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Do y’all think it would have been an issue on the right if Obama had said out loud “A lot of people are saying I should be a dictator”? I mean we could do this all day every day, but that stands out.

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10 hours ago, Pancho said:

I mean we are already there but it feels like we are headed for a very dark place 

 

Ronald Reagan: While it is a commonly referenced quote, Ronald Reagan's precise phrase was slightly different and had a specific historical context. At a 1984 rally in Austin, Texas, referring to the Democratic Party, he said: "The national Democratic leadership is going so far left, they've left America". 

Ronald Reagan used the phrase "their value system is radically different from that of most Americans" in his famous "Evil Empire" speech on March 8, 1983. He did not use this phrase to describe his own values, but rather to criticize those he perceived as opposing traditional, faith-based American values. 

In the speech, delivered to the National Association of Evangelicals in Orlando, Florida, Reagan used the phrase to refer to secularists who he believed were trying to impose their own rules and regulations through government. 

In short, he was, advertently or otherwise, setting up a jihad. Righteousness to define the right. 

I truly loathe the man. Now, even worse than Nixon.

He was the smiling, avuncular face stretched across the front of the hate engine. 

10 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

I used to kinda scoff at the "it's a cult" stuff with Trumpers. Felt a little too on the nose. 

But I think it's true that around 100 million people in this country currently reside in an alternate reality. Some adore Trump, some support him, some are just in full denial. These people were scared shitless of perceived dangers from the left, yet completely shut out the very real and destructive effects of Trump and his merry band of fascists. They are in complete submission. It's just so fucking pathetic.

 

I scoff at the notion that they are cult these days. They're mujahadeen taking up the sword and taking Trump's mushroom up their asses to get at the real enemy: Ebil Dems.

 

10 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

We're really seeing a transformation of American democracy. When Trump can't get his way from within the system, he asks how he can change the system. You will need more House seats, create off cycle redistricting. You need lower interest rates, fire unfriendly Fed governors.

The one unknown is where this stops. If Trump wants to stay in power, why not just claim he can run again. Why not just suspend elections. Obviously he would create an emergency reason to allow him to do so. Today most likely a large percentage of Republicans would say that Trump can't run again. Give him 2 years to build the argument, and that percentage would drop dramatically.

Liberal democracies are not transformed into fascist authoritarianism, IMHO. They are corrupted, destroyed, and displaced.

 

9 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

This.

There's nothing he can do to lose their support.  Not a single damned thing.  He could light the fucking White House on fire, and it would thrill his supporters because the rest of us would react with "Jesus fucking Christ, why is he burning down the White House?" and they would cackle about all of our "sweet lib tears." 

We are a dick-ocracy now.  Being the biggest dick imaginable is the only attribute of any value.  And it has near infinite value to them.

Dick-ocracy. I like that. I think I particularly like that the metaphorical biggest dick literally has a tiny one.

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2 hours ago, Pancho said:

I mean we are already there but it feels like we are headed for a very dark place 

 

funny how the left is able to seamlessly shapeshift between a giant group of woke, pussy, snowflakes who are all in their fee fee’s over pronouns and a domestic extremist terrorism organization that’s the ingest and most imminent threat to our everyday way of life and peace. 

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1 hour ago, Nivek said:

Nah, I disagree with you here.  I don't think most people are OK with that, but most people are not willing to respond.  The first person who fires the shot, gets shot.   There is no collective thinking on the left or in the middle.   Right now there is still a lot for use to lose, especially those with young kids and special needs.  We might be pissed, but we can't die yet while our kids are still very young.  

"Daddy went to all my soccer games! One day I hope to play for the Imperial Team!"

Our kids will be so very proud of our efforts to thwart the traitors who bring down the republic. 

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12 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

 

 

Duh.  The administration has already declared that "all 65 million of them" have to go.  That's the total number of all hispanics in the US, including citizens and legal residents.  

