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That play has gone for big yards several times and never been intercepted or deflected that I can remember but some of you want Sark to drop it b/c it gives you the scaries?

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On 9/24/2025 at 10:28 PM, Thetexashammer said:

You know what we haven't seen this year? The Sark special 180 degree screen pass to the RB. I guess Arch can't throw that one.

I think we have seen it 2X from memory (could be wrong though),  it just doesn't look as fluid with Arch and its not a surprising anyone like in the past.

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We ran it once for sure against SJSU and they blew it up in the backfield. We ran it or something similar against Sam Houston. It looked busted at first but the defenders in the area were too slow to do anything so it actually worked.

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2 hours ago, CurlyDumps said:

We ran it once for sure against SJSU and they blew it up in the backfield. We ran it or something similar against Sam Houston. It looked busted at first but the defenders in the area were too slow to do anything so it actually worked.

It’s been blown up far more times than run successfully

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It’s been blown up far more times than run successfully

Seems like the first couple of times it was a pretty good play, then it’s been shit since. It’s gonna get someone destroyed before sark stops running it.
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18 hours ago, WBT said:

That play has gone for big yards several times and never been intercepted or deflected that I can remember but some of you want Sark to drop it b/c it gives you the scaries?

The last time I remember that play working was against Michigan. It may have been run successfully since then against some cupcake, but I'm pretty sure every time we've run it against teams with a pulse since then it's been blown up. 

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19 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:


Seems like the first couple of times it was a pretty good play, then it’s been shit since. It’s gonna get someone destroyed before sark stops running it.

He runs it to set up an even longer taking play. He called it against Georgia and the double screens were fakes and the WR was wide open…as Quinn was being sacked. Not his fault either that shit takes too long to develop

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41 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

It is sarks fault. He is the fucking play designer. Unless i missed the sarcasm

 

1 hour ago, Zeus said:

He runs it to set up an even longer taking play. He called it against Georgia and the double screens were fakes and the WR was wide open…as Quinn was being sacked. Not his fault either[;] that shit takes too long to develop

 

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I know everyone is over his shit, but Film Guy has a new arch video breaking down SHSU.

His mechanics at the beginning were far worse than I remember live. Although he could be over analyzing Arch at this point since his mechanics are such a clickable topic rn.

He threw plenty of dots right after that flex TD run

 

 

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8 minutes ago, BurgleBro said:

I know everyone is over his shit, but Film Guy has a new arch video breaking down SHSU.

His mechanics at the beginning were far worse than I remember live. Although he could be over analyzing Arch at this point since his mechanics are such a clickable topic rn.

He threw plenty of dots right after that flex TD run

 

 

I rewatched that game last night. He looked great for most of it, but the first drive was some WTF. I had forgotten that watching live had me thinking "Oh god he's Cougar'd himself from Top Gun and we might have to make a switch". But yeah, he turned things around quickly and looked like the same Arch from last season.

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1 hour ago, BurgleBro said:

I know everyone is over his shit, but Film Guy has a new arch video breaking down SHSU.

His mechanics at the beginning were far worse than I remember live. Although he could be over analyzing Arch at this point since his mechanics are such a clickable topic rn.

He threw plenty of dots right after that flex TD run

 

 

might as well add it to the thread

 

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1 hour ago, texasdago said:

Good stuff.  At the 17:05 mark is where he says Arch unlocks.

depressing part was watching Wingo on teh double moves and not being able to win one vs SHSU. 

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1 hour ago, Codaxx said:

depressing part was watching Wingo on teh double moves and not being able to win one vs SHSU. 

I couldn't figure out why Wingo was working a post/corner route against zone. The corner who squatted was just waiting for him bc his responsibility was outside. He had help with the post move. Misread by Wingo?

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10 minutes ago, DFW Horn said:

I couldn't figure out why Wingo was working a post/corner route against zone. The corner who squatted was just waiting for him bc his responsibility was outside. He had help with the post move. Misread by Wingo?

It could just be a scenario where they called a route right into coverage. It happens. I did like this video, I think this guy does a really good job. Nice to see his assessment that Arch snapped out of it and was a different player. I could feel that in the game, I hope he just doesn't have to work into that every game. 

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52 minutes ago, TheRealRonWeaver? said:

I'm not watching all that. 

