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15 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Is there a way to make his posts only visible to him, so he thinks he's still contributing? Maybe throw in a few ghost negs, so he doesn't get suspicious? It's literally the only way that we're ever going to get rid of him. 

At least PRONG HORN had the decency to disappear into the ether immediately following the election, after doing his part to spread blatant and unchecked propaganda and disinformation for years.

Yes, it's called a shadow ban. I'm sure it's been proposed before. 

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Just now, Hank Kingsley said:

"Video release date: June 16, 2025"

LOL 

 

 

Yes, his Patreon members get them a week earlier. I'm sure he'll have an update after the bombings, though our mentioned oil independence won't have changed.

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I am just fucking mystified as to why some of you continue to fuck up thread after thread by engaging with the most clueless poster on the entire board instead of putting him on ignore.  Just waves and waves of ignorance crashing on the shore...

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Posted
2 hours ago, Keyah said:

 

It’s 2025, not 1987.  They have drones that can cover the entire Strait.  Oil tankers are massive, slow, and unwieldy and make fantastic targets, Iran doesn’t have to occupy islands if they can hit every tanker going through.  Ukraine out front should have told you that.

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1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

I am just fucking mystified as to why some of you continue to fuck up thread after thread by engaging with the most clueless poster on the entire board instead of putting him on ignore.  Just waves and waves of ignorance crashing on the shore...

It’s the off-season?

Meanwhile, Iran has been hitting Israel a bit, if you want to see a pants-shitting dash cam video.

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Posted
9 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I am just fucking mystified as to why some of you continue to fuck up thread after thread by engaging with the most clueless poster on the entire board instead of putting him on ignore.  Just waves and waves of ignorance crashing on the shore...

help us out here

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Posted
24 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I am just fucking mystified as to why some of you continue to fuck up thread after thread by engaging with the most clueless poster on the entire board instead of putting him on ignore.  Just waves and waves of ignorance crashing on the shore...

I'm honestly not sure who you're talking about.

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Posted
29 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

It’s 2025, not 1987.  They have drones that can cover the entire Strait.  Oil tankers are massive, slow, and unwieldy and make fantastic targets, Iran doesn’t have to occupy islands if they can hit every tanker going through.  Ukraine out front should have told you that.

No matter the year, Oman and the GCC are relevant. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Captainant said:

Asserting that the Arab Spring was purely a western manufactured movement is tipping your hand just a little too much, tovarich.

Isn't GRUhorn persona non grata on surly? Why does he stick around ban after ban?

The appeal to authority, right on time. 

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Who is drumpf's sole advisor? Conspiracy theories aren't necessary. It's the idiot box he watches all day tuned to a specific propaganda channel. 

Don't make this any more stupid than it is already.

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On 6/20/2025 at 3:47 PM, BurntEyes said:

Not as of 5 years ago per the research below and not based on my Taiwanese national friends and his medical doctor wife who left Taiwan to come to the US based on concerns regarding China. Or... the rest of his family who now lives in the US.

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Link

Or this one from 3 months ago 

CFR article

Or this one from the BBC 6 months ago

BBC Article

Or this one from Reuters:

Taiwan president pledges peace with China but says island must strengthen defences - https://www.reuters.com/world/china/anniversary-taking-office-taiwan-president-reiterates-willingness-talk-china-2025-05-20/

I could go on. 

And if you think there are no dialect differences between Chinese Mandarin and Taiwanese Mandarin, I'm sure you think people in Boston speak like people in Kentucky. That's before dismissing all the other dialects found in China. But you're right, officially they speak the same language.

This fucking place. 

No argument there ^^^ but did you forget you were talking about the cultural divide? 

Standard Chinese is the official language of both China and Taiwan.  Standard Chinese is the Mandarin dialect.  Other dialects include Cantonese (the most famous), Fukinese, Hokkien, Wu, etc.  Taiwanese Mandarin and Beijing Mandarin have differences the same way Central Texas English and New York English have differences - there are different words for some things i.e. buses, phones, foods.  The way they pronounce words is different - sometimes Beijingers add an R to the ends of words, sometimes they add an SH where there's only an S.   I speak Mandarin.  It's the exact same language with different regional pronunciations.  The difference is what you'd hear between a Californian and a New Yorker. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Parliament said:

How much would shutting the Strait down affect the US economy?  I know it would shwack our oil-importing allies, but not us it seems.  We are a net exporter.  Do we have a direct economic incentive to send our Navy to try to keep it open?

