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Just now, A’Dam Psycho said:

Matthew Caldwell best season he had 13 TDS and 8 INTs 

Arch had 13 TDs in 4 games 

 

Caldwell is not better than Arch and people saying he should start are certified morons

It's a tad bit more complicated than that.

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2 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Is it too much to ask to have a QB that can execute a simple forward pass?

When the OLine can’t block anyone, it speeds the QB up. Arch looks like he’s rushing things. Arch won’t improve until the Oline improves. That’s probably not happening this season. It’s really that simple

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So say we go 7-5, and Arch shows no improvement over the next 5 games and bowl game. Are we actually going to run him out there again next year when the portal is available?  What are the mechanics for “cutting” him from the roster?  Are we stuck with him because of some NIL deal?  

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Arch was set up to fail.  Sark preemptively abandoned the running game for this one.  You could tell on the first drive.  We had a couple of solid runs throughout the game, but every single time we moved on to throwing it several times in a row.  I don't have the box score or play by play in front of me, but I would be surprised if we called consecutive running plays more than once or twice last night.  On the road.  In a close game.  And seemingly half of the running plays we did call were Arch keepers that my dead grandmother saw coming.  

There's a path to this being a winning team a la 2007 LSU, with a salty defense and an offense that keeps things afloat just enough to get by.  But week in and week out, Sark looks at that path and goes off-road instead.  It's like he has no idea what this team is and what it's capable of.  He continually makes decisions as if he has a functioning offensive line and a QB capable of elevating his teammates like Joe Montana, making correct decisions on every play and marching down the field with precision.  Then when that doesn't happen, our defense has to play heroically to keep us in games until special teams gives us good field position or the offense stumblefucks its way into a big play.

The Oklahoma game should have been our signpost for the rest of the season.  Quick reads, a reliance on ball control and the running game, and complementary football.  Instead we apparently ignored its lessons.  Unless Sark fundamentally changes his understanding of the team he has and adjusts accordingly, the rest of our games will look like last night instead.

Fuck.

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Posted
6 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

When the OLine can’t block anyone, it speeds the QB up. Arch looks like he’s rushing things. Arch won’t improve until the Oline improves. That’s probably not happening this season. It’s really that simple



Despite video evidence that shows Arch standing in a clean pocket missing wide open receivers? It’s too simple to reduce all of his struggles to the line. 

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@Thatguy

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Find a use for Niblet who is great with the ball in his hands. Quit trying to force fucking Wingo to be the dude when 13 is better than him. 

Niblet is fucking fearless and deadly. Is there any rational reason for him not playing receiver?

I know Wingo and Arch have this magical chemistry. The way Arch throws gives the ball a positive magnetic charge. Wingo gives off positive magnetic charge. Results: Chemistry!

I'll also repeat something else from earlier in the season. The team having to emotionally lift Arch instead of him doing that for the team is very bad mojo and needs to stop. Emotional fragility breeds emotional fragility.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Thatguy said:

I dont mean he doesn't know the plays at all. He can call the plays. I mean he doesn't know them so well that he can see them in his head during the game. He is calling the play and then walking to the line and seeing blank. He doesn't see a defensive player moving and say to himself "that means x or y is open". He cant recall what x or y was supposed to do until he sees them do it. 

All reactionary nothing anticipatory. Your point about the accuracy on broken plays and deep balls is well made and accurate.

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21 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I'm sorry you can't look a little deeper into it. 

Arch is a part of the problem. But he would have to be elite for this offense to be functional and consistent. There is so much failure and lack of execution all over the offensive side of the ball, and two things can be true at once. 

 

Elite is hitting Wingo and Endries running wide open? This offense just needs him to execute what the defense gives him. Theres nothing Arch can do when the pocket breaks down in under a second or Sark not even trying to establish the run game. That type of stuff is out of his control and needs to be fixed. But it’s also dumb to think that we need Arch to constantly be elite in the passing game, like the one throw to Livingstone in the OU game. 

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15 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

So say we go 7-5, and Arch shows no improvement over the next 5 games and bowl game. Are we actually going to run him out there again next year when the portal is available?  What are the mechanics for “cutting” him from the roster?  Are we stuck with him because of some NIL deal?  

Are you familiar with stubborn Steve?  Yes.  Yes, we will.  

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Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

Pretty much any of them that can hit a wide open receiver consistently 

Which quarterbacks have you seen that can do that? The opinion that the backups could be better is based on zero actual plays and fully on emotion 

Posted
Just now, hobbes2702 said:

Which quarterbacks have you seen that can do that? The opinion that the backups could be better is based on zero actual plays and fully on emotion 

Or we just have 6 games worth of film on one being so dog shit he can’t hit open revivers we’re just tired of seeing it but hey maybe next week he will finally turn the page and if not this year there is always next year!

