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7 minutes ago, NoName said:
#India, world's 2nd most populous country, moves to convert train cars into isolation wards for 80,000 people

 

 

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You know the Nazi's had train cars.. that they made the jews ride

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Just now, dcar00 said:

It can't be!  seriously, good news.   send the vents to NYC

not how it works, gotta hold on to them because hospitals KNOW they are going to need them, especially places with large ICUs like Methodist. 

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1 minute ago, NoName said:

not how it works, gotta hold on to them because hospitals KNOW they are going to need them, especially places with large ICUs like Methodist. 

washington sent 400 to NYC.

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I heard about this on the radio this AM.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928160   

 

Unfortunately, its paywalled.  Anyone with better google-fu or other access?

 

Basically, there is current medial thinking developing that PART of the reason behind high fatality rates on respirators is they are being used with high-settings.

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40 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Days are 24 hours. 

Friday morning to Saturday morning = 24 hours, + Saturday morning to Sunday morning = 48 hours, + Sunday morning to Monday morning = 72 hours. 3 days. If you've managed to fit 96 hours in that time period, the rest of must be moving at relativistic speeds.  

 

35 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

 

Put me on the side that says Friday was 3 days ago. 
Sunday was yesterday. One day ago. 
Saturday 2 days ago. 
Friday 3 days ago. 
 

Glad we could clear that up. 
 Since you’re into wagers, I bet that the majority of people would say Friday is 3 days ago. 

Guys, let's use this time of year to come together on this subject. Christ was crucified on a Friday. He rose from the dead three days later, on what we now recognize as Easter Sunday. Three calendar days later. Monday after that would be four calendar days. He walked the earth and spoke to Mary Mathews or some shit and then to a bunch of guys that worshipped him on the fourth day. Then he wrote the bible. Are you telling me that being Christlike is wrong on my part here? 

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https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/

 

Sunday, April 5, 2020 11:48PM

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A Los Angeles doctor said he is seeing significant success in prescribing the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc to treat patients with severe symptoms of COVID-19.

Hydroxychloroquine has been touted as a possible treatment for COVID-19 by President Trump among others, but it remains controversial as some experts believe it is unproven and may not be effective.

The drug has long been used for treatment of malaria and conditions such as lupus and arthritis but is not technically approved by the FDA for COVID-19. The agency, however, is encouraging trials and has provided limited emergency authorization for its use to treat COVID-19 patients.

Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.

"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

Cardillo is the CEO of Mend Urgent Care, which has locations in Sherman Oaks, Van Nuys and Burbank.

He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.
 
He added that the drug should not be prescribed for those who are presenting only mild symptoms, as there are concerns about shortages for patients with other conditions who need to take the drug on a regular basis.

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2 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I heard about this on the radio this AM.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928160   

 

Unfortunately, its paywalled.  Anyone with better google-fu or other access?

 

Basically, there is current medial thinking developing that PART of the reason behind high fatality rates on respirators is they are being used with high-settings.

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13 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:


India’s going to dwarf us when this is said and done

India will give us an indication about what actually happened in China.  

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3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

washington sent 400 to NYC.

this is just the first google result- https://www.wwnytv.com/2020/04/06/washington-state-returns-ventilators-use-new-york/

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 Washington Gov. Jay Inslee says the state will return more than 400 ventilators of the 500 it has received from the federal government so they can go to New York and other states hit harder by the coronavirus.

these weren't hospitals returning vents owned by Swedish Medical or Sacred Hart - these were returned by the state government. I can't imagine that today any hospital in the country is willingly giving up vents they own and paid for 

this is the same thing as those coming from Oregon: https://www.oregonlive.com/coronavirus/2020/04/oregon-sends-140-ventilators-to-new-york-gov-kate-brown-we-are-all-in-this-together.html

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Oregon received 140 ventilators from the Strategic National Stockpile on March 27. That’s the full amount Gov. Brown requested from the federal government a week earlier. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

India will give us an indication about what actually happened in China.  

