump is an opportunity to persuade the least enthusiastic remaining slice of his voting bloc to ditch him.

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2 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Those of y’all who treat the American voting populace as some kind of binary set are just way the fuck wrong. Y’all have been pushing the same “none of his supporters will ever abandon him!” bullshit for years. And yet poll after poll continues to prove you wrong. 

Every time Trump does something awful, he loses votes. Not everyone turns on him, and some of his supporters have a higher threshold than others. But as his stupid, reckless, unAmerican misdeeds stack up, he loses more and more votes. 

Bemoaning the fact that he still has some support after his latest scandal as if that’s a reason to stop persuading Trump supporters to abandon him is stupid and counterproductive. Voters inhabit a spectrum. Every new affront to America by Trump is an opportunity to persuade the least enthusiastic remaining slice of his voting bloc to ditch him.

I guess there is a difference between voting against him and being apathetic enough to not vote.

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1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

Those of y’all who treat the American voting populace as some kind of binary set are just way the fuck wrong. Y’all have been pushing the same “none of his supporters will ever abandon him!” bullshit for years. And yet poll after poll continues to prove you wrong. 

Every time Trump does something awful, he loses votes. Not everyone turns on him, and some of his supporters have a higher threshold than others. But as his stupid, reckless, unAmerican misdeeds stack up, he loses more and more votes. 

Bemoaning the fact that he still has some support after his latest scandal as if that’s a reason to stop persuading Trump supporters to abandon him is stupid and counterproductive. Voters habituate a spectrum. Every new affront to America by Trump is an opportunity to persuade the least enthusiastic remaining slice of his voting bloc.

yeah.  i think it's because the propagandists like foxnews are (naturally) the loudest voices and the propagandists (naturally) don't ever say trump is wrong.  that ends up giving the impression of a more widely held opinion.

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15 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

Denigrates Gold Star serviceman and his family. Trashes John McCain for getting caught by the enemy and says his torture wasn't a big deal. Says he know more than the generals. Has run through myriad number of chiefs of staff, admirals, etc. Trashes the captain of the aircraft carrier during COVID. Has top generals leaving in droves and accusing him of treason. Ignores Russia's bounty on our soldiers. And that's just off the top of my head; I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting. 

This pattern *might* be something that real Patriots care about.

America or Trump.

I have no clue what the rank and file service men and women think. We like to hear Navy Seals or other elite soldiers and officers shine a light on Trump, but these are the most intelligent and educated of the services. I haven't seen polls of enlisted soldiers. I truly have no notion if these stories impact them like they do the civilian population.

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1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

I have no clue what the rank and file service men and women think. We like to hear Navy Seals or other elite soldiers and officers shine a light on Trump, but these are the most intelligent and educated of the services. I haven't seen polls of enlisted soldiers. I truly have no notion if these stories impact them like they do the civilian population.

well, when it's usually those men and women returning home (if they do) in caskets, they probably listen when someone tells them their commander in chief sold them out for petty bounties and political favors. just me, though

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21 minutes ago, honolulu horn said:

Denigrates Gold Star serviceman and his family. Trashes John McCain for getting caught by the enemy and says his torture wasn't a big deal. Says he know more than the generals. Has run through myriad number of chiefs of staff, admirals, etc. Trashes the captain of the aircraft carrier during COVID. Has top generals leaving in droves and accusing him of treason. Ignores Russia's bounty on our soldiers. And that's just off the top of my head; I'm sure there's more I'm forgetting. 

This pattern *might* be something that real Patriots care about.

America or Trump.

The cult cares about Trump.  They never cared about America that some of us see.  They never cared about what the country was supposed to represent.   The oligarchy only cares about the oligarchy and pushing whatever issue they can get their useful idiots to latch onto.  

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17 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I was clipping the same posts as  Brisket to come to the same conclusion.

Russia is not the real enemy, you dumb sips. America will be destroyed from the inside. The real enemy is the liberals who have a hidden agenda wrapped in a narrative devised by the Clintons and Soros to destroy the greatest country in the world.

Liberals = Juden

The Juden will not replace us.

The liberals are socialists who hate America. The liberals have more in common with Russia than the great USA. They spread lies about good Americans like Donald Trump. He'd never betray us! He's the only thing between us and the liberals and their evil allies in the Fake News and Hollywood. Their tails, they have tails you know, wag at the thought of Black Lives Matter tearing down the country for them.

