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36 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

 

"Their windmills are causing whales to die in numbers never seen before" 

 

Seriously what the fuck? Imagine Biden saying something half that crazy

 

Here is where he got the Whales getting killed by windmill idea....shocking its from Tucker the idiot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 9/25/2023 at 7:33 AM, RomaVicta said:

 

Plus our constant state of war has named China as the new central enemy. Of course we're at war with China. We've always been at war with China. 

China does mean things like spy on us, put navy fleets on the seas near their coastline, try to influence other countries to gain better alliances. Things we would never do!

They want to steal our economy! They want more of the market!

Now that we all know everything about China, let's all agree that they are the new bogey man. Speak their name to the yokels and even many non-yokels and they all know what to think feel.

And let's be sure to keep pumping money into the War Department (really never should have bothered to change the name) because we like to imagine us solving our problems by invading people.

China does some sinister shit, no doubt, but are they actually an existential threat worthy of the hysteria being built around them? I sincerely doubt it.

Don't matter though. This constant state of war or near-war is a status quo that serves too many people. Trump invokes it at the dullest level to appeal to the dullest people who like black and white.

What a shit show.

To be fair, we didn't want this situation, and never did (45th president notwithstanding).

China did and does want it. China worked very hard to make this situation, with the expressed purpose of being in opposition to the USA.

A lot of your blathering here too closely resembles the sort of myopic "Only America has agency; all other countries merely respond to our actions" nonsense that idiots like Chomsky promote...

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23 hours ago, YGIFS said:

What about Duck Phillips from Sterling-Cooper?  That dude sucked.  

 

22 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Ducks are a problem.  The Stork, however....we all thought the Stork was brain damaged.  But it turns out, he's the guy asking the important questions of our time:

doug-kenney-what-the-hell-are-we-suppose

 

On 9/24/2023 at 11:44 PM, Grade of D as in David said:

Howard The Duck GIF by Filmin

 

 

 

On 9/24/2023 at 9:41 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

People named Howard or Donald shouldn’t be in the public eye. 
 

same rule applies to ducks of the same names. 

 

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39 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

China did and does want it. China worked very hard to make this situation, with the expressed purpose of being in opposition to the USA.

1. We don't?

2. We've had fleets in their seas for decades.

3. We didn't even recognize the manifestly obvious that they were the real China until about 1970.

4. We decided to back the loser in their civil war in a new country we called China located on Taiwan.

5. We actively seek to "contain" their influence.

Of course they're in opposition to the US just as we would be in their situation. 

I don't see why every competition like this has to play out militarily. I don't read Chomsky, but if he says things like our investment in the military and arms industries sways our foreign policy judgment, then he has a point. If he says there's something strange about us having a thousand military bases far from the US, he has a point.

Read an Indigenous People's History of the United States for some interesting perspective on how we operate.'

Or just condemn another writer wholesale as an intellectual shortcut. Your call.

I'll cease blathering here.

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I'm hardly pro-China. I mainly don't like the way we break things down into good and evil as though everyone we face is Nazi Germany. It leads to facile foreign policy and war policy that doesn't really serve our interests.

My priority in the international world is acting in the long-term best interests of the US. I don't think what we spend on the military abroad or what we spend on foreign wars or how we face off against other countries serves our interests as often as we might think.

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7 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm hardly pro-China. I mainly don't like the way we break things down into good and evil as though everyone we face is Nazi Germany. It leads to facile foreign policy and war policy that doesn't really serve our interests.

My priority in the international world is acting in the long-term best interests of the US. I don't think what we spend on the military abroad or what we spend on foreign wars or how we face off against other countries serves our interests as often as we might think.

No, but you are talking like a tankie. You're trying to overcorrect for one unbalanced point of view by adopting another.

Saying "manifestly obvious that they were the REAL China" skirts around what is, in reality, an incredibly weird (and IMHO, funny) foreign policy issue.

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What overcorrection do I even advocate? What correction do I advocate?

What's a tankie?

It's a funny foreign policy issue that has us entangled in what should be an internal matter of China.

Posted (edited)
40 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

1. We don't?

2. We've had fleets in their seas for decades.

3. We didn't even recognize the manifestly obvious that they were the real China until about 1970.

4. We decided to back the loser in their civil war in a new country we called China located on Taiwan.

5. We actively seek to "contain" their influence.

Of course they're in opposition to the US just as we would be in their situation. 

I don't see why every competition like this has to play out militarily. I don't read Chomsky, but if he says things like our investment in the military and arms industries sways our foreign policy judgment, then he has a point. If he says there's something strange about us having a thousand military bases far from the US, he has a point.

Read an Indigenous People's History of the United States for some interesting perspective on how we operate.'

Or just condemn another writer wholesale as an intellectual shortcut. Your call.

I'll cease blathering here.

Well look, Roma - I think the starting point for a lot of this is a set of premises that you may not agree with, but here goes - That
1) As Americans we benefit from the existing, rules based post WWII international order;
2) That we uniquely benefit from the economic power of the dollar as the world's reserve currency within that order;
3) That while highly imperfect, the existing international order has enabled the greatest and most extended period of global peace and prosperity in history. In other words - a random human born on this planet had a better shot at living without hunger to a ripe old age and dying a natural death with a roof over their heads in the last 80 years than at any time since the monolith showed the apes how to kill each other; and 
4) American military and economic power have been and continue to be essential to maintaining that order. 