I think you are correct.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-05/india-bans-all-exports-of-trump-s-game-changer-virus-drug

From Sunday

 

India banned all exports of hydroxychloroquine, a malaria drug that President Donald Trump has repeatedly touted as a “game changer” in the fight against Covid-19.

Exports of the drug and its formulations are prohibited “without any exceptions” and with immediate effect, India’s Directorate General of Foreign Trade said in an April 4 order on its website. The trade regulator had last month restricted overseas shipments of the drug, allowing only limited exceptions such as on humanitarian grounds and for meeting prior commitments.

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4 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/

 

Sunday, April 5, 2020 11:48PM

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A Los Angeles doctor said he is seeing significant success in prescribing the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc to treat patients with severe symptoms of COVID-19.

Hydroxychloroquine has been touted as a possible treatment for COVID-19 by President Trump among others, but it remains controversial as some experts believe it is unproven and may not be effective.

The drug has long been used for treatment of malaria and conditions such as lupus and arthritis but is not technically approved by the FDA for COVID-19. The agency, however, is encouraging trials and has provided limited emergency authorization for its use to treat COVID-19 patients.

Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.

"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

Cardillo is the CEO of Mend Urgent Care, which has locations in Sherman Oaks, Van Nuys and Burbank.

He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.
 
He added that the drug should not be prescribed for those who are presenting only mild symptoms, as there are concerns about shortages for patients with other conditions who need to take the drug on a regular basis.

wow, patients with serious symptoms are symptom free within 12 hours.  hmmm.  Why doesn't he state how many patients he's given this treatment? I'm skeptical that a standalone urgent care center has seen the "most severely ill COVID-19 patients"  Is he talking about patients on a ventilator or something with a fever. Do they all have positive CV tests or uncertain? 

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9 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Why is the map not showing recoveries in this country?

Recoveries is never ever going to be accurately tracked....for example Dallas County doesn't track em, doesn't report em.  It's as useless as the other stats 

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8 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

I heard about this on the radio this AM.

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928160   

 

Unfortunately, its paywalled.  Anyone with better google-fu or other access?

 

Basically, there is current medial thinking developing that PART of the reason behind high fatality rates on respirators is they are being used with high-settings.

relevant info here i think

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Does COVID-19 Require Different Ventilator Protocols?
As New York health officials race to secure ventilators, some physicians are starting to ask whether it's time to change the way this equipment is used in patients with COVID-19. 

Cameron Kyle-Sidell, MD, a critical care physician working in New York City, has been sounding the alarm on Twitter, urging healthcare professionals to consider that COVID-19 acts less like typical acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and more like high-altitude pulmonary edema (HAPE). The bottom line, Kyle-Sidell said, is that the current use of ventilators may be causing lung injury in COVID-19 patients and that it may be time to consider lung-protective strategies that utilize lower pressure settings. 

Kyle-Sidell is not the only one raising questions about the use of the ARDS paradigm in COVID-19 patients. In a letter to the editor published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine on March 30, Luciano Gattinoni, MD, of the Medical University of Göttingen in Germany, and colleagues noted that COVID-19 patients in intensive care units in northern Italy had an atypical ARDS presentation, namely well-preserved lung gas volume and severe hypoxemia. Gattinoni and colleagues suggest in the letter that instead of high positive end-expiratory pressure (PEEP), physicians should consider the lowest possible PEEP and gentle ventilation.

 

here is full text

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COVID-19 Daily: Ventilator Protocols Questioned, Physician Rights
Alicia Gallegos

April 05, 2020
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Editor's note: Find the latest COVID-19 news and guidance in Medscape's  Coronavirus Resource Center.

Here are the coronavirus stories Medscape's editors around the globe think you need to know about today: 

Does COVID-19 Require Different Ventilator Protocols?
As New York health officials race to secure ventilators, some physicians are starting to ask whether it's time to change the way this equipment is used in patients with COVID-19. 

