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Posted
20 hours ago, heso said:

It’s not even up for debate that Texas approaches ooc scheduling with more integrity than any other school. They want a ooc game against a national championship contender every year. The second tier after them includes bama, Ohio state, and Michigan. LSU is a small step behind them. Everyone else can get fucked. 

i say we go one better than aggy and invent the "helmet school win metric"

here's the list of wins for current P4, ancient ivy not included (number in brackets are AP/BCS+AP national titles)

1009 michigan (3)

973 alabama (12)

973 ohio state (5)

957 texas (3)

957 notre dame (8)

949 oklahoma (7)

939 penn state (2)

922 nebraska (4)

889 georgia (3)

880 usc (5)

873 tenneessee (2)

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812 lsu (3)

806 clemson (3)

803 auburn (2)

786 west virginia (0)

786 aggy (1)

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768 pitt (2)

763 florida (3)

750 syracuse (1)

739 minnesota (4)

736 army (2)

734 michigan state (1)

731 colorado (1)

691 tcu (1)

681 maryland (1)

672 miami (5)

617 byu (1)

588 florida state (3)

 

there is a clear gap between #11 and #12 on the all-time wins list

21st century fans of lsu & clemson will obviously consider themselves helmet schools & they each have an AP title from the 20th century so whether they are in or out can be debated

however auburn, west virginia and aggy are obviously not helmet schools

 

tennessee is an interesting case

not a helmet school to me but they are the cutoff based on all-time wins

the list is neither a clean top 10 nor a top 12

 

the final bucket is teams way down the list of total wins but with at least 1 title

since aggy are clearly not a helmet school, inclusion of those teams below them in wins becomes subjective: how many titles = helmet school?

 

i'm thinking 800 wins AND 2 AP/BCS titles OR 3 AP/BCS titles is the criteria but i'll have to see that that list looks like - minnesota a helmet school?

 

regardless, we have TWO (2) TOP TEN HELMET SCHOOL WINS this year, both away from home

put it on the wall

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Posted
26 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

i say we go one better than aggy and invent the "helmet school win metric"

here's the list of wins for current P4, ancient ivy not included (number in brackets are AP/BCS+AP national titles)

1009 michigan (3)

973 alabama (12)

973 ohio state (5)

957 texas (3)

957 notre dame (8)

949 oklahoma (7)

939 penn state (2)

922 nebraska (4)

889 georgia (3)

880 usc (5)

873 tenneessee (2)

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812 lsu (3)

806 clemson (3)

803 auburn (2)

786 west virginia (0)

786 aggy (1)

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768 pitt (2)

763 florida (3)

750 syracuse (1)

739 minnesota (4)

736 army (2)

734 michigan state (1)

731 colorado (1)

691 tcu (1)

681 maryland (1)

672 miami (5)

617 byu (1)

588 florida state (3)

 

there is a clear gap between #11 and #12 on the all-time wins list

21st century fans of lsu & clemson will obviously consider themselves helmet schools & they each have an AP title from the 20th century so whether they are in or out can be debated

however auburn, west virginia and aggy are obviously not helmet schools

 

tennessee is an interesting case

not a helmet school to me but they are the cutoff based on all-time wins

the list is neither a clean top 10 nor a top 12

 

the final bucket is teams way down the list of total wins but with at least 1 title

since aggy are clearly not a helmet school, inclusion of those teams below them in wins becomes subjective: how many titles = helmet school?

 

i'm thinking 800 wins AND 2 AP/BCS titles OR 3 AP/BCS titles is the criteria but i'll have to see that that list looks like - minnesota a helmet school?

 

regardless, we have TWO (2) TOP TEN HELMET SCHOOL WINS this year, both away from home

put it on the wall

Given that the UPI and later the Coach's Poll were both legitimate awarders of national titles in contemporaneous manners, your exclusion of them here makes the entire effort futile. 

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Posted
29 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

957 texas (3)

949 oklahoma (7)

I hope they keep BV for many more years so we can put some distance between us here.

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Posted

Dang, I just realized that all of the P4 conferences could have newbs as this year's conference champs. Yeah, I'm sure most of yoiu already realized that, but damn, it's pretty crazy.

