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1 minute ago, bschoolprof said:

Who are we gonna get better than Sark?  Who's even out there that's clearly better than Sark, regardless of availability?  

Barring some scandal or Jimbo-like flameout, he will coach here for a long time.  

 

I think everyone knows that and expects that. He’s Day and Kirby before they broke through and they still have their maddening traits, Day almost gave us the tie with his asinine pass twice with under 3 mins to go BS.

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IDK how much you want sark to do out there, he gives arch the plays and options out of them and Arch is executing it, he is obviously executing it poorly including the RPO and audible when he sees something at the line.

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Just now, immamac said:

IDK how much you want sark to do out there, he gives arch the plays and options out of them and Arch is executing it, he is obviously executing it poorly including the RPO and audible when he sees something at the line.

Are we sure he's allowed to audible?

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This talks mostly about Texas. One guy comments that Sark is the best play caller in the country but was babying Manning. Another good point made was that OSU did a hell of a lot better job prepping their new QB than we did ours. CBS Sports

 

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10 minutes ago, troph said:

I think everyone knows that and expects that. He’s Day and Kirby before they broke through and they still have their maddening traits, Day almost gave us the tie with his asinine pass twice with under 3 mins to go BS.

Smart is in year 9 at UGa and Day is in year 6, but inherited pretty much a machine from Urb the perv.

Sark inherited basically a dumpster fire.

Here I'm not arguing Sark needs more time to develop as a coach (but couldn't hurt), but that our nemeses lately have been pretty plug and play with personnel and system for quite some time.  We seem pretty close to that on D, not so much on O.

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9 minutes ago, immamac said:

IDK how much you want sark to do out there, he gives arch the plays and options out of them and Arch is executing it, he is obviously executing it poorly including the RPO and audible when he sees something at the line.

Whatever he can or can’t do sorta doesn’t matter this is a third year QB hand picked by sark and couldn’t hit the broad side of the barn. Basic touch passes failed hell not even tried. He couldn’t even look at the line and see the mismatch to the left on 4th and 1 and just sneak up the RGs asshole. The lack of evidence of proper preparation of QB1 is all on sark.

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1 minute ago, troph said:

Whatever he can or can’t do sorta doesn’t matter this is a third year QB hand picked by sark and couldn’t hit the broad side of the barn. Basic touch passes failed hell not even tried. He couldn’t even look at the line and see the mismatch to the left on 4th and 1 and just sneak up the RGs asshole. The lack of evidence of proper preparation of QB1 is all on sark.

I don't think they failed to prepare him.

I think he failed to execute.

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2 hours ago, Hookem2147 said:

We had the better overall offensive performance and plan in both Ohio State matchups (and the second Georgia matchup) and went 0-3. That is the toughest pill to swallow for me. We had them beat in a variety of different ways and made the 2 or 3 mistakes at the worst times we couldn't afford to make.

Ryan Day didn't do anything special in either matchup. He went into his shell, let Jeremiah Smith be a non-factor again and we are the ones who handed him the game. He didn't sit around Columbus all offseason gameplanning for a 200 yard performance on offense.

We absolutely did not have the better gameplan.

Ohio State was inviting us to run the ball between the 20s all game. They kept a relatively light box and went exotic in the backend to confuse Arch, then tightened up in the redzone to shut down our run game and put the pressure on Sark and Arch to execute. Baxter and Wisner ran hard but we did not have the better gameplan just because we had more total yards. And I strongly suspect Day has figured out that A) Sark will go through stretches where he abandons the run for the pass even when the former is working, and B) Texas can be counted on to leave points off the board in the redzone.

On offense Ohio State purposely played conservatively with runs and quick passes. Our defense did well but they produced zero turnovers, zero sacks and just 1 TFL all game which was exactly what Ohio State needed to win with our offensive struggles on the other end. They didn't let our defense generate any big momentum-turning plays and they didn't risk Sayin making a big mistake.

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17 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Smart is in year 9 at UGa and Day is in year 6, but inherited pretty much a machine from Urb the perv.