It's a racial purge.  And every hispanic that voted for this might as well have put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger himself.

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21 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

 

 

This is a rather clumsy instance of something that worries me: the incentive to rat out neighbors or competitors and scoop up their property at a massive discount.

Right now, it’s immigrants. But they’ll eventually start jailing leftists, homosexuals, atheists, etc. And all it will take is one phone call from a shady realtor who’s had their eye on your house.

I fear this is coming. The administration will keep their cult happy by redistributing private property from enemies to allies. Because that’s essentially what fascism is: an opportunity for We to take power and wealth from Them. 

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23 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And every hispanic that voted for this might as well have put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger himself.

Yet another job taken away from white Americans.

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3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

We're really seeing a transformation of American democracy. When Trump can't get his way from within the system, he asks how he can change the system. You will need more House seats, create off cycle redistricting. You need lower interest rates, fire unfriendly Fed governors.

The one unknown is where this stops. If Trump wants to stay in power, why not just claim he can run again. Why not just suspend elections. Obviously he would create an emergency reason to allow him to do so. Today most likely a large percentage of Republicans would say that Trump can't run again. Give him 2 years to build the argument, and that percentage would drop dramatically.

Well, the redistricting plan would seem to be a post-Trump power-retention move.

I'm not convinced Rs can win elections nationwide without him.  And maybe not even more locally without his orange choad for them to gobble, Texas notwithstanding.

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8 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

This is a rather clumsy instance of something that worries me: the incentive to rat out neighbors or competitors and scoop up their property at a massive discount.

Right now, it’s immigrants. But they’ll eventually start jailing leftists, homosexuals, atheists, etc. And all it will take is one phone call from a shady realtor who’s had their eye on your house.

I fear this is coming. The administration will keep their cult happy by redistributing private property from enemies to allies. Because that’s essentially what fascism is: an opportunity for We to take power and wealth from Them. 

It doesn't even require clever/imaginative thinking to get to that conclusion.  Just 30 seconds of googling "what fucking fascist movement have historically done" or some simple shit like that.

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Just now, TwiceHorn said:

Well, the redistricting plan would seem to be a post-Trump power-retention move.

I'm not convinced Rs can win elections nationwide without him.  And maybe not even more locally without his orange choad for them to gobble, Texas notwithstanding.

First, yes they can.  Because their platform is "be super shitty to other people," and that is our dominant American ethos.

Second...dude.  We've had our last free and fair election.  We may have had our last presidential election altogether.  Odds of us actually having an election in 2028 are down to 50/50, and plummeting.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

First, yes they can.  Because their platform is "be super shitty to other people," and that is our dominant American ethos.

Second...dude.  We've had our last free and fair election.  We may have had our last presidential election altogether.  Odds of us actually having an election in 2028 are down to 50/50, and plummeting.

Why bother with redistricting, then?

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

It doesn't even require clever/imaginative thinking to get to that conclusion.  Just 30 seconds of googling "what fucking fascist movement have historically done" or some simple shit like that.

Agreed. But I’d be surprised if most Americans on the center or left even recognize this as a possibility.

Normalcy bias is a helluva drug. Most of us have lived in a rule-of-law bubble our entire lives and have no conception of just how shitty things can be. So when you suggest that even a basic fascist phenomenon might happen here, you might as well propose traveling through the extra 6 dimensions of string theory. 

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6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Why bother with redistricting, then?

 

3 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

Because in order for the plan to work he has to carry the midterms.

Bingo.

They still haven't fully consolidated power.  Once they capture a safe majority in both houses of Congress, then it's all over, and there's no going back.

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2 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

I tell people this and they look at me like I’m fucking crazy. Which… I am. But not about this. It’s clear as day what’s coming.

We aren’t having free and fair midterms next year. Gerrymandering is only one part of it. At the very least, I expect rigged processes and machines, limited polling times and locations, and an armed (and probably masked) military / LEO presence at the polls. Trump may even nullify Democrat victories. 