Never lose sight of the real enemy that we've invented for you! When Rush ascends to sit beside Jesus up in heaven, we will have to keep the torches lit ourselves. 

The libs will not replace us. 

That's spot on. I even read it unconsciously with a backwards drawl. 

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30 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I was clipping the same posts as  Brisket to come to the same conclusion.

Russia is not the real enemy, you dumb sips. America will be destroyed from the inside. The real enemy is the liberals who have a hidden agenda wrapped in a narrative devised by the Clintons and Soros to destroy the greatest country in the world.

Liberals = Juden

The Juden will not replace us.

The liberals are socialists who hate America. The liberals have more in common with Russia than the great USA. They spread lies about good Americans like Donald Trump. He'd never betray us! He's the only thing between us and the liberals and their evil allies in the Fake News and Hollywood. Their tails, they have tails you know, wag at the thought of Black Lives Matter tearing down the country for them.

Never lose sight of the real enemy that we've invented for you! When Rush ascends to sit beside Jesus up in heaven, we will have to keep the torches lit ourselves. 

The libs will not replace us. 

This could also be word for a word an email from my father in law. 

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3 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

This could also be word for a word an email from my father in law. 

See the tweet from Gym Jordan, an actual sitting congressman -- Barr shouldn't be impeached, he's a HERO cleaning up the mess of the evil Obama, Clinton, and Soros and whatever.

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You may be right, but we have to treat this like we are losing this game and losing badly.  We have to fight tooth and nail for every single voter we can get.  This must be a historic blow out if we want anything to actually change.  We can't just land a glancing blow, we have to knock these motherfuckers out.
Agreed. I'll be volunteering, driving people to the polls, and donating. I am skipping being a VDR as Travis County was pretty well covered in 2018 and I'm now the sole source of income in my household And I expect my kid to schooling from home.

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27 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

well, when it's usually those men and women returning home (if they do) in caskets, they probably listen when someone tells them their commander in chief sold them out for petty bounties and political favors. just me, though

You're just guessing. I would guess the same thing, but I haven't served and don't know any enlisted people. I don't put much value on my own guess.

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well, when it's usually those men and women returning home (if they do) in caskets, they probably listen when someone tells them their commander in chief sold them out for petty bounties and political favors. just me, though

Nobody tells them though. I'm Facebook friends with several former military. All they post is nostalgia for the good old days, or anticommunism/ anti socialism bullshit. (Whilst retired at age 40 and living off the government and only ever being employed by said government)

By and large they never learn to adjust to civilian life and it's the saddest fucking thing. I don't know how to help them and they are completely unwilling or unable to articulate what might help. All I can do is taking them fishing and check in once and awhile.

 

Any challenges to their world view are "fake news". Or "both sides". And that's it.

 

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59 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

just went.  after scrolling down i found this headline

Kayleigh McEnany says Trump is ‘most informed person on planet Earth’ about threats to US

The White House press secretary also railed against leaks of classified information

 

Lulz.  Trying to report the story but not let you know what is they are reporting about.

"

 

she's going to crush her next job, fox and friends 

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59 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

We knew it was true when it was reported.  They've just confirmed it.

Now anyone who supports him straight up supports treason.

Yes.  
 

And Republicans will do absolutely nothing about it.  

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Well, at least we definitely don't have to worry about any significant portion of the military siding with dotard if the shit really hits the fan. 

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Also in other outside the Surly bubble- Facebook news. Checked out the goings in POC for the week. Local boutiques are pimping trump swag in advance of the upcoming Trump boat parade.
Locals are bitching about mask requirement in Port Lavaca and posting YouTube videos on why mask don't work. Including, and I'm not joking, some dudes husband's drywall crusted nose after wearing a mask to prove mask are pointless. Not that said husband is stupid, can't fit a mask , or will die of silicosis, but that a filter doesn't actually filter. It somehow makes it worse!

These people live in an alternative reality. Facts don't matter, Dunning Kruger allows idiots to be experts.

Trump gives these people something to rally around. A club. An identity. (And you get to stick it to all the snooty people who don't let you say "nigger" no more.) And yes one of the local govt officials in the country is very fond of playing the racist, x rated David Alan Coe album loud as shit for all to here. Being shitty is a badge of honor.