Cameron Kyle-Sidell, MD, a critical care physician working in New York City, has been sounding the alarm on Twitter, urging healthcare professionals to consider that COVID-19 acts less like typical acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and more like high-altitude pulmonary edema (HAPE). The bottom line, Kyle-Sidell said, is that the current use of ventilators may be causing lung injury in COVID-19 patients and that it may be time to consider lung-protective strategies that utilize lower pressure settings. 

Kyle-Sidell is not the only one raising questions about the use of the ARDS paradigm in COVID-19 patients. In a letter to the editor published in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine on March 30, Luciano Gattinoni, MD, of the Medical University of Göttingen in Germany, and colleagues noted that COVID-19 patients in intensive care units in northern Italy had an atypical ARDS presentation, namely well-preserved lung gas volume and severe hypoxemia. Gattinoni and colleagues suggest in the letter that instead of high positive end-expiratory pressure (PEEP), physicians should consider the lowest possible PEEP and gentle ventilation.

Medical Societies Voice Support of Physician Rights 
The Council of Medical Specialty Societies (CMSS) has some sharp words for hospitals that are restricting safety supplies and silencing their healthcare workers. 

In a statement, CMSS — which represents more than 800,000 physicians across 45 specialties — reminded institutions of their responsibility to protect employees and asserted that workers should not face retribution for expressing their concerns. The pointed sentiments follow growing reports that healthcare workers are being reprimanded or terminated for speaking out about the lack of personal protective equipment (PPE). Workers in other cases have been disciplined or fired for wearing PPE brought from home.

"We wanted to say this publicly so that our members know it's really critical they have this chance to share what they believe endangers their own safety as well as the safety of their patients," CMSS CEO Helen Burstin, MD, told Medscape Medical News.

New Questions on Neurologic Symptoms 
Recently, the first presumptive case of encephalitis linked with COVID-19 was reported in a 58-year-old woman in Detroit. Now, neurologists around the United States are calling out a range of neurologic symptoms linked to the disease, from ataxia to stroke.  

So far, these reports are anecdotal or based on observational data, and the majority of patients with COVID-19 do not present with neurologic symptoms. It's also still unclear if the neurologic symptoms that are being observed are caused by COVID-19. 

Robert Stevens, MD, of the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore, Maryland, told Medscape Medical News that knowledge of neurologic symptoms in COVID-19 is "purely descriptive" at this point, which is why he is working to set up a data registry that will track these outcomes in COVID-19 patients. 

Mother-Newborn Separations Not Supported by Evidence
The CDC recommendation to separate mothers with confirmed or suspected COVID-19 from their infants after birth is not supported by evidence and could cause lasting harm, according to some experts. Newborns need to breast-feed frequently to establish breast-feeding habits and to benefit from everything it has to offer, one physician said.

"We know for a fact that when babies are artificially fed the risks for hospitalization [and] for severe infections such as pneumonias and meningitis are much higher," said Anne Eglash, MD, clinical professor at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health and cofounder of the Academy of Breastfeeding Medicine.

More recent recommendations from the World Health Organization say it is safe to feed a newborn expressed milk from a mother with COVID-19. WHO's recommendations also allow "more close, intimate contact" because it recognizes that it may be feasible to separate a newborn from its mother in an environment such as a hospital, but that once the infant goes home, he or she will likely be exposed.

Coronavirus Aerosolized Through Conversation
Whether COVID-19 is aerosolized through talking or exhalation has been a lingering question since the virus took hold. An expert committee has now concluded that the answer is yes. 

The findings come from a rapid expert consultation by the National Academies Standing Committee on Emerging Infectious Diseases and 21st Century Health Threats. However, it's not yet certain if the viral particles are viable or emitted in strong enough doses to cause infection. 