^^^I'm not advocating pacifism.  Asking questions is all.   

There is one oil market in the world. ~ 100 Million BPD is produced and consumed.

If the supply is cut by 20 Million BPD, you have 100 Million of demand chasing 80 MM of supply. Everybody gets fucked, except the producers. Everybody.

The US is an exception. We are a "net producer", good for the US producers.

BUT, and that is a big BUT, the US exports a lot of the lighter grade sweet oil produced from the shale plays, and it imports a similar quantity of the heavier, sour oil that is the preferred feedstock for the US refining industry, which was retrofitted 20 years ago to produce transportation fuels; gasoline, diesel and jet fuel from the bottom of the barrel oil production.

In the event of a Strait shutdown, the imported oil will come at an inflated world price, and gasoline and diesel prices will rise proportionally, which kicks the US economy square in the nuts. 

2 hours ago, Keyah said:

 

World Class tankers are 2-3 million bbl capacity, ~ $160-$250,000,000/per load. 

And you worry about auto and home insurance.

1 minute ago, Keyah said:

No matter the year, Oman and the GCC are relevant. 

IMO, If Iran wants to start some real fuckery, the Strait is it. Light one tanker up, and everybody is in the game. Iran gets creamed in the process, bombed to the stone age, but everybody will pay for it for a while. The prices always go up a hell of a lot faster than they come down. Prudent refiners will secure long term supply under long term contracts, and prices won't come back down until the long term contracts expire.

I think Iran follows previous actions, tells the parties that be in advance, they are going to make some face-saving response, but behind the closed doors, they push away from the table, and 

... there is not a reasonable mind within a sniff of the table.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Who is drumpf's sole advisor? Conspiracy theories aren't necessary. It's the idiot box he watches all day tuned to a specific propaganda channel. 

Don't make this any more stupid than it is already.

I don't think it's conspiratorial. Just looking at the evidence in front of us.

1. DNI said Iran is not working on a nuclear bomb. Every person he's close to in the administration said the strikes were solely Trump's decision based on "instinct" and his "evaluation" of the evidence presented to him. 

2. Trump's VP, Secretary of State, and Defense Secretary all went on TV and said no to regime change. Then a few hours later Trump tweets about the need for regime change, which has been Bibi's goal the entire time. 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, PTINS said:

IMO, If Iran wants to start some real fuckery, the Strait is it. Light one tanker up, and everybody is in the game. Iran gets creamed in the process, bombed to the stone age, but everybody will pay for it for a while. The prices always go up a hell of a lot faster than they come down. Prudent refiners will secure long term supply under long term contracts, and prices won't come back down until the long term contracts expire.

Hell, just the threat-in-being of Iran being fucky is going to drive up insurance rates for those shipping companies, who will pass that along to everyone downstream of their goods. They don't have to OWN THE WATERZZZZ, just make them sufficiently dangerous so that shipping is squeezed and causes economic pain.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Oil is down $0.65 and the stock market is up. Nobody with money on the line is in any way impressed by the anticipated Iranian response.

Yep, the market does not seem concerned about further escalation at all. 

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34 minutes ago, gsoda3 said:

No argument there ^^^ but did you forget you were talking about the cultural divide? 

Standard Chinese is the official language of both China and Taiwan.  Standard Chinese is the Mandarin dialect.  Other dialects include Cantonese (the most famous), Fukinese, Hokkien, Wu, etc.  Taiwanese Mandarin and Beijing Mandarin have differences the same way Central Texas English and New York English have differences - there are different words for some things i.e. buses, phones, foods.  The way they pronounce words is different - sometimes Beijingers add an R to the ends of words, sometimes they add an SH where there's only an S.   I speak Mandarin.  It's the exact same language with different regional pronunciations.  The difference is what you'd hear between a Californian and a New Yorker. 

