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27 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

And if he becomes the Democratic nominee for POTUS, he'll become a household name overnight.

LOL there is absolutely zero chance the Dem party nominates a guy 95% of people have never heard of. What are we doing here. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Hank Kingsley said:

LOL there is absolutely zero chance the Dem party nominates a guy 95% of people have never heard of. What are we doing here. 

 

 

Please, we are well into the "let's hire the best FCS coach/high school coach" territory.

Classic Surly.

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26 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Yet there is still time to do something about it but let's not hurt the feelings of the Biden family.

It's not about that. It's about numbers. Joe Biden hasn't lost the level of support necessary to drop out. If Democrats really want him to step aside, a whole lot more of them need to say so publicly.

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3 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

LOL there is absolutely zero chance the Dem party nominates a guy 95% of people have never heard of. What are we doing here. 

 

 

I didn't say anything about any likelihood that Moore would be the pick. What I mean is that whoever replaces Biden is going to be a household name overnight. For somebody that doesn't necessarily have as high a profile now as, say, Kamala, the sooner you do this the better. Get that person out in front of every camera you can so they can start campaigning. But the money situation points strongly in Kamala's direction and the other names bandied about probably wind up on the ticket at VP.

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Had anyone done a deep dive on RFK's support?  I'd like to know specifically why he's generally polling at at least double the vote share of third party candidates in previous elections?  His surname has something to do with it but it's not like he himself has a lot of fame.  Maybe some of it is concern over Biden's age.

My theory is that the delta over previous third party candidate performance is largely protest positioning.  I believe it's not actual support for his platform or otherwise a marker  of low intelligence and information that would lead you to believe that if his vote share dropped to conventional levels that Trump would get a bigger slice of the pie than Biden.

These are the folks that are partly responsible for his terrible approval rating above and beyond which polarization can explain, be it over Gaza or student debt or old or some other issue.  They are also the ones polling senate Dems.  They'll continue to protest while it doesn't count, but will be back in the fold in November.  If they are voting Trump they are polling Trump today.  The veneer of shame people had polling/voting for Trump in 2016 and 2020 has vanished.  They are loud and proud now.

If you look at the polls of the alternative Dem candidates and how they position vs. Biden, I think there is a substantial overlap between RFKs support over historical baseline and the difference between Biden/other D.

Maybe I just made up bullshit and they go vote for Trump.  I also for mental health reasons don't watch any political TV and this thread is more or less it for my election/political news.

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13 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Look, can we all just be honest for like 3 seconds? Most of us have been on the "Please Joe, just make it to the finish line" plane for awhile now. It wasn't like we were all confident in his age before the debate. We nervously chuckled when he talked about recent conversations with people who have been dead for months. We dismissed the rapidly increasing senior moments and cringey mannerisms. We rallied around little snippets of politicians claiming he's still "good in the room" (while his cabinet almost completely kept him out of the public eye) and the SOTU.

Well, now the plane has crashed into the god damned mountain. 

You want to call staying the course and continuing the flight as is the uncowardly approach. That's fine. But some of us call it insanity.

I thought Biden was too old in 2020.  I know he's too old now. But it doesn't matter. Obama 2.0 isn't on the sidelines warming up and ready to come in.  None of the possible alternative candidates offer a substantially better chance of winning (all are polling just about even with Biden against Trump, well within the margin of error) and none but Harris would even want to try because starting a campaign from scratch with 3 months to go would be a nightmare. 

Just like in 2020, our candidate is "not Trump." Even if Biden steps aside for Harris or if the party somehow nominated and coalesced behind another ticket entirely, the candidate wouldn't be Obama 2.0, it would still be "not Trump." Biden was the acceptable old white guy in 2020 who couldn't even really get the message across then. Yes he's worse now, but not really even that much worse.  His decline is being magnified and everyone is doomposting because most people wanted to believe for the past 3.5 years that there was no way that Trump could possibly get re-elected and now they're finally confronting reality. But this was always going to be a close election, just like the last one, for numerous structural and social reasons that have nothing to do with who the Democratic candidate is.  

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

But this was always going to be a close election, just like the last one, for numerous structural and social reasons that have nothing to do with who the Democratic candidate is.  

No, everyone knows any other candidate will clean Trump's clock.  *eye roll* 

It's time to face facts - we are not going to have another 1984-style blowout in America for a long time.  We are literally a 50/50 (maybe 52/48) country in terms of polarization and structurally, the GOP will likely never win the popular vote ever again barring a massive realignment, but the EC will always give them a chance.

American Democracy simply doesn't work anymore. 