BIG: Oregon

SEC: Texas

XII: Colorado

ACC: SMU

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Posted
11 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Dang, I just realized that all of the P4 conferences could have newbs as this year's conference champs. Yeah, I'm sure most of yoiu already realized that, but damn, it's pretty crazy.

BIG: Oregon

SEC: Texas

XII: Colorado

ACC: SMU

I’d be all for this (for obvious reasons) 🤘🏼

Posted
1 hour ago, heso said:

Texas is not at risk with one loss. Not even a little bit. And neither is Penn state with 1 loss. I’m also counting Texas with a second loss coming in the sec championship game in that. Texas with a loss to aggy is at risk, psu with a loss to Minnesota is probably out. 

The committee has shown that the number of losses a team has is the first criteria. Then all of the other factors like quality wins and strength of schedule come into play. 

The talking heads and fans of 2 loss sec teams are taking the approach of just ranking teams based on the eye test in their biggest game. That allows the 2 loss teams to ignore their multiple losses, their bad losses, the shit ooc games in November. It all comes down to how good is your best win and nothing else, because then they’d have to accept that one of the 2 loss sec teams is going to be left out, and there are arguments for all of them to be left out. 

If the chalk holds, the only decision beyond seeding is 1 loss Indiana vs 2 loss Tennessee. 

Of course not.  That means we would have won the SEC Championship and are automatic qualifiers.

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Posted

All this is fun...but if Texas beats Aggy they're getting in the playoffs.  Full Stop.

 

What I want them to chance about the CFP is the seedings. Yes the top 5 Conference Champs SHOULD get in.  I have no problem with one spot going to a G5 team having an amazing year and giving them a chance.

But this "automatic Top 4 seeds" shit needs to go.

There is NO WAY the 8th ranked team or the 10-11th ranked teams with 2-3 losses should be handed the 3/4 seeds over a bunch of 1 loss teams or much better 2 loss teams.

You can use conference champion as a tie breaker for two similar teams, but not just slot them in IMO.

We should have Miami/SMU or Colorado/AZ ST getting byes and hosting games against Ohio ST and Texas.

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Posted
42 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Given that the UPI and later the Coach's Poll were both legitimate awarders of national titles in contemporaneous manners, your exclusion of them here makes the entire effort futile. 

I disagree.  The chaos goes beyond the UPI and Coach's Poll:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_football_national_championships_in_NCAA_Division_I_FBS

The only constant since 1936 is the AP.

My exclusion of everything else renders the entire effort precise and scientific, once the selection criteria is agreed upon.

 

Since you demarcated the UPI and Coach's Polls as the disruptors, lets examine your postulate.

Note that the UPI Poll became the Coach's Poll in 1991 when USA Today took over the poll.

 

Here is the list of split titles between the AP and UPI/Coach's polls since 1936:

1970 Nebraska was first in the AP poll, but third in the coaches poll, while Texas was first in the coaches poll and third in the AP poll.

1973 Notre Dame was first in the AP poll, but fourth in the coaches poll, while Alabama was first in the coaches poll and fourth in the AP poll. 

1974 Oklahoma was first in the AP poll, but unranked in the coaches poll, while USC was first in the coaches poll and second in the AP poll. 

1978 Alabama was first in the AP poll, but second in the coaches poll, while USC was first in the coaches poll and second in the AP poll. 

1990 Colorado was first in the AP poll, but second in the coaches poll, while Georgia Tech was first in the coaches poll and second in the AP poll. 

1997 Michigan was first in the AP poll, but Nebraska was first in the coaches poll. 

 

To satisfy the CTJ Doctrine of Truth, we shall subtract .5 for the AP winner in all the split years and add .5 of a natty the UPI/Coaches winner from split years.