I'm aware of all that information. The variance in the same language in different areas or countries are called regional dialects. I said the dialects were different, not the language. So basically you just reinforced my point on language all while ignoring all the various recent cultural and mindset divides between Taiwan and China. If you are indeed Taiwanese, I'm rather shocked you don't agree with your fellow countrymen's position. However, you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

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24 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

Oil is down $0.65 and the stock market is up. Nobody with money on the line is in any way impressed by the anticipated Iranian response.

Iran is back-channeling that they aren't going to retaliate to America (because they can't and have been neutered). Their proxies are super weak which is again why this is lowkey brilliant to hit them now.

Reports are they might pull a response like Trump's hit on the General Soleimani aka telegraph a symbolic response so that nobody actually gets hurt and maybe some property damage happens and then let it die. That's the bull case, at least.

 

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5 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

America's desire to love and support Israel allowed this bullshit artist to put American lives in danger. 

 

Does he age? 

Posted
10 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

Not only do I believe there’s a direct line, I think Bibi is Trump’s sole advisor regarding Iran. 
 

The White House tweeting a Huckabee text is to make it look like Trump is paying attention to an American official, when reality is he’s taking orders from a foreign leader and war criminal. 

Y’all need to decide whether Huckabee is relevant or not. I contend he’s absolutely not, and it sounds like you agree above. 

39 minutes ago, Covri said:

This is relatively new data around a disliked regime.  I stand by the original comment I made. What you linked is akin to Trump approval ratings. 

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1 minute ago, Vegas64 said:

Iran is back-channeling that they aren't going to retaliate to America (because they can't and have been neutered). 

They've been effectively neutered for decades, and why they haven't messed with us in a long time. 

The biggest crime of this regime is what they've done to their own country and the Iranian people. The Iranians I've met over the years never mention legitimate fear of a nuclear threat, it's all about how the regime destroyed their country.  

 

1 minute ago, Rex Kramer said:

Y’all need to decide whether Huckabee is relevant or not. I contend he’s absolutely not, and it sounds like you agree above. 

I do agree, but the larger point is this:  You say Huckabee is irrelevant, I say they are all irrelevant when it comes to advising Trump on the Middle East. Give me a name that you actually think influences his decision making. 

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17 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

Iran is back-channeling that they aren't going to retaliate to America (because they can't and have been neutered). Their proxies are super weak which is again why this is lowkey brilliant to hit them now.

Reports are they might pull a response like Trump's hit on the General Soleimani aka telegraph a symbolic response so that nobody actually gets hurt and maybe some property damage happens and then let it die. That's the bull case, at least.

 

Nobody actually got hurt? You don't think 100 people getting traumatic brain injuries is people getting hurt?

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Posted (edited)
55 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I don't think it's conspiratorial. Just looking at the evidence in front of us.

1. DNI said Iran is not working on a nuclear bomb. Every person he's close to in the administration said the strikes were solely Trump's decision based on "instinct" and his "evaluation" of the evidence presented to him. 

2. Trump's VP, Secretary of State, and Defense Secretary all went on TV and said no to regime change. Then a few hours later Trump tweets about the need for regime change, which has been Bibi's goal the entire time. 

It's 100% conspiratorial and idiotically comparable to saying George Soros controls the Democratic party. Your point 1 only leads to the easy conclusion that he doesn't listen to Tulsi Gabbard. Should be no surprise there. edit - Also EVERYTHING the motherfucker does is "instinct." The imbecile can't read and can't comprehend a sentence that's more complicated than what a 5th grader can comprehend. "Regime change" tweet came only after the bombs were dropped and using it as support for why he dropped the bombs is also idiotic. 

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6 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

They've been effectively neutered for decades, and why they haven't messed with us in a long time. 

The biggest crime of this regime is what they've done to their own country and the Iranian people. The Iranians I've met over the years never mention legitimate fear of a nuclear threat, it's all about how the regime destroyed their country.  

 

I do agree, but the larger point is this:  You say Huckabee is irrelevant, I say they are all irrelevant when it comes to advising Trump on the Middle East. Give me a name that you actually think influences his decision making. 

