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It is absurd that they offered the gun to police to keep it away from their son because they knew he was dangerous and they could not take it and keep it but apparently they could give it a third party which the son evidently had access too.

That may be the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard about our stupid gun laws or lack there of.

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1 hour ago, Steamboat1874 said:

It is absurd that they offered the gun to police to keep it away from their son because they knew he was dangerous and they could not take it and keep it but apparently they could give it a third party which the son evidently had access too.

That may be the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard about our stupid gun laws or lack there of.

Are you drunk?

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Fuck you, Hot Wheels. Just fuck you. And fuck the "pew pew" crew too. This report is absolutely gutting.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/01/us/uvalde-911-classroom-call-delay/index.html

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“I’m in classroom 112,” the little girl tells the police dispatcher. “Please hurry. There is a lot of dead bodies.”

The clear plea comes in a 12:10 p.m. call from Khloie Torres, then 10 years old and trapped at Robb Elementary School with a gunman who has slaughtered her friends and a teacher. Khloie, now 11, survived.

Khloie Torres, photographed by her mom, did all she could to keep her friends calm and get help.

Courtesy Jamie Torres

“Please get help. I don’t wanna die. My teacher is dead. Oh, my God.”

The dispatcher sends out the message to the dozens, soon to be hundreds of law enforcement officers swarming to the school in Uvalde, Texas.

It’s more than 30 minutes since the teenager entered the school and shot his way into classrooms 111 and 112.

And it takes 40 more minutes from Khloie giving details to authorities until a strike team burst into the room, challenging the gunman at 12:50 p.m.

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CNN has heard this 911 call, and others made by the same girl and classmates, whispering information and pleading for help. It’s the call that should have ended any doubt or hesitation that the teenage gunman was active, roaming between the two connected classrooms, that children were trapped, injured and needed to be saved.

Interactive: How law enforcement’s narrative of the Uvalde massacre has changed

The entire law enforcement response has been condemned, almost from start to finish. And agencies have blamed each other in changing narratives since the massacre on May 24, for not following up on the initial attempt to go into the classroom when the gunman fired back, to treating the suspect as barricaded but not an active threat, and long waits for equipment and specialist personnel.

Nineteen children and two teachers were killed that day, though at least one adult and one child did not die immediately. Texas’ top cop, director of the Department of Public Safety Col. Steven McCraw, has acknowledged failures, most recently to bereaved families last week, but insisted his department as a whole did not fail the community.

CNN obtained the calls from a source and is using excerpts with the approval of Khloie’s parents. CNN also informed families who lost people in the massacre that this story was coming.

Khloie’s father, Ruben Torres, a former Marine, said he knew how hard it was to give good information when under fire. “That day, the things that she did were absolutely incredible,” he said of his daughter. Of the adults who responded, he said: “None of them had courage that day.”

An agonizing wait

“I need help … please. Have y’all captured the person?” the fourth grader asks at 12:12 p.m. And a few minutes later, “You want me to open the door now?”

Time and again Khloie is told by the dispatcher to stay quiet, to keep her terrified and injured friends quiet, and to wait.

“I’m telling everyone to be quiet but nobody is listening to me,” she tells the operator. “I understand what to do in these situations. My dad taught me when I was a little girl. Send help.”

She tells the 911 operator that her teacher – Eva Mireles – is alive but has been shot and asks for an ambulance at 12:15 p.m.

Outside, a final total of 376 armed law enforcement personnel are gathering.

First on CNN: Uvalde video shows children scrambling for safety and a chief fumbling with door keys

At 12:12 p.m. the radio call goes out: “Uvalde to any units: Be advised we do have a child on the line … room 12 [sic]. Is anybody inside of the building at this time?”

“Go ahead with that child’s information,” an answer comes back.

“The child is advising he [sic] is in in the room full of victims, full of victims at this moment.”

“10-4,” comes the confirmation.

The announcement can clearly be heard on audio captured by body cameras worn by officers inside the school.

There was plenty of confusion at the start of the massive response to the school shooting, which came after the gunman shot his grandmother in the head and crashed a truck near the school, both of which triggered emergency calls.

Once in the school, it wasn’t immediately known whether the shooter went to an office or a classroom, or whether he had victims with him.

But the call from Khloie and some of her classmates who came on the line or made their own attempts to call for help were clear. And known.

The news spreads beyond those who heard the initial transmission.

“Supposedly one kid called as it was underway. He’s been in that room for an hour now,” an officer tells a newly arrived responder, apparently referring to the shooter.