I'm happy for you, though.

Or sorry that happened.

Yeah, thanks to TexasDago for the watching.  29 minutes is pretty lengthy.

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3 hours ago, Im_smarter_then_you said:

Arch doesn’t soft toss the ball like quinn

He needs to think of himself as the receiver, what velocity could he likely catch at that distance. You can’t lose 30% of your likely receiving  yards because of ball velocity. That is inexcusable. The QB Guru needs to tighten that up. 
 

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It is all mental for Arch.  His mechanics breaking down in live action and him not seeing the wide open receivers is what is frustrating.  That 1st drive he had plenty of wide open WRs for big gains and just decided not to throw it.  IF he can get over this mental hump, we will start putting up big points.  Get him some designed QB runs, roll outs, quick 1 read passes.  Sark needs to start the game in a manner that Arch isn’t thinking.  Just get him playing, once he’s loosened up, put more on his plate.

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15 hours ago, TheRealRonWeaver? said:

I'm not watching all that. 

I'm happy for you, though.

Or sorry that happened.

You should though. He’s pretty much the most entertaining guy with Autism you’ll ever see. 

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33 minutes ago, victory88 said:

Get him some designed QB runs, roll outs

UF has some serious athletes on D. This likely wouldn't work out as well as you think.

Arch is going to have to complete passes from the pocket under pressure. Billy is going to blitz like crazy. I have a feeling this game is going to be so much uglier than many of you have allowed yourselves to think. 

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2 minutes ago, Josef Pwag said:

UF has some serious athletes on D. This likely wouldn't work out as well as you think.

Arch is going to have to complete passes from the pocket under pressure. Billy is going to blitz like crazy. I have a feeling this game is going to be so much uglier than many of you have allowed yourselves to think. 

Yeah, but we've seen previously that Arch doesn't play well until he takes a hit. If that's what it takes to get him going, we should start with a designed QB run or RPO. Fingers crossed he doesn't get his bell rung.

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Haters' guide to the Mannings vs. Florida Gators

Jeremy WillisOct 2, 2025, 07:00 AM ET

Between Archie, Peyton, Eli, and now, Arch, the Mannings have been a part of America's football consciousness for nearly 60 years. Only one of the family's college football rivalries, however, has included a spelling test, years of shade, and has spanned generations.

Within that lore, holding a spot that goes beyond merely an opponent, are the Florida Gators. First as haters-in-chief, then as part of the redemptive end to the family's first college football run, Florida was there.

While Archie Manning never played Florida in three seasons with the Ole Miss Rebels from 1968-70, the Mannings are 2-3 as starters against the Gators. On Saturday, Texas Longhorns QB Arch Manning, with a lot of family history behind him, takes his turn in The Swamp (3:30 ET, ESPN).

It will be the next entry in what was once a salty family vs. school rivalry that featured an all-time hater.

A brief history lesson

The current Cheez-It Citrus Bowl was previously the Capital One Bowl and, before that, just the Florida Citrus Bowl. While the Orlando-based game annually hosted top-10 teams and was where the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets beat the Nebraska Cornhuskers to earn a share of the 1990 national title, it is a tier under the major bowl games. Secondly, this Manning-Florida rivalry began in the era before the BCS, let alone the College Football Playoff and the nascent days of conference championship games. So, one loss could doom a season, or at the least, keep a team from a conference title and a major bowl.

Arch Manning might already know this, but it's important to the lore of this rivalry and will make sense later.

The visor's world

Peyton Manning's recruitment was a big deal. His father's legacy in the SEC combined with Peyton's ability made his college decision one of the biggest recruiting decisions ever in the sport. By the time Peyton landed with the Tennessee Volunteers in 1994, Steve Spurrier was going into his fifth season at his alma mater.

The Gators would win five of the first six SEC championships. That's what Peyton Manning was stepping into. The Tennessee-Florida rivalry would become the SEC's biggest game for much of the 1990s. Between 1990 and 2000, eight of the 11 meetings would be top-10 matchups.

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Steve Spurrier won the SEC title four straight years from 1993-1996. 

Manning wasn't a part of the Vols' 31-0 loss to No. 1 Florida in 1994. In the 1995 game, Manning and the Vols bolted out to a 30-21 halftime lead only to see Florida outscore Tennessee 41-7 in the second half and lose 62-37.