Correct on all points.  And this is really important: every fucking Republican and Republican voter will be fine with it, because the truth is, they hate this country and want to end it.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

Correct on all points.  And this is really important: every fucking Republican and Republican voter will be fine with it, because the truth is, they hate this country and want to end it.

Uh… I think you forget that it was the Democrats who destroyed everything Americans hold sacred about The Cracker Barrel. 

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6 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

To say Hitler wasn't grifting is way off base.  He was worth 3-5 billion dollars at his death in '45.  In '33 he had a worth in the thousands.

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1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

"Daddy went to all my soccer games! One day I hope to play for the Imperial Team!"

Our kids will be so very proud of our efforts to thwart the traitors who bring down the republic. 

typical strawman...  

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29 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Agreed. But I’d be surprised if most Americans on the center or left even recognize this as a possibility.

Normalcy bias is a helluva drug. Most of us have lived in a rule-of-law bubble our entire lives and have no conception of just how shitty things can be. So when you suggest that even a basic fascist phenomenon might happen here, you might as well propose traveling through the extra 6 dimensions of string theory. 

So let's just keep going to work every day.

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Jesus Christ.  That half of Americans worship as a god a man so pathetic that he needs an endless parade of simps gobbling his crank.

He is literally the least masculine, the least self-assured human to ever walk the earth.  Not least of all presidents, least of all human beings period.  He's the opposite of what a "real man" is by any rational measure, and they fucking simp for him.  A nation of pathetic simps.  They're right about one thing -- we DO have a crisis of masculinity.  Problem is, they don't realize that the problem is THEM.

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38 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

Because in order for the plan to work he has to carry the midterms.

This is absolutely the last line of defense. If he gets through the '26 midterms and still has a majority in the House and Senate, it's completely over. Trump will be in office until the day he dies. (I say this with no confidence that Dems can snag enough seats to take either chamber. I think they have the votes in a fair election but I do not believe they will be fair.)

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2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

a complete fuckign idiot ....

 

For the millionth time, we've just gone fully, completely, and totally insane.  Utterly disconnected from reality.

Cheese makes baseballs fly backwards.  An epidemic of bad craps-shooting has caused the Mongolian Lesser Flycatcher to develop an extra head.  Too many people reading books printed in Times Roman fonts has caused beef prices to skyrocket.  All of these things are happening "at levels never seen before."

If we created a random "stupid timeline generator," it still could never come up with a timeline as stupid as this one.  There simply isn't enough computing power in existence to get us there, artificially.

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15 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

a complete fuckign idiot ....

 

 

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

For the millionth time, we've just gone fully, completely, and totally insane.  Utterly disconnected from reality.

Cheese makes baseballs fly backwards.  An epidemic of bad craps-shooting has caused the Mongolian Lesser Flycatcher to develop an extra head.  Too many people reading books printed in Times Roman fonts has caused beef prices to skyrocket.  All of these things are happening "at levels never seen before."

If we created a random "stupid timeline generator," it still could never come up with a timeline as stupid as this one.  There simply isn't enough computing power in existence to get us there, artificially.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy

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It’s Time for Americans to Start Talking About “Soft Secession”

https://cmarmitage.substack.com/p/its-time-for-americans-to-start-talking?r=3agz2m&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

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Behind closed doors, blue state leaders are planning. They’re war-gaming scenarios where federal agents show up and continue to transgress further and further past what is “legal.” Daily the courts are showing that that something is legal when Trump wants it to happen, and illegal when he doesn’t. How does a government function under these circumstance?

For many state Attorney Generals and Governors, the legal briefs are already drafted. The strategy sessions have been running since December. “We saw this coming, even though we hoped it wouldn’t,” former Oregon Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum told The 19th days after Trump’s inauguration.