Committee chair Harvey Fineberg, MD, PhD, shares what to make of the findings and provides guidance for healthcare workers on best protection practices. 

AHA Develops COVID-19 Registry 
The American Heart Association (AHA) is launching a new registry that will collect cardiovascular-focused data on COVID-19 patients.

AHA officials said the goal of the registry will be to shed light on the impact of COVID-19 on cardiac conditions and ultimately help inform care and improve outcomes. The registry will include information on serial cardiac biomarkers, clinical data, laboratory results, medications, and clinical outcomes.  

UK Prime Minister Johnson Hospitalized
The United Kingdom's Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, has been admitted to the hospital for tests, according to a statement from his office. "This is a precautionary step," because the prime minister continues to have persistent COVID-19 symptoms after testing positive for the virus 10 days ago, the statement says.

In Memoriam
Medscape has published a memorial list to commemorate healthcare workers who have died of COVID-19. 

We will continue updating this list as needed. Please help us ensure this list is complete by submitting names with an age, profession or specialty, and location through this form. 

Alicia Gallegos is a Medscape and MDedge reporter who writes about health law and healthcare policy. She has previously written for American Medical News, ACP Internist, and the Association of American Medical Colleges. 

For more news, follow Medscape on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube, and follow Alicia Gallegos on Twitter.  Here's how to send Medscape a story tip.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:


India’s going to dwarf us when this is said and done

If it gets into the indian slums the CFR is going to jump.  The general health of those people is already pretty terrible.  Hopefully there's something to heat killing it, but that seems all anecdotal right now.

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The only authority on the passage of time who I recognize is Rebecca Black:

Yesterday was Thursday, Thursday
Today it is Friday, Friday (partyin')
We-we-we so excited
We so excited
We gonna have a ball today

Tomorrow is Saturday
And Sunday comes afterwards
I don't want this weekend to end

 

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Just now, JesusSweatDuck said:

If it gets into the indian slums the CFR is going to jump.  The general health of those people is already pretty terrible.  Hopefully there's something to heat killing it, but that seems all anecdotal right now.

A friend of mine that lives in Bangalore says that it's unrealistic to expect the Indian poor to shelter in place. From earning a living to buying daily food, they have to go out basically as normal.

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11 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

Guys, let's use this time of year to come together on this subject. Christ was crucified on a Friday. He rose from the dead three days later, on what we now recognize as Easter Sunday. Three calendar days later. Monday after that would be four calendar days. He walked the earth and spoke to Mary Mathews or some shit and then to a bunch of guys that worshipped him on the fourth day. Then he wrote the bible. Are you telling me that being Christlike is wrong on my part here? 

In reading this thread, I certainly feel like I've descended to the dead.

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4 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

India will give us an indication about what actually happened in China.  

the slums outside the major cities seem like they would be impossible to stop once infection takes hold.  

 

what on earth could you possible do to slow it down here?

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1 minute ago, KYHorn said:

Oregon

Washington State returned 400 of the 500 they got from the national strategic stockpile

Oregon returned 140 of the 140 they got from the national strategic stockpile

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14 minutes ago, PittsburghTiger said:

https://abc7.com/coronavirus-drug-covid-19-malaria-hydroxychloroquine/6079864/

 

Sunday, April 5, 2020 11:48PM

LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- A Los Angeles doctor said he is seeing significant success in prescribing the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc to treat patients with severe symptoms of COVID-19.

Hydroxychloroquine has been touted as a possible treatment for COVID-19 by President Trump among others, but it remains controversial as some experts believe it is unproven and may not be effective.

The drug has long been used for treatment of malaria and conditions such as lupus and arthritis but is not technically approved by the FDA for COVID-19. The agency, however, is encouraging trials and has provided limited emergency authorization for its use to treat COVID-19 patients.

Dr. Anthony Cardillo said he has seen very promising results when prescribing hydroxychloroquine in combination with zinc for the most severely-ill COVID-19 patients.

