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Good morning! So sleepy and have to be  ready for my work in 15 minutes lulz. Almost there!

so I thought this was funny from the piece posted above:

Inside Texas has been told that the Horns will look at possible college coaches involved in conference championship games and in the NFL, so long as they have head coaching experience in either the pros or colleges.

”So long as the have HC’ing experience in either the pros or colleges.”

This is encouraging! Was worried we might be targeting famous tennis players. 🤘🏼🏈

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12 minutes ago, El Hornarino said:

Gozer the Gozerian is at the top of the list after Meyer, so we have to wait for the Keymaster to hook up with Zuul first.

If he comes as a large and moving Torg, as in the Rectification of the Vuldrini, then he's really no better than Herman2.0.

But if he comes in the form of a giant Slor as in the Third Reconciliation, then I'd expect many a sooner and hornfrog to roast in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you.

 

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11 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

How did you pick that up from the article? The way I read the article is that Hartzell and Eltife are seeing eye to eye on this while ol CDC is the kid in the back of the car enjoying the ride. So essentially the BoR and president are strongly aligned and so are most BMDs while the only one who isn't is the AD.

Eltife has no business being involved with the hiring decisions on the UT Austin campus. We have someone (Hartzell) assigned that job. If he isn't up to it, then he needs to be replaced. If people are going to be involved in decisions, they need to be public about their involvement and be willing to be held accountable. This bullshit of regents interfering and then not being held accountable is unacceptable.

The dysfunction isn't within Bellmont. It goes all the way to the top of the UT System. If Eltife wants to be President of UT Austin, let him apply for the job. If he wants to be AD at UT Austin, let him apply for the job. If not, he needs to worry about his individual responsibilities as Regent and let others do their assigned job. If Hartzell is incapable of handling oversight of Bellmont, then Eltife needs to fire his ass and find someone who can do the job.

The one thing we don't need at the end of this is people micromanaging the responsibilities of supine, spineless twits who aren't capable of handling the responsibilities they are being paid to handle. What's next, Eltife calling plays during games? The bullshit micromanaging has got to end. We need competent people held accountable for their decisions, not Regents needlessly involving themselves in the jobs of others.

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1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Got damn you're a fucking retard.

 

You do know they need Eltife's  and his boards approval for the buyouts and hiring funds, right?

Don't worry they're not gunna fire tom and foot the buyout bill anyway what a terrible look that'd be!!!!!

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4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Got damn you're a fucking retard.

 

You do know they need Eltife's  and his boards approval for the buyouts and hiring funds, right?

It is the job of the president of the university to handle hiring and firing decisions of university employees. Period. The regents approve of disapprove the contracts for highly paid employees. If Hartzell isn't up to he job of managing Bellmont, then Hartzell needs to be the one fired. CDC was hired to do a job. Eltife and Hartzell need to either let him do his job or fire him.

The dysfunction within the system is becoming painfully evident. I thought we settled the hiring and firing authority of the university president back during the Saban fiasco. We do not need Eltife telling CDC who to hire and fire and then Eltife holding CDC accountable for a hiring decision CDC never made. We do not need CDC calling plays on offense and then holding Herman accountable for the offense.

There are clearly defined responsibilities and when people can't grasp the limitations of their positions, accountability goes out the window. Either we commit to getting UT athletics cleaned up or we commit to dysfunction and bullshit. I vote for accountability and cleaning the mess up the right way.

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The only thing I can tell for certain after 640 pages is that it would be impossible to play monopoly with the vast majority of you people.

1.) Read something on the internet, freak the fuck out, flip the monopoly board and storm out of the room like a bitch.

2.)read something else on the internet, set the board back up, promise you'll be better, restart game

3.) Read something else on the internet...repeat step 1.

But that's also why monopoly kind of sucks. It takes patience and you lose a lot of the time. Flip away, kids, flip away.

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31 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Bobby Burton

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While there was a public statement of support for coach Tom Herman put forth over the weekend by Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte, high-ranking officials at the University continue to consider various coaching options and are resolved to hold a more thorough coaching search following conference championship games that are to be played this weekend, going possibly until the end of bowl season and the NFL regular season, according to two different sources within the university.

“This is not over, not at all,” one university official said of the coaching situation yesterday. A second official told Inside Texas that Del Conte made a mistake in releasing the show of support and that the final statement was “watered down” by other officials.

Inside Texas continues to report that Del Conte will not make the decision of Herman’s future in a silo, nor even have the largest sway in the decision to replace him. Instead, it is a group of three, including university president Jay Hartzell and board of regents chairman Kevin Eltife, along with Del Conte.