“We don’t know if he has anybody in the room with him, do we?” asks an officer in the hallway outside the classrooms. “He does,” comes the reply. “Eight or nine children.”

EMT: ‘We’re taking too long’

While some are talking about gas masks and shields and a command post, an emergency medic from Border Patrol arrives. He, too, knows about the children.

“EMT! EMT!” he shouts as he asks how to get to the victims in “Room 12.” One officer shrugs. Another who’s been on the scene for more than 20 minutes says, “No, we hadn’t heard that,” apparently referring to injured children.

The medic tells them: “They just had a kid in room 12, multiple victims, room 12.” He goes inside the hallway to where more officers are huddling. “They said kids, room 12.”

There’s talk of finding a master key.

Then more gunshots.

Officers with long guns, helmets and body armor move a little closer, and stop.

“F**k. We’re taking too long,” the medic says.

Inside the classroom, Khloie starts her third call to 911.

The children who survived Uvalde massacre are heartbroken they couldn't save their friends. Their moms now worry about their future

“Can you tell the police to come to my room?” she asks. And again, minutes later, “Can you send a policeman in now, please?”

She is told to stay quiet, to keep her classmates – some apparently moaning in pain – quiet, and wait.

She said to the dispatcher she thought she heard police in the hallway and was again advised to stay quiet.

Later, Khloie tells police how she was using her teacher’s phone, how she knew how to make the emergency call without having to unlock the phone as it was like her dad’s.

She also told of how she had time to try to help her friends while the gunman was in the adjoining classroom, where he killed all the students and wounded the teacher.

“I stood up to look for Band-Aids ‘cause my friend had a big cut.”

Then, fearing the shooter might come back to her room, she hid again, under a table.

The girl is on the call as officers finally force their way in to the room next door. Loud, prolonged bursts of gunfire can be heard as the dispatcher tells her: “Stay down. Do not get up. Stay down. Do not, do not move.”

The girl survives. She is taken to the hospital on a school bus with other injured classmates where she’s able to speak face to face with one of the responders, saying she was on the phone.

“I was trying not to cry,” she said.

 

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Also, those Uvalde parents are going hard. I wish I knew in advance when they are rallying/meeting because they come to Austin quite often. 

 

The rawness of some of their Twitter accounts is a slap in the face that everyone needs:

 

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1 hour ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Release the audio. 

Release pictures of the classroom. Release pictures of the victims blown apart. 

Why are we being babied? Too many people see this in the abstract. It's a movie to them. This must be removed from the abstract. Make it real. Show us.

Fuck traditional broadcast standards. Children and shoppers getting mowed down by berserk terrorists demands action. Show everybody what we're talking about.

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3 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Jesus.  What an amazing kid:

 

No doubt. And so much is focused on those 19 kids and 2 teachers, but there are so many more than that who are going to be absolutely traumatized by that day for the rest of their lives. The toll of the shootings is measured in body counts but it's so much more than that.

And it seems we just shrug our shoulders as a nation.

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1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

Release pictures of the classroom. Release pictures of the victims blown apart. 

Why are we being babied? Too many people see this in the abstract. It's a movie to them. This must be removed from the abstract. Make it real. Show us.

Fuck traditional broadcast standards. Children and shoppers getting mowed down by berserk terrorists demands action. Show everybody what we're talking about.

Yep. And the vibe I get from the Uvalde parents is that they are angry, aggressive, and want change. If it were as simple as getting the ok of the parents to release photos -- as traumatic as that is -- it wouldn't surprise me if they would allow it. 

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1 minute ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

No doubt. And so much is focused on those 19 kids and 2 teachers, but there are so many more than that who are going to be absolutely traumatized by that day for the rest of their lives. The toll of the shootings is measured in body counts but it's so much more than that.

And it seems we just shrug our shoulders as a nation.

All of them will at all of these events.  I met someone the other day that was in school about 3 blocks from the OKC bombing and it blew all the windows in her school out and she still has nightmares about it and has needed therapy to cope with the memories.  

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2 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Yep. And the vibe I get from the Uvalde parents is that they are angry, aggressive, and want change. If it were as simple as getting the ok of the parents to release photos -- as traumatic as that is -- it wouldn't surprise me if they would allow it. 

I'd want their approval, but I don't know that I'd require it. Give fair warning when the images are published or broadcast. Maybe directly contact the families in advance so they won't happen upon the images by accident.

But showing the reality of this to those imagining some sort of clean conflict between a bad guy and a good guy in some sort of sterile showdown is essential IMHO.

