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Yeah, now do the part where you explain to Middle America the difference between a preponderance of the evidence (~51%) versus beyond a reasonable doubt (~97-98%)  

Doesn't matter.  He'll never do time.  The long game is throw all these cases up against him at the same time because Calendars.  He can't juggle all these appearances plus debate and campaign and primary and fundraise and rally.  Plus run his "vast real estate empire."  Cast enough doubt on him to fuck up his nomination effort.  Run him ragged, physically and literally.  Get his supporters to do stupid shit in his name.  Literally corner him so that he does something even more outlandish than he's already done.  And force him to give up one of his children or vice-versa as the twist of the final dagger. 

The play here is to have him drop dead from it all.  

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17 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Cast enough doubt on him to fuck up his nomination effort.

I'm pretty sure that sexually abusing women and children is a plus, not a minus for republicans these days

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2 minutes ago, SamsCorner said:

The Donald used to be good for business.

Absolutely. But fawning would definitely not be the word I used to characterize their coverage.

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:


“Well I still don’t approve of some of his behavior, but I like his policies and it’s still better than a democrat.”

I've always found that asking, "Which policy of his specifically appeals to you?" tends to shut them up, other than a lot of stammering.

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1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

I've always found that asking, "Which policy of his specifically appeals to you?" tends to shut them up, other than a lot of stammering.

That's usually when they hit you with "well politics are just so nasty now and everyone has bad policies"

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18 minutes ago, SamsCorner said:

The Donald used to be good for business.

 

15 minutes ago, G650 said:

Absolutely. But fawning would definitely not be the word I used to characterize their coverage.

The Times, The Daily News, NY Magazine and especially the Post treated him like a lovable rascal/playboy/crazy uncle/Tycoon/crusader for decades. Sometimes they profiled his wealth, sometimes they mocked his gaudy excess, sometimes they cheered, sometimes they exposed him and sometimes they shouted him down, but they always loved him, and he loved them back.
It's a big part of why he's so angry now - he doesn't understand why the press turned on him after years of playing along with his antics.  

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Just now, Bozo_Casanova said:

 

The Times, The Daily News, NY Magazine and especially the Post treated him like a lovable rascal/playboy/crazy uncle/Tycoon/crusader for decades. Sometimes they profiled his wealth, sometimes they mocked his gaudy excess, sometimes they cheered, sometimes they exposed him and sometimes they shouted him down, but they always loved him, and he loved them back.
It's a big part of why he's so angry now - he doesn't understand why the press turned on him after years of playing along with his antics.  

 

I mean, if by fawning you mean point and laugh at, then yeah I guess.

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11 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

 

Oh I'm sure tens of MAGATs will tune in for Pence over Dotard.

 

eta: They will never love you Mikey. In fact, they will hate you no matter what you do. Do the right thing for the sake of the country.

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24 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I've always found that asking, "Which policy of his specifically appeals to you?" tends to shut them up, other than a lot of stammering.

Hasn’t he said something about needing to do something about gun laws and rolling back abortion restrictions recently?

He did take on China but lost in terms of we’re paying higher prices.

Oh he came up with the idea to leverage military aid to Ukraine for made up dirt on his opponents.  Maybe that was Putin’s idea.

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9 minutes ago, G650 said:

 

I mean, if by fawning you mean point and laugh at, then yeah I guess.

For a narcissist attention is attention.

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25 minutes ago, Captainant said:

That's usually when they hit you with "well politics are just so nasty now and everyone has bad policies"

I usually get, "Well, I like that he puts America first" and then I have to point out that "putting America first" is not a policy, but rather a theme/ethos, and ask again for them to name a specific policy they like.

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2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I don’t think this will work the way Pence’s team thinks it will. 

Trump will absolutely take a shit on Pence and Fox and himself tonight.

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Oh Mike; quit getting “hung” up on all the timing and logistics.  Just do your thing as part of God’s plan for you.  
 

i think there’s a concerted effort at play here between certain GOP factions and certain prosecutors to end the Trump regime but still lock up the pieces left behind.  They can go out with a 20-30 year run if they can keep his base active and engaged.  But they can’t have him around anymore and eliminating him and blaming it on the left or deep state is a little too chaotic even for their tastes.  As any fixer will tell you, the most effective removal strategy is the one not requiring direct engagement.  How do you get rid of an obese 78 year old without getting close to him?  

