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2 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Watching a livestream, and there's a comment "God sent the floods"

That's a dipshit thing to say, and yet I'm certain people said that for Superstorm Sandy and again when people drowned in their basement apartments due to a similar tropical remnant torrent in 2021 (Hurricane Ida).

Supposing you were the sort of person to believe that natural disasters were a sign of God's wrath, what message would God be sending and to whom?

You dont remember Evangelicals rejoicing for Katrina "cleansing" New Orleans? 

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7 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

So the county commissioners in 2016 debated putting in sirens and said nah?

Tommy Boy retired as commissioner in 2017.  Not sure how the potential for disaster was addressed, but I imagine there will be someone combing through the Comm. Court minutes to piece it together.

https://www.hccommunityjournal.com/community_life/article_8db919ae-d772-11e6-8de2-db22ecc8f224.html

 

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2 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

Tommy Boy retired as commissioner in 2017.  Not sure how the potential for disaster was addressed, but I imagine there will be someone combing through the Comm. Court minutes to piece it together.

https://www.hccommunityjournal.com/community_life/article_8db919ae-d772-11e6-8de2-db22ecc8f224.html

 

To all of them who kicked the can, and every useless politician since then who could have fixed it and didn't:

Spoiler

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3 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

I fucking do.  I evacuated to my wife’s cousin’s house in North Louisiana- we were watching the city flood after the levee breaches when some Dipshit friend of theirs said it was God’s judgment for the sinful ways of New Orleans.   I screwed up and sort of shoved him a little first as I swung at him - so my punch did not land.   He literally ran out the door, and thankfully did not call the cops.  To this day I wish I’d decked him.

Yep, there was a lot of it.  I would say the rejoicing was mostly racists but I also have very religious friends who said it was God's judgment. I pointed out that the Bible says God said he wouldn't use a flood to punish mankind again and they had no idea what I was talking about.

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7 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

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Got a MAGA friend who believes anything he sees that grok says and am debating sending him this...will put his brain in a blender

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Just now, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Got a MAGA friend who believes anything he sees that grok says and am debating sending him this...will put is brain in a blender

"Trump and Musk might have killed them, but it was an accident and better than Biden sending them to be trafficked by illegals and killed with fentanyl"

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33 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Watching a livestream, and there's a comment "God sent the floods"

That's a dipshit thing to say, and yet I'm certain people said that for Superstorm Sandy and again when people drowned in their basement apartments due to a similar tropical remnant torrent in 2021 (Hurricane Ida).

Supposing you were the sort of person to believe that natural disasters were a sign of God's wrath, what message would God be sending and to whom?

texas isn't doing enough to stop trans surgery for immigrant prisoners obviously

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6 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

Got a MAGA friend who believes anything he sees that grok says and am debating sending him this...will put his brain in a blender

Maybe you should.  Putting any MAGA brain in a blender is just a chance to fix things, not like it’s gonna get dumber.  

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1 hour ago, troph said:

Are you kidding ? A flood prone river with cabins literally feet from the banks. If I owned that camp I’d take EVERY rain event seriously and I’d be up making sure those campers were safe. Government is the fail safe and should come in to help but management and ownership did NOTHING until it was too late. They didn’t wake them up, they didn’t call first responders asking for help, NOTHING.

45 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

I am going to assume CodeRed is a cheaper alternative to Reverse 911 and the county didn't spend much money getting people to opt in.

 

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Seems clear to me there should have been an important role for the state and county or city. At the very least there needs to be a way to ensure that emergency alerts get filtered to the people in the county, and that businesses have an effective and viable evac plan. Both the state of Texas and the county have mismanaged their alert systems. The camp probably should not have been allowed to legally operate, especially with 1,000 kids and apparently completely mismanaged and/or relying on counselors who are very young and inexperienced themselves. 

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I'm losing hope.  This has gone on too long.  Any survivors found at this point should be considered miracles.  Call me reactionary and irrational, but I have plenty of fingers to point and almost as many targets.  Fuck.

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8 minutes ago, Chopper said:

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Seems clear to me there should have been an important role for the state and county or city. At the very least there needs to be a way to ensure that emergency alerts get filtered to the people in the county, and that businesses have an effective and viable evac plan. Both the state of Texas and the county have mismanaged their alert systems. The camp probably should not have been allowed to legally operate, especially with 1,000 kids and apparently completely mismanaged and/or relying on counselors who are very young and inexperienced themselves. 

