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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

The silence tells you all you need to know. 

Exactly. They've normalized releasing evidence as it's gathered on Twitter. If nothings being released, it's because they haven't figured out how to construct the narrative. 

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9 minutes ago, SpiralOut said:

Waiting with bated breath for Patel to tell us this shooter wrote ANTI-CHURCH on his bullets.

Not for nothing but I think his driving to an actual church and driving into the church setting it ablize and shooting the parishioners might qualify at the very least as anti-church or at the very least anti-Mormon? Or anti that specific church itself? Or anti the people who went to that specific church? His message may be in the target he selected? Or we will find out his motive isn’t even that. I give up trying to make sense of the senseless bullshit motives they all have. I just know they are all the same type of subhuman slimeball. 

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It’s not out of the realm of possibility that this shooting was payback for an LDS member murdering Charlie Kirk. Truck was equipped with big American flags…typical maga stuff.

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2 minutes ago, tchookem said:

Exactly. They've normalized releasing evidence as it's gathered on Twitter. If nothings being released, it's because they haven't figured out how to construct the narrative. 

It’s weird not even the underground socials have nada on this one. Not even a name so far. All that was reported earlier was that the killer was from nearby (to the church) town or city of Burton? If I spelled that right. Usually by now things leak other places even if they are wrong or right on the money. I don’t think much can be gleaned from the license plate on the truck (looks weird to me) so maybe that’s why outside an official announcement nothing has made it other places I haunt for the true crime shit.

 

there is another presser for updates scheduled for 5 pm est so coming up shortly? I think. 

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1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

It’s weird not even the underground socials have nada on this one. Not even a name so far. All that was reported earlier was that the killer was from nearby (to the church) town or city of Burton? If I spelled that right. Usually by now things leak other places even if they are wrong or right on the money. I don’t think much can be gleaned from the license plate on the truck (looks weird to me) so maybe that’s why outside an official announcement nothing has made it other places I haunt for the true crime shit.

 

there is another presser for updates scheduled for 5 pm est so coming up shortly? I think. 

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Posted
23 minutes ago, SpiralOut said:

Waiting with bated breath for Patel to tell us this shooter wrote ANTI-CHURCH on his bullets.

ANTI-MAGIC UNDERWEAR

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19 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

 

Alias? Because he has a prior criminal record I guess. Some may be disappointed but I am always disappointed if there isn’t some nexus to Florida in every case. Because every murderous weirdo has to have a connection to Florida. 
 

looks like next police presser on the shooting will be 8 PM ET. 

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21 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Alias? Because he has a prior criminal record I guess. Some may be disappointed but I am always disappointed if there isn’t some nexus to Florida in every case. Because every murderous weirdo has to have a connection to Florida. 
 

looks like next police presser on the shooting will be 8 PM ET. 

Ohio has something to say about that. 

 

Not sure on the alias. 

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1 hour ago, tchookem said:

Exactly. They've normalized releasing evidence as it's gathered on Twitter. If nothings being released, it's because they haven't figured out how to construct the narrative. 

They're still brainstorming and poring through his contacts to see if there was anyone LGBTQ+ / socialist / communist / ANTIFA adjacent to him.  (From the pics of this guy, good luck!)  There was a metric shit-ton of stuff on X from the Benny Johnson / DC Draino types screaming the "ChRIsTiANitY iS UnDEr AtTacK!1!!"  Strangely silent for a bit now, but they're definitely not going to give up until they can throw up some chaff to distract.  

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Some Christians believe the rapture started the other day. Like who knows? But the full blast batshit crazy happening lately ain’t helping to refute their premise. 

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1 hour ago, tchookem said:

Exactly. They've normalized releasing evidence as it's gathered on Twitter. If nothings being released, it's because they haven't figured out how to construct the narrative. 

And guys....a whole lot of this.

If there was anything that could REMOTELY be tied to "the left" or "antifa" or "thuh gayz/trans" or what have you as motivation.....Ka$h's FBI would have already posted it on all the social media sites.  If there's a violent attack that doesn't serve their chosen narrative (or even worse, fits the narrative that right-wing-motivated attacks are indeed a real thing), you aren't going to hear a single fucking thing about it.

Our FBI and DOJ are no longer anything close to objective investigatory and prosecutorial bodies.  They exist solely to advance the message and mission of the Regime.  We are East Germany, we are Russia, what have you.  Pick out an authoritarian propaganda state, and we're that.

I'm guessing there are decent odds that one time, he said something positive about a Dem politician -- could be the local school board chair, something like that, and it was about putting on a really nice homecoming celebration, it really doesn't matter.  And within an hour of them finding that, we'll have a full-on coordinated information blitz by the FBI that the shooter is a "DEMON-RAT!" followed by a Trump post that  "DUMBOCRATS ARE A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION AND MUST BE BANNED!"

