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We’re in a NFL style era of championship windows, Sark has to win a title in the next two years with the roster he has built before we are in rebuild mode. I just don’t believe that Texas is going to have some late surge of flips and sign a top 3 class, that just strikes me as wish casting. Either Texas just doesn’t have the free funds to match other offers given how loaded and expensive our roster is. Or we are going to see the most epic, meltdown, drama filled plane crash if schools are the lying to the order of millions of dollars they don’t have. I really just don’t believe it’s the latter, as much as I want it to be.

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2 minutes ago, Not a Sock said:

We’re in a NFL style era of championship windows, Sark has to win a title in the next two years with the roster he has built before we are in rebuild mode. I don’t believe that Texas is going to have some late surge of flips and sign a top 3 class, that just strikes me as wish casting. Either Texas just doesn’t have the free funds to match other offers given how loaded and expensive the roster is. Or we are going to see the most epic meltdown drama filled plane crash if schools are the lying in the orders of millions of dollars they don’t have. I really just don’t believe it’s the latter, as much as I want it to be.

Come on, dude.  It’s simple.  We have smart people managing the money and the roster.  The schools at the top, aside from Notre Dame, are full of lying scumbags and dumbasses.  I’m awaiting the implosions and, for aggy, the sequel to the best class ever nuclear meltdown.  Somehow I expect Lane Kiffin to benefit mightily from the equivocation of this cycle.

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2 hours ago, immamac said:

If you opt out you are basically done with college athletics

Opting in or out is for plaintiff class members -- athletes.  The defendants are the NCAA and P5 conferences, who are parties to and bound by the settlement.  I'm not sure any universities are actual defendants.

The only opting in or out by universities is leaving their conference.

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3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

“Texas Recruiting Notes 2026: We’re Going To Repeat A Lot Of NIL Discussion” 

If we have to choose a Green Day motif, can we choose something other than their most terrible song?

”Texas Recruiting Notes 2026: Dookie”, for instance. 

Do you have the time 

To listen to me whine

About nothing and everything all at once?

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3 hours ago, RollLeft said:

Texas Recruiting Notes 2026...Good Riddance, Boulevard of Broken Dreams, American Idiot?

I mean no one said it?(and yes I know it's not the title)

"Texas Recruiting Notes 2026: I hope you had the time of your life."

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2 hours ago, Not a Sock said:

We’re in a NFL style era of championship windows, Sark has to win a title in the next two years with the roster he has built before we are in rebuild mode. I just don’t believe that Texas is going to have some late surge of flips and sign a top 3 class, that just strikes me as wish casting. Either Texas just doesn’t have the free funds to match other offers given how loaded and expensive our roster is. Or we are going to see the most epic, meltdown, drama filled plane crash if schools are the lying to the order of millions of dollars they don’t have. I really just don’t believe it’s the latter, as much as I want it to be.

This is how I’ve been feeling. The smart NFL organizations twist themselves into all sorts of cap hell to make a run and then spend 2-3 years unwinding the mess and retooling.

Our boosters just got the hat passed to them to land a #1 class, bring in a bunch of key portal pieces, and also retain substantially everyone from arguably the most talented roster in CFB. That wasn’t cheap. Now we’re in bidding wars for DTs that won’t even see the field until Arch is in a New Orleans Saints jersey? I could definitely see people saying let’s actually win something, then we’ll talk. 

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32 minutes ago, tokamak said:

This is how I’ve been feeling. The smart NFL organizations twist themselves into all sorts of cap hell to make a run and then spend 2-3 years unwinding the mess and retooling.

Our boosters just got the hat passed to them to land a #1 class, bring in a bunch of key portal pieces, and also retain substantially everyone from arguably the most talented roster in CFB. That wasn’t cheap. Now we’re in bidding wars for DTs that won’t even see the field until Arch is in a New Orleans Saints jersey? I could definitely see people saying let’s actually win something, then we’ll talk. 

Thanks for making last plays of the last two seasons feel worse

 

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I haven't been paying a lot of attention to recruiting this cycle, but it seems like almost all of our recruiting "losses" these past few weeks were to out of state talent that up until a few years ago these recruits wouldn't have responded to our phone calls, and now we're in their final 2 or 3 schools. Thats a good trend going forward, even if it hurts to lose these last handful of out-of-state recruits. 