 

how do you verify everyone on the river saw the alert, on every flash flood alert ? 

then what ?

we're talking about a state govt that won't mandate vaccines but they need to go around and make sure you saw the flash flood alert. the current state and federal are very much against these alerts, they say it promotes global warming lies !!!!!

less weather reports = less global warming bs 

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8 minutes ago, Chopper said:

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Seems clear to me there should have been an important role for the state and county or city. At the very least there needs to be a way to ensure that emergency alerts get filtered to the people in the county, and that businesses have an effective and viable evac plan. Both the state of Texas and the county have mismanaged their alert systems. The camp probably should not have been allowed to legally operate, especially with 1,000 kids and apparently completely mismanaged and/or relying on counselors who are very young and inexperienced themselves. 

Those are fair points but personal responsibility first. My ass would be up watching the weather. I mean I’m in San Miguel fucking Mexico and I’m watching the centex weather. Absolutely no excuse for the camp’s failure BEFORE any blame goes to the government.

8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm losing hope.  This has gone on too long.  Any survivors found at this point should be considered miracles.  Call me reactionary and irrational, but I have plenty of fingers to point and almost as many targets.  Fuck.

They were goners around sun down last night if not sooner. 

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12 minutes ago, troph said:

Those are fair points but personal responsibility first. My ass would be up watching the weather. I mean I’m in San Miguel fucking Mexico and I’m watching the centex weather. Absolutely no excuse for the camp’s failure BEFORE any blame goes to the government.

Apparently the state of Texas limited its warnings to xitter and perhaps facebook. They didn't send a cellphone alert. The sheriffs didn't roll through town with their PA systems blasting. There was no other emergency warning system - Just postings on 2 shitty social media sites that barely anyone uses, and which they certainly don't receive emergency alerts from. 

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3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

camps and schools of severe situations in unincorporated areas.

every river that drains off the balcones is at risk for this same event

it's not new

1987 guadalupe, crested at 29 feet, 10 kids died

1998 guadalupe, cuero was flooded although 2.5 miles from the river

2015 blanco, 13 dead

dude on cnn comes on while i'm typing this and says exactly what i just typed

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1 minute ago, Chopper said:

Apparently the state of Texas limited its warnings to xitter and perhaps facebook. They didn't send a cellphone alert. The sheriffs didn't roll through town with their PA systems blasting. There was no other emergency warning system - Just postings on 2 shitty social media sites that barely anyone uses, and which they certainly don't receive emergency alerts from. 

So you rely on Texas and local government to tell you to be vigilant?

the camp knew or should have known remnants of a tropical storm was causing the rain, NWS issued watches and warnings and their camp was dangerously close to the river. That alone is enough to be extra cautious. They didn’t need the state or locals for that part, they just didn’t. 

And Texas and Kerr county need to do better. 

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Cbs Austin forecast and if you rewatch he says tropical storm that’s going to move slowly over the hill country and could drop tremendous amounts of rain. The future radar even shows rotation.  People just flat out ignored this. Across the board. Heads need to fucking roll. 
 

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57 minutes ago, troph said:

So you rely on Texas and local government to tell you to be vigilant?

 

I wouldn't/don't and that's not what I said. I'm saying significant fault lays at the state's feet for this and so many other natural and environmental tragedies. There's actual shitholes run more professionally than Texas. 

Governments have open records, public budgets, public meetings, officials who are SUPPOSED to manage them for the public's benefits.  I realize that's not how things are in Texas but a private corporation does none of that. The expectation to be able to trust some corporation with you or your kids' lives rather than the gov't seems kinda crazy. 

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39 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

every river that drains off the balcones is at risk for this same event

it's not new

1987 guadalupe, crested at 29 feet, 10 kids died

1998 guadalupe, cuero was flooded although 2.5 miles from the river

2015 blanco, 13 dead

dude on cnn comes on while i'm typing this and says exactly what i just typed

Not to be insensitive, but maybe Texans (and humans in general) are just bad at critical thinking. 

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5 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:


As someone who was raised in a Christian household and is no longer of that persuasion, I really struggle with the prayer stuff in these situations. I’m not saying this to be contentious or an asshole (even though Greg Abbott can get fucked), but really just from a religious or philosophical frustration that’s on a long list of reasons that turned me away from church.

How do you say prayers work when children are dead and other children are missing? Did those families not pray enough? Did God not love those children and their families?