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3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

“Suffered”. Anyone who signed up willingly to work with this criminal deserves what they got. 

No. Fuck this victim-blaming bullshit. I don't like Trump and I don't like anyone stupid enough to actively support him, but keep the blame where it belongs.

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Say what you will but at least "better than a democrat" is an honest answer.  The guy had no policy though.  You ask his acolytes to cite one and they can't.  Because the guy didn't have any.  Yeah, they passed some legislation but it was all McConnell's ideas.  Tax cuts and judicial appointments.  Any other Republican could have done the same thing with less baggage and bullshit.  Gerald Ford's corpse could have gotten that shit passed.  Trump, himself, has zero fucking ideas.  I guess we should be thankful for that.  He liked to talk and be adulated.  But the guy has no fucking ideas or plans.  One day he woke up and was like, "Hey, I like steaks and water.  What about Trump Steaks & Trump Water?"  And he still fucked that up.  
His followers are like "Office Space"
 
"Hey, what would you say your favorite Trump policies are?"
-Oh, I like 'em all about the same, I guess. 
"Oh man!  I am the exact same way!"  
A lot of his supporters like the wall and cruelty to immigrants. That alone is enough for them.
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Yeah but I think even the stupid ones (most) can see from google earth that there really isn’t a wall.  Unless google erased it from satellite imagery.  Oh my god, why can’t I see my F250 in my driveway?  What the duck?

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2 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

Yeah but I think even the stupid ones (most) can see from google earth that there really isn’t a wall.  Unless google erased it from satellite imagery.  Oh my god, why can’t I see my F250 in my driveway?  What the duck?

You mean the invisible stealth wall? 

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12 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

No. Fuck this victim-blaming bullshit. I don't like Trump and I don't like anyone stupid enough to actively support him, but keep the blame where it belongs.

Wat?  First, the hope hicks sexual assault theory is purely that. A theory. Without any evidence or even an accusation. It’s purely surly speculation. Second, I stand by my assertion. If you willingly signed up to work for that criminal, you deserve anything you get. 

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Regarding the wall:  I saw a Pati Jinich show about the Baja/Cali border the other day.  They showed the wall on the coast, and it made me realize how stupid the whole idea is.  (I mean, more stupid than I used to think it was.)

It's a giant iron fence that literally juts out from the beach maybe 100 feet into the ocean.  Then it stops, unguarded.  What, illegal immigrants can't swim a few yards?  Never mind that a decent pair of ladders gets you over the wall anywhere else.  It was just so pathetically futile, yet completely understandable.
 

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The wall was a uniquely Trumpian policy in 2015. That's how he separated himself from Jeb, Rubio, et al. In 2023 immigrant bashing is de rigueur for a GOP candidate.

 

Had to go to my Dad's last weekend to help him re-tarp his koi pond. My brother had to bring up politics and in the middle of what passed for a discussion I asked my (completely batshit lost in the right wing grift-o-sphere) dad this very question when he laid the "'Trump is a little unpolished sometimes but his policies are PERFECT!!!" line. I wanted to know what policy he supported that was specifically and uniquely Trumpian rather than a policy every generic R supports. 

 

His answer?

 

Trump will fire everyone in the FBI and clean up the deep state.

 

My Dad wants a special military squad beholden to Trump with the power to arrest, detain, and kill. Shockingly he's also a big DeSantis supporter.

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22 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wat?  First, the hope hicks sexual assault theory is purely that. A theory. Without any evidence or even an accusation. It’s purely surly speculation. Second, I stand by my assertion. If you willingly signed up to work for that criminal, you deserve anything you get. 

"She was asking to be raped by wearing that outfit." Same bullshit, different words.

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14 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Regarding the wall:  I saw a Pati Jinich show about the Baja/Cali border the other day.  They showed the wall on the coast, and it made me realize how stupid the whole idea is.  (I mean, more stupid than I used to think it was.)