So I get your point, but I kinda feel like you (and Chomsky, and Donald Trump) are over here saying "yeah but we're not so innocent."  Of course we aren't. We are Atlas, condemned to carry the peace of the heavens on our shoulders.

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

1. We don't?

2. We've had fleets in their seas for decades.

3. We didn't even recognize the manifestly obvious that they were the real China until about 1970.

4. We decided to back the loser in their civil war in a new country we called China located on Taiwan.

5. We actively seek to "contain" their influence.

Of course they're in opposition to the US just as we would be in their situation. 

I don't see why every competition like this has to play out militarily. I don't read Chomsky, but if he says things like our investment in the military and arms industries sways our foreign policy judgment, then he has a point. If he says there's something strange about us having a thousand military bases far from the US, he has a point.

Read an Indigenous People's History of the United States for some interesting perspective on how we operate.'

Or just condemn another writer wholesale as an intellectual shortcut. Your call.

I'll cease blathering here.

And, we built 40k or more nuclear bombs, they built 350.  We chose maximum deterrence, for bout 5 trillion bucks.   They chose minimum deterrence.   Slight difference in how the two societies roll.

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38 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm hardly pro-China. I mainly don't like the way we break things down into good and evil as though everyone we face is Nazi Germany. It leads to facile foreign policy and war policy that doesn't really serve our interests.

 


You don't know this with certainty. In some instances, breaking things down into black/white probably does serve our interests. In other instances, it probably doesn't. Example: We've been mostly at peace since Vietnam. Even if such simplistic thinking lead to the Irag/Afghanistan catastrophe, that isn't supporting evidence/proof because, to quote Cormac McCarthy, you never know what worse luck your bad luck kept you from. 

 

Posted
11 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:


You don't know this with certainty. In some instances, breaking things down into black/white probably does serve our interests. In other instances, it probably doesn't. Example: We've been mostly at peace since Vietnam. Even if such simplistic thinking lead to the Irag/Afghanistan catastrophe, that isn't supporting evidence/proof because, to quote Cormac McCarthy, you never know what worse luck your bad luck kept you from. 

 

Also, McCarthy--If this ain't a mess, it'll do until one gets here.

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26 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

this may be a duh-est of duh statements, but that man is a walking National Enquirer. like if the pages of that rag became sentient and humanesque. that's all this dude is. 

Point taken, but, is the fat, orange blob of bigotry and hatred either sentient or humanesque?

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2 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

because, to quote Cormac McCarthy, you never know what worse luck your bad luck kept you from. 
 

I’ve always loved that quote

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I'm assuming the whole found guilty of fraud for providing false financial statements "for roughly a decade" is simply because they didn't have the time, inclination and/or need to look back at, oh...Trump's entire 50 fucking years as a conman?

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4 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

I don't see why every competition like this has to play out militarily. I don't read Chomsky, but if he says things like our investment in the military and arms industries sways our foreign policy judgment, then he has a point. If he says there's something strange about us having a thousand military bases far from the US, he has a point.

Originally our foreign policy was the reason for the military/arms industry to be built up - we made the decision in the aftermath of WWII, with the Soviets clearly moving their chess pieces around the board and also with WWI still in the back of our minds and WWII still in the rearview mirror, to say "okay, we're going to stabilize the world order as much as possible because we can't afford these world wars" (but also because a stable world order was very good for American businesses, which were booming after the WWII buildup helped take us out of the Great Depression).

Now, you could argue that our defense industry pushes foreign policy (via lobbying Congress) at times, and it's true, but a stable world order is good for American business. We didn't build up a massive Navy after WWII because we wanted to be the world's police, but because we wanted to ship American goods around the world, and bring in raw materials from stable foreign markets. And we felt it was cheaper than going to war every 20 years.

4 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

My priority in the international world is acting in the long-term best interests of the US. I don't think what we spend on the military abroad or what we spend on foreign wars or how we face off against other countries serves our interests as often as we might think.

4 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

1) As Americans we benefit from the existing, rules based post WWII international order;
3) That while highly imperfect, the existing international order has enabled the greatest and most extended period of global peace and prosperity in history. In other words - a random human born on this planet had a better shot at living without hunger to a ripe old age and dying a natural death with a roof over their heads in the last 80 years than at any time since the monolith showed the apes how to kill each other; and 
4) American military and economic power have been and continue to be essential to maintaining that order. 

As I said above, we spend what we spend (although it's gotten out of hand at times) because it's good for American businesses and financial investments around the world.

It's not that much different than the Roman Empire having their legions all around Europe and the Mediterranean - it's good for business.  Same goes for the Brits in the 19th Century.  And the Dutch, French, and Spanish in the centuries before them.

Isolationists like Trump and a lot of the MAGA crowd these days never step back and look at history, look at why we kept our military large (at least the Navy and what would become the Air Force), and they don't realize the (positive) financial impact it would have on our nation going forward.