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4 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Are we talking late Mack era bad or what?

worse.  mack won a championship and got us to another that we’d clearly have won if the starting qb doesn’t go down.  sark didn’t even get us to a championship game before his wheels came off and he shit all over himself. 

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6 hours ago, Not a Sock said:

We’re in a NFL style era of championship windows, Sark has to win a title in the next two years with the roster he has built before we are in rebuild mode. I just don’t believe that Texas is going to have some late surge of flips and sign a top 3 class, that just strikes me as wish casting. Either Texas just doesn’t have the free funds to match other offers given how loaded and expensive our roster is. Or we are going to see the most epic, meltdown, drama filled plane crash if schools are the lying to the order of millions of dollars they don’t have. I really just don’t believe it’s the latter, as much as I want it to be.

That is not what is going on.

It's more like a cap has recently been instituted, with no clear enforcement mechanism, and no clear punishments if a team goes over the cap, so some programs are trying to abide by the cap, and others aren't. 

It's basically very similar to pre 2017 except with a higher floor for wages for student athletes. If you want to ignore the rules and spend up to the limit that your boosters will spend above the $20.5 million provided by the athletic department, then go ahead. And we'll see if these enforcement mechanisms have any teeth or not. 

We're extremely early in this iteration of recruiting, so we'll see how Texas responds over time. There's not a need to rush to action simply because people are panicking on message boards. The roster is in great shape. The signing period isn't until December. Let's see what happens. 

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Jesus H Christ....I should have sold my stock in NVDA and bought stock in Tampax and Midol based off this thread.....
 
Ya'll are making me consider taking the drastic step of visiting the football board looking for intelligent conversation....Why would ya'll do that to someone?
 
So anyway....
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I just landed on my flight back from Hawaii and see new CB’s for Ojo, Turntine, and Carlton with Ojo announcing on the 4th of July only to come see this shitshow of a board.
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11 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

Well, any summary of the House settlement is going to be inadequate, because a) it's a summary b) there are unintended consequences, some of which can be foreseen, and some it of which cannot.

College football is in something of an existential crisis. How can that be, SL Xpress? It's never been more popular! The ratings are through the roof. There's more money pouring in than ever before! 

Sure, then a disruption happens, and suddenly we see the cracks in retrospect that were always there previously.

College football has lost control of their labor costs. Over the past 30 years there has been a meteoric rise in salaries among coaches and administrators. There have been facility funding wars. But a lot of that was possible because of the artificial suppression of wages for the players, set at the cost of a scholarship, and then amended over the years to some cost of living and travel expense allowances that didn't even approach the market value of talented players. There has always been a black market since college football became a thing, that grew exponentially after WWII with black market trend setter OU. Saban and others brought around another era which saw the amount given to everyone associated with talented players - including the players themselves, but not exclusively - rise extensively, but since it was a black market, it didn't come close to what their real market value is.

The thing is, college football wages are not tied to profit/loss statements. Businesses can overpay their labor force, until they go out of business or are purchased by someone else because they're no longer competitive. Like someone told me, the numbers don't matter until they matter. For most businesses layoffs occur prior to that because they're not growing enough or they're losing money. 

But for college football players, they're insulated from those dynamics somewhat because their market value is determined by the ego of wealthy boosters, not by profit/loss statements. 

That hasn't changed. The House settlement didn't change that. It's put up some parameters to try to help keep the labor costs from spiraling out of control, but the market is going to do what the market is going to do. Just because someone sets up some boundaries, doesn't mean those boundaries are going to be respected. To have people respect boundaries - and this is in any setting, not just football - there better be some consequences for going off the rails. The more severe the consequences, the more effective the boundaries will be.

What are the consequences for not abiding by the House settlement? Nobody knows. Until that's clear, plenty of groups are going to test things. Which is what we're seeing. Texas is not going to be one of those. Texas sees that the labor market for college football players is unsustainable, so while Texas has a competitive advantage in that landscape, it's not good for the sport as a whole, so they're taking a disciplined approach so far and trying to abide by the letter of the House settlement. At least right now. 