Other factors will contribute to any coaching change, including the money available to the university to pursue such a change created by the contract buyout of Herman and several assistants, which total to around $25 million.

While Del Conte has privately bemoaned the amount of money it would take to change coaches and used it as a political factor in any such decision, other universities seem to eschew such problems. Yesterday, Auburn decided to terminate its coach, Gus Malzahn, who is owed a $22 million buyout.

Furthermore, Inside Texas has been told that the money is there for the Longhorns to change coaches. Unlike what has been previously reported, Inside Texas is told that the money is there for any number of candidates vetted, not just for Urban Meyer, who was the initial candidate that galvanized alignment from several donors and the three university officials in charge of the decision.

Inside Texas has been told that the Horns will look at possible college coaches involved in conference championship games and in the NFL, so long as they have head coaching experience in either the pros or colleges.

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Not that we didnt already know that but dont hate seeing a 995er report it. And the thought of those dumbasses at the AAS and FCB looking like complete fucking morons is just beautiful. Sounds like no Tony Elliott

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1 hour ago, taybo20 said:

So Urban wants to wait for Fox and OSU to be done before he takes the Texas job? The fox thing makes no sense. If he cared enough about coaching he’d want to be at the school making moves, not on TV wasting time. And the OSU finishing thing is even stupider. So he values OSU more than Texas? Seems like a good thing for Texas. Maybe if they play OSU in the future he can just bend over for them. 

Agree on the Fox stuff. Completely disagree on the OSU stuff. If you dont understand why he would want to wait to avoid completely undermining OSU's season while they have a chance at a championship, then you dont live in the real world. Its not about him valuing OSU over Texas, its about professional courtesy and basic decency for a group of people he really likes. 

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43 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

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While there was a public statement of support for coach Tom Herman put forth over the weekend by Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte, high-ranking officials at the University continue to consider various coaching options and are resolved to hold a more thorough coaching search following conference championship games that are to be played this weekend, going possibly until the end of bowl season and the NFL regular season, according to two different sources within the university.

“This is not over, not at all,” one university official said of the coaching situation yesterday. A second official told Inside Texas that Del Conte made a mistake in releasing the show of support and that the final statement was “watered down” by other officials.

Inside Texas continues to report that Del Conte will not make the decision of Herman’s future in a silo, nor even have the largest sway in the decision to replace him. Instead, it is a group of three, including university president Jay Hartzell and board of regents chairman Kevin Eltife, along with Del Conte.

Other factors will contribute to any coaching change, including the money available to the university to pursue such a change created by the contract buyout of Herman and several assistants, which total to around $25 million.

While Del Conte has privately bemoaned the amount of money it would take to change coaches and used it as a political factor in any such decision, other universities seem to eschew such problems. Yesterday, Auburn decided to terminate its coach, Gus Malzahn, who is owed a $22 million buyout.

Furthermore, Inside Texas has been told that the money is there for the Longhorns to change coaches. Unlike what has been previously reported, Inside Texas is told that the money is there for any number of candidates vetted, not just for Urban Meyer, who was the initial candidate that galvanized alignment from several donors and the three university officials in charge of the decision.

Inside Texas has been told that the Horns will look at possible college coaches involved in conference championship games and in the NFL, so long as they have head coaching experience in either the pros or colleges.

 

 

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1 hour ago, taybo20 said:

So Urban wants to wait for Fox and OSU to be done before he takes the Texas job? The fox thing makes no sense. If he cared enough about coaching he’d want to be at the school making moves, not on TV wasting time. And the OSU finishing thing is even stupider. So he values OSU more than Texas? Seems like a good thing for Texas. Maybe if they play OSU in the future he can just bend over for them. 

In defense of the Fox thing it has been reported since all this started that he wants to fulfill his commitment to Fox.

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26 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

It is the job of the president of the university to handle hiring and firing decisions of university employees. Period. The regents approve of disapprove the contracts for highly paid employees. If Hartzell isn't up to he job of managing Bellmont, then Hartzell needs to be the one fired. CDC was hired to do a job. Eltife and Hartzell need to either let him do his job or fire him.

The dysfunction within the system is becoming painfully evident. I thought we settled the hiring and firing authority of the university president back during the Saban fiasco.

Your point is noted but we're talking football here not the engineering program.  The university gets as much say regarding the football program as they contribute financially.  In this case very little since the football program is self funded.  Hartzell's job is to run the university and be the face of deals for the university.  CDC is the face of athletics operations and gets to manage the money the masses pitch in to keep it all going, primarily football.  BMD's who donate BM not only have the football program self funded, they donate to the university, and do so with the caveat that you take their money you take their terms.  Just the nature of dealing with people who are operating at that level.  It's not complicated or unfair imo.