I don't think the Chinese want to go head-to-head with us militarily - too much of a risk of cruise missiles getting lobbed into Beijing, as well as the fact that they aren't building up a massive blue water navy (a large chunk of their navy is meant to operate close to China), but China recognizes that the Soviets benefitted from being the second world power, and they realize that it's not enough to be the world's manufacturer (especially as they lose manufacturing jobs to other nations) and that they can take Russia's place.  And Russia's war with Ukraine has provided them the perfect opening.  There's still plenty of money to be made by being the alternate to the USA.

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Just now, GhostOfTomJoad said:

I'm assuming the whole found guilty of fraud for providing false financial statements "for roughly a decade" is simply because they didn't have the time, inclination and/or need to look back at, oh...Trump's entire 50 fucking years as a conman?

Yeah, a lot of the mid to senior level people who helped him with this along the way are retired/dead.  No need to have dozens of people say, and credibly at that, "I don't recall, that was 25 years ago" and dilute your case.  When there's an army of liars and conspirators still sitting in that building who will fold in a heartbeat who still have active con evidence on their desks and hard drives from just a few years ago.  

I'm also starting to get the feeling that I may not be getting paid back on my LP investment in the building housing the cattle for Trump Steaks.  I should have known when the Capital Call came in for gold-trimmed feed troughs.  

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2 hours ago, TeeDubya said:

Point taken, but, is the fat, orange blob of bigotry and hatred either sentient or humanesque?

definitely humanesque in the strict since here because no human has ever looked like that. as far as sentience, maybe it's a stretch but if the basest definition implies knowledge of oneself, well, that's the only thing he knows. Like De La Soul famously said, "He, himself, and him." or something like that

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Posted
1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Wake the fuck up, CNN.  This has been going on for a lot longer than ten years, forty at the least that I know of.

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FUPA pack like a fanny pack?  Or he wore the fanny pack on the inside of his pants instead of the outside?  Or it's a buncha classified paper he forgot to flush as he zipped up his pants?  I mean, I hate to ask...but I've never learned for sure...is that photo real or...?

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1 hour ago, AnTiM said:

Wake the fuck up, CNN.  This has been going on for a lot longer than ten years, forty at the least that I know of.

I think you should be addressing the judge, not CNN. 

Posted (edited)
4 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

And I assume this will mean jack-shit as far as consequences for Trump.  What, he can't scam in NY anymore?  Boo fucking hoo, he has the rest of the nation to scam morons out of their life savings.  

I'm so sick of this cunt just skating through life, while stealing people blind and destroying democracy.  Fuck, fuck, fuck. 

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1 hour ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I think you should be addressing the judge, not CNN. 

My problem with the picture is that it says "CNN Breaking News", like this is some big surprise.

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Just now, DigglerontheHoof said:

And I assume this will mean jack-shit as far as consequences for Trump.  What, he can't scam in NY anymore?  Boo fucking hoo, he has the rest of the nation to scam morons.  

I'm so sick of this cunt just skating through life, while stealing people blind and destroying democracy.  Fuck, fuck, fuck. 

You're not noticing that a hugely portion of the real estate he actually owns in fee simple and/or groundleases is located in New York State.  There is a strong chance this summary judgement gets interpreted as intended.  That is a death knell for Trump Organization.  It's not that they can't license new properties, acquire new properties, even do JV's or sidecar deals with a marketing juice on top.  It means they can't even take out mezz debt, a construction loan, anything like that to improve an existing property.  They can't do 1031 exchanges, their non-existent family office can't partake in real asset transactions in the state borders.  He'll find some wiggle room but the benefit of this summary judgement is he has to watch what little of his empire he actually owns rot before his dying eyes.  And there isn't a thing he can do about it because he doesn't have the liquid cash to prevent it.  He'll literally watch his golden towers green-over in real time.  God willing, it may be enough to physically break him.

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6 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

And I assume this will mean jack-shit as far as consequences for Trump.  What, he can't scam in NY anymore?  Boo fucking hoo, he has the rest of the nation to scam morons out of their life savings.  

I'm so sick of this cunt just skating through life, while stealing people blind and destroying democracy.  Fuck, fuck, fuck. 

Well, there was never much more at stake in this case than what has been found.  It's a civil case, there's no jail.

Having his business licenses and corporate charters revoked is pretty serious business, even if it isn't going to stop him in his tracks.  And, we have yet to see what kind of penalty/fine they're in for.  But he'll probably re-charter in Florida or Texas and that's going to cost him millions in legal and professional fees.

ETA: Probably best of all, though, his psychopathology began when he was not accepted by Manhattan society. He has largely eschewed them by now, but this means he's legally excommunicated from the State of New York and that's got to hurt his wil fee fees at a very deep level.

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55 minutes ago, AnTiM said:

My problem with the picture is that it says "CNN Breaking News", like this is some big surprise.

I didn’t know that the judge had found him liable for fraud so it was breaking news to me. The news isn’t that he’s a fraud. We all know that. We’ve all known that for years. 

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