"It's a 60-minute game. They don't stop the game after 30 minutes," Florida tackle Mo Collins said after the game.

The refrain would be played more than "Rocky Top."

Manning was solid in the game, going 23-of-36 for 326 yards and two scores. The problem: Florida's Danny Wuerffel was better. He threw for 381 yards and six touchdowns.

It would be the only game Tennessee would lose that season, but it would keep the Volunteers out of the SEC title game and relegate them to the Citrus Bowl. An amazing Manning performance in an excruciating loss to Florida and a less-than-satisfying bowl trip.

Before the 1996 game, the trash talk went wild.

Florida defensive lineman Tim Beauchamp all but guaranteed victory.

"They look vulnerable, very vulnerable," Beauchamp said before the game. "... It should get pretty ugly."

Beauchamp also took a shot at Manning. "He gets rattled," Beauchamp said.

Archie Manning offered advice to his son ahead of the game, saying "spend the week with a smirk on your face, have some fun," Sports Illustrated reported at the time.

When the game between the No. 4 Gators and No. 2 Volunteers began, that smirk might have turned into a grimace. Florida went for it on fourth down on its first series and scored on a 35-yard touchdown pass. Manning was intercepted on Tennessee's first series. He was intercepted once more in the half and the Gators built a 35-6 lead at the break.

Manning, who attempted 65 passes in the game, would lead a second-half rally. He threw for a school-record 492 yards and four touchdowns but also had two more interceptions, which came at the goal line when Tennessee was threatening to score.

"We would've liked to have been accused of running up the score, but it didn't work out that way," Spurrier said after UF held on for a 35-29 win.

The Gators would go on to win the SEC, go to the Sugar Bowl and win their first national title. Tennessee was off to the Citrus Bowl. Wuerffel, the first of many QB foils for Manning, threw for just 155 yards in the game against Tennessee, but had four touchdowns and, crucially, no interceptions. He would go on to win the Heisman Trophy that season as well.

How do you spell Citrus?

Just a reminder -- the "Head Ball Coach" loved hating on his team's rivals. Spurrier surely meant what he said about running up the score on Tennessee in 1996. In 1994, he called Florida State "Free Shoes U" for allegedly failing to monitor agent activity. He called Ray Goff, who coached the Georgia Bulldogs from 1989-1995 and never beat Spurrier, "Ray Goof."

In 2015, after a fire at Auburn's library destroyed 20 books, Spurrier said "the real tragedy is that 15 hadn't been colored yet."

"He's the needler champion of the world," former FSU coach Bobby Bowden told Mark Schlabach in 2014.

Give him a national title (that came in a rout of rival FSU) and a summer booster tour and he could be in his hating bag like he was when he uttered his most famous barb.

"You can't spell citrus without U-T."

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Peyton Manning had huge performances, especially in his first two games against Florida. 

The brevity. The sass. The deeper, historic context. It was Spurrier's masterpiece of hating on Tennessee.

He also had something for Manning, who had announced he was returning for his senior season, as well.

"I know why Peyton came back for his senior year," Spurrier said. "He wanted to be a three-time star of the Citrus Bowl."

Despite being a No. 3 vs. No. 4 matchup, it wasn't the wild shootout the previous two games had been. Manning was 29-of-51 for 353 yards and three touchdowns, but he also threw two picks. The Gators again shredded the Vols' defense. Fred Taylor ran for 134 yards and Florida QB Doug Johnson threw three touchdowns in the Gators' 33-20 win.

That was it. Manning would never beat Florida. He lost five games as a college starter. Three came to the Gators. Tennessee would go on to win the SEC in 1997 only to be crushed in the Orange Bowl by the Nebraska Cornhuskers. Ironically, due to losses to Georgia and LSU, Florida would land in the Citrus Bowl.

"It bothers me that we never did beat Florida, but hey, I can't control the way other people view Tennessee or view my career," Manning said after the game. "I'm sure Coach Spurrier will go make a few more jokes. That's fine. He's got a good ballclub."

Eli's coming

In the moments after Peyton Manning's last game against Florida, Archie Manning was feeling the weight of watching his son's very public athletic struggles.

''Everybody talks about how great and wonderful it is to be at all the games and see your son playing. But I'll tell you something: It ain't all it's cracked up to be," Archie Manning told The New York Times afterward.