This is what American federalism looks like in 2025: Democratic governors holding emergency sessions on encrypted apps, attorneys general filing lawsuits within hours of executive orders, and state legislatures quietly passing laws that amount to nullification of federal mandates. Oregon is stockpiling abortion medication in secret warehouses. Illinois is exploring digital sovereignty. California has $76 billion in reserves and is deciding how to deploy it. Three sources on those daily Zoom calls between Democratic AGs say the same phrase keeps coming up, though nobody wants to say it publicly: soft secession.

Not the violent rupture of 1861, but something else entirely. Blue states building parallel systems, withholding cooperation, and creating facts on the ground that render federal authority meaningless within their borders.

The infrastructure for this resistance already exists. Twenty-three Democratic attorneys general now gather on near-daily Zoom calls at 8 AM Pacific, which means the East Coast officials are already on their third coffee. They divide responsibilities and share templates for lawsuits they’ve been drafting since last spring.

California Governor Gavin Newsom called state lawmakers into a special session later this year to protect the state’s progressive policies, while Illinois Governor J.B. Pritzker launched Governors Safeguarding Democracy, seeking to unify state-based opposition to Trump’s agenda. Rob Bonta, California’s attorney general, describes preparations so thorough that challenging Trump’s birthright citizenship order required only to “cross the T’s, dot the I’s, press print, and file.”

Currently, Massachusetts sends $4,846 more per capita to the federal government than it gets back. New Jersey and Washington are in the same position, bleeding thousands per person annually. Over five years, New York alone contributed $142.6 billion more than it received. Meanwhile, red states pocket $1.24 for every dollar they send to Washington. Blue states are essentially paying red states to undermine democracy.

This economic reality gives blue states leverage they’ve only begun to explore. California has accumulated $76 billion in reserves. The Bank of North Dakota, profitable every year since 1919, offers a model for state banking that could reduce federal dependence. When Trump threatened to cut funding from Maine over transgender sports policies, Governor Janet Mills had 22 other Democratic governors ready to stand with her, collectively representing the majority of America’s economic output.

Massachusetts Governor Maura Healey told MSNBC her state police would “absolutely not” help Trump’s deportation efforts. She’s not bluffing. In Printz v. United States (1997), Justice Scalia wrote that the federal government “cannot require states and localities to carry out its immigration policy.” The anti-commandeering doctrine, reinforced in Murphy v. NCAA (2018), means states can’t be forced to implement federal programs.

The legal foundation for soft secession was written by conservative justices who never imagined blue states would use it. Yale Law Professor Heather Gerken calls it “uncooperative federalism.” States don’t have to actively resist. They can simply refuse to help. And without state cooperation, much of the federal government’s agenda becomes unenforceable.

We’ve seen this playbook work before. Northern states’ personal liberty laws made the Fugitive Slave Act virtually unenforceable between 1780 and 1859, with only 330 slaves returned despite federal law. More recently, cannabis legalization has spread to 41 states despite federal prohibition, forcing Washington to essentially give up. When 25 states refused to implement REAL ID requirements starting in 2007, they delayed enforcement by nearly two decades.

A case in Washington state shows just how far this has gone. The state Attorney General is now seeking an injunction against Adams County Sheriff for cooperating with federal immigration enforcement, arguing he’s violating state law. The sheriff faces a choice: follow federal directives or state law. Increasingly, state officials are choosing their states.

Eight states have already enacted State Voting Rights Acts that exceed federal protections. Twenty-two states have implemented automatic voter registration. Colorado has created what election security experts call the gold standard: risk-limiting audits with paper ballot requirements.

New York Attorney General Letitia James, who successfully sued Trump during his first term, promised she’s “ready to fight back again.” During Trump’s first term, Democratic attorneys general led more than 130 multistate lawsuits against the administration and won 83 percent of them.

Texas has been running this exact playbook for years. Operation Lone Star achieved an 87% reduction in border crossings through state action alone, regardless of federal immigration policy. Nearly 46% of U.S. counties have declared themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries.