And if they can't find something like that, you aren't going to see or hear jack shit about him.

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7 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And guys....a whole lot of this.

If there was anything that could REMOTELY be tied to "the left" or "antifa" or "thuh gayz/trans" or what have you as motivation.....Ka$h's FBI would have already posted it on all the social media sites.  If there's a violent attack that doesn't serve their chosen narrative (or even worse, fits the narrative that right-wing-motivated attacks are indeed a real thing), you aren't going to hear a single fucking thing about it.

Our FBI and DOJ are no longer anything close to objective investigatory and prosecutorial bodies.  They exist solely to advance the message and mission of the Regime.  We are East Germany, we are Russia, what have you.  Pick out an authoritarian propaganda state, and we're that.

I'm guessing there are decent odds that one time, he said something positive about a Dem politician -- could be the local school board chair, something like that, and it was about putting on a really nice homecoming celebration, it really doesn't matter.  And within an hour of them finding that, we'll have a full-on coordinated information blitz by the FBI that the shooter is a "DEMON-RAT!" followed by a Trump post that  "DUMBOCRATS ARE A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION AND MUST BE BANNED!"

And if they can't find something like that, you aren't going to see or hear jack shit about him.

We can be pretty sure that anyone facing Federal charges is proper screwed.  Unless of course, you've greased the palms of Dear Leader.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

 

I'm guessing there are decent odds that one time, he said something positive about a Dem politician -- could be the local school board chair, something like that, and it was about putting on a really nice homecoming celebration, it really doesn't matter.  

If it’s that dude who looks like he came out of deliverance that committed this shooting/arson today it’s unlikely (?) LE  will find anything close to that. But nothing makes sense anymore. As far as these fuckers motives. I freely expect this one’s to be batshit also. Has the governor said much at all on this? I saw an earlier post that she was heartbroken but not much else. I guess we have to wait for the next presser in an hour plus. 

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1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

 I freely expect this one’s to be batshit also. 

But you're missing Brisket's point.   If this guy has said anything remotely good about a Democrat, it's "See!  See!  See!  The left is violent and all of them need to incarcerated now!"  But if he's said/done anything pro-GOP, "He's mentally ill.  Nothing to see here.   Move along."

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4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

If it’s that dude who looks like he came out of deliverance that committed this shooting/arson today it’s unlikely (?) LE  will find anything close to that. But nothing makes sense anymore. As far as these fuckers motives. I freely expect this one’s to be batshit also. Has the governor said much at all on this? I saw an earlier post that she was heartbroken but not much else. I guess we have to wait for the next presser in an hour plus. 

See 956's earlier post.  The common thread on a great number of these -- apparently including yesterday's boat shooting, and quite possibly this attack on the church -- is that they are absolutely mentally broken and fucked up.  As he noted, because we've politicized EVERYTHING, almost anything a mentally fucked up person says or thinks will at least be somewhat politically adjacent.  Dude could be pissed about the alien mind control experiments on him that the government allowed to happen 2 years ago, and the Regime can say "SEE!  Bad stuff happened under Biden!"

But that story of untethered mental illness has no use for the regime, and in fact, if taken seriously, might actually require the regime to take proactive steps to address mental illness (particularly among veterans, as these last two shooters were)....so....ain't never gonna happen.

I maintain that the two most likely information outcomes are that (1) they find something, anything, to even loosely tie him to "the left," and they run with it, or (2) we don't hear a goddamned thing about his motives.

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I get the points y’all are making regarding a narrative. This has happened since I was a kiddo. I’m used to it. This board is one of the few places where people have more than just gerbils running around on wheels in their heads. We know dangerous narratives get pushed all the time. By different administrations.
 

I guess I’ve gotten so used to that shit that  I just skirt around the edges just trying to get to the truth of what happened  no matter who is in charge and what the narrative is. Most of us just want the truth. And transparency. I think it’s irresponsible and wrong and insidious and all that jazz to push any narrative.
 

So unless this newest shithead is part of a group that is planning attacks and we need to be aware of similar ones related to a particular group I usually tune out the narrative that’s being pushed. most of the time if it doesn’t fit we don’t hear a ton more about the crime itself unless the killer survives and there is a trial. And thankfully, in this case the victims won’t be put through that shit. 
 

if it doesn’t fit tonite’s presser may be the last unless it’s updates on how many people did not survive the fire. 😔 

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1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

I get the points y’all are making regarding a narrative. This has happened since I was a kiddo. I’m used to it. This board is one of the few places where people have more than just gerbils running around on wheels in their heads. We know dangerous narratives get pushed all the time. By different administrations.