It's a giant iron fence that literally juts out from the beach maybe 100 feet into the ocean.  Then it stops, unguarded.  What, illegal immigrants can't swim a few yards?  Never mind that a decent pair of ladders gets you over the wall anywhere else.  It was just so pathetically futile, yet completely understandable.
 

4 caught after swimming around international border

This was here pre-Dotard, but yes, it’s silly. 
 

Also, here’s part of the Dotard wall at the southern terminus of the Pacific Crest Trail. I hate it. 
 

 

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1 minute ago, Rimbo said:

"She was asking to be raped by wearing that outfit." Same bullshit, different words.

Whatever dude. 

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1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

This was here pre-Dotard, but yes, it’s silly. 

Oh, I understand that, Trump built very little new wall.  It's just stupid.

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1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

No. Fuck this victim-blaming bullshit. I don't like Trump and I don't like anyone stupid enough to actively support him, but keep the blame where it belongs.

Except they're not victims, they're employees.

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46 minutes ago, VivaNaranja said:

The wall was a uniquely Trumpian policy in 2015. That's how he separated himself from Jeb, Rubio, et al. In 2023 immigrant bashing is de rigueur for a GOP candidate.

 

Had to go to my Dad's last weekend to help him re-tarp his koi pond. My brother had to bring up politics and in the middle of what passed for a discussion I asked my (completely batshit lost in the right wing grift-o-sphere) dad this very question when he laid the "'Trump is a little unpolished sometimes but his policies are PERFECT!!!" line. I wanted to know what policy he supported that was specifically and uniquely Trumpian rather than a policy every generic R supports. 

 

His answer?

 

Trump will fire everyone in the FBI and clean up the deep state.

 

My Dad wants a special military squad beholden to Trump with the power to arrest, detain, and kill. Shockingly he's also a big DeSantis supporter.

Your dad is a fascist 

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37 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This was here pre-Dotard, but yes, it’s silly. 
 

Also, here’s part of the Dotard wall at the southern terminus of the Pacific Crest Trail. I hate it. 
 

 

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Whatever dude. 

That awkward moment when you build a wall and realize it's the ideal width to pass an AR-15 from our side to a taped kilo of uncut product from their side.  

It's too swell.  

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Just now, High Plains Drifter said:

probably Michael Rappaport (sp?)

Sounds exactly like him.  I didn't want to say it, because last time I did I was actually referencing one of his own tweets, like the non-observant idiot that I am.

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3 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

The part of the electorate embracing the awful things you accurately list is most homogenously white. White people (men. I'm one of those, too.) have operated with an assumption of their place in a hierarchy of their own creating. A great many of us walk around complacently unaware of the world for Black people and women. The smack in the face of Me Too and BLM indeed woke some of us up to that blind complacency. 

 

Yeah, I should have been more clear on that.  But white Boomers (not all, but many) are a huge part of the problem due to the huge numbers of them out there.  If more thought and acted like you do, we'd be in a better place.  But from my interactions with my own Boomer parents, they have become far less intellectually curious as they have aged, and they are far more likely to trend towards authoritarianism to get what they want.  Social media is a huge part of the problem, too.

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3 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

I'm a Boomer. My friends are mostly Boomers. We seldom (never) talk about holding onto our power or taking it from somebody else. Nobody does. Like people of every age, we don't have much power.

There are plenty of things to resent about Boomers or anybody else, but all the things you name are political and not, in my opinion, delineated by generation.

The part of the electorate embracing the awful things you accurately list is most homogenously white. White people (men. I'm one of those, too.) have operated with an assumption of their place in a hierarchy of their own creating. A great many of us walk around complacently unaware of the world for Black people and women. The smack in the face of Me Too and BLM indeed woke some of us up to that blind complacency. 

I aspire to being labeled woke. I know, at best, I'm awakened to my blindness. What else have I been missing? How do I remedy this? I'm not thinking as a Boomer or even a Dem. Just a suburban white boy grown into late manhood still trying to get a few things right.

Boomers my age got all the breaks. Too late for the draft. Still in the post WWII economic boom where the US had a madly disproportionate share of the world market. The very real threat of  nuclear war diminished when I was still relatively young. I didn't will it or steal it. I was born in what human history will call the best time and place ever for a common person. I'll die before the seas rise much.  Just fucking lucky.

