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35 minutes ago, NorLa Horns said:

I asked a fucking question. And you are going off on my phrasing?  Scuse the fuck outta me. Maybe i whiffed on Sark and the staff. But ill ive heard on here for

a year is how fucked we are on NIL because of the administration. Thats a fact. 

Past that. Its a legitimate fucking question,  that you ignored. Ive heard Sark cant talk about NIL. I took that to mea he had reservations. Scuse the fuck outta me for having the wrong idea. 

 Buncha bitchasses

Saying they don’t have the warm and fuzzy’s for it like they don’t like it and can’t talk about it are definitely two separate things….   What coach that has the first big NIL deal in the country wouldn’t like it?  So yes phrasing I guess.   You act like all the legal stuff that went into something like this is nothing and Sark should be posting shit on Instagram like “come to Texas for 150k a year”  when a simple google search explains that,  I’m sure there’s plenty of winks and nods and other people explaining things  

 

 

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28 minutes ago, immamac said:

We have several podcasts detailing the whole thing. Maybe some of you should actually listen to them, they might actually be kind of good. 

Spotify says the surly podcast was my most listened to podcast of 2021.

(pay no attention to the fact that I only listened four times, the good news is that I didn't listen to a single other podcast the entire year - 100% of listened podcasts were surly!)

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We have several podcasts detailing the whole thing. Maybe some of you should actually listen to them, they might actually be kind of good. 

Dude. Yall did a helluva job. No one is questioning this. This is fantastic. But ffs be patient with some of us. Not everyone’s coming at y’all like Hornlover, and have legit questions and/or concerns. That’s okay!
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Bobby:

 

Steve Sarkisian was in California yesterday and visited with safety Larry Turner-Gooden and offensive lineman Earnest Greene.

Greene appears to be a long shot for the Horns. As Gerry has mentioned, Greene seems more tied in to either Alabama or Georgia at this late juncture.

Turner-Gooden, on the other hand, could be on the precipice of choosing the Longhorns.

The All-American Bowl selection is said to be choosing from Texas, Penn State, Maryland, Colorado and Southern Cal.

Penn State was thought to be the Horns’ chief competition. But I am told the Nittany Lions have quietly ebbed in this recruitment.

Turner-Gooden is not expected to reveal his college choice prior to the All-American game on Jan. 8, even though he might sign in the early signing period on Dec. 15.

I believe Texas is leading for his signature. USC might be a team to watch down the stretch.

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At this point in the recruiting cycle, it’s time for Texas fans to focus on who the Horns are adding to the roster.

It doesn’t so much matter who the Horns are going to play against in the future, as it does who you’re going to play with.

As Mack Brown once told me, “The ones you sign are the ones you need to be focused on. The ones you don’t sign, well, you’re only going to see them once a year. So you better focus on the ones you get and making them the best you can.”

Some of Mack’s talk was just coachspeak. But this is one of those maxims that I completely agree with.

Focus on improving your own roster, period. What anyone else accomplishes is nowhere near as important as what you do for yourself.

 

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15 hours ago, Hornlover said:

Instead of allowing the process to add Texas/OU to happen behind closed doors, and to basically announce the move in a coordinated fashion at a time and place picked by the conference, they decided to throw a hissy fit and leak it to the media. They leaked the plans hoping to derail the Texas/OU move to the SEC. But, leaking it before the vote to expand the CFP was finalized meant that the other conferences banded together to use the CFP expansion vote as leverage against the SEC becoming more powerful.

don't forget after bitching about it in the media all over the place they VOTED FOR THE EXPANSION

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15 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Ease up there, jinxy. Holy shit.

The original expectation and the belief I still maintain is that anything for 2022's class is just gravy. This was done to begin the process of showing the base what is actually possible and to build a foundation for the future to impact the bagman game. 

Now, we launched it with good timing because we could, once the work was all coming together. And this recruiting cycle is fucking nuts in like 10 ways, so anything can happen. That's the thing, just as DKR said, "you got to think lucky. fall into a puddle of water? then come up checking your pockets for fish." As one of my business partners and buddies always says "hell, I'm starting to think that half of success in life is just showing up." So, who knows? 

With all this being said will you all still be helping setup the other position groups as you did with OL? If so, I think the next position group should be DL, due to those two positional groups having the biggest impacts on programs. 

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1 hour ago, UncleBuck said:


Dude. Yall did a helluva job. No one is questioning this. This is fantastic. But ffs be patient with some of us. Not everyone’s coming at y’all like Hornlover, and have legit questions and/or concerns. That’s okay!

Hah, I haven't come at anybody. I've offered as much support as anybody could possibly ask for on NIL stuff. All I did was mention there was a footnote in the press release, and got my shit jumped.