Here's the dirty secret. None of the key decision makers in college football think the House settlement is any kind of answer. They're not fools. That's why the Big Ten and SEC commissioners were in Washington trying to get a bill passed. That's why the Notre Dame AD went golfing with Trump. What they're hoping is that the House settlement shows lawmakers they're trying, but the message to them is "we need legal help from the federal government." Which is a scary phrase to utter, but in this case it's true. There's no mechanism which will allow college football to govern itself effectively. Whatever they try to do will end up in court and be struck down due to antitrust, Title IX, or the issue of players not being classified as employees. Like the movie Wargames "the only real choice is to not play the game," but I think we can all agree none of us want to see Texas opt out of college football a la Ivy League style. 

As far as this recruiting cycle the dynamics have changed, just like they changed when the Alston decision was first handed down. It will continue to change and evolve. closetojumping has the best post I've seen on the subject, and he's as close to a subject matter expert as we have on this board. Here's the link to his post for anyone who didn't see it on the previous page:

 

So we're just going to have to wait and see. We have a great roster right now. UT's response to this new environment is going to continue to evolve, but we have a chairman of the board of regents and an AD who are on the same page with this stuff. We didn't make the decision to join the SEC just to turn into Vanderbilt. I feel highly confident Texas is going to come out of all of this A-OK. But in the short term there's going to be some rough patches. That's what we're seeing right now. 

@CTJ, you, @campcrunk, @texifonia and others have all given wonderful insights. A simple fact from the House ruling that no one has mentioned yet is that if money from either side crosses a state line, you get the BIG boys in suits involved...that becomes an FBI issue. Texas isn't going to play fast and loose with this. aggie already is and, shit don't they still owe their supposed academic side about 20M? Those fools will bankrupt. LSU takes federal funds to pay players. Nothing new from Louisiana, last state to obey federal laws on drinking, have federal funds for interstates withheld (thankfully, I'll admit I was buying drive thru daiquiris at 15 with extra shots of Everclear - wait, that may have been negative for me). Not cloak room, but you don't fuck with the hammer the FBI can bring. Hell, they recruited me! They didn't like my question on, I get to carry a gun always as an accountant? 1997. 

We will get the recruits we need as always. We're not playing any cheating games - didn't under DKR even. Some schools beg for relevance and use bags, illegal funds, whatever, Texas doesn't.

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I had something incredibly prescient, impactful, and possibly even program changing to say about the state of Texas football and recruiting. Then, the series finale of Six Feet Under started playing on Netflix and now I'm a wreck who can't remember any of my astoundingly profound, likely universe-shifting prior thoughts

 

Anyway, since we're already bitching about thread derailments in early July of the recruiting season when very, very little permanently impactful things are happening (at least if we're to believe, as I do, that the program is going to turn up the heat in a big way in a couple of months and leaving some bitch ass, crooked af programs wondering "WTF just happened?"), let me say only this: poor Keith deserved better

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2 minutes ago, campcrunk said:

I had something incredibly prescient, impactful, and possibly even program changing to say about the state of Texas football and recruiting. Then, the series finale of Six Feet Under started playing on Netflix and now I'm a wreck who can't remember any of my astoundingly profound, likely universe-shifting prior thoughts

 

Anyway, since we're already bitching about thread derailments in early July of the recruiting season when very, very little permanently impactful things are happening (at least if we're to believe, as I do, that the program is going to turn up the heat in a big way in a couple of months and leaving some bitch ass, crooked af programs wondering "WTF just happened?"), let me say only this: poor Keith deserved better

If ever near Atlanta, drinks on me Sir. 

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7 minutes ago, Leanderman said:

Lets hope we ever go back to offering kids in wheelchairs though. :)

Come-on man. I went from jogging 3 miles 3x a week swimming miles to 51 with zero beer gut no love handles, still a 32in waist and sometimes I need a wheelchair. MS/hemochromatosis/Parkinson who knows but I can say MRI suck, Spinal tap recovery suck, Catscanes easy issues and frankly left arm isn't working 

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1 hour ago, hornlife said:

Come-on man. I went from jogging 3 miles 3x a week swimming miles to 51 with zero beer gut no love handles, still a 32in waist and sometimes I need a wheelchair. MS/hemochromatosis/Parkinson who knows but I can say MRI suck, Spinal tap recovery suck, Catscanes easy issues and frankly left arm isn't working 

Okay, what's your 40 time?