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Manning lost five games in his college career, three to Florida. 

''Sometimes I wish someone would just knock me out and tell me what happened when it was over. This wasn't fun.''

Five years later, in 2002, Peyton Manning was going into his fifth season with the Indianapolis Colts, and Spurrier was about to start his ill-fated tenure as an NFL head coach. After being turned down by then-Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan and then-Oklahoma Sooners coach Bob Stoops, Florida hired Ron Zook, a longtime assistant in college and the NFL, to replace Spurrier.

After choosing the Ole Miss Rebels, his father's school, and becoming the starter as a sophomore in 2001, this is what Eli Manning was stepping into for his first crack at the Gators in 2002.

While the game featured two eventual Heisman Trophy finalists and Super Bowl QBs in Manning and Florida's Rex Grossman, it was not an aerial bonanza like those in which Peyton played.

Manning was 18-of-33 for 154 yards and no touchdowns, and Grossman was 19-of-44 with two touchdowns and four interceptions. One of those picks was returned for the winning touchdown.

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Eli Manning was 2-0 against the Gators. 

The 2003 game allowed Manning to exact a bit of vengeance on his family's nemesis. It would also mean a return to The Swamp for the Mannings. Following Peyton's last game there, Archie Manning claimed he'd never go back. But he was there nonetheless.

"[Archie] had one last trip and he got to end it on a good one," Eli Manning said after the game.

In the 20-17 Ole Miss win, Manning threw for 262 yards and led a 50-yard scoring drive to win the game. The lore of the family history and status of the Gators was, perhaps, not lost on Eli Manning who got a shot on Florida afterward.

"That team is beatable," he said after the game. "They're really not the team they were a couple of years ago when they had [Danny] Wuerffel and all of those other guys."

That Manning ended 2-0 against Florida.

Next Manning up

Prior to the 2025 season, when Arch Manning was the preseason favorite for the Heisman, Spurrier found a little more hating in his heart.

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Arch Manning struggled in his first road start of the season. 

"They've got Arch Manning already winning the Heisman," Spurrier said on the "Another Dooley Noted" podcast. "My question is, if he was this good, how come they let Quinn Ewers play all the time last year? And [Ewers] was a seventh-round pick."

Spurrier might have been right. Prior to putting up huge numbers against Sam Houston State, Manning was 124th out of 136 QBs with a 55.3% completion rate and struggled in his only other road start at Ohio State. On the other side, Florida is 1-3 after starting the season ranked No. 15 in the AP, and head coach Billy Napier is on the hot seat.

Saturday will mark 22 years to the day since a Manning played the Gators. While Arch Manning has not yet met the preseason hype, he will have his chance to continue the family winning streak and another rancorous chapter to the rivalry.

 

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16 hours ago, TheRealRonWeaver? said:

I'm not watching all that. 

I'm happy for you, though.

Or sorry that happened.

Tldr first Q the same very very bad mechanics, bailed out by Moore and Wingo great catches, after he ran the mean mug TD he started to throw dots with better posture, however he continues to be the anti Quinn by rocket arming a pass for no reason, leading him to twist and lean leftwards, leading to balls going down and outside too often. 

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7 minutes ago, BurgleBro said:

Tldr first Q the same very very bad mechanics, bailed out by Moore and Wingo great catches, after he ran the mean mug TD he started to throw dots with better posture, however he continues to be the anti Quinn by rocket arming a pass for no reason, leading him to twist and lean leftwards, leading to balls going down and outside too often. 

LOL... talk about putting a negative spin on the video.  He starts talking about how great he can be and that he would almost recommend letting him get hit early so it wakes him and then he balls out.  He does a really good even keeled job of analyzing him and, again, at that 17 minute-ish mark he starts really digging into Arch's skills.   His point is a good one - let him run around, let him be an athlete and let him loose and that is when he is at his best.  Sound familiar?  Let Vince be Vince.

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On 9/26/2025 at 1:15 PM, CurlyDumps said:

We ran it once for sure against SJSU and they blew it up in the backfield. We ran it or something similar against Sam Houston. It looked busted at first but the defenders in the area were too slow to do anything so it actually worked.