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59 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

In Norla's defense CTJ and others have posted several times that the athletic department didn't like NIL because they saw it as a threat to revenues.

And they should feel bad if they can't distinguish between the Athletic Department and the Football Team.

The Athletic Department is the administrative arm that deals with financing and compliance and in general just likes to fuck things up for all of our teams. 

The coaches are the ones that fuck up all of our recruiting and fuck up our player development and fuck up in gameday playcalling, etc. 

And since it's confusing to some people, especially since most will never actually read the law:

1. The NIL stuff is governed by a state law. The laws differ from Texas to Ohio to California, etc.

2. The legal ramifications for breaking a state law are much different than violating NCAA rules. 

3. The law prevents the school from coordinating NIL activities with athletes. They must be hands off. So it has nothing to do with desire or whatnot. They legally aren't allowed to do it. I'm sure university compliance has told them what and how much they are allowed to discuss, but the coaches can always say "I don't know the answer to your question, but you can always talk to Joe Smith that can help you"

4. Of course coaches are going to wink and nod and insinuate. Nobody here knows exactly what they are saying behind closed doors. Is Sark calling recruits and saying "I have a strong-ass offer"? Probably not. Is Flood showing up to the house and saying "Junior Angilau drives a really sweet, loaded F250, and he fucking loves pancakes 🥞!"? Probably. 

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So between the ~$50k annual value of the schollie package, the $150k “salary”, an F250, and assorted other benefits, is it safe to say our OL will be making $250k+/yr?  
 

Pretty crazy to think a fucking 3rd string 3* OL at Texas is going to receive compensation  worth about half the NFL minimum salary.

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10 minutes ago, Hornlover said:

The law prevents the school from coordinating NIL activities with athletes. They must be hands off. So it has nothing to do with desire or whatnot. They legally aren't allowed to do it

No one was asking the athletic department to coordinate with the athletes, but to at least coordinate with the donors on the outside to get NIL programs going. You think Oregon waited around on Phil Knight to come up with everything on his own, or did they help in coordinating the effort? Hell, look into The Oregon Accelerator.

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7 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

So between the ~$50k annual value of the schollie package, the $150k “salary”, an F250, and assorted other benefits, is it safe to say our OL will be making $250k+/yr?  
 

Pretty crazy to think a fucking 3rd string 3* OL at Texas is going to receive compensation  worth about half the NFL minimum salary.

No.

The 50k is for sure.  The Clark stuff is still raising money as I understand it.  When it hits its 150 million goal - then I believe the plan is to pay football 100k each and then distribute the rest to the other sports.

I have no idea what the Clark payout will be for 2022 - maybe someone on here who was associated can confirm/deny?

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7 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

So between the ~$50k annual value of the schollie package, the $150k “salary”, an F250, and assorted other benefits, is it safe to say our OL will be making $250k+/yr?  
 

Pretty crazy to think a fucking 3rd string 3* OL at Texas is going to receive compensation  worth about half the NFL minimum salary.

Um, let's round it up to Treefiddy...and it's just Surlyhorns Podcast on Spotify. Here's a link to the podcast forum if you want to download and listen at your desktop/post about the content of them.

https://www.surlyhorns.com/board/index.php?/forum/31-podcasts/

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7 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

No one was asking the athletic department to coordinate with the athletes, but to at least coordinate with the donors on the outside to get NIL programs going. You think Oregon waited around on Phil Knight to come up with everything on his own, or did they help in coordinating the effort? Hell, look into The Oregon Accelerator.

Yep. It sucks that they not only didn't offer to help, but also willfully went out of their way to stand in the way of progress. 

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8 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

The 50k is for sure.  The Clark stuff is still raising money as I understand it.  When it hits its 150 million goal - then I believe the plan is to pay football 100k each and then distribute the rest to the other sports.

I think that's mostly correct, but I believe there is a lot of latitude in how much different positions / players get paid. I really don't think it's a straight 100K across the board. Some position groups will get more and some will get less. That's my recollection, which could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's the case. 

I too am curious about what will get paid out for 2022. 

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From Gerry at IT:

The Texas Longhorns have the No. 8 ranked recruiting class according to the On3 Consensus ranking.

There remains the possibility of signing a top 5 class with 17 On3 Consensus 4-star and 5-star recruits on the board with eight days until national signing day.

Quarterback Quinn Ewers is the most important recruit on the board, but it’s almost certainly the finish on the offensive line that will ultimately creating the finishing grade for the Longhorns staff.

Steve Sarkisian and Kyle Flood have seven On3 Consensus 5-stars and 4-stars remaining on the board, and simply must sign two or three. But let’s be clear, the staff needs to win on four.

Here is a look at the board with eight days until the early signing period.
 