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1 hour ago, hornlife said:

Come-on man. I went from jogging 3 miles 3x a week swimming miles to 51 with zero beer gut no love handles, still a 32in waist and sometimes I need a wheelchair. MS/hemochromatosis/Parkinson who knows but I can say MRI suck, Spinal tap recovery suck, Catscanes easy issues and frankly left arm isn't working 

 

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5 hours ago, JFKFC said:

There is no cap on NIL.

Yeah, the terminology gets awkward. There's a $20.5 million cap on NIL provided by the schools. There's no cap on third party NIL, but all deals over $600 are supposed to go through a clearinghouse that determines if they're legitimate. If the NIL deal is determined not to be a market rate NIL deal based on an algorithm, the deal is supposed to be blown up. 

Right now Texas is deciding on an administrative level to not do booster led NIL deals for the 2026 class. So they're counting on the $15 million or so out of the $20.5 million allotment the school has put forward specifically for football, plus whatever NIL deals the metro area of Austin can produce for local athletes - plus whatever national brands want to get on board - to compensate athletes. Other schools don't seem to be following the same formula, so for the 2026 class other programs appear to have more money to throw at athletes than Texas does. That's a bit of a question, but that's the appearance. 

Like I've said multiple times, the ink isn't dry on the House settlement, so we'll have to see how it all works out. But I can say that if Texas abides by this, and other schools choose to add more booster led NIL deals, then Texas isn't going to just have a tough time recruiting in football. They'll have a tough time recruiting in any sport where booster led initiatives are being used to acquire talent. That will become very obvious very quickly. I just don't see how Texas allows that as a long term situation.

But the House settlement is not college sports' final form. Not by a long shot. We are in a phase of complete chaos, where the rules will change regularly, and programs that value winning will have to constantly adapt. 

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11 hours ago, tokamak said:

This is how I’ve been feeling. The smart NFL organizations twist themselves into all sorts of cap hell to make a run and then spend 2-3 years unwinding the mess and retooling.

Our boosters just got the hat passed to them to land a #1 class, bring in a bunch of key portal pieces, and also retain substantially everyone from arguably the most talented roster in CFB. That wasn’t cheap. Now we’re in bidding wars for DTs that won’t even see the field until Arch is in a New Orleans Saints jersey? I could definitely see people saying let’s actually win something, then we’ll talk. 

How do you think I feel being a Texas and 49ers fan and getting close to winning it all but falling short.

7 hours ago, SL Xpress said:

That is not what is going on.

It's more like a cap has recently been instituted, with no clear enforcement mechanism, and no clear punishments if a team goes over the cap, so some programs are trying to abide by the cap, and others aren't. 

It's basically very similar to pre 2017 except with a higher floor for wages for student athletes. If you want to ignore the rules and spend up to the limit that your boosters will spend above the $20.5 million provided by the athletic department, then go ahead. And we'll see if these enforcement mechanisms have any teeth or not. 

We're extremely early in this iteration of recruiting, so we'll see how Texas responds over time. There's not a need to rush to action simply because people are panicking on message boards. The roster is in great shape. The signing period isn't until December. Let's see what happens. 

I have said this before in this thread, athletic departments are not going to be able to hide going over the Revenue cap. ADs are subject to audit and lying to auditors who have legal power to inspect your books is not the same as telling the NCAA to piss off. If ADs are blowing past the revenue cap then that means they openly have zero intention of ever following it and they’re going to be able to pay their classes to sign in December. I highly doubt we have any clarity on the revenue cap before this class is on campus.

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16 hours ago, BornAndRaised said:

Boulevard of Broken Bagmen has the alliteration going for it if we go that way.

I like it. And American Idiot was the first CD I ever bought, so we're sticking to that album.