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

None of it makes any sense. In fact, I don’t see much of anything associated to the Texas HC job/replacement making any sense. As such, you could tell me almost anything right now and I’d at least have to consider it. That appears to be the mood of this entire thread, as well. 

Of all the possibilities in play I’m starting to lean toward the most likely being CDC is a dipshit in over his head and this thing is fucked, and there’s nothing to see here, Herman will be our coach next year. Plausible and simple, right?  In the real world more likely than Urban waiting around while the program he’s going to take over smolders and burns, right?

id put that scenario as maybe the plurality right now at 1 in 3? 

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52 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Bobby Burton

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While there was a public statement of support for coach Tom Herman put forth over the weekend by Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte, high-ranking officials at the University continue to consider various coaching options and are resolved to hold a more thorough coaching search following conference championship games that are to be played this weekend, going possibly until the end of bowl season and the NFL regular season, according to two different sources within the university.

“This is not over, not at all,” one university official said of the coaching situation yesterday. A second official told Inside Texas that Del Conte made a mistake in releasing the show of support and that the final statement was “watered down” by other officials.

Inside Texas continues to report that Del Conte will not make the decision of Herman’s future in a silo, nor even have the largest sway in the decision to replace him. Instead, it is a group of three, including university president Jay Hartzell and board of regents chairman Kevin Eltife, along with Del Conte.

Other factors will contribute to any coaching change, including the money available to the university to pursue such a change created by the contract buyout of Herman and several assistants, which total to around $25 million.

While Del Conte has privately bemoaned the amount of money it would take to change coaches and used it as a political factor in any such decision, other universities seem to eschew such problems. Yesterday, Auburn decided to terminate its coach, Gus Malzahn, who is owed a $22 million buyout.

Furthermore, Inside Texas has been told that the money is there for the Longhorns to change coaches. Unlike what has been previously reported, Inside Texas is told that the money is there for any number of candidates vetted, not just for Urban Meyer, who was the initial candidate that galvanized alignment from several donors and the three university officials in charge of the decision.

Inside Texas has been told that the Horns will look at possible college coaches involved in conference championship games and in the NFL, so long as they have head coaching experience in either the pros or colleges.

Well this will be great for our recruiting that is already on the decline.

We will have more decommits that players that sign.

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Playing the what if game....

Urban crafts the CDC tweet, buys everyone more time.  He tells us he is a maybe but needs more time.  That time is spent on staff alignment, family considerations, getting through Fox contract and letting Herman swing in the wind a little more.

I think its plausible. He puts the wife on 100% lockdown, no leaks etc...If he opts not to come (the damage to Herm is complete) and if he does come, he's factored that in to how much more difficult building this class will be.  Minimizing that point is the transfer portal... he would crush the market, thus making a delayed announcement less severe to recruiting.  A lot of variables I know, but the CDC tweet gives me hope that he's still in play. CDC may have told him I will not fire a coach until the season is over, in which case he is keeping his longstanding standard in place.  Plus he may be waiting for other jobs to come open.  USC appears to be out of play, would he go to Aub? doubt it.  Michigan? long shot.  Would Kelly retire with a natty? maybe. 

Him not taking himself out of '21 coaching public;y is interesting.  Next 30 days will be fun to watch. 

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22 minutes ago, Blotto said:

The only thing I can tell for certain after 640 pages is that it would be impossible to play monopoly with the vast majority of you people.

1.) Read something on the internet, freak the fuck out, flip the monopoly board and storm out of the room like a bitch.

2.)read something else on the internet, set the board back up, promise you'll be better, restart game

3.) Read something else on the internet...repeat step 1.

But that's also why monopoly kind of sucks. It takes patience and you lose a lot of the time. Flip away, kids, flip away.

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4 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

In defense of the Fox thing it has been reported since all this started that he wants to fulfill his commitment to Fox.

And here's the most important thing to remember: he can wait however the hell long he wants, because we're on HIS time. We're the ones asking him to pretty please come to us. If he gives us the nod, but says "Well NSD1 is a bit close and I won't have my guys in soon enough to work on these recruits, so we'll just wait until after I finish my show and then we can get to work," then you say "Yes the fuck sir! Take all of the time you need, my lord."

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11 minutes ago, Caddox said:

Agree on the Fox stuff. Completely disagree on the OSU stuff. If you dont understand why he would want to wait to avoid completely undermining OSU's season while they have a chance at a championship, then you dont live in the real world. Its not about him valuing OSU over Texas, its about professional courtesy and basic decency for a group of people he really likes. 