Sark inherited basically a dumpster fire.

Here I'm not arguing Sark needs more time to develop as a coach (but couldn't hurt), but that our nemeses lately have been pretty plug and play with personnel and system for quite some time.  We seem pretty close to that on D, not so much on O.

Sark is 50 years old and been a hc at 3 different stops.  

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14 minutes ago, troph said:

Whatever he can or can’t do sorta doesn’t matter this is a third year QB hand picked by sark and couldn’t hit the broad side of the barn. Basic touch passes failed hell not even tried. He couldn’t even look at the line and see the mismatch to the left on 4th and 1 and just sneak up the RGs asshole. The lack of evidence of proper preparation of QB1 is all on sark.

This is where I’m kind of at. arch is starting his 3rd year in the system. What we saw called yesterday was vanilla bullshit that shouldn’t have been called from the get go. We should have been running our normal amount of pre snap movement and such. Arch being bad didn’t help at all but going vanilla as fuck and not giving him simple options really sucked in that environment. It made playing defense and covering so much easier. 

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6 minutes ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Straight from ChatGPT, herm the worm:

 

2017: No. 26 nationally.

2018: No. 3 nationally.

2019: No. 3 nationally.

2020: No. 9 nationally.

2021: No. 15 nationally on 247’s final page. Note this class was split across the coaching change after Texas fired Herman on Jan 2, 2021, and some outlets reported it at No. 17 at the time.

 

this was pre nil  pre sec    Also that Mack brown guy could recruit when he wanted to as well 

FWIW, chatGPT is not authoritative and doesn't know facts. It's just really REALLY sure that it's right, even when it's not

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

This is where I’m kind of at. arch is starting his 3rd year in the system. What we saw called yesterday was vanilla bullshit that shouldn’t have been called from the get go. We should have been running our normal amount of pre snap movement and such. Arch being bad didn’t help at all but going vanilla as fuck and not giving him simple options really sucked in that environment. It made playing defense and covering so much easier. 

It would have worked if Arch had had a just OK game.

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about HC/OC, what exactly does Milwee do here? 

We've seen problematic footwork and throwing mechanics pretty consistently, which would seem to indicate lack of QB coaching from the putative QB coach.

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It would have worked if Arch had had a just OK game.

But we didnt force Ohio state to do anything differently defensively and the motions help identify coverages pre snap more easily. It allowed them to just sit back like they did and give up runs

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19 minutes ago, satyanash said:

And I strongly suspect Day has figured out that A) Sark will go through stretches where he abandons the run for the pass even when the former is working, and B) Texas can be counted on to leave points off the board in the redzone.

Ryan Day did not plan for 8 months to have 200 yards of total offense and count on Texas bailing him out in the red zone in order to win a 14-7 game.

Let's be serious. 

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5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

But we didnt force Ohio state to do anything differently defensively and the motions help identify coverages pre snap more easily. It allowed them to just sit back like they did and give up runs

And it would have worked if Arch plays just OK.

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11 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Ryan Day did not plan for 8 months to have 200 yards of total offense and count on Texas bailing him out in the red zone in order to win a 14-7 game.

Let's be serious. 

The negative posters on here over the last couple years are functional fucking retards. 
we have a whole bunch of smart people that were pissed at late stage Mack, Charlie - and Herman because that should be the proper default for those morons. This is not that situation. 

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Can’t help but chuckle at the regardedness regarding our use of motion yesterday… not really much used but bygod on 3rd and 4 in the redzone, under center single back set, and we motion the back out 5 yards behind the line a few beats before snap completely negating any run threat. 

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6 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

The negative posters on here over the last couple years are functional fucking retards. 
we have a whole bunch of smart people that were pissed at late stage Mack, Charlie - and Herman because that should be the proper default for those morons. This is not that situation. 

To further add, I’m not saying everything is perfect or that dark doesn’t have things he could do a little better here and there, but to lose the forest for the trees is something simple minded dolts do and to write shit with a straight face like ryan Day planned a game with an 18% win expectancy is just Helo level moronic. 
 