Quarterback

Quinn Ewers, Southlake (Texas) Carroll

The Ohio State transfer may be a reach to put in with the high school prospects, but I’m returning him to his 2022 class. Texas Tech and TCU have had Ewers on around camp since Sunday. Ewers met with Steve Sarkisian Friday night. Texas would love for Ewers to get on campus before making a decision. I do not believe NIL is a driving force here. This is all about best avenue to the field immediately, and that’s where trust and a plan comes into play. TCU taking a commit from Josh Hoover minutes after meeting with Ewers isn’t how to win on trust. If Ewers genuinely wants to have a positive effect on a recruiting class with under a week until signing day, Texas will be his choice.
 

Wide receiver

Evan Stewart, Frisco (Texas) Liberty

Stewart has remained in contact with the On3 Consensus 5-star since his verbal to Texas A&M. The Aggies are trying to ride the recruiting class momentum wave home. Texas needs to win out for Ewers, and this could get very interesting. Will Stewart show up on one of the two campuses this weekend? Not out of the question.

Shazz Preston, Saint James (La.)

Texas head coach Steve Sarkisian and staff made an in-home visit with the On3 Consensus 4-star last week. Preston is scheduled to make an official to Alabama this weekend. LSU remains in it. Georgia and Texas are on the peripheral barring a late change.

Savion Red, Grand Prairie (Texas)

Will head coach Steve Sarkisian push for Red when it comes down to it? We shall see. He’s a terrific, strong-bodied ball player for sure. He could play running back or slot receiver at the next level.
 

Offensive line

Kelvin Banks, OT, Humble (Texas) Summer Creek

The On3 Consensus 5-star tackle backed off his Oregon verbal Monday. Not it gets down to which program closer to home he will sign with December 15. IT believes Texas is that current favorite over LSU and possibly Texas A&M. Longhorns head coach Steve Sarkisian will make an in-home with the Banks family Friday. Alabama and Oklahoma are trying to push hard for Banks to use his final official visit on them this weekend. There is a chance Banks is on campus in Austin this weekend, however.

Devon Campbell, IOL, Arlington (Texas) Bowie

The On3 Consensus 5-star will make a second official visit to USC this weekend after a Lincoln Riley in-home Saturday. Nick Saban is not currently scheduled to go in-home this week leading to a Texas vs. USC finale. Texas head coach Steve Sarkisian and Kyle Flood will be in-home Thursday night.

Kam Dewberry, IOL, Humble (Texas) Atascocita

The On3 Consensus 4-star will host Steve Sarkisian and Kyle Flood on Wednesday night following the Houston Touchdown Club awards banquet. Texas A&M head coach Jimbo Fisher used his in-home last week. As of Monday afternoon, Texas was the lone in-home scheduled. LSU will very likely try to get in with Brian Kelly this week. IT believes Dewberry could be on campus at Texas A&M or Texas this weekend.

Neto Umeozulu, OT/IOL, Allen (Texas)

The wildcard recruitment is more of the same. The people at Allen High don’t have a feel. The Consensus 4-star is undecided. Texas HC Steve Sarkisian used his in-home last week with the chance Umeozulu was going to announce on his birthday, December 5. Alabama head coach Nick Saban is expected by this week. USC and Oklahoma are still trying as well.

Cameron Williams, OT, Duncanville (Texas)

Williams will not sign with Oregon. On3 was told that Monday. At that time, Texas and Texas A&M were considered the two main schools. Since that time, TCU has offered. Williams made a June OV to Miami, but the Hurricanes are not expected to be the choice.

Earnest Greene, IOL, Bellflower (Calif.) St. John Bosco

Steve Sarkisian and Kyle Flood were in-home with the On3 Consensus 4-star Monday. Alabama has had growing confidence with Georgia right there. Ohio State has also been in the mix. USC is trying to make a late push, without an offensive line coach.

Malik Agbo, IOL, Federal Way (Wash.) Todd Beamer

Kyle Flood will make another in-home visit today with the On3 Consensus 4-star lineman, this time with Steve Sarkisian. The Longhorns have been separating a little from Auburn. Oklahoma and Miami round out the top 4.
 

Linebacker

Harold Perkins, Cypress (Texas) Cy Park

Texas A&M has had the most confidence in recent weeks. LSU head coach Brin Kelly will make an in-home this week. Texas head coach Steve Sarkisian is also expected to make an in-home this week. Mom prefers closer to Houston over LSU. Perkins favorite city/college area is Austin. Perkins is yet to use an official visit to LSU. All three schools will be trying to get him on campus one more time this weekend.

T.J. Dudley, Montgomery (Ala.) Montgomery Catholic

The Oregon decommit and On3 Consensus 4-star has been in contact with the Texas staff. Dudley made an official visit to Texas in late June prior to picking Oregon. New Florida head coach Billy Napier will make a push here too.
 