No, Nicole.   That's not true.  Sure, every single human being has some innate bias etc. that colors their perspective, and different speakers PUSH different narratives.  But what is happening with the formerly (at least in my lifetime) relatively objective instruments of the DOJ and the FBI has NOT been happening since you were a kiddo.

10 years ago, if a shooter's motives were unfavorable to the admin in power, the FBI and DOJ still -- relatively thoughtfully and deliberately -- shared that information.  They weren't rushing out to post shit that served their preferred narrative on social media literally MINUTES after it was brought to their attention.  

No.  Stop.  You have to stop normalizing this shit with "everyone does it, it's always been that way."  They do not, and it has not.  Fucking stop.

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I'm at the point where I earnestly hope these shooters end up white and conservative. Not for political points, but so Trump and his administration won't find another reason to deport, demonize, or endanger everyone in this country. 

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Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm at the point where I earnestly hope these shooters end up white and conservative. Not for political points, but so Trump and his administration won't find another reason to deport, demonize, or endanger everyone in this country. 

Oh.  Like that will stop them.  They'll just wait until the next crime is committed by someone brown or black, and declare "a crisis of anti-Americanism, by people who shouldn't be here....we need to purge America of all undesirables."  Fuck, they've already done it, they'll just double and triple down on it.

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52 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Some Christians believe the rapture started the other day. Like who knows? But the full blast batshit crazy happening lately ain’t helping to refute their premise. 

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If you believe in the rapture in any way, shape or form, you're a fucking lunatic.  (The royal you, not you specifically. )

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7 minutes ago, scottsins said:


How would you identify these people? Who makes the determination? What is the burden of proof for locking up someone indefinitely for wanting to do evil shit?

We would need a lot of new laws for sure because it is legal to be an evil asshole.

Seems a little Minority Report to me, but I don’t mind tossing out ideas because something needs to be done about this bullshit.

I’d love to toss around ideas in a serious way. I don’t think my stream of consciousness posting is helpful though. But I want people to live with dignity. And have “normal” fucked up lives like the rest of us. Not lives out of their control bc of their illness. That tells them it’s cool to sit on the sidewalk and eat their own feces. No one wants people just confined. I read that the UT campus stabber (2017) could be getting out of the mental hospital soon, the hope is he can have a full life. Not self medicate and go to a place that he was in before. Surely there is a balance between helping others gain their true selves back that are taken by their mental illness and also protect the public at large from these people. I just don’t know how to achieve it either. Which is why no one seems to be tackling it. But it would have to be bi-partisan (sure) and a lot of experts reaching the best consensus possible and my hope is fading fast we may ever have this. But I haven’t completely lost hope. 

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8 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

If you believe in the rapture in any way, shape or form, you're a fucking lunatic.  (The royal you, not you specifically. )

Oh hell no. I don’t believe what they believe that the rapture started 9-23-25. I know what you meant. Just clarifying. I don’t have the time in the day to go to each state and fling people into lakes unless someone wants to loan me a nice Winnebago and gas money. For my purge. 

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29 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

No, Nicole.   That's not true.  Sure, every single human being has some innate bias etc. that colors their perspective, and different speakers PUSH different narratives.  But what is happening with the formerly (at least in my lifetime) relatively objective instruments of the DOJ and the FBI has NOT been happening since you were a kiddo.

10 years ago, if a shooter's motives were unfavorable to the admin in power, the FBI and DOJ still -- relatively thoughtfully and deliberately -- shared that information.  They weren't rushing out to post shit that served their preferred narrative on social media literally MINUTES after it was brought to their attention.  

No.  Stop.  You have to stop normalizing this shit with "everyone does it, it's always been that way."  They do not, and it has not.  Fucking stop.

it sure seems like one side wants to kill the other. they are just waiting for enough "things" to happen so they can feel its logical enough and justified. thats why the reactions, treatment, outrage and everything is so wildly uneven. They've been carrying this hatred around with them for a long ass time. i don't know how you get any reason across to them at this time. and no doubt there will be a killing or terrorist attack by *whatever woke thing scares them* and all hell with break loose. The 10:1 stats showing the real problem doesn't fucking matter and never will. 

i have no fucking clue how to deal with these people.

i don't want to hear jack shit about both sides. we can both sides the goddamn parties being in bed with big tech and the banks, but not with violence and certainly not with how its understood and discussed.

the fucking posts on FB from trumpers "don't be my friend if you support political violence" when kirk was killed. what a fucking uneven playing field to have to try operate in. 

 

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