Doing so, the math now looks like this:

 

here's the list of wins for fbs with ancient ivy not included

number in brackets is tallied based on AP/BCS+AP/UPI+Coaches national titles are not split having a value of 1, split titles having a value of .5

1009 michigan (2.5)

973 alabama (12)

973 ohio state (5)

957 texas (3.5)

957 notre dame (7.5)

949 oklahoma (6.5)

939 penn state (2)

922 nebraska (4)

889 georgia (3)

880 usc (6)

873 tenneessee (2)

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812 lsu (3)

806 clemson (3)

803 auburn (2)

786 west virginia (0)

786 aggy (1)

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768 pitt (2)

763 florida (3)

761 georgia tech (.5)

750 syracuse (1)

739 minnesota (4)

736 army (2)

734 michigan state (1)

731 colorado (.5)

691 tcu (1)

681 maryland (1)

672 miami (5)

617 byu (1)

588 florida state (3)

 

with the satisfaction of CTJ's Doctrine of Truth, the remainder of the content from my original post remains unchallenged

 

there is a clear gap between #11 and #12 on the all-time wins list

21st century fans of lsu & clemson will obviously consider themselves helmet schools & they each have an AP title from the 20th century so whether they are in or out can be debated

however auburn, west virginia and aggy are obviously not helmet schools

 

tennessee is an interesting case

not a helmet school to me but they are the cutoff based on all-time wins

the list is neither a clean top 10 nor a top 12

 

the final bucket is teams way down the list of total wins but with at least 1 title

since aggy are clearly not a helmet school, inclusion of those teams below them in wins becomes subjective: how many titles = helmet school?

 

i'm thinking 800 wins AND 2 AP/BCS titles OR 3 AP/BCS titles is the criteria but i'll have to see that that list looks like - minnesota a helmet school?

 

regardless, we have TWO (2) TOP TEN HELMET SCHOOL WINS this year, both away from home

put it on the wall

 

Posted

great breakdown on SOR based on a concept of 'quads' or 'quadrents' of team rankings instead of an arbitrary top 25

 

https://old.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/1gxdmpx/quad_wins_for_cfp_ranked_teams/

 

Quadrant definitions

Quadrant Rating Rk - Home Rk - Neutral Rk - Away
Quad 1 >=13.0 1-14 1-17 1-27
Quad 2 6.5-13.0 14-28 18-41 28-55
Quad 3 -2.5-6.5 29-65 42-73 56-88
Quad 4 <-2.5 66-134 74-134 89-134

Quad W/L by team

CFP Rk Team Record Quad 1 Quad 2 Quad 3 Quad 4
1 Oregon 11-0 1-0 2-0 3-0 4-0
2 Ohio State 9-1 2-1 0-0 2-0 5-0
3 Texas 9-1 0-1 4-0 1-0 4-0
4 Penn State 9-1 0-1 1-0 4-0 4-0
5 Indiana 10-0 0-0 1-0 3-0 5-0
6 Notre Dame 9-1 1-0 2-0 2-0 4-1
7 Alabama 8-2 3-1 1-0 2-1 1-0
8 Miami 9-1 0-0 4-0 1-1 3-0
9 Ole Miss 8-2 2-0 2-2 0-0 3-0
10 Georgia 8-2 3-2 2-0 1-0 1-0
11 Tennessee 8-2 1-1 3-1 1-0 2-0
12 Boise State 9-1 0-1 0-0 2-0 6-0
13 SMU 8-1 0-0 3-1 2-0 3-0
14 BYU 9-1 1-0 1-0 5-1 1-0
15 Texas A&M 8-2 1-2 2-0 1-0 3-0
16 Colorado 8-2 0-0 0-1 6-1 1-0
17 Clemson 8-2 0-1 2-1 2-0 4-0
18 South Carolina 7-3 2-2 2-1 1-0 2-0
19 Army 9-0 0-0 0-0 0-0 8-0
20 Tulane 9-2 0-0 0-2 2-0 6-0
21 Arizona State 8-2 0-0 1-0 5-2 2-0
22 Iowa State 8-2 1-0 0-1 4-1 2-0
23 Missouri 7-3 0-3 2-0 2-0 2-0
24 UNLV 8-2 0-0 1-1 0-1 6-0
25 Illinois 7-3 0-2 1-1 2-0 3-0
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Posted

Really, rather than "Biggest Tites" we should rank by "Best Tites".