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

No, everyone knows any other candidate will clean Trump's clock.  *eye roll* 

It's time to face facts - we are not going to have another 1984-style blowout in America for a long time.  We are literally a 50/50 (maybe 52/48) country in terms of polarization and structurally, the GOP will likely never win the popular vote ever again barring a massive realignment, but the EC will always give them a chance.

American Democracy simply doesn't work anymore. 

Over half the country fucking hates the guy that will probably win the election. It's insane.

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10 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I think y’all need to accept the fact that Joe Biden is going to be the nominee. 

Doom thread title out front should have told you that we mostly have.

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i keep getting texts with obvious democratic pollster questions - 'are you still voting for Joe Biden?', 'do you still support Joe Biden as the democratic nominee?', 'would you support another democratic nominee?' stuff like that. 

the thing is...they all have a link to click to respond. and guess what...i will never click a link i receive from an anonymous unknown number. 

assuming those are legit pollsters, they are likely missing a whole lot of educated, tech savvy respondents in these polls.

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Just now, mchookem said:

i keep getting texts with obvious democratic pollster questions - 'are you still voting for Joe Biden?', 'do you still support Joe Biden as the democratic nominee?', 'would you support another democratic nominee?' stuff like that. 

the thing is...they all have a link to click to respond. and guess what...i will never click a link i receive from an anonymous unknown number. 

assuming those are legit pollsters, they are likely missing a whole lot of educated, tech savvy respondents in these polls.

Same here. It's insane to think they're evaluating anything based on polls that couldn't look more like scams if they tried.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Same here. It's insane to think they're evaluating anything based on polls that couldn't look more like scams if they tried.

I don’t even answer the phone when HEB calls to tell me my prescription is ready 

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11 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Over half the country fucking hates the guy that will probably win the election. It's insane.

And of the other side, a sizable chunk is voting for TFG for the sole reason that.....the opposition side hates him, so when he wins, it will make them mad.  "Lib tears" and all that.  A large percentage of voters is going to set off a suicide vest to blow up the country just because setting off that vest pisses off a bunch of people locked in the room with them.  

Stupidest fucking timeline.

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12 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

None of the possible alternative candidates offer a substantially better chance of winning

I obviously can't prove this, but I just fundamentally disagree. Every single Biden lock today would still vote for any Democrat nominee to try to stop Trump. Another nominee at least gives the potential of swaying some of the "anyone but these two chucklefucks" crowd. Call him/her the "anti-Trump and probably will still be alive in 4 years" candidate. Sexy name appeal right there.

And, as others have mentioned, if the nominee IS going to be Biden, the White House has to stop gaslighting (god, I hate that word) us about his condition. 

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2 hours ago, immamac said:

Look at it this way. There is no other candidate out there who can genuinely forget that Donald Trump had an assassination attempt this election cycle. 

Biden will treat Donald Trump just like he did in 2020 because he thinks it's still 2020. We liked that result, we will like this result. 

 

1 hour ago, immamac said:

You haven't been paying attention this week have you? The RNC was a fucking disaster and they are being brazen about their extremism. The RFK Jr leak is a disaster. We are still in the early innings.

The only people who give a shit about Biden's mush brains are people who are clutching their pearls, no one is not voting for him because of his decline. The fact that it's identified as a driver for apathy so early in the campaign is also going to play to the campaigns strengths where they can get out the vote regardless of candidate. 

America does need a ton of reform to get out of this extremist doom loop we are currently in, but I don't think doubling down on extremism is the right way to go. Trump was starting to lean into the moderates with the Biden debate flub and that was the huge worry. Now it seems especially post-assassination attempt they are going to full send on the absolute most insane extremist positions which is going to have a fairly drastic negative impact on moderate turnout. 

 

Love the optimism. Biden is going to roll just as soon as he figures out the playbook.

 

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2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I obviously can't prove this, but I just fundamentally disagree. Every single Biden lock today would still vote for any Democrat nominee to try to stop Trump. Another nominee at least gives the potential of swaying some of the "anyone but these two chucklefucks" crowd. Call him/her the "anti-Trump and probably will still be alive in 4 years" candidate. Sexy name appeal right there.

And, as others have mentioned, if the nominee IS going to be Biden, the White House has to stop gaslighting (god, I hate that word) us about his condition. 

Yeah, but isn't it likely that any Biden replacement immediately becomes a chucklefuck?

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

Yeah, but isn't it likely that any Biden replacement immediately becomes a chucklefuck?

At least not an old chucklefuck, which is apparently all that the deciding electorate cares about.

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4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Yeah, but isn't it likely that any Biden replacement immediately becomes a chucklefuck?

Of course. But the bar is exceptionally low at this point. "Don't look like you're about to keel over, and complete consecutive sentences that are both coherent and not unhinged."