"Every patient I've prescribed it to has been very, very ill and within 8 to 12 hours, they were basically symptom-free," Cardillo told Eyewitness News. "So clinically I am seeing a resolution."

Cardillo is the CEO of Mend Urgent Care, which has locations in Sherman Oaks, Van Nuys and Burbank.

He said he has found it only works if combined with zinc. The drug, he said, opens a channel for the zinc to enter the cell and block virus replication.
 
He added that the drug should not be prescribed for those who are presenting only mild symptoms, as there are concerns about shortages for patients with other conditions who need to take the drug on a regular basis.

Sunday, April 5th?  This article is from... like... at least 4 or 5 days ago!

:)

 

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Just now, NoName said:

Washington State returned 400 of the 500 they got from the national strategic stockpile

Oregon returned 140 of the 140 they got from the national strategic stockpile

Yeah, my bad

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1 minute ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

the slums outside the major cities seem like they would be impossible to stop once infection takes hold.  

 

what on earth could you possible do to slow it down here?

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1639px-India_population_density_map_en.s

 

Shit load of kindling Controlled burns don't work so well with humans...

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We had discussed what hospitals/cities/states/countries were defining as "pre-existing condition" and the general lack of understanding what is and isn't being considered when that is stated. Well, NYC is using the following to define it: "Underlying illnesses include Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, and GI/Liver Disease."

Note that obesity, smoking, drinking, drug addiction, etc., are not a factor when they say that someone died as a result of covid + an underlying medical condition. Here is a link to their tally of deaths from Saturday, posted yesterday: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths-04042020-2.pdf

I'm not posting this to say that this settles anything or that smoking, drinking, fattiness, and drug addiction don't matter. I feel like it's almost certain that they do, to varying levels. Just putting this data point out since having any other data on this has been so scarce. 

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5 minutes ago, Continental Op said:

The only authority on the passage of time who I recognize is Rebecca Black:

Yesterday was Thursday, Thursday
Today it is Friday, Friday (partyin')
We-we-we so excited
We so excited
We gonna have a ball today

Tomorrow is Saturday
And Sunday comes afterwards
I don't want this weekend to end

 

The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again

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13 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

Guys, let's use this time of year to come together on this subject. Christ was crucified on a Friday. He rose from the dead three days later, on what we now recognize as Easter Sunday. Three calendar days later. Monday after that would be four calendar days. He walked the earth and spoke to Mary Mathews or some shit and then to a bunch of guys that worshipped him on the fourth day. Then he wrote the bible. Are you telling me that being Christlike is wrong on my part here? 

It's all in the wording, man. Christ didn't rise (allegedly) 3 days later; he rose on the 3rd day.

Had you said, "This is the 4th day that the article has been available" then you would have been accurate. But you said that it was released "4 days ago" which is Thursday, not Friday.

Glad I could clear this up for you.

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9 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

A friend of mine that lives in Bangalore says that it's unrealistic to expect the Indian poor to shelter in place. From earning a living to buying daily food, they have to go out basically as normal.

That's true everywhere.  Poor populations can't do what most denizens of this board (college-educated people) can do -- shelter in place in our nice houses with a good supply of food etc.  Different demographics are experiencing this pandemic wildly differently.  The spread between socioeconomic groups is going to make itself even more apparent as this moves along.

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1 hour ago, fattyflattie said:

I had to make a stop in there  yesterday. Wore my mask. The only other people I saw wearing them were some employees. A well heeled looking couple in their 60’s passed me, and the woman sort of snickered.  I was taken aback in the moment, and was walking briskly so was probably 30’ away before it sank in, but good luck with that, bitch.  You are the demo this shit is killing.  Anyhow, I bet there was 1000 people in that store, with 50 wearing masks. I grabbed my 2x6’s and gtfo with pretty much only seeing that bitchy couple. Going into the garden side would be crazy. 