To keep discussions going strong, there should be no clear definition of what actually constitutes "best".

Additional parameters could be brought into play, such as protrusion, roundness, cup size, nipple location and/or size and/or color, firmness, et cetera.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Really, rather than "Biggest Tites" we should rank by "Best Tites".

To keep discussions going strong, there should be no clear definition of what actually constitutes "best".

Additional parameters could be brought into play, such as protrusion, roundness, cup size, nipple location and/or size and/or color, firmness, et cetera.

"Visibility" works for me.  Hey to me as a college freshman.

Posted
3 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

"pedder is texas" works

it shuts down anyone anywhere

if we're at risk, why isn't pedder?

pedder has 1 loss to a top-10 team

texas has 1 loss to a top-10 team

same SoS as Texas

Texas has destroyed the opponent in 7 of our 9 wins (4 P4, 3 G5)

pedder has destroyed the opponent in 3 of their 9 wins (2 P4, 1 G5)

The one thing that's really irking me, right now, is that Penn State and or IU are heavy favorites to get the semi prestigious fifth seed, without having beaten anybody.

Posted
1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

Since you demarcated the UPI and Coach's Polls as the disruptors, lets examine your postulate.

Note that the UPI Poll became the Coach's Poll in 1991 when USA Today took over the pol

 

Huh?  UPI is the coaches' poll.  Only the name/sponsor changed in 1990.  It's still the coaches' poll, and has been since 1950.

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Posted
3 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Heather Dinich isn't some newbie getting airtime because she's a somewhat decent-looking woman. She was a student journalist at Indiana when Bobby Knight's last scandal broke out. He tried to use and bully her and she held her ground and published the truth in the student newspaper, which launched her career. She then built a career doing that kind of digging and sticking to her knitting. 

Y'all running over Dinich and Auerbach as bad reporters who are only getting on camera due to looks or DEI or whatever are being reductive and lazy.

Saying she has pancake tiddys is hardly reductive. 

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Posted (edited)
23 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

The one thing that's really irking me, right now, is that Penn State and or IU are heavy favorites to get the semi prestigious fifth seed, without having beaten anybody.

Neither will actually get the 5 seed unless it’s IU after beating osu & losing to Oregon in the championship game. The 5 seed will go to b1g championship game loser, the 6 seed will go to texas if they lose the sec championship game or psu if texas wins the sec because they and ND would be the only ones left with only 1 loss, and PSUs loss not being a bad loss. ND/3 loss sec championship loser get 7 & 8. 

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Posted
7 hours ago, Crockett said:

So it's the 6 SEC teams, then BYU, then everybody else.  🤠

Wonder where the rest of the B12 falls. BYU got a nice bump from playing SMU OOC.

Posted
16 hours ago, notre dame joe said:

The one thing that's really irking me, right now, is that Penn State and or IU are heavy favorites to get the semi prestigious fifth seed, without having beaten anybody.

What are you talking about? tOSU and Oregon are the heavy favorites for the 5 seed. Penn State doesn’t really have any shot at it, and IU will only be the favorite if they beat tOSU and go 12-0, in which case they’d deserve it. 

Posted

weird bowl matchups are now more possible than ever

corndog has given the cajuns 3 games this century, all in redstick, outscoring them 124 -6

they played 19 times between 1902 and 1938

louisiana state is 22-0 against louisiana

i don't know if they can be matched up or if snakey would allow it but it might be a fair fight this year and watching kelly coach this game would be must-see

Posted

No more Indiana talk after this

no more pedo state either

the big10 is trash

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Indy just played way into CFP... good 1st half.

Need an upset in B10 or else they get 4 teams in -- maybe Penn State loses to Minnesota???

lol it’s 28-7

they don’t pass the eye test or the body of work test

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Posted
13 minutes ago, ztejas said:

An Indiana bid would be fucking fraudulent. 

Not convinced they won't get one though. 

They will get in

It’s also a Fox/ABC thing im sure to split up the teams. 
 

4 big 10

4 SEC 

4 cupcakes

Posted
1 minute ago, Hank_Hill said:

Yep. Texas path a lot easier now if we take care of business today. Still fuck aggy up obviously.