My heart aches for the families involved in this and everyone in their extended orbit. Very somber in our household and I’ve hugged my own child so much and been so attached to her and thankful for our family’s safety. I just don’t understand how such a horrific event can be followed up with “prayer works” when families are without their children.

From my time in the church, I assume this goes back to the idea that all have sinned and deserve death, and it’s only by the grace of God that some people get to live and go on to heaven. So the dead people got what they deserved or something like that. I don’t know but that doesn’t work for me when God apparently made this world and everyone in it and rigged this game in a way that most people ultimately lose. If a human did that we would call them a sociopath.

Sorry I’m rambling and I apologize if this is the wrong time or place or inappropriate in the immediate aftermath. Having an elected leader say “prayer works” is a little bit triggering on a topic I always struggle with.

Nothing wrong with what you said. These people are charlatans and sociopaths. 

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As someone who was raised in a Christian household and is no longer of that persuasion, I really struggle with the prayer stuff in these situations. I’m not saying this to be contentious or an asshole (even though Greg Abbott can get fucked), but really just from a religious or philosophical frustration that’s on a long list of reasons that turned me away from church.

How do you say prayers work when children are dead and other children are missing? Did those families not pray enough? Did God not love those children and their families?

My heart aches for the families involved in this and everyone in their extended orbit. Very somber in our household and I’ve hugged my own child so much and been so attached to her and thankful for our family’s safety. I just don’t understand how such a horrific event can be followed up with “prayer works” when families are without their children.

From my time in the church, I assume this goes back to the idea that all have sinned and deserve death, and it’s only by the grace of God that some people get to live and go on to heaven. So the dead people got what they deserved or something like that. I don’t know but that doesn’t work for me when God apparently made this world and everyone in it and rigged this game in a way that most people ultimately lose. If a human did that we would call them a sociopath.

Sorry I’m rambling and I apologize if this is the wrong time or place or inappropriate in the immediate aftermath. Having an elected leader say “prayer works” is a little bit triggering on a topic I always struggle with.

My ordained wife was visibly enraged when I shared Abbott’s comment with her. Her first criticism was much like yours: what, did the families who lost kids not pray hard enough?
The fucking lazy, and flat-out evil in that callous theology is horrific.
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Let me start by saying that I’m not religious. I have no problem with prayer. For individuals, I equate prayer to meditation or other forms of self-centering. It’s a moment of quiet reflection and reducing the external noise. Suggesting that prayer impacts outcomes, good or bad, is nuts and I don’t think even Jesus would say that their wishes didn’t come true because they didn’t pray hard enough. This isn’t rubbing a genie’s lamp and getting three wishes shit.

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17 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


My ordained wife was visibly enraged when I shared Abbott’s comment with her. Her first criticism was much like yours: what, did the families who lost kids not pray hard enough?
The fucking lazy, and flat-out evil in that callous theology is horrific.

Your wife is the type of clergy that I would love to have dinner with over multiple bottles of wine discussing how we got to this place. I bailed, but I commend her for keeping the faith in a world where Christianity has become hijacked by political terrorists.

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34 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

You right now.

 

What possesses you to start posting your bullshit again when you haven’t posted in six months?

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Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, NWBuck said:

SIAP... Holy shit.

 

Fucking hell. From almost nothing to above the roadway in less than 40 minutes, on a bridge that looks 30-40' high.

I told my wife earlier that -esp with this being July 4th weekend - there were probably a whole lot of campers missing that aren't even being counted yet as 'missing', so I don't think they even have a good idea yet how many are actually missing. Then we saw a video at an RV park where there had been 28 RVs parked. They all got washed away. Unknown how many people made it out. Many of them - sometimes whole families - got washed downstream even with people trying their best to rescue them. And that's at an RV park. Now think of all the people who just roll up in their car  and pitch a tent.
 
I'm sure we haven't even come close to learning the true extent of this horrific disaster.

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5 minutes ago, wood said:

Fucking hell. From almost nothing to above the roadway in less than 40 minutes, on a bridge that looks 30-40' high.

I told my wife earlier that -esp with this being July 4th weekend - there were probably a whole lot of campers missing that aren't even being counted yet as 'missing', so I don't think they even have a good idea yet how many are actually missing. Then we saw a video at an RV park where there had been 28 RVs parked. They all got washed away. Unknown how many people made it out. Many of them - sometimes whole families - got washed downstream even with people trying their best to rescue them. And that's at an RV park. Now think of all the people who just roll up in their car  and pitch a tent.
 