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15 minutes ago, SL Xpress said:

There's no cap on third party NIL, but all deals over $600 are supposed to go through a clearinghouse that determines if they're legitimate. If the NIL deal is determined not to be a market rate NIL deal based on an algorithm, the deal is supposed to be blown up. 

Right now Texas is deciding on an administrative level to not do booster led NIL deals for the 2026 class. So they're counting on the $15 million or so out of the $20.5 million allotment the school has put forward specifically for football, plus whatever NIL deals the metro area of Austin can produce for local athletes - plus whatever national brands want to get on board - to compensate athletes.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6414771/2025/06/10/nil-house-settlement-paying-athletes-deals-ncaa/

The new enforcement terms under the House settlement instruct college athletes to declare any third-party NIL deals worth at least $600 into a clearinghouse database. The idea is that the clearinghouse, dubbed “NIL Go” and managed by the accounting firm Deloitte, will serve as a restrictor plate on NIL collectives and pay-for-play, flagging deals that do not reflect a valid business purpose or fall within a reasonable range of compensation. Yahoo Sports reported that at the recent ACC spring meetings, Deloitte officials shared that 70 percent of past deals from NIL collectives would be denied under the new clearinghouse.

But in candid conversations, coaches and recruiting staffers have serious doubts that athletes will declare those deals, or do so accurately. Some have suggested that players are being encouraged not to declare deals at all, but to simply take the money and keep quiet rather than risk the clearinghouse flagging it. And if that’s the case, where do we suspect that money might be coming from? “I guess it would just be the same as the way things used to work,” lamented the athletic director, frustrated by those already angling to undermine the settlement. “We’d be right back where we started.”

History suggests that power-thirsty boosters paying athletes under the table is a tough thing to police — particularly after collectives spent the past few years streamlining the art of bag dropping. Now, instead of an envelope of cash in a player’s locker, it’s a direct deposit into their bank account. (The IRS might complicate that process under the House settlement, but that’s what payment apps are for.) “If some donor wants to wire a player $25,000 a month, who’s keeping track of that?” one power conference administrator said. Money wires aside, the system of boosters paying players is much more sophisticated and far less frowned upon, and it’s going to be impossible to put that infrastructure back into the tube.

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9 minutes ago, satyanash said:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6414771/2025/06/10/nil-house-settlement-paying-athletes-deals-ncaa/

The new enforcement terms under the House settlement instruct college athletes to declare any third-party NIL deals worth at least $600 into a clearinghouse database. The idea is that the clearinghouse, dubbed “NIL Go” and managed by the accounting firm Deloitte, will serve as a restrictor plate on NIL collectives and pay-for-play, flagging deals that do not reflect a valid business purpose or fall within a reasonable range of compensation. Yahoo Sports reported that at the recent ACC spring meetings, Deloitte officials shared that 70 percent of past deals from NIL collectives would be denied under the new clearinghouse.

But in candid conversations, coaches and recruiting staffers have serious doubts that athletes will declare those deals, or do so accurately. Some have suggested that players are being encouraged not to declare deals at all, but to simply take the money and keep quiet rather than risk the clearinghouse flagging it. And if that’s the case, where do we suspect that money might be coming from? “I guess it would just be the same as the way things used to work,” lamented the athletic director, frustrated by those already angling to undermine the settlement. “We’d be right back where we started.”

History suggests that power-thirsty boosters paying athletes under the table is a tough thing to police — particularly after collectives spent the past few years streamlining the art of bag dropping. Now, instead of an envelope of cash in a player’s locker, it’s a direct deposit into their bank account. (The IRS might complicate that process under the House settlement, but that’s what payment apps are for.) “If some donor wants to wire a player $25,000 a month, who’s keeping track of that?” one power conference administrator said. Money wires aside, the system of boosters paying players is much more sophisticated and far less frowned upon, and it’s going to be impossible to put that infrastructure back into the tube.

If boosters had millions of dollars to pay collectives to money whip recruits with we would have seen other programs doing what they are doing now for the last couple years. There is another source of money being tapped now that the house settlement is in effect for schools to all of a sudden start offering 2x what Texas is.