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1 hour ago, lilMAC25 said:

I simply pointed out the absolute fallacies in your statement.

 

if you don’t think atm was a “big game” or that our defense didn’t have some HUGE goal line stops in that game that helped us win games and make it to the playoffs where we had more HUGE stops to help us advance, then maybe you should stop smoking crack.

 

Sark is a LLLOOOONNNNGGG away from perfect, but he’s all a LLLOOOOONNNNGGG WAY from what we had before him. More than likely the guy we have after him is gonna be worse than Sark.
 

(BTW, you might wanna check who started this shitshow of a thread)

wtf are you even talking about? I never questioned our defense making goal line stands. I said other coaches didn’t have an issue with our great defense scoring points that helped them win a game. That doesn’t mean our defense sucked, our defense does their fucking job literally almost every game.
 

It’s sark not doing his and scoring when it matters most. His record in the biggest games we play shows that. Aggy isn’t Georgia or Ohio st and a stupid comparison. Matter of fact it backs up my statement of our limp dick offensive struggles. Our offense scored aggy only points. 

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44 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

This is where I’m kind of at. arch is starting his 3rd year in the system. What we saw called yesterday was vanilla bullshit that shouldn’t have been called from the get go. We should have been running our normal amount of pre snap movement and such. Arch being bad didn’t help at all but going vanilla as fuck and not giving him simple options really sucked in that environment. It made playing defense and covering so much easier. 

Im fine limiting the playbook and I expect inexperienced mistakes like an INT or missing the check down throwing it deep into coverage and a sack bc he held it too long. I didn’t expect dog shit performance across the board from said highly ranked 3rd year in the system QB, especially when sark says the kid is ready and can handle the pressure. What in the actual fuck is that disconnect? 

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1 minute ago, troph said:

Im fine limiting the playbook and I expect inexperienced mistakes I didn’t expect dog shit performance across the board especially when sark says the kid is ready and can handle the pressure. What in the actual fuck is that disconnect? 

Yeah, but he's a coach and that was coachspeak. What do you expect him to say?

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Just now, David Dennison said:

Yeah, but he's a coach and that was coachspeak. What do you expect him to say?

Arch is a tough kid, he’s growing and learning and I have all the confidence in the world, it’ll be a big test for us, but it’s just game 1 and we have a long season ahead of us to define who we are. We are going out there to compete and get better every day. 

that’s much better coach speak than arch is ready for this he’s had the manning name on his back his whole life. 

slider / bullshit meme

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1 minute ago, troph said:

Arch is a tough kid, he’s growing and learning and I have all the confidence in the world, it’ll be a big test for us, but it’s just game 1 and we have a long season ahead of us to define who we are. We are going out there to compete and get better every day. 

that’s much better coach speak than arch is ready for this he’s had the manning name on his back his whole life. 

slider / bullshit meme

I hear ya. It's all coachspeak, which is why I try to take everything a head coach says about his team with a grain of salt.

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I guess coach-hating is addictive. It's absurd to think Manning looked in practice the way he did in the shoe, and Sark decided he was ready. This was not a failure of coach preparation unless you think a coach can prescribe and administer xanax.

It wasn't footwork or mechanics that thwarted Manning. He choked horrifically. All the evidence you need for that is to review his performance in other games where the pressure was low. He was more than competent in those games. Had he played that well in this game, we likely win.

The only difference was pressure. Similarly to his panicky showing against Georgia last year, the moment was too large for him.  He faces pressure from the importance of a game and the expections almost cruelly laid upon him. 

I'll write this game off. He has a couple of cupcakes coming up, then he must face the next test. 

It's profoundly stupid to blame Manning's performance on Sarkisian. Fourth downs are another matter altogether.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

I hear ya. It's all coachspeak, which is why I try to take everything a head coach says about his team with a grain of salt.