I'm sure we haven't even come close to learning the true extent of this horrific disaster.

 

i'll guess that every rv park and camp site was sold out 

family members will be asking  out them 

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3 hours ago, Chopper said:

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Seems clear to me there should have been an important role for the state and county or city. At the very least there needs to be a way to ensure that emergency alerts get filtered to the people in the county, and that businesses have an effective and viable evac plan. Both the state of Texas and the county have mismanaged their alert systems. The camp probably should not have been allowed to legally operate, especially with 1,000 kids and apparently completely mismanaged and/or relying on counselors who are very young and inexperienced themselves. 

 

3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

how do you verify everyone on the river saw the alert, on every flash flood alert ? 

then what ?

we're talking about a state govt that won't mandate vaccines but they need to go around and make sure you saw the flash flood alert. the current state and federal are very much against these alerts, they say it promotes global warming lies !!!!!

less weather reports = less global warming bs 

Counties and school districts and rural hospital districts have been asked to do more and more with less and less.  This is a result of our republicans continuing to reduce property taxes to insure re-relection.  Schools, roads, hospitals, county services are all expected to pick up the slack.   It's rampant.  Not just schools, emergency response, distaster preparedness, but it includes things like election expenses too that are accrued while they dream up new ways to suppress votes.  Year after year the strain has been pushed onto rural counties and they keep losing good election administrators due to just being fucking tired of the bullshit.  I can imagine the same thing for disaster preparedness.  And so much of that is heaped onto volunteers.   It's fucking insane.   And on top of that, they keep taking more and more control from local governments.  My county judge, a republican, actually went to Austin to testify why eliminating county wide voting was insane.  He's very pissed that Austin keeps grabbing more power and leaving his commissioner's court pushing the shit cart at the end of the parade.

You'd think all these commissioners who have to deal with this regularly would stand up and throw down.  But they won't.   They throw half ass measures at things with complete certainty there will never be a school shooting or train derailment that poisons a whole town.  At least not in their county.  It is just madness.  Much like driving and X amount of fatalities each year is normalized.  We are normalized to it, and even though so many rural Texans will play the lottery every day, assured their day is coming, they can't see the odds of catastrophe are much more likely.  Especially now with reduced funding going into research and regulation.  

 

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12 minutes ago, wood said:

Fucking hell. From almost nothing to above the roadway in less than 40 minutes, on a bridge that looks 30-40' high.

I told my wife earlier that -esp with this being July 4th weekend - there were probably a whole lot of campers missing that aren't even being counted yet as 'missing', so I don't think they even have a good idea yet how many are actually missing. Then we saw a video at an RV park where there had been 28 RVs parked. They all got washed away. Unknown how many people made it out. Many of them - sometimes whole families - got washed downstream even with people trying their best to rescue them. And that's at an RV park. Now think of all the people who just roll up in their car  and pitch a tent.
 
I'm sure we haven't even come close to learning the true extent of this horrific disaster.

Yes, I was talking to a friend who lives in Kerrville.  She said all the campgrounds were loaded.   Lots of unknowns.  

I was surprised we didn't see more housing debris or tents piling up at that bridge.  

That is a huge watershed between Hunt and Canyon Lake.  It's going to ring up some astronomical damages.  Hopefully the folks downstream got better warning in a more timely effort.

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5 hours ago, Chopper said:

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Seems clear to me there should have been an important role for the state and county or city. At the very least there needs to be a way to ensure that emergency alerts get filtered to the people in the county, and that businesses have an effective and viable evac plan. Both the state of Texas and the county have mismanaged their alert systems. The camp probably should not have been allowed to legally operate, especially with 1,000 kids and apparently completely mismanaged and/or relying on counselors who are very young and inexperienced themselves. 

The hubris of that graphic is really something.  Hopefully NB is never put to the test that Kerrville just was.

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6 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

A competent state government would revisit licensing rules and regulations specifically as it comes to disaster preparedness for sleepaway camps near bodies of water. 

Job-killing big-government rules and regulations. Nowadays this is known as communism. 

Posted
4 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

Sorry I’m rambling and I apologize if this is the wrong time or place or inappropriate in the immediate aftermath. Having an elected leader say “prayer works” is a little bit triggering on a topic I always struggle with.

Of course you are. We just watched a bunch of little girls die at a Christian camp on the Fourth of July and our Governor is telling us to pray. This is considered leadership in 2025. 

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