Blue states are finally learning what red states have known all along: you don’t need federal permission to govern.

Pritzker has his staff exploring how to force Apple and Google to disable location tracking for anyone crossing into Illinois for medical procedures, preventing any digital trail that could be subpoenaed. Multiple governors are studying whether they can legally deny federal agents access to state databases, airports, and even highways for immigration enforcement. The discussions, according to sources, have gone as far as evaluating state authority to close airspace to federal deportation flights. States are creating pharmaceutical stockpiles, climate agreements, immigration policies. The National Popular Vote Interstate Compact has secured 209 electoral votes. The Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative’s 11 states have reduced emissions by 50% while the federal government rolled back climate regulations. The U.S. Climate Alliance’s 24 governors represent 60% of the American economy.

California doesn’t wait for Washington anymore. Neither does New York. Or Illinois. They’re building functioning governmental systems that operate independently of federal authority.

“Really, we have no idea what’s coming down the pike,” Kansas Governor Laura Kelly, chair of the Democratic Governors Association, admitted to CNN. That uncertainty is why states are preparing for everything. Multiple governors have been running tabletop exercises behind closed doors for months, with state attorneys general and other relevant officials. One participant described a December session where they walked through scenarios of federal troops being deployed to blue states.

The preparations are specific and practical. Draft lawsuits sit ready in what officials call “brief banks.” States are identifying which federal funds they can afford to lose. They’re studying their executive powers and state constitutions. They’re building coalitions that transcend traditional partisan lines. Pritzker claims some Republican governors have quietly expressed interest in collaboration, though he won’t say which ones, leaving observers to wonder if he’s protecting sources or bluffing.

“Democrats in Congress, even if they really want to do things, what you can do in the minority is quite limited,” strategist Arkadi Gerney observed. “But these governors have the opportunity to actually run their states very differently from how the president is running the country.”

The paradox of American federalism in 2025: the same constitutional structure that allows red states to ban abortion permits blue states to stockpile abortion pills. The same Tenth Amendment that lets Texas deploy its National Guard to the border prevents Trump from commandeering state police for deportations.

We’re not heading toward another Fort Sumter. We’re watching something else: states quietly walking away from each other. Blue states will protect abortion rights, support organized labor, and protect individual rights. Red states will allow Christian theocracy, suppress wages, and criminalize free speech, and destroy healthcare. The federal government becomes a hollow structure that states have a moral impreative to ignore.

Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear, who won reelection in a state Trump carried by 31 points, insists “the concept of common ground and common sense is what this country is looking for.” But common ground requires both sides to show up. And increasingly, they’re not.

The phrase “soft secession” makes Democrats nervous. They prefer “resistance” or “federalism” or any other euphemism that doesn’t acknowledge what’s happening. But when democracy fails, when fair elections become impossible in certain states, when federal funds are withheld as political punishment, states don’t have many options left.

The infrastructure is built. The legal precedents are established. The money is there. Blue states have spent two years sharpening these tools. Next week, the governors meet again. The agenda, according to three sources, includes a discussion of whether to coordinate state tax policy to offset federal cuts.

As blue states prepare to deny federal agents access to their databases, their highways, maybe even their airspace, the soft secession isn’t coming. It’s here.

 

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10 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Does Secretary Heroin McBrainworms actually believe this is or is this just insanely pandering to his even stupider boss?

And this is a pretty good response to that tweet:

 

 

he's high af 

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15 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Jesus Christ.  That half of Americans worship as a god a man so pathetic that he needs an endless parade of simps gobbling his crank.

He is literally the least masculine, the least self-assured human to ever walk the earth.  Not least of all presidents, least of all human beings period.  He's the opposite of what a "real man" is by any rational measure, and they fucking simp for him.  A nation of pathetic simps.  They're right about one thing -- we DO have a crisis of masculinity.  Problem is, they don't realize that the problem is THEM.