Safety

Bryce Anderson, Beaumont (Texas) West Brook

Texas has maintained contact. Anderson is not one that is on flip watch. As of today, he will not be on a campus this weekend. He’s headed out to Las Vegas Thursday to compete in rodeo, which is his first love.

Kendrick Law, Shreveport (La.) Captain Shreve

Texas safeties coach Blake Gideon has done a very good job pushing late. Nick Saban and Mike Norvell were in-home Monday. The On3 Consensus 4-star spoke with Brian Kelly Sunday night, and plans to make an official visit December 10. Alabama and LSU have been considered the top two for weeks.

Larry Turner-Gooden, Bishop Alemany (Calif.) Mission Hills

Texas head coach Steve Sarkisian was in-home Monday with the 5-foot-11, 190-pound safety prospect. That should tell one all they need to know if there were questions of the Longhorns taking LT-G if he wants in. The On3 Consensus 4-star also has Maryland, Colorado and potentially USC in the mix.
 

Cornerback

Denver Harris, Houston (Texas) North Shore

I’m betting the On3 Consensus 5-star shows up on a campus at either Texas, Texas A&M or LSU this weekend. Alabama is still on the peripheral. All schools are still in what is another winding road recruitment in the 2022 cycle. Winning mom is huge here, as is the older brother’s input.

Terrance Brooks, Little Elm (Texas)

Texas has made an in-home visit and continues to try and work on the On3 Consensus 4-star cornerback. With that said, Ohio State has held a big lead throughout due to a strong bond with Kerry Coombs.

Xavion Brice, Arlington (Texas) Seguin

The Longhorns have already flipped one Oklahoma verbal in linebacker/EDGE Kobie McKinzie (Lubbock, Texas/Cooper). Getting the 6-foot-0, 180-pound Brice to follow through and make his OV this weekend would be even bigger. The Longhorns need two corners in this class. Right now, they don’t for sure have one.

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4 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Quarterback

Quinn Ewers, Southlake (Texas) Carroll

The Ohio State transfer may be a reach to put in with the high school prospects, but I’m returning him to his 2022 class. Texas Tech and TCU have had Ewers on around camp since Sunday. Ewers met with Steve Sarkisian Friday night. Texas would love for Ewers to get on campus before making a decision. I do not believe NIL is a driving force here. This is all about best avenue to the field immediately, and that’s where trust and a plan comes into play. TCU taking a commit from Josh Hoover minutes after meeting with Ewers isn’t how to win on trust. If Ewers genuinely wants to have a positive effect on a recruiting class with under a week until signing day, Texas will be his choice.

Man I love Bobby, but how is TCU taking a commitment from a 3-star QB going to really affect "Trust" or whatever with Ewers? You can consider him a '22 if you want, and I get that, but the fact is he isn't. He's not going to be threatened by a '22 3-star QB.

 

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9 hours ago, NorLa Horns said:

I asked a fucking question. And you are going off on my phrasing?  Scuse the fuck outta me. Maybe i whiffed on Sark and the staff. But ill ive heard on here for

a year is how fucked we are on NIL because of the administration. Thats a fact. 

Past that. Its a legitimate fucking question,  that you ignored. Ive heard Sark cant talk about NIL. I took that to mean he had reservations. Scuse the fuck outta me for having the wrong idea. 

 Buncha bitchasses

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions

"Just asking questions (also known as JAQing off) is a way of attempting to make wild accusations acceptable (and hopefully not legally actionable) by framing them as questions rather than statements. It shifts the burden of proof to one's opponent; rather than laboriously having to prove that all politicians are reptoid scum, one can pull out one single odd piece of evidence and force the opponent to explain why the evidence is wrong."

tldr: fuck off

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59 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Pretty crazy to think a fucking 3rd string 3* OL at Texas is going to receive compensation  worth about half the NFL minimum salary.

I don't think there's anything crazy about guys who play the most dangerous position on the field, after decades of being exploited for millions, getting paid an appropriate salary for their efforts and sacrifices.

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33 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Man I love Bobby, but how is TCU taking a commitment from a 3-star QB going to really affect "Trust" or whatever with Ewers? You can consider him a '22 if you want, and I get that, but the fact is he isn't. He's not going to be threatened by a '22 3-star QB.

If anything, it shows a lack of confidence that TCU is a contender.  I don't see how you can comment on trust at all unless you were in the room and heard what promises were made.

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4 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

BBB is right that Kobie is having an in-home with BV.  I don't know why the expectation is that he is going to flip back though.  By all accounts he was thrilled when Texas re-engaged and has been ready to flip since he was re-offered by Sark.

They also canned the entire defensive staff. It's basically a new relationship with everyone.

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