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It's based on facts and data not emotion which you seem to struggle with.

You're also acting like LSU stands to keep all of these guys that they currently have committed.  Michigan and Texas both buttfucked their class last year.  

You're such a gaping vagina...

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The NFL must sign players for more than a few years to get them. They pay for time beyond the athlete's prime to secure part of their prime career. Therefore, their salary pool will necessarily be invested in guys who must only be capable of standing around the bench.

College players cycle quickly. Ewers' portion of a limited salary pool becomes free immediately. That seems to be a profound difference from the NFL.

It's my understanding from those in the know around here that Texas worked to establish a sustainable level of funds. Rather than believing we burn out and see decline, isn't it more apt to see the level of talent and potential talent assembled at any given time will be typical? The only thing that changes are the names.

Further, I don't know shit about any of this. Maybe my premises above are incorrect.

I'll add that recruiting nerds, such as all who post here, can't change their focus from the immediate and the minute. The program, to me, seems to be in a good place with every reason to believe that's where it will remain.

There's my airplane. Shoot it down. I'll at least learn something.

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6 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Bobby said this morning on Coffee and Football that Guervil went to Florida for seven figures.

That's insane, but good for him.

I would imagine giving Guervil or any of these recruits that kind of money would blow up the budget for our current roster (i.e. pay comparable amounts to current players). I would guess probably cause it to double, which is absolutely unstable.

These poor football programs throwing around huge dollars because of the new rev share cap and their current roster is cheap will have a hard reckoning in a year or two.

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21 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

It's based on facts and data not emotion which you seem to struggle with.

You're also acting like LSU stands to keep all of these guys that they currently have committed.  Michigan and Texas both buttfucked their class last year.  

You're such a gaping vagina...

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38 minutes ago, satyanash said:

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6414771/2025/06/10/nil-house-settlement-paying-athletes-deals-ncaa/

The new enforcement terms under the House settlement instruct college athletes to declare any third-party NIL deals worth at least $600 into a clearinghouse database. The idea is that the clearinghouse, dubbed “NIL Go” and managed by the accounting firm Deloitte, will serve as a restrictor plate on NIL collectives and pay-for-play, flagging deals that do not reflect a valid business purpose or fall within a reasonable range of compensation. Yahoo Sports reported that at the recent ACC spring meetings, Deloitte officials shared that 70 percent of past deals from NIL collectives would be denied under the new clearinghouse.

But in candid conversations, coaches and recruiting staffers have serious doubts that athletes will declare those deals, or do so accurately. Some have suggested that players are being encouraged not to declare deals at all, but to simply take the money and keep quiet rather than risk the clearinghouse flagging it. And if that’s the case, where do we suspect that money might be coming from? “I guess it would just be the same as the way things used to work,” lamented the athletic director, frustrated by those already angling to undermine the settlement. “We’d be right back where we started.”

History suggests that power-thirsty boosters paying athletes under the table is a tough thing to police — particularly after collectives spent the past few years streamlining the art of bag dropping. Now, instead of an envelope of cash in a player’s locker, it’s a direct deposit into their bank account. (The IRS might complicate that process under the House settlement, but that’s what payment apps are for.) “If some donor wants to wire a player $25,000 a month, who’s keeping track of that?” one power conference administrator said. Money wires aside, the system of boosters paying players is much more sophisticated and far less frowned upon, and it’s going to be impossible to put that infrastructure back into the tube.

I know this is a website for Texas fans, and specifically we're on a thread dedicated to Texas football recruiting, and we're supposed to be rooting for only what's best for Texas football and yadda, yadda, yadda. But one thing that really fucking pisses me off is that it seems like everyone, from the ADs, to the conferences, to the NCAA, to apparently even the federal government is absolutely bound and determined to prevent college football players from receiving what the free market determines that they're worth.

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10 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Bobby said this morning on Coffee and Football that Guervil went to Florida for seven figures.

I assume that stuff like this isn't just idle chatter to make Bobby's subscribers feel better, but is coming from the AD and has a purpose. When Kirby et al have their guys parroting that Texas offered more $$$, this is the return fire. The DTs currently on Florida's roster aren't stupid, they can read.

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