This. And if he wants to bring some of his former staff (including his son in law) - you don't put them in the position of alienating his current employer and ditching their teams right before the playoff.  Frankly - they may have told him to wait until their season is over. 

 

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21 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

Your point is noted but we're talking football here not the engineering program.  The university gets as much say regarding the football program as they contribute financially.  In this case very little since the football program is self funded.  Hartzell's job is to run the university and be the face of deals for the university.  CDC is the face of athletics operations and gets to manage the money the masses pitch in to keep it all going, primarily football.  BMD's who donate BM not only have the football program self funded, they donate to the university, and do so with the caveat that you take their money you take their terms.  Just the nature of dealing with people who have are operating at that level.  It's not complicated or unfair imo.

No, it's not "my money, my terms." With an annual budget of over $200 million, no single alum contributes enough money to have individual say over any hiring decision within the athletics department. Hell, NIKE contributes more to UT athletics than any BMD. Should we give Phil Knight the ability to dictate every hiring and firing decision at UT, mind you with no accountability whatsoever?

Bill Powers nixed the Saban hire because it usurped his authority to make hiring and firing decisions. He was right to do what he did, given the circumstances. he also clearly re-established the authority of the university president to make all hiring and firing decision, not the regents.

To now change things and give people who have not proven themselves to be adept at coaching decisions total authority over hiring decisions would be very ill-advised. Who is going to manage the problems when the AD and the football coach do not have a good working relationship because the coaching hire was forced upon the AD? Does anyone think Eltife will be handling the mess he makes if this is what happens? Hell no.

We don't need unaccountable regents micromanaging the athletics programs. We don't need Eltife running around hiring whoever he wants to replace whichever coach he wants replaced on any given whim. If Hartzell and CDC are incapable of managing their responsibilities, replace them. But don't force decisions upon them and then hold them accountable for Eltife's bad hiring decisions.

Eltife is a political hack, not an athletics savant. His political connections are what got him appointed regent. His political connections don't give him the authority to micromanage every decision he chooses throughout the system. We don't need political hacks involving themselves where they have no expertise. Eltife (and the rest of the Regents) needs to focus on his responsibilities and leave the responsibilities of others to others.

The only way UT athletics is ever going to get cleaned up is by hiring capable people, letting them do what they were hired to do, and holding them accountable for their decisions. We need to start doing this now. It is the only way UT athletics will ever get set right. In many ways, its the BMDs who are holding UT athletics back. Their interference in managing the various programs is unfair to the kids who come to UT to compete. This "look at my money, I get to fuck up UT athletics without any consequences because I'm rich" bullshit has got to end.

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8 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

Playing the what if game....

Urban crafts the CDC tweet, buys everyone more time.  He tells us he is a maybe but needs more time.  That time is spent on staff alignment, family considerations, getting through Fox contract and letting Herman swing in the wind a little more.

I think its plausible. He puts the wife on 100% lockdown, no leaks etc...If he opts not to come (the damage to Herm is complete) and if he does come, he's factored that in to how much more difficult building this class will be.  Minimizing that point is the transfer portal... he would crush the market, thus making a delayed announcement less severe to recruiting.  A lot of variables I know, but the CDC tweet gives me hope that he's still in play. CDC may have told him I will not fire a coach until the season is over, in which case he is keeping his longstanding standard in place.  Plus he may be waiting for other jobs to come open.  USC appears to be out of play, would he go to Aub? doubt it.  Michigan? long shot.  Would Kelly retire with a natty? maybe. 

Him not taking himself out of '21 coaching public;y is interesting.  Next 30 days will be fun to watch. 

You're late to the party. We've been playing the "what if" game for nearly 10 years

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Just now, David Dennison said:

If Burton's reporting is accurate, there is no reason why Tom Herman should still be employed.

The only thing I can think of is theres recruiting help for the next guy if Herman stays through NSD1 and wins the bowl game. 

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Just now, elguapo said:

If Burton’s reporting is accurate, CDC has been using the buyout $ figure as leverage and that was just blown up by Auburn firing Malzahn. Can’t imagine that’s a good look for him with the Texas big cigars.


The buyout money is there. It always has been. It’s just not been a blank check for the likes of Kubiak or Dykes. Anyone saying otherwise is simply wrong. 

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1 hour ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Bobby Burton

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While there was a public statement of support for coach Tom Herman put forth over the weekend by Texas athletic director Chris Del Conte, high-ranking officials at the University continue to consider various coaching options and are resolved to hold a more thorough coaching search following conference championship games that are to be played this weekend, going possibly until the end of bowl season and the NFL regular season, according to two different sources within the university.