No fake news, no matter how damning is going to get these people to give up the pride and endorphin rush Trump provides.
This story isn't doing shit with his base or enablers. 7e49d5caede6465859bf81818a563d79.jpg

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9 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

she's going to crush her next job, fox and friends 

She sees herself as OAN/TRUMP NEWS' Megyn Kelly, superstar. She's an armor-plated mercenary without soul or integrity. She has to say stupid things to get what she wants, so it's hard to tell if she's actually stupid or just cunning. I suspect cunning although her reasoning abilities could be stunted by constant repetition of absurd, dishonest dogma.

She probably hopes Trump will leave office sooner rather than later, return to TV and be the wind beneath her wings. He must stay healthy enough and public for her to score big. If Trump strokes out or humiliation drives him indoors for the remainder of his pitiful life, she's screwed. 

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Well, at least we definitely don't have to worry about any significant portion of the military siding with dotard if the shit really hits the fan. 
Upper Brass no. Rank and file TBD.

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3 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

Also in other outside the Surly bubble- Facebook news. Checked out the goings in POC for the week. Local boutiques are pimping trump swag in advance of the upcoming Trump boat parade.
Locals are bitching about mask requirement in Port Lavaca and posting YouTube videos on why mask don't work. Including, and I'm not joking, some dudes husband's drywall crusted nose after wearing a mask to prove mask are pointless. Not that said husband is stupid, can't fit a mask , or will die of silicosis, but that a filter doesn't actually filter. It somehow makes it worse!

These people live in an alternative reality. Facts don't matter, Dunning Kruger allows idiots to be experts.

Trump gives these people something to rally around. A club. An identity. (And you get to stick it to all the snooty people who don't let you say "nigger" no more.) And yes one of the local govt officials in the country is very fond of playing the racist, x rated David Alan Coe album loud as shit for all to here. Being shitty is a badge of honor.

No fake news, no matter how damning is going to get these people to give up the pride and endorphin rush Trump provides.
This story isn't doing shit with his base or enablers. 7e49d5caede6465859bf81818a563d79.jpg

I'm going down there this weekend and all this bullshit is going to trigger me bigly. Why is everyone in that area so fucking ignorant? Is that just how all of rural Texas is? 

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9 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

She has to say stupid things to get what she wants, so it's hard to tell if she's actually stupid or just cunning. I suspect cunning although her reasoning abilities could be stunted by constant repetition of absurd, dishonest dogma.

It doesn't automatically mean she's a genius, but she's a Georgetown grad, having done study abroad at Oxford, and received academic excellence awards at the U's law school before transferring and graduating from Harvard Law.

She's been an alt-right conservative all along.  She was critical of Trump during his runup but saw the light in terms of career opportunities, reversed field, and here we are.

I think she's like most of the smarter folks in Trump's administration:  she's a self-serving opportunist with a not insignificant streak of evil.

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I'm going down there this weekend and all this bullshit is going to trigger me bigly. Why is everyone in that area so fucking ignorant? Is that just how all of rural Texas is? 
You have assholes everywhere. Trump has just made it a fun cult to join and show off your colors and maybe offend someone. You can also be dumb as fuck and feel smart expressing you beliefs and theories.

Add in Alcoa shutting down the second largest employer in the county and it's definetly more Trumpy with the locals than other rural areas. I met a full on Trump supporter who was second gen Mexican American. Still waiting for Aluminum plant to open.

Also Ron Paul's old district. So strong drain the swamp/ no taxes country.

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26 minutes ago, Born to Run said:
30 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:
Well, at least we definitely don't have to worry about any significant portion of the military siding with dotard if the shit really hits the fan. 

Upper Brass no. Rank and file TBD.

If the rank and file don’t follow the orders of upper brass then it’s all over with anyway. We aren’t near that point yet. Now if trump wins again... but that shit ain’t happening.

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"Heritage." Run with that, stupid. Keep letting Miller steer that busted boat. 

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TIL surly goes to POC. Let me know how the trout are biting this weekend in-between all the dumbassery

Damnit, I bet the fireworks are gonna be kick-ass, though. 

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22 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

You have assholes everywhere. Trump has just made it a fun cult to join and show off your colors and maybe offend someone. You can also be dumb as fuck and feel smart expressing you beliefs and theories.