I was amazed at how few employees had them on.    I didn't even go down aisles that had more than 2 people.  I had to go back to a couple aisles 2x before they were clear. Hot zone coming to your local big box hardware stores.....

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What a clusterfuck this place always is but especially now. 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/04/03/coronavirus-outbreak-denton-texas-center-for-disabilities-delayed-response/5116826002/

 

 
 
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Update: This article has been updated to reflect the most recent number of positive cases at the facility.

Residents at the Denton State Supported Living Center rose on the morning of March 20, aided by caregivers who helped them bathe, brush their teeth and eat breakfast. Employees fanned out across the sweeping Texas campus for individuals with intellectual and developmental disabilities as many residents headed to their morning group activities, like any normal day.

But it wasn’t a normal day.

Unbeknownst to nearly all of the facility’s 443 residents and 1,460 employees, someone on campus had tested positive for COVID-19 the night before. Administrators told only the staff in the home where that individual lived. They waited until 2:18 p.m. the next day to notify the rest of the campus about the positive case.

By then, the virus was moving. Within a week, 41 people at the Denton facility had tested positive. As of Friday night that number had swelled to 50 residents and 39 employees.

“It’s spreading fast,” said Francisco Santillan, who worked at the facility until earlier this year and is now an organizer with the Texas State Employees Union. “And I feel like the administration has dropped the ball.”

The outbreak has become a crisis on a campus where many residents have pre-existing medical conditions and are considered at high risk if they contract the coronavirus. There are similar facilities across the country where large groups of vulnerable adults live in close proximity to one another and social distancing is impossible due to the level of care needed. In Missouri, three residents at a state-run home for people with developmental disabilities tested positive for the virus last week. In New Hampshire, one resident has died and five others are infected at a similar nonprofit group home. In Texas, four hours south of Denton, two residents at another state-run living center tested positive earlier last week.

The Denton center, located about 40 miles north of Dallas, is a case study for how the coronavirus can quickly overwhelm a facility not set up to handle a pandemic.  Local Denton officials have criticized the center’s response, saying administrators there did not appear to have a plan. Staff at the facility say they are concerned about having enough personal protective equipment, fearful of being fired if they won’t work with residents who are quarantined, and outraged over not being immediately told a resident had tested positive. Administrators downplayed the danger, employees said, pointing to an email sent to staff hours before the first case was confirmed that scolded those who spread a “rumor” about a resident testing positive.

 

 

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23 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

washington sent 400 to NYC.

Yep. Flatten the curve and do what we can to keep a lot of places from peaking simultaneously. Hopefully, NY will be on the downhill side when WA needs them back, and can send 400+ the other way. 

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2 hours ago, Moby Ric said:

You will be fine.  I am going later today and I am not wearing a mask or gloves.  None of the employees do either.  Just keep your distance and nobody will bother you.  Don't live in fear, just be smart.

I was told 3 HEB employees tested positive. There was a city HEB and an HEB at 620 and Cat Hollow and I didn't ask about the third.

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50 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

When you say "guys like you", what exactly are you referring to? I don't remember ever making a prediction of "holocaust death tolls" or anything resembling that. You are certainly welcome to go through my post history and point out where that happened. Let me know what you find.

Also curious about the "selfish twat" part. What have I said in any COVID-related thread that makes me a selfish twat? Or is that just a generic insult that popped up on your magic 8 ball?

Your schtick is tired. You seem incapable of posting in this thread without making personal attacks against people. When you run out of legitimate problems to attack people for, you start claiming people said things they didn't to create internet bad guys that don't exist, just so you can have someone to go on a crusade against.

What are you trying to gain from all of this? A lot of us come here to share information but you seem intent on spreading misery to everyone around you.

He also wishes the death of other posters but apparently that won't get you banned anymore.