“This is not over, not at all,” one university official said of the coaching situation yesterday. A second official told Inside Texas that Del Conte made a mistake in releasing the show of support and that the final statement was “watered down” by other officials.

Inside Texas continues to report that Del Conte will not make the decision of Herman’s future in a silo, nor even have the largest sway in the decision to replace him. Instead, it is a group of three, including university president Jay Hartzell and board of regents chairman Kevin Eltife, along with Del Conte.

Other factors will contribute to any coaching change, including the money available to the university to pursue such a change created by the contract buyout of Herman and several assistants, which total to around $25 million.

While Del Conte has privately bemoaned the amount of money it would take to change coaches and used it as a political factor in any such decision, other universities seem to eschew such problems. Yesterday, Auburn decided to terminate its coach, Gus Malzahn, who is owed a $22 million buyout.

Furthermore, Inside Texas has been told that the money is there for the Longhorns to change coaches. Unlike what has been previously reported, Inside Texas is told that the money is there for any number of candidates vetted, not just for Urban Meyer, who was the initial candidate that galvanized alignment from several donors and the three university officials in charge of the decision.

Inside Texas has been told that the Horns will look at possible college coaches involved in conference championship games and in the NFL, so long as they have head coaching experience in either the pros or colleges.

I’m pretty confident with Kevin Eltife running the show this will get done.  He seems like the perfect individual to be coordinating this transition.  

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1 minute ago, Randolph Duke said:

No, it's not "my money, my terms." With an annual budget of over $200 million, no single alum contributes enough money to have individual say over the football program. Hell, NIKE contributes more to UT athletics than any BMD. Should we give Phil Knight the ability to dictate hiring and firing decisions at UT, mind you with no accountability whatsoever?

Bill Powers nixed the Saban hire because it usurped his authority to make hiring and firing decisions. He was right to do what he did, given the circumstances. he also clearly re-established the authority of the university president to make all hiring and firing decision, not the regents.

To now change things and give people who have not proven themselves to be adept at coaching decisions to have total authority over hiring decisions would be very ill-advised. Who is going to manage the problems when the AD and the football coach do not have a god working relationship because the coaching hire was forced upon the AD? Does anyone think Eltife will be handling the mess he makes if this is what happens? Hell no.

We don't need unaccountable regents micromanaging the athletics programs. We don't need Eltife running around hiring whoever he wants to replace whichever coach he wants replaced on any given whim. If Hartzell and CDC are deems incapable of managing their responsibilities, then replace them. but don't force decisions upon them and then hold them accountable for Eltife's bad hiring decisions. Eltife is a political hack, not an athletics savant. His political connections are what got him appointed regent. His political connections don't give him the authority to micromanage every decision he chooses throughout the system. We don't need political hacks involving themselves where they have no expertise. Eltife (and the rest of the Regents) needs to focus on his responsibilities and leave the responsibilities of others to others.

That is naive.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nike has someone's ear.  

No one is arguing that.

He was within his rights and where did it get us?

Yee protest too much.

Then its a simple fix, don't take his money.  

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, elguapo said:

If Burton’s reporting is accurate, CDC has been using the buyout $ figure as leverage and that was just blown up by Auburn firing Malzahn. Can’t imagine that’s a good look for him with the Texas big cigars.


I honestly do not get CDC’s motivation here. He’s a politician and he’s not even playing the politics correctly. There are 3 guys who raised their hands and said “Im in for 1/3 of the buyout. Go get us a new coach.”  CDC risks nothing here. There is universal political and financial support for a new coach.  His personal downside in fighting this is tremendous. Yet, here we are. So now we are going to change coaches and the perception on CDC will be “no thanks to this guy.” 

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2 minutes ago, Newy25 said:


I honestly do not get CDC’s motivation here. He’s a politician and he’s not even playing the politics correctly. There are 3 guys who raised their hands and said “Im in for 1/3 of the buyout. Go get us a new coach.”  CDC risks nothing here. There is universal political and financial support for a new coach.  His personal downside in fighting this is tremendous. Yet, here we are. So low we are going to change coaches and the perception on CDC will be “no thanks to this guy.” 

It doesnt make sense. My guess is we are missing a lot of key information when it comes to CDC in this process. 

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1 minute ago, Dr. Beeper said:

The Auburn move shows everyone, including a lot of people on this board, how out of touch our administration is. Unless the right guy is hired for CDC, I don’t see him lasting much longer.  The guy has failed miserably in handling this. There is zero reason he (Herman) should have seen fucking December. 

I'd advise against looking at Auburn as an example of anything we should follow. They have no plan and are the kings of "ready fire aim" when it comes to coaches.

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