This is why I describe what has happened as the biggest mental health crisis in history.  A clear as day legitimate narcissist wrangled in millions of flying monkeys, and ALL of them have been projecting and gaslighting the rest of America for a decade. "America First" mean Americans last. People that now live in an anti-truth reality saying "facts don't care about your feelings." Empathy is weakness. Science is fake. They mangled the meaning of "woke" and weaponized it. Deeply disturbed males with untreated childhood trauma masquerading as "alphas".

 

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50 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

But it is more than that. Y'all aren't thinking on a long enough timeline. 

They want to destroy modern secular scientific civilization ... harm/hurt/humiliate/kill as many liberals, women, urbanites, smart people, and people of color of people as possible ... and pillage and pollute the entire planet ... the apocalypse before the imaginary Rapture to join their Sky Daddy Trump in eternity.

We are far beyond the point of no return. 

MAGA-America is absolutely accelerating the 6th Mass Extinction Event on Planet Earth.

And it’s pretty much what we deserve. If this doesn’t take care of the current society, Gaia will. 

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On 8/20/2025 at 9:47 PM, tx 3 putt said:

 

All the portraits are of Confederate Generals and politicians.  

 

 

On 8/21/2025 at 4:55 PM, Pancho said:

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Season 6 What GIF by The Office

The best part of that sign is that it's a pictograph for hicks who don't read good. It's literally a cracker sitting next to a barrel.

 

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4 hours ago, Nivek said:

They never believed in any of that.   Just like they never gave a flying fuck about Jesus, abortion, family values, kids, the future, America, Americans, etc.  They never held any values other than enrich the elite, oppress the oppressed, rig everything in their favor, norms and rules are for suckers.  That was their real fucking platform. 

The rich low key did a wonderful job picking the issues that would most appeal to the biggest dumbasses in the 99% so as to dupe them into voting for the benefit of the 1%.

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Does Secretary Heroin McBrainworms actually believe this is or is this just insanely pandering to his even stupider boss?

And this is a pretty good response to that tweet:

 

The problem here seems to be that there is an excess of whale death around the world for which marine biologists have no explanation.  The usual cause of net and trash entanglement and vessel strikes provides a partial explanation. https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/national/marine-life-distress/2017-2025-north-atlantic-right-whale-unusual-mortality-event https://www.calacademy.org/press/releases/california-academy-of-sciences-confirms-24-dead-whales-in-the-san-francisco-bay-area

Professor Whalejuice is more than happy to supply the explanation, given his intimate familiarity with driving minivans with whale heads atop them.

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9 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

fuck bay county. i would never go back there, even if i was legally allowed to do so, which is murky at this point.

Stay the fuck out of Bay County, Lebowski!

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25 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

The problem here seems to be that there is an excess of whale death around the world for which marine biologists have no explanation.  The usual cause of net and trash entanglement and vessel strikes provides a partial explanation. https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/national/marine-life-distress/2017-2025-north-atlantic-right-whale-unusual-mortality-event https://www.calacademy.org/press/releases/california-academy-of-sciences-confirms-24-dead-whales-in-the-san-francisco-bay-area

Professor Whalejuice is more than happy to supply the explanation, given his intimate familiarity with driving minivans with whale heads atop them.

If only we knew what ocean temps have done over the last thirty years or so.  It's a real god damn fucking mystery.

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55 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

troubling ....

 

Laying the groundwork for overturning or nullifying the results of an election that doesn't go MAGA's way.

#1 Enact rules to make it harder for voters who are not MAGA to register or vote.  (Restrictive voter ID measures, selectively control polling locations, eliminate early voting, mail voting, etc.).  

#2 Make rules that dilute the influence of those voters, if they still manage to vote.  (Gerrymandering, electoral college, etc.)

#3  Establish mechanisms to overturn elections with an outcome you don't like, in case you still lose in spite of #1 and #2,

#4  Do away with elections altogether?

 

 

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