One of the things I do to try to correct the course of the country is only vote for white men when the alternatives are downright bad. I'd mandate that white men take a 20 year break (maybe even a Sabattical) from running everything. I think there'd be less carnage of all types and more cooperation. 

It's the nervous, stupid, angry, insecure among white men that you have to look out for no matter their generation, my friend. 

Written without rancor.

I'm starting to write long again. I better watch that. 

 

100%. Well said. 

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We've had Boomer generation voting for 50 fucking years.  We've had greed for centuries.  Yeah, we had a black president.  And we've had social media/online chat rooms/message boards for 30 fucking years.  We have 25 million straight ticket R voters.  We have 25 million that'll hold their nose and vote top line R if it looks like it's gonna help them out personally but may be inclined to sit it out and go third party if the GOP choice is too dank.

But the fucking grand mystery isn't a fucking mystery.  The other 25 million that they "found."  While other candidates play "turn out the vote" or "Energize the Base" or "appeal to the moderates" or "would be less likely/more likely if John Smith was the candidate" games, the 2014 Drogin playbook and Cambridge Analytics and Steve Bannon did what nobody else though to do, they found millions and millions of disaffected voters who either never voted or hadn't voted in a long time.  And they made them angry and alienated.  And they showed them to their seat at the table and led them to believe that everything they've ever felt was not only normal, but empowering.  Do you think these people understand how the Federalist Society and Mitch McConnell engineering a usurping of the federal circuit courts or tariffs with China?  He gave them validation and a feeling that whatever they were thinking was alright.  They were now "politically engaged."  That's it.  That's the big fucking 'TA-DA'  Running demographic stats and key turnouts in Arizona.  He made stupid people and hate-filled people feel smart and empowered.  That's it.  All there is to it.  Matt Dowd has been trying to unpack it for 7 goddamn years with the smartest statisticians at the University of Chicago and they still come back to the same non-statistical answer...he has about 25 million people that will die for him and nobody can figure the fuck out why...beyond, "He makes them feel special"  

It's not about what year they were born.  It's about where they were born and to whom.  This tub of shit will be soon enough.  We need to start planning for how we deal with the aftermath.  

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We've had Boomer generation voting for 50 fucking years.  We've had greed for centuries.  Yeah, we had a black president.  And we've had social media/online chat rooms/message boards for 30 fucking years.  We have 25 million straight ticket R voters.  We have 25 million that'll hold their nose and vote top line R if it looks like it's gonna help them out personally but may be inclined to sit it out and go third party if the GOP choice is too dank.
But the fucking grand mystery isn't a fucking mystery.  The other 25 million that they "found."  While other candidates play "turn out the vote" or "Energize the Base" or "appeal to the moderates" or "would be less likely/more likely if John Smith was the candidate" games, the 2014 Drogin playbook and Cambridge Analytics and Steve Bannon did what nobody else though to do, they found millions and millions of disaffected voters who either never voted or hadn't voted in a long time.  And they made them angry and alienated.  And they showed them to their seat at the table and led them to believe that everything they've ever felt was not only normal, but empowering.  Do you think these people understand how the Federalist Society and Mitch McConnell engineering a usurping of the federal circuit courts or tariffs with China?  He gave them validation and a feeling that whatever they were thinking was alright.  They were now "politically engaged."  That's it.  That's the big fucking 'TA-DA'  Running demographic stats and key turnouts in Arizona.  He made stupid people and hate-filled people feel smart and empowered.  That's it.  All there is to it.  Matt Dowd has been trying to unpack it for 7 goddamn years with the smartest statisticians at the University of Chicago and they still come back to the same non-statistical answer...he has about 25 million people that will die for him and nobody can figure the fuck out why...beyond, "He makes them feel special"  
It's not about what year they were born.  It's about where they were born and to whom.  This tub of shit will be soon enough.  We need to start planning for how we deal with the aftermath.  

This. They found the worst of America, empowered it, and that genie is never going back in the bottle. And it’s going to kill us all.
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