I don't know if it will sway the argument proof degenerates of the new right, but let/make them see what they choose to neglect. They'll likely clutch their pearls and claim this is worse than shooting kids.

 

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4 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I don't know if it will sway the argument proof degenerates of the new right, but let/make them see what they choose to neglect. They'll likely clutch their pearls and claim this is worse than shooting kids.

They would wail and moan about how the left is sick, but they would be forced to see the reality.  Clockwork Orange their asses.

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I’ve told my family if I’m killed by gun violence that I insist on them being loud nuisances and if they DON’T politicize my death and publish pictures of my bullet riddled corpse then I’ll haunt them lol.

If I go out like that, at least use my murder to terrorize and shame the assholes who allowed guns to have more rights than people.

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On 3/15/2019 at 9:17 AM, housious said:

Is this a serious post?

Tell me you believe your rhetoric is convincing without saying convincing rhetoric.

On 3/15/2019 at 9:28 AM, EMAWesome said:

Have you read the entire manifesto?  He designed it intentionally in a manner to make people knee jerk tear into other people just to show how easy it can be done.  He pinballs off of every political ideology known to man.  He has parts where he claims to be right-wing.  He has parts where he claims to be left-wing.  He has parts condemning the right wing.  He has parts condemning the left wing.  He claims to support Trump as a symbol and then turns around and states that he absolutely hates Trumps actions and policies.  He states upfront that the purpose of putting it on the net is to fuck with everyone and get everyone to intensify their hostilities with everyone else.   Have another bite of the cheese.

 

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Keller ISD to vote on the idea of arming some teachers this evening. (Oh, and also banning books with LGBTQ+ characters in them.

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/keller-isd-to-consider-arming-teachers-pulling-books-on-gender-fluidity/3124574/

The Keller Independent School District Board Trustees are set to vote on two matters Monday night that is bound to split opinion within the community – a measure that would authorize teachers and employees to carry guns in the classroom, and another that would ban library books that mention “gender fluidity.”
With respect to firearms, the measure before the board would empower the Superintendent to approve teachers or district employees to carry a handgun on campus and at school-sponsored events.
"I worry about them everyday we send them out the door but I don’t agree the answer is more guns there’s no way around the fact that more guns make us less safe," said Laney Hawes, a Keller ISD parent.
"You can run the numbers all day long if your children are in the room with a loaded gun, they are more likely to be shot by that gun," she said.
The proposal is specifically meant to “address concerns about the effective and timely response to emergency situations on district property, including invasion of a school by an armed outsider,” according to the agenda.
Properly approved personnel may be asked to complete additional training in “specialized crisis intervention, management of hostage situations, and other topics the board may determine necessary or appropriate.”
"We don’t want to send someone out there who’s first thing in gun over verbal judo," said Trevor Buker, who supports arming teachers. "The ultimate win is for the kids their safety and all that," he said.
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Buker says it's impossible to leave protecting students in the hands of one person and he supports any action to arm teachers, retired military personnel, or anyone who can assist.
Rural districts in Texas have armed teachers for years, including Mineral Wells, which has signs posted in front the doors it's been more rare to see them in metro areas.
Another matter of concern before the board involves the district adding “discussion or depiction of gender fluidity” to a list of topics that would result in removal from school libraries.
"There’s not a question in the world that this is unconstitutional , hateful, and a violation of our students civil rights," said Hawes. "What they’re doing is communicating to students that they shouldn’t exist and I can’t think of anything more terrifying than the people in charge don’t want you to exist and don’t want anyone to know about you."
Earlier this year, Keller ISD made news when it pulled more than three dozen books from library shelves, including the Bible and a graphic novel adaptation of Anne Frank’s “The Diary of a Young Girl.”
Another book that was pulled earlier this year was “Gender Queer: A Memoir,” which depicts its author’s story of finding their gender identity and exploring their sexual orientation.
The parents said the district like others backed by a conservative political action committee, tend to announce controversial sweeping changes on Friday evenings, and call for votes the following Monday.
"We have multiple different political, cultural, religious ideologies and that’s great diversity makes us better, but it feels like only one side of those is what they want to hear and they dismiss everyone else," said Melissa Muenzler, a Keller ISD parent. "Most of my emails go unanswered and the transparency isn't there."
"They are creating these wildly political hyperpartisan policies and doing it in the dark of night and then just dropping it on us. And with a policy like giving teachers loaded guns, this is something that should have been brought to the community, we should have had massive surveys," said Hawes.
 
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