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11 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

 

Guys, let's use this time of year to come together on this subject. Christ was crucified on a Friday. He rose from the dead three days later, on what we now recognize as Easter Sunday. Three calendar days later. Monday after that would be four calendar days. He walked the earth and spoke to Mary Mathews or some shit and then to a bunch of guys that worshipped him on the fourth day. Then he wrote the bible. Are you telling me that being Christlike is wrong on my part here? 

Except that there are plenty of biblical scholars that will tell you that there is actually a “day of preparation” during Passover week that is an extra sabbath.  So, it’s very likely that Jesus died on what we would call Thursday afternoon and his body taken off off the cross and given to Joseph of Arimathea before this extra sabbath began at 6 pm on Thursday.  

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38 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Why not put a scarf, handkerchief or bandanna across your mouth and nose.

Because someone like me will get behind her and add chloroform...mwuhahahahha.

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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

That's true everywhere.  Poor populations can't do what most denizens of this board (college-educated people) can do -- shelter in place in our nice houses with a good supply of food etc.  Different demographics are experiencing this pandemic wildly differently.  The spread between socioeconomic groups is going to make itself even more apparent as this moves along.

True. It seems we've also seen a major spread among affluent populations when we started though (affluent international travelers in major metro areas)

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I'm sure it's somewhere on these 614 pages, but I can't find it, so sorry for being behind...

My father is 98 years old, yes 98, not a typo. He has pulmonary fibrosis. He has a pacemaker. He has hypertension. If he gets corona and dies will the cause of death be listed as corona? Just wondering about how the statistics divide out preexisting conditions vis-a-vis corona. 

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5 minutes ago, Not that Bob said:

I'm sure it's somewhere on these 614 pages, but I can't find it, so sorry for being behind...

My father is 98 years old, yes 98, not a typo. He has pulmonary fibrosis. He has a pacemaker. He has hypertension. If he gets corona and dies will the cause of death be listed as corona? Just wondering about how the statistics divide out preexisting conditions vis-a-vis corona. 

Without a doubt....CDC gotta keep the numbers up.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/coronavirus/Alert-2-New-ICD-code-introduced-for-COVID-19-deaths.pdf

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The Harris County judge is giving her press conference with her mask around her neck.  What's the benefit of being on tv every couple of days if people can't see your face?

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17 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

We had discussed what hospitals/cities/states/countries were defining as "pre-existing condition" and the general lack of understanding what is and isn't being considered when that is stated. Well, NYC is using the following to define it: "Underlying illnesses include Diabetes, Lung Disease, Cancer, Immunodeficiency, Heart Disease, Hypertension, Asthma, Kidney Disease, and GI/Liver Disease."

Note that obesity, smoking, drinking, drug addiction, etc., are not a factor when they say that someone died as a result of covid + an underlying medical condition. ..

In general, obesity, smoking, drinking drug addiction are causal factors for the listed underlying illnesses.

I posted this in another thread, but maybe germane here too:

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The problem with making informed decisions about coronavirus is that we don’t have a whole lot of data on it at the moment.

The data that we do have, meanwhile, could end up being terminally skewed, particularly the data that’s been coming out of China.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s guidance on determining COVID-19 as a cause of death isn’t going to help those numbers.

Issued March 24, the guidance tells hospitals to list COVID-19 as a cause of death regardless of whether or not there’s actual testing to confirm that’s the case.

Instead, even if the coronavirus was just a contributing factor or if it’s “assumed to have caused or contributed to death,” it can be listed as the primary cause.

The International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, or ICD, has established the code U07.1 for death by coronavirus infection. There’s a secondary code, U07.2, “for clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where a laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available,” according to the CDC guidance.

“Because laboratory test results are not typically reported on death certificates in the U.S., NCHS is not planning to implement U07.2 for mortality statistics.”

Therein lies the problem.

“The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID- 19 being the underlying cause more often than not,” the guidelines read.

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death. ...

https://www.westernjournal.com/cdc-tells-hospitals-list-covid-cause-death-even-just-assuming-contributed/

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