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

Of course. But the bar is exceptionally low at this point. "Don't look like you're about to keel over, and complete consecutive sentences that are both coherent and not unhinged."

Shit. If you can competently read off a teleprompter, you've doubled Biden's capacity right now.   Being able to speak in complete sentences without notes is Einstein level stuff for the Dem Candidate. 

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10 minutes ago, Voluminous Banality said:

 

 

Love the optimism. Biden is going to roll just as soon as he figures out the playbook.

 

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Juan is a fucking gamer. You will see. 

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16 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

I obviously can't prove this, but I just fundamentally disagree. Every single Biden lock today would still vote for any Democrat nominee to try to stop Trump. Another nominee at least gives the potential of swaying some of the "anyone but these two chucklefucks" crowd. Call him/her the "anti-Trump and probably will still be alive in 4 years" candidate. Sexy name appeal right there.

And, as others have mentioned, if the nominee IS going to be Biden, the White House has to stop gaslighting (god, I hate that word) us about his condition. 

This!

The press conference lying is not great.  So you're running against a ridiculous liar and your tactic is to.......lie to everyone?

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1 minute ago, Bateshorn said:

Shit. If you can competently read off a teleprompter, you've doubled Biden's capacity right now.   Being able to speak in complete sentences without notes is Einstein level stuff for the Dem Candidate. 

I've heard people speak of taking the keys away from grandpa but why stop at Joe? Why not just say anyone over 70 can't participate(at least by holding office) anymore?

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Just now, Pam Cummings said:

I've heard people speak of taking the keys away from grandpa but why stop at Joe? Why not just say anyone over 70 can't participate(at least by holding office) anymore?

Or, I don't know, stop voting for the elderly.

Posted
33 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I think y’all need to accept the fact that Joe Biden is going to be the nominee. 

And I'm OK with that.  I'd honestly be OK with the Dennis Reynolds sex doll in a suit as the nominee.  I'd much rather have someone sit there and do jack shit for the next four years than have a president spew insanity at 2AM on Twitter/X from a West Wing shitter.  Do we honestly think the next four years of Biden would be a significant downgrade from these past four?   

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The election still seems to be framed as Biden vs. Trump.  It's too early for most people to think of it as Not Trump vs. Trump.  But our assholes will get tighter as November approaches and hopefully the election is framed more in that manner as the days tick by.

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5 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Everybody polling better against Trump than either Biden or Harris:

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/playbook/2024/07/17/new-polling-bolsters-dump-biden-push-00168943

Honestly, these need to be taken with a HUGE grain of salt.

Everyone but Biden/Harris is basically "generic Dem" in polling - that will quickly change as the hate engine revs up, everything about their lives/policies come out, etc. 

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2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Honestly, these need to be taken with a HUGE grain of salt.

Everyone but Biden/Harris is basically "generic Dem" in polling - that will quickly change as the hate engine revs up, everything about their lives/policies come out, etc. 

I said it before, but every single person who thinks Biden is easily replaceable with a different candidate who they imagine will suddenly become much more popular also thought a few years ago that DeSantis would easily get the GOP nomination.

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I said it before, but every single person who thinks Biden is easily replaceable with a different candidate who they imagine will suddenly become much more popular also thought a few years ago that DeSantis would easily get the GOP nomination.

I haven't dove deep into these polls, but I'd imagine the "do you have an opinion of this person" for each of the non-Biden/Harris candidates is probably super high in the "i don't know" category because NOBODY DOING THESE POLLS KNOWS WHO THEY ARE. 

We see this every cycle - OMG Ted Cruz is losing to "generic Dem" but then wins in November, because Generic Dem/GOP is not an actual candidate. 

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Why did Stewart have a serial sexual harasser from Fox News on his show just to spew GOP talking points? 

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Why did Stewart have a serial sexual harasser from Fox News on his show just to spew GOP talking points? 

It was bizzare. Next week just have Satan as the main guest.
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4 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

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I just wish if they would all do it at the same time or get behind him 100%. Stop with half measures. Now you have a leaked phone call with a group of Dems and Biden scolding Jason Crow Bronze Star recipient. I mean just fucking A—either everyone says step aside it at one time or they need to get behind him. 
 

im pissy. I’m at an urgent care for extreme pain on my right front lower side and wifi isn’t great. 
 

what Biden said to Crow in leaked call that happened on Saturday before assassination attempt:

"I put NATO together. Name me a foreign leader who thinks I'm not the most effective leader in the world on foreign policy. Tell me! Tell me who the hell that is! Tell me who put NATO back together! Tell me who enlarged NATO, tell me who did the Pacific basin! Tell me who did something that you've never done with your Bronze Star like my son—and I'm proud of your leadership, but guess what, what's happening, we've got Korea and Japan working together, I put AUKUS together, anyway!"