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59 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

This offense is just full of JAGs. Arch looked a million times better last year with a solid Oline, elite WRs, and an actual TE. It’s not like the guy just decided to suck. He has nothing to work with.

He is not throwing to WRa wide motherfucking open and when he does he has the aim of a blind, drink man.  The OL is trash but the issues rig JB this team start and end with QB1. And ours is one of the worst in college football right now 

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12 hours ago, Jkwellborn said:


Endries should only be on the field when it’s a pass, because he blocked as many people as I did tonight.

So you blocked either a buddy/or the wife from the liquor cabinet that they were trying to keep you from? 1 person? 

I saw literally one block he had, and it was a chip block, not even a man block. 

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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

Which quarterbacks have you seen that can do that? The opinion that the backups could be better is based on zero actual plays and fully on emotion 

No. It is based upon the fact that there are literally dozens of highschool QBs that would be better than Arch right now. We would have to completely miss every QB eval to end up with one of them not being better than Arch. It is frustrating because clearly Arch has the talent to make big time NFL throws, and he does it fairly regularly. But he combines that with inability to make any basic throws or reads. He just isn't playable when it is like this. Arch may one day be a good QB. He just isn't capable right now. I hope at some point it clicks for him. But year 3, and 7 games into the season, Im just not seeing a growth trajectory. We are right back to UTEP level of play from him. How do you not see this? 

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Posted
10 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Which quarterbacks have you seen that can do that? The opinion that the backups could be better is based on zero actual plays and fully on emotion 

Every single QB we have faced, except possibly Sam Houston's, would be better than Arch in our offense. It sucks, but it is true. He is just wildly inconsistent. When he plays like UTEP or Kentucky Arch, we simply have no chance to function on offense. 

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

It feels like the two seasons should be reversed. Like he's not only regressed, but it's like watching a first or second year QB vs an upperclassman. 

He wasn't the guy last year. He was QB2 on a playoff team. Sure, he started a few games and did well, but they were not really competitive. 

 

51 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

lol dude can’t hit open receivers or see open receivers and people still want blame other shit 

It grows bizarre. 

31 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

Matthew Caldwell best season he had 13 TDS and 8 INTs 

Arch had 13 TDs in 4 games 

 

Caldwell is not better than Arch and people saying he should start are certified morons

1. When your eyes don't see what you want them to, switch to statistics. 

2. You cannot know that Caldwell is not better if he never plays. Your post reads as though you're fearful that Caldwell will actually play better and crush your Arch fantasy.

3. People are saying give him a chance. Starting him might actually decompress Arch. Giving Arch a quarter before trying Caldwell wouldn't be anything other than fair to do.

4. How does one obtain moron certification? Is it the same place they certify having no sense of irony?

 

4 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Which quarterbacks have you seen that can do that? The opinion that the backups could be better is based on zero actual plays and fully on emotion 

Perfect circle.

You can't play the backup because he's played zero actual plays (inaccurate, btw)

So, there is no evidence he is better

So, you can't put him in the game when the starter fails miserably.

Therefore:

You can't play Caldwell because you haven't played Caldwell. You're just being emotional if you disagree.

That Catch 22; it's a hell of a catch.

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40 minutes ago, cabowabo said:

So say we go 7-5, and Arch shows no improvement over the next 5 games and bowl game. Are we actually going to run him out there again next year when the portal is available?  What are the mechanics for “cutting” him from the roster?  Are we stuck with him because of some NIL deal?  

Respectfully, who gives a shit about his NIL. Isn’t it exclusively corporate money anyway? Sark’s job is the put together a roster that gives us the best chance to win. Arch doesn’t fit into that equation, unfortunately. If we don’t go out and get a very good, veteran QB from the portal then I will consider this a failure of roster management. The Franklin firing should be a huge wake-up call for Sark. 

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No. It is based upon the fact that there are literally dozens of highschool QBs that would be better than Arch right now. We would have to completely miss every QB eval to end up with one of them not being better than Arch. It is frustrating because clearly Arch has the talent to make big time NFL throws, and he does it fairly regularly. But he combines that with inability to make any basic throws or reads. He just isn't playable when it is like this. Arch may one day be a good QB. He just isn't capable right now. I hope at some point it clicks for him. But year 3, and 7 games into the season, Im just not seeing a growth trajectory. We are right back to UTEP level of play from him. How do you not see this? 

I’ve seen Caldwell throw one pass this season and it was a fucking rope. If Arch continues to struggle, fucking pull him.
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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, gurt said:

So your position is that it is more important to preserve the very slim odds of the idealized scenario working out next year over trying to win games now?

no, i made my position very clear, and you’ve gone and moved the goalposts over to the next town and invented an argument that i never made.

you: “there’s literally no downside to benching arch.”

me: “of course there’s potential downside.”

you: “oh so you think we just have to sacrifice this entire season just in case arch eventually gets good”?

straw man.