Definitely gives us hope. Tennessee would still probably get the nod over us with the Bama win, so we need the committee to really push Indiana out.

Posted (edited)

Who the hell goes to the SEC Championship game if aggy loses and Bama wins tonight?  That'd leave GA, TX, aggy, Bama, and TN with 2 losses.

/if we slip up next week with a hobbled QB.

 

Edited by Knoxtnhorn
Posted
Just now, Knoxtnhorn said:

Who the hell goes to the SEC Championship game if aggy loses and Bama wins tonight?  That'd leave GA, TX, aggy, Bama, and TN with 2 losses.

 

Come On What GIF by MOODMAN

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Posted (edited)
23 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

what is Indiana's SOS now?

The Hoosiers will climb in the computer rankings while Penn St drops.

 

Same logic, ND could drop after winning by 7.

 

Edit: that would be an expected to read joke  on Surly; SEC contract requires Texas and A&M to pool records. 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

Who the hell goes to the SEC Championship game if aggy loses and Bama wins tonight?  That'd leave GA, TX, aggy, Bama, and TN with 2 losses.

/if we slip up next week with a hobbled QB.

 

Bama/GA based on conf opp winning %

Posted

If aggy hangs on to lose tonight, then I think we're in the playoff no matter what happens next weekend. Even if we "shudder" lost to aggy, we'd still be in with 2 losses after aggy and Ole Miss picked up loss number 3 today. 

Posted
4 minutes ago, Lou_Sassle said:

If aggy hangs on to lose tonight, then I think we're in the playoff no matter what happens next weekend. Even if we "shudder" lost to aggy, we'd still be in with 2 losses after aggy and Ole Miss picked up loss number 3 today. 

Yep.  That'd leave 4 teams with 2, or fewer, losses.  Plus, the SEC Championship game loser would have 3.  I'm not sure how the committee feels about punishing a team making the championship game and losing, but it'd be TX, TN, and the winner with 2 losses; everyone else with 3+.

Posted
3 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

Yep.  That'd leave 4 teams with 2, or fewer, losses.  Plus, the SEC Championship game loser would have 3.  I'm not sure how the committee feels about punishing a team making the championship game and losing, but it'd be TX, TN, and the winner with 2 losses; everyone else with 3+.

Sankey has already been politicking that champ game losers shouldn't be punished.

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Posted
4 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

This playoff is going to be wild. There are no teams without major warts. This year's national champion is going to be the team that gets hot in December and January. 

Cool.  Again, if TX slips up, then the two SEC Championship game players plus TN and TX.  Almost everything I've seen nationally has the SEC with 4 teams.

Posted
14 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

This playoff is going to be wild. There are no teams without major warts. This year's national champion is going to be the team that gets hot in December and January. 

well that perfectly describes us.

Posted
11 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

Cool.  Again, if TX slips up, then the two SEC Championship game players plus TN and TX.  Almost everything I've seen nationally has the SEC with 4 teams.

SEC could play their way down to 3. Bama, Tenn, and Georgia could all lose again

Posted
48 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

Who the hell goes to the SEC Championship game if aggy loses and Bama wins tonight?  That'd leave GA, TX, aggy, Bama, and TN with 2 losses.

Uhhh . . .

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Posted

The media is starting to talk about how awful the big 10 is outside of the top 4.  The lack of a single win by the rest of the conference against the top 4 is such an indictment of the lack of depth as opposed to an affirmation of the quality of the top.  

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Posted
Just now, alincoln said:

The media is starting to talk about how awful the big 10 is outside of the top 4.  The lack of a single win by the rest of the conference against the top 4 is such an indictment of the lack of depth as opposed to an affirmation of the quality of the top.  

Yeah the espn machine is pushing for its own self interests and we know how that works out for the SEC. 
 

the other networks are trying to push back. 

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Posted
50 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

Who the hell goes to the SEC Championship game if aggy loses and Bama wins tonight?  That'd leave GA, TX, aggy, Bama, and TN with 2 losses.

/if we slip up next week with a hobbled QB.

 

I’m pretty sure it’s UGA Bama if we lose to aggy 

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