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Either everyone makes a unified front in telling him to step aside or they need a shut the fuck up. Repubs do not need to attack Joe when his own party is kicking him in dick hourly. 

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7 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Why did Stewart have a serial sexual harasser from Fox News on his show just to spew GOP talking points? 

The same reason they've interviewed each other before: (1) he does get views, and (2) to actually get a response out to the nonsense. Each time they've been on air together, the clips coming out of it are Stewart dunking on him. That's not nothing in the current media environment. 

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4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I just wish if they would all do it at the same time or get behind him 100%. Stop with half measures. Now you have a leaked phone call with a group of Dems and Biden scolding Jason Crow Bronze Star recipient. I mean just fucking A—either everyone says step aside it at one time or they need to get behind him. 
 

im pissy. I’m at an urgent care for extreme pain on my right front lower side and wifi isn’t great. 
 

what Biden said to Crow in leaked call that happened on Saturday before assassination attempt:

"I put NATO together. Name me a foreign leader who thinks I'm not the most effective leader in the world on foreign policy. Tell me! Tell me who the hell that is! Tell me who put NATO back together! Tell me who enlarged NATO, tell me who did the Pacific basin! Tell me who did something that you've never done with your Bronze Star like my son—and I'm proud of your leadership, but guess what, what's happening, we've got Korea and Japan working together, I put AUKUS together, anyway!"

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Either everyone makes a unified front in telling him to step aside or they need a shut the fuck up. Repubs do not need to attack Joe when his own party is kicking him in dick hourly. 

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Everything Biden said is factually correct. What are you mad about there?

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The same reason they've interviewed each other before: (1) he does get views, and (2) to actually get a response out to the nonsense. Each time they've been on air together, the clips coming out of it are Stewart dunking on him. That's not nothing in the current media environment. 

At least Stewart has the sharpness to crack back at people like O’Reilly. Meanwhile, Jake Tapper and others bring on the “opposing viewpoint” and allow these folks to just spew lies one after the other with zero pushback. Insanity.
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8 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

im pissy. I’m at an urgent care for extreme pain on my right front lower side and wifi isn’t great. 

Hate it when the victim fights back 

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Posted (edited)
13 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Everything Biden said is factually correct. What are you mad about there?

It’s the fact that stuff keeps getting leaked. Drip drip drip. Schiff says step down. Drip drip drip. Details of phone call leaked. Drip drip drip. It either has to be 100% effort to unite behind him or 100% to replace him. 
 

cool cool. Urgent care sending me to the ER. Fuck my life. 

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1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

This is somewhat tangential to the discussion of whether Biden should drop out, but there's a good new blog post by a political scientist discussing why vibes have shifted against Democrats.  I want to note this part in particular:

The vibes around the Biden debate are not actually about public opinion of Biden, they're about what establishment California Democrats and wealthy Democratic donors and the fucking owner of the New York Times think public opinion is. And I cannot emphasize this enough, those people are more divorced from public opinion than anyone any of us have ever met in our lives

All I know is what I saw with my eyes.

Im about as blue as you can get and still be allowed to live in Texas and get invited over to friends houses.

Joe Biden is not fit to be the presidental nominee running against the demise of our democracy and our countries foundation. However, given the choice between him and the guy with Satan’s horseshoe (hoof shoe?) up his ass…. I’ll take Biden.


Part of being a nominee is communicating your vision for the future. Joe is a good president, now.

Running for President requires selling your vision and I don’t see how he can given his current state. And I’m not knocking him or saying he’s senile. He gets tired, forgets shit, slips up just like anyone who’s that age. But the rigors of the job are so great I just can’t see him having enough gas in the tank quite frankly.

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I think Schiff is terrified of what Trump getting back in the Oval Office could mean for him. Trump will definitely come after him. 

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9 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

This is somewhat tangential to the discussion of whether Biden should drop out, but there's a good new blog post by a political scientist discussing why vibes have shifted against Democrats.  I want to note this part in particular:

The vibes around the Biden debate are not actually about public opinion of Biden, they're about what establishment California Democrats and wealthy Democratic donors and the fucking owner of the New York Times think public opinion is. And I cannot emphasize this enough, those people are more divorced from public opinion than anyone any of us have ever met in our lives

Not to mention, no offense to us, what the average voter thinks.  *We* are not average voters - we are highly educated and informed.  We are following everything to the minute.

There's a reason campaigns don't gear up big time until Labor Day - the average voter is not paying attention, still. 

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