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We need a poll, but I'm too much of a pussy to start one. 

Does Sark die on the hill of Arch? I mean long term, not just this season. I say yes.

Our problems are myriad, but the development and decisions around Arch are emblematic of our program-wide issues. Saban famously benched Hurts in the title game; Sark wouldn't even think about something like that.  He's going down with the ship IMO.  

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52 minutes ago, Darth Tron said:

Arch was set up to fail.  Sark preemptively abandoned the running game for this one.  You could tell on the first drive. 

this is all i was posting in the game thread last night. terrible game plan. tre wisner is our mvp vs OU and we just forget he exists for the first half, and then when we do run the ball, half the time it’s those patented 2nd and 10 runs between the tackles for one yard. our o line can’t protect arch and yet all we were doing was passing and staying in 3rd and long. it was asinine.

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2 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

We need a poll, but I'm too much of a pussy to start one. 

Does Sark die on the hill of Arch? I mean long term, not just this season. I say yes.

Our problems are myriad, but the development and decisions around Arch are emblematic of our program-wide issues. Saban famously benched Hurts in the title game; Sark wouldn't even think about something like that.  He's going down with the ship IMO.  

I've said it before and I'll say it again. 

If benching arch breaks him then he's too soft to be the man. 

Bench him if he's sucking , maybe we get surprised with Caldwell . 

Maybe if forces Arch to get his head out of his ass 

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Posted
1 minute ago, bschoolprof said:

We need a poll, but I'm too much of a pussy to start one. 

Does Sark die on the hill of Arch? I say yes.

Our problems are myriad, but the development and decisions around Arch are emblematic of our program-wide issues. Saban famously benched Hurts in the title game; Sark wouldn't even think about something like that.  He's going down with the ship IMO.  

Well, part of the problem I see here is yeah Saban benched Hurts -- for Tua -- and Milroe for Buchner, who was next up in their pipeline, ahead of current QB Ty Simpson.

Not for a guy that was specifically brought in because the next guys in the pipeline were a JAG and a true frosh.

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he can't pull Arch and have Arch transfer.  He knows he's fucked.

He could pull Quinn last year because Arch was starting next year anyway.

Kyle Flood must be laughing his ass off right now.

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13 hours ago, tequila said:

What’s the worst completion percentage all time at UT? I’ve googled, but have differing results?

I'd bet he's closer to the highest than he is to the loweest.

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8 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

he can't pull Arch and have Arch transfer.  He knows he's fucked.

He could pull Quinn last year because Arch was starting next year anyway.

Kyle Flood must be laughing his ass off right now.

who gives a shit if Arch transfers?  That solves half the problem.  

I agree though he won't pull him and he will start next year.  Hello darkness our old friend.  

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Man, if I’m being fair, I just don’t know.  What I do know is the coaching staff is paid handsomely to ‘know’.  My gut says you have to swallow the disgusting pill that Arch isn’t ready, but “could” improve……just that it may not be this season if ever.  Is it relative to the performance of the offensive line & possibly WRs?…..yes.  Is there more to it than that?…..yes.   

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Posted
8 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

who gives a shit if Arch transfers?  That solves half the problem.  

I agree though he won't pull him and he will start next year.  Hello darkness our old friend.  

If Arch ends up being good to very good after the transfer shit gets real ugly for Sark because his OL coach is still shit.

Posted
12 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Most deserved blame for offensive woes this season, in order: 

1. Sark - the sum of the whole 

2. Offensive Line/Flood - go check out my post on our recruiting under this loser

3. Arch - throws a weird ball, it's not even a spiral, it's wobbly, and it either is too high, too low, and on a rare occasion medium to level. His footwork can only be described as Keizer Soze/Verbal Kint before the ending. Again, this is a theme with Sarkisian, not an outlier. 

4. Scott/RB - We have one RB who's a tough mf'er, tries to churn out yac but has no help, or little help. He can't be blamed. We need at the very minimum two capable RBs to give each other a reprieve. We've seen no one step up to help out Wisner, and Sark/Scott only give [name other RB] 3 carries. It's a theme, not an outlier. Simon got nary a single carry. Neither did Terry. This position is not only a shit show, it's negligence at the highest level. 

5. WRs/Jackson - Wingo is good, but hardly "great". Maybe solid if he learns what a JUGS machine is. Outside of the o-line, he's the worst blocker on the team. Moore is not great, but he blocks and he's better than Wingo. Yes, he did something retarded yesterday, but I can forgive him for that. Livingstone had barely any chance with what he was given, and he caught nothing. Moore was our leading WR with 3 catches for 37 yards. Why do we even have Moseley? 