Add in Alcoa shutting down the second largest employer in the county and it's definetly more Trumpy with the locals than other rural areas. I met a full on Trump supporter who was second gen Mexican American. Still waiting for Aluminum plant to open.

Also Ron Paul's old district. So strong drain the swamp/ no taxes country.

A lot of people with no college degrees made a shit ton of money with the oil boom in the Victoria area and became shitbirds.

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6 minutes ago, Chooky said:

"Heritage." Run with that, stupid. Keep letting Miller steer that busted boat. 

I wish a reporter would have the guts to offer a one-on-one interview with Trump to get his side of the story. Then when he finishes his rambling talk about heritage and history and what it means to people in the South, blah blah blah, just look at him and say

"President Trump, I see that Southern heritage means a great deal to you and you understand it well. What were the names of the President and Vice-President of the Confederate States of America?"

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TIL surly goes to POC. Let me know how the trout are biting this weekend in-between all the dumbassery

Damnit, I bet the fireworks are gonna be kick-ass, though. 

I wouldn't know as it would be a risk to my mental and physical health unless I was off the shelf the whole time.

Working through the weekend then going Sunday to Tuesday the following week.

 

That said, the late evening bite is your friend. That and any north shore or the surf weather permitting. I've hammered them only holidays but you have to get creative.

 

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1 minute ago, Born to Run said:

I wouldn't know as it would be a risk to my mental a physical health unless I was off the shelf the whole time.
Working through the weekend then going Sunday to Tuesday the following week.

My in laws are going to their spot down in alligator head and were disappointed my wife and I aren't joining em. Instead we're gonna watch their dogs back in Richmond during the fireworks and drink all their beer. Suckers

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10 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

A lot of people with no college degrees made a shit ton of money with the oil boom in the Victoria area and became shitbirds.

This helps explain a lot. 

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2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

I was clipping the same posts as  Brisket to come to the same conclusion.

Russia is not the real enemy, you dumb sips. America will be destroyed from the inside. The real enemy is the liberals who have a hidden agenda wrapped in a narrative devised by the Clintons and Soros to destroy the greatest country in the world.

Liberals = Juden

The Juden will not replace us.

The liberals are socialists who hate America. The liberals have more in common with Russia than the great USA. They spread lies about good Americans like Donald Trump. He'd never betray us! He's the only thing between us and the liberals and their evil allies in the Fake News and Hollywood. Their tails, they have tails you know, wag at the thought of Black Lives Matter tearing down the country for them.

Never lose sight of the real enemy that we've invented for you! When Rush ascends to sit beside Jesus up in heaven, we will have to keep the torches lit ourselves. 

The libs will not replace us. 

Kruschev had it right the whole time. He just missed the mark by a half dozen decades. We will rot from within. 

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1 hour ago, Hookah Horns said:

I'm going down there this weekend and all this bullshit is going to trigger me bigly. Why is everyone in that area so fucking ignorant? Is that just how all of rural Texas is? 

I think it's how all of rural America is, for the most part. 

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7 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Kruschev has it right the whole time. He just missed the mark by a half dozen decades. We will rot from within. 

I suppose that's actually the way most empires have faded or fallen. We had such hope for the ideology of this experiment.

I have wondered that maybe a turning point for us was when our mythology became more about market capitalism than self-determination and individual rights. Our confrontation with communism made market economics something of a religion. Any whiff of socialism is condemned as the devil by some and is believed by more.

Another transition that was noted decades ago by someone whose name I've lost was Americans thinking of themselves as taxpayers rather than citizens. I think that shifted our sense of a shared interest aside and replaced it with extreme self-interest.

Or maybe I become a gnarly fisted codger. I do think that better leadership after 9/11 and at the outset of the pandemic could have brought out the better side of the people in shared effort. But we don't get much of that this century. 

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In hindsight, America reached its peak when the Dude occupied various administration buildings. Its been a slow decline ever since.

Should have listened to the dude.

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Another tweet with battle & heritage & history.  Seriously just go ahead and drop Pence and put David Duke on the ticket.

You couldn’t be much more open about it.

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They view everything as PR management, even a fucking plague that kills thousands a day.

Yes. Because governing is not even on their minds. It’s not an option. Actually governing in the interest of the American people is as likely as flapping their arms and flying to the moon.
It is about their self interest only. Full stop.

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