I agree with you. I was specifically responding to bolverk, who claims our support of Israel can all be distilled down to Revelations / End Times Christians, and Huckabee was cited as an example. It’s a hyperbolic, garbage opinion.  Huckabee is relied upon to provide the pulse of the Israelis and not much else. 

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2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Meanwhile, Iran has been hitting Israel a bit, if you want to see a pants-shitting dash cam video.

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

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1 hour ago, Armybrat said:

Please go ahead……I’ve been constipated for 2 days.

 

 

Now it embeds.  Two people arguing over the siren, LOL

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1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

 

Standard Chinese is the official language of both China and Taiwan.  Standard Chinese is the Mandarin dialect.  Other dialects include Cantonese (the most famous), Fukinese,

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Posted (edited)
12 hours ago, F250 said:

Eh, I think Islam and Judaism are a lot more closer. Christianity is the only religion out of the Abrahamic religions that projects divinity on to a man. 

Judaism is Coke, Islam is Pepsi and Christianity is Hill Country Fare grape soda.

Theologically and in praxis Judaism and Islam are the brothers and Christianity is a cousin.  That’s on everything from strict monotheistic unity, understanding of divine revelation, the overlapping relationship between legal and religious obligations, methods of belonging to the religious group, and the role of the sovereign in community of faith.
 

Fundamentally, Judaism and Islam are both comprehensively designed to provide structure and governance to a culturally unified religio-political community in a pre-national sense.  Christianity’s foundational centuries were spent working out methods on how a non-unified community of belief could survive and accommodate itself while existing within defined political entities, which expressed varying degrees of tolerance to the new group. The concept of “secularism” as it emerged from the world of late antiquity is fundamentally Christian and not shared with Islam or Judaism.

Rex, your experience of Jews as more culturally similar to Christians is just a reflection of Jews as a diaspora people and Jews in the West were shaped by centuries of exchange with Christians. MENA Jews or Ethiopian Jews would strike you as much different, also because of centuries of exchange with Islam or other forms of Christianity. 

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7 minutes ago, Chopper said:

This is the easy explanation for the regime change tweet. They think they have won a game and they're in the taunting phase. 

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22 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

Y’all need to decide whether Huckabee is relevant or not. I contend he’s absolutely not, and it sounds like you agree above. 

This is relatively new data around a disliked regime.  I stand by the original comment I made. What you linked is akin to Trump approval ratings. 

The issue isn't whether Mike Huckabee is relevant or not.  The issue is that there are dozens of other leaders of the GOP and senior members of the Administration who think/believe this way too.

They're members of a doomsday cult that is hell bent on bringing about Armageddon.  The moneyed interests are along for the ride because the GOP is so thirsty for power that they'll work with anyone willing to sell their soul. 

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30 minutes ago, Rex Kramer said:

This is relatively new data around a disliked regime.  I stand by the original comment I made. What you linked is akin to Trump approval ratings. 


lol you can stand by being wrong? How stupid are you?

 

This chart goes back 50 years and outside of republicans most other voting demographics have dipped to around 50% for decades.

 

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Gone Missing: Connection to reality.

Meanwhile the bomb plans had to be unnecessarily elaborate because the kindergartner in chief couldn't stop posting on social media.

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1 hour ago, gsoda3 said:

No argument there ^^^ but did you forget you were talking about the cultural divide? 

Standard Chinese is the official language of both China and Taiwan.  Standard Chinese is the Mandarin dialect.  Other dialects include Cantonese (the most famous), Fukinese, Hokkien, Wu, etc.  Taiwanese Mandarin and Beijing Mandarin have differences the same way Central Texas English and New York English have differences - there are different words for some things i.e. buses, phones, foods.  The way they pronounce words is different - sometimes Beijingers add an R to the ends of words, sometimes they add an SH where there's only an S.   I speak Mandarin.  It's the exact same language with different regional pronunciations.  The difference is what you'd hear between a Californian and a New Yorker. 

Even our Dutch expat Catholic parish priest in Taipei spoke fluent Mandarin. (He had been a missionary on the mainland for 30 years prior to escaping across to Taiwan in ‘49).

He said the Latin Mass, and gave the homily in English first then Mandarin.
He looked like a twin of Rodney Dangerfield.

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