6. TE/Banks - Banks is negligent in both ST and TE. Endries is a good player, but gets hardly anything, and when he does, the ball is being thrown to those lucky few who bought tickets in the upper deck for a free ball. Washington is good, but again, barely anything. Spencer Shannon is in the morgue with Baxter. We haven't even tried with Townsend, who's a freak athlete. Winston looked good early on, and then...he's just on the sidelines. 

 

Only an elite, veteran QB could overcome our issues, assuming they could survive a game behind this line. - I do think Caldwell is better at this stage, he throws a beautiful ball, is calm, gets the ball out quick, he's accurate, and he's fast as fuck when running. But Sark would and will never pull Arch unless he's hurt. Sark puts a name and feelings ahead of winning and the teams needs. That's not a good HC, that's stupidity wrapped in queef. 

There was one Arch run where Endries had two guys he could have blocked and chose neither. - went back and watched some highlights they had on YouTube and Endries is far below the issue regarding blocking. We have an entire team who is either too scared to block, doesn't know their assignment, or they're confused with with who is around them. 

 

I've added some of the woes. Sark is a terrible HC. I don't want to hear the back to back bullshit. If he knew how to coach, and learned anything from Saban, he would have more than 5 plays, attempted to get Terry involved in the RB, even as a blocker if nothing else, but really just simple down the plays and allow him to punish their front 4-5. Where is Winston and why are we not even trying to use Townsend, even as a short yardage back? He's a fucking freak athlete. Sark is going to get Wisner killed or injured and we're only on game 6, which he finally broke the 200+ yard mark for rushing. Yay? He gave Clark 3 whole carries, and he was averaging 4.5 ypc, then pulled him. He's a fucking simp. The most pathetic, scared, easiest HC to scheme against. He does not make QBs better, he makes them worse. He hired his buddies and now we have exactly what you get when you hire your buddies - an O-line that could get dominated by Duncanville, but a recruiter in Banks who doesn't know how to use the TE's he's recruited. His ST are absolute parvo. I give him zero credit for Niblett. Niblett gets the credit for himself. 

Our defense needs a lot of work in pass pro. Like, a lot. Only consistency is Taaffe (10 fucking tackles. Holy shit), Jelani Mcdonald (9 tackles), Muhammad (6 tackles), Littleton, and D. Williams finally back since ou seem to be the only consistent players in the secondary who knew where to be last night. And no, I'm not even remotely close to giving up on Littleton. He had an above average game for the second time this year, but has been consistently consistent overall this season (2 INT's as a frosh). People knee-jerked on him, and he had 4 tackles. Don't let the numbers fool you (6 tackles) last night and (5) against Florida, Gilbeau is Asswater. Our DL/DE/LB are absolutely elite (Ant with 12 fucking tackles. Holy fuck!). Zero question. I have no idea why they barely played Spence. It's as much of a mystery as why Helobious was cheering on Gonzalez for Kentucky. We have a Garza and a Cruz on our team. They finally allowed Simmons to let loose, which resulted in 4 tackles with 3 sacks (7 for the season), and while he needs to learn a swim move, he's learning as he goes. Sellers, I don't know. He seems like he sucks. Baker is getting it, but he still has work to do. 

If we win more than 8 games this season, it's because of the defense. 

Also, welcome back, Derek Williams! 

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Posted
1 hour ago, cabowabo said:

So say we go 7-5, and Arch shows no improvement over the next 5 games and bowl game. Are we actually going to run him out there again next year when the portal is available?  What are the mechanics for “cutting” him from the roster?  Are we stuck with him because of some NIL deal?  

Letting another team develop a QB then portaling them in as a senior is the way to go in CFB.  Period. 

Its such a cheat code we've seen teams use for years and the results speak for themselves

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Crazy to think of what his corporate NIL value is dropping to. Just can’t see these big brands: Vuori/Warby eg queued up to pay him once they can get out of their contracts. 

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Respectfully, who gives a shit about his NIL. Isn’t it exclusively corporate money anyway? Sark’s job is the put together a roster that gives us the best chance to win. Arch doesn’t fit into that equation, unfortunately. If we don’t go out and get a very good, veteran QB from the portal then I will consider this a failure of roster management. The Franklin firing should be a huge wake-up call for Sark. 

That dude went from a #2 ranking to fired in 15 days.
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I don’t see Sark changing QB without an injury or multiple TO game.
 

Arch seems to be more accurate throwing on the move. Did he run any spread option in high school? Seems like they could cobble some shit together that would work better than the shit we are putting out there now. 

Posted
5 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

He navigates the pocket really well. I don't know why he cant use that to convert the easy passes to wide open receivers. 

He did that pretty well against ou.  2 steps forward 3 steps back.

Posted
2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Or we just have 6 games worth of film on one being so dog shit he can’t hit open revivers we’re just tired of seeing it but hey maybe next week he will finally turn the page and if not this year there is always next year!

Yeah the guy who had 13 tds & 8 INTs last season is better

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