We got lucky in Sam Houston game as OL was too slow trying to block defender and damn near blocked him in back as the OL was falling down like a puddle of Play Dough

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15 minutes ago, texasdago said:

LOL... talk about putting a negative spin on the video.  He starts talking about how great he can be and that he would almost recommend letting him get hit early so it wakes him and then he balls out.  He does a really good even keeled job of analyzing him and, again, at that 17 minute-ish mark he starts really digging into Arch's skills.   His point is a good one - let him run around, let him be an athlete and let him loose and that is when he is at his best.  Sound familiar?  Let Vince be Vince.

One of the things that frustrates me about Sark is idk how someone that witnessed what happened first hand that night in Pasadena can still be so stubborn about a quarterback running. I'm not saying we have to go full mensa, but when you have a guy that can move you have to consider that a valuable weapon in your arsenal. 

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On 9/27/2025 at 11:51 AM, Jkwellborn said:

Most of Sarks cute shit only gets ran   against bad teams. And it still scares the shit out of you when he calls it.


You are not good at grammar.

”Most of Sarks cute shit only gets run   against bad teams.”

Try not to use “ran” unless there are no words between the subject and the verb, because you don’t know what you are doing.

Thanks,

Native English Speakers


 

20 hours ago, Codaxx said:

might as well add it to the thread

 

 

19 hours ago, texasdago said:

Good stuff.  At the 17:05 mark is where he says Arch unlocks.


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32 minutes ago, BurgleBro said:

Tldr first Q the same very very bad mechanics, bailed out by Moore and Wingo great catches, after he ran the mean mug TD he started to throw dots with better posture, however he continues to be the anti Quinn by rocket arming a pass for no reason, leading him to twist and lean leftwards, leading to balls going down and outside too often. 

The play that I think opened it up for Arch was the 6 man pressure where Arch stood in there, took a shot, and delivered it to Wingo. That is something Texas has not seen in a long time and shows Arch can be a NFL QB. He did it twice in that game (TD throw was another one). I do wonder if he has a bit of Elhinger in him, Sam was usually rough until he took a hit. 

I did laugh at the "he is going to miss low and away"... See!! Oh wait, WR has to catch that ball.. 

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16 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Yeah, thanks to TexasDago for the watching.  29 minutes is pretty lengthy.

It is, but I really like how the film guy breaks down small details that non-football obsessed people would never realize.  Not only with QBs, but stuff like Gibson finding a gap using his vision instead of following his blocker on the TD run.  And in the Ohio State breakdown, how Caleb Downs is an absolute freak that could be playing in the NFL right now.

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22 hours ago, BurgleBro said:

I know everyone is over his shit, but Film Guy has a new arch video breaking down SHSU.

His mechanics at the beginning were far worse than I remember live. Although he could be over analyzing Arch at this point since his mechanics are such a clickable topic rn.

He threw plenty of dots right after that flex TD run

 

 

Yeah I watched the replay, not live, after seeing his stats the way this board was...and I was not seeing a much different guy the first drive or so.

After the Flexing TD is when he woke up though.

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

It is, but I really like how the film guy breaks down small details that non-football obsessed people would never realize.  Not only with QBs, but stuff like Gibson finding a gap using his vision instead of following his blocker on the TD run.  And in the Ohio State breakdown, how Caleb Downs is an absolute freak that could be playing in the NFL right now.

He's wrong about this, though.  In power/counter schemes RBs aren't taught to follow the lead blocker.  You ride the butt of whichever OL is next to the targeted gap.

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Y'all saying you don't have time.  I get it.  Ignore the first 17 minutes and watch 12 here and there.  Its good stuff.  Gives you hope.  In the end he is clear that he thinks there is hope. 

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2 hours ago, Soliver465 said:

I miss Hating Ass Spurrier.

 

The pre game show for OTF will be at Spurrier's bar. I will absolutely lose if if Spurrier comes on the show and says "CAN'T SPELL CITRUS WITHOUT UT!!"

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2 hours ago, Napoleon said:


You are not good at grammar.

”Most of Sarks cute shit only gets run   against bad teams.”

Try not to use “ran” unless there are no words between the subject and the verb, because you don’t know what you are doing.

Thanks,

Native English Speakers

 

 

 

WHOA! Check out grammar guy with an incorrect comma before a dependent clause that follows the independent clause!

 

 

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