I rarely listen but it’s pretty terrible when the coach speak isn’t even on the same planet as reality, it calls into question the coach’s perception, judgment, player development and preparation. 

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52 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It would have worked if Arch had had a just OK game.

See I’m not sure of this. Inside the 20 he needs to.be better than ok. Because of his OC

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

Mack won his championship in year 8.

Sark is doing just fine. He's a good head coach and great for Texas. 

Exactly. Day won his in year 6. It's not the end of the world. People (not all, obviously) expect Saban, Bobby Bpwden, DKR, etc and are disappointed when in reality guys like that are fewer than guys like Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, and Vince Young.  

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Just now, RomaVicta said:

I guess coach-hating is addictive. It's absurd to think Manning looked in practice the way he did in the shoe, and Sark decided he was ready. This was not a failure of coach preparation unless you think a coach can prescribe and administer xanax.

It wasn't footwork or mechanics that thwarted Manning. He choked horrifically. All the evidence you need for that is to review his performance in other games where the pressure was low. He was more than competent in those games. Had he played that well in this game, we likely win.

The only difference was pressure. Similarly to his panicky showing against Georgia last year, the moment was too large for him.  He faces pressure from the importance of a game and the expections almost cruelly laid upon him. 

I'll write this game off. He has a couple of cupcakes coming up, then he must face the next test. 

It's profoundly stupid to blame Manning's performance on Sarkisian. Fourth downs are another matter altogether.

This is fair but sark didn’t do much in game to adjust. 4.5 yards per carry, run the fucking ball. Throw hitches and curls and other easy throws where touch isn’t needed and neither is precision hitting a guy on the run. There’s a lot he could have done in game especially when he’s the so called QB whisperer. It might be the QBs fault for his play but that bad? That’s gotta fall on the coach too. Fuck it was the worst QB game in 10 fucking years out of the position. Sark doesn’t walk Scott free no way. 

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The sky is falling takes by too many on this board are as expected.  Texas fans are largely morons.     I told all the idiots predicting a 20+ point win they were smoking crack and this was a coin flip game.   No doubt these are the same idiots ready to give up on Arch and claiming Sark can't win a big game.  Clowns.

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1 hour ago, satyanash said:

We absolutely did not have the better gameplan.

Ohio State was inviting us to run the ball between the 20s all game. They kept a relatively light box and went exotic in the backend to confuse Arch, then tightened up in the redzone to shut down our run game and put the pressure on Sark and Arch to execute. Baxter and Wisner ran hard but we did not have the better gameplan just because we had more total yards. And I strongly suspect Day has figured out that A) Sark will go through stretches where he abandons the run for the pass even when the former is working, and B) Texas can be counted on to leave points off the board in the redzone.

On offense Ohio State purposely played conservatively with runs and quick passes. Our defense did well but they produced zero turnovers, zero sacks and just 1 TFL all game which was exactly what Ohio State needed to win with our offensive struggles on the other end. They didn't let our defense generate any big momentum-turning plays and they didn't risk Sayin making a big mistake.

Perfect summation.

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7 minutes ago, William Bludworth said:

Exactly. Day won his in year 6. It's not the end of the world. People (not all, obviously) expect Saban, Bobby Bpwden, DKR, etc and are disappointed when in reality guys like that are fewer than guys like Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, and Vince Young.  

People tend to forget that It took a while for Saban, Bobby Bowden, and DKR to become successful head coaches.

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1 hour ago, bschoolprof said:

Who are we gonna get better than Sark?  Who's even out there that's clearly better than Sark, regardless of availability?  

Barring some scandal or Jimbo-like flameout, he will coach here for a long time.  

 

Yeah. As long as he keeps putting us in position to fuck up in the redzone in high stakes games, we'll just have to keep rolling the dice and just hope one day we luck out and two or three different plays go our way to get us the rest of the way. Better than being TCU's bitch. 

It is baffling to me however, that with the gigantic support staffs they have available these days this particular problem persists year after year. You'd think someone that gets paid millions to coach could fix it in a single offseason. 

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