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4 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

My general impression of Kerrville is funds can be found for this but less so for actual life-saving government services. 

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That is satanic as fuck

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16 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Hyperbole, not a joke. I went to one of these camps for 5 years, there is absolutely no way you could have evacuated everyone without a better emergency warning system in place. The existing one is a joke and doesn't tell you shit. They aren't going to evacuate a whole camp full of people based on it is what I was trying to say.

Well, one thing, Cypress Lake, no more than a mile down the road, seems to have been undamaged or at least no injuries/fatalities.  Chopper found the FEMA map and it's entirely out of the floodplain, while Guadelupe is square in it.  The evacuation didn't have to be into town or whatever, just to higher ground.  

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5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think you are mostly right.

But those camps are also a fixture down there and probably the highest-population-density areas outside Kerrville proper for 50-60 miles in any direction.

It prompts the question why local officials didn't get off their asses, call all the camps, or hell, stop by, and say, "hey, you know what's going on with the weather, right?  Do you have a plan?  If not, let's make one right now."

Right. Like what the fuck else does the Kerr County sheriff’s department have to do that’s more important at that time?

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20 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think you are mostly right.

But those camps are also a fixture down there and probably the highest-population-density areas outside Kerrville proper for 50-60 miles in any direction.

It prompts the question why local officials didn't get off their asses, call all the camps, or hell, stop by, and say, "hey, you know what's going on with the weather, right?  Do you have a plan?  If not, let's make one right now."

Yeah this isn’t rocket science, all of this is plain as day. 

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47 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Hyperbole, not a joke. I went to one of these camps for 5 years, there is absolutely no way you could have evacuated everyone without a better emergency warning system in place. The existing one is a joke and doesn't tell you shit. They aren't going to evacuate a whole camp full of people based on it is what I was trying to say.

Yet it seems some of the other camps did evacuate and get their kids to safety.  I'm not familiar with enrollment numbers so maybe those other camps were much smaller and it was easier for them to manage.

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30 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Right. Like what the fuck else does the Kerr County sheriff’s department have to do that’s more important at that time?

Cruise around town making sure no scary brown people are roaming the streets?

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Since I didn't grow up in TX, I just don't get this "camp culture" y'all have.  Seeing that there are camp reunion committees, camp alumni chat groups, etc. just seems weird as fuck to an outsider.

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2 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Since I didn't grow up in TX, I just don't get this "camp culture" y'all have.  Seeing that there are camp reunion committees, camp alumni chat groups, etc. just seems weird as fuck to an outsider.

Wait 'till you hear about the culture at "Fish Camp".

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4 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Since I didn't grow up in TX, I just don't get this "camp culture" y'all have.  Seeing that there are camp reunion committees, camp alumni chat groups, etc. just seems weird as fuck to an outsider.

 

boy scout summer camps were the highlights of my summers growing up 

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4 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Since I didn't grow up in TX, I just don't get this "camp culture" y'all have.  Seeing that there are camp reunion committees, camp alumni chat groups, etc. just seems weird as fuck to an outsider.

I’ve lived in Texas for my entire 50+ years and I had zero knowledge of the camps around kerrville until Friday. I would guess >95% of Texans have no clue about this culture.

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Just now, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I’ve lived in Texas for my entire 50+ years and I had zero knowledge of the camps around kerrville until Friday. I would guess >95% of Texans have no clue about this culture.

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5 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Since I didn't grow up in TX, I just don't get this "camp culture" y'all have.  Seeing that there are camp reunion committees, camp alumni chat groups, etc. just seems weird as fuck to an outsider.

 

This probably isn't the best comparison, but I'd say that in some ways, it's psychologically like being on a sports team. You're part of a group doing something intense together that builds strong bonds and creates lasting memories for a specific period of time, and under the guidance of coaches / camp counselors.

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This probably isn't the best comparison, but I'd say that in some ways, it's psychologically like being on a sports team. You're part of a group doing something intense together that builds strong bonds and creates lasting memories for a specific period of time, and under the guidance of coaches / camp counselors.

It’s more akin to another group you belong to — a fraternity or sorority or a student body on a much smaller basis. There are people who have their “camp friends” in addition to their traditional friends back home and at school.

When I got to UT, there were people who knew each other from Camp Longhorn or whatever and had never seen each other or spoken outside of camp. We didn’t have ways to readily stay in touch with each other once you left camp back in the 80’s.
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Here’s the Mo Ranch story:

It was about 1 a.m. on the Fourth of July when the facilities manager at a central Texas summer camp saw water from the Guadalupe River steadily rising amid a deluge of rain.

Aroldo Barrera notified his boss, who had been monitoring reports of the storms approaching Presbyterian Mo-Ranch Assembly, a recreation destination where an intercultural youth conference had been called off early just hours earlier.

Despite an absence of warning by local authorities, camp officials acted quickly on their own, relocating about 70 children and adults staying overnight in a building near the river. With the kids safe, camp leaders including President and CEO Tim Huchton were able to avoid the catastrophe that hit at least one other camp near Hunt, where the 500-acre Mo-Ranch is located.

“They helped them pack up,” Lisa Winters, communications director for Mo-Ranch, told The Associated Press on Sunday. “They got them up, they got them out, put them up on higher ground.”
 

They had a plan and executed it.  In another report I heard they actually moved a bunch of kayaks and canoes to higher ground also.  The same thought process probably went on at La Junta as well.  To @troph’s point all the camps should have an emergency plan and drill on it before any kids show up. It’s government’s job to require they have it in place and provide adequate warning. 
 


I was on the board at Mo for several years, including when Tim was camp director (he left for a while, then we brought him back as president).
We’d experienced minor (but still scary) flooding in the past, and there have also been fires in the area.
As a board, we spent some time - not a lot, it didn’t take a lot - on disaster planning. What do we do if the ranch gets cut off by a fire? What do we do if there’s a flood? Even “what do we do if there’s a medical emergency here in the sticks?” BTW, we signed a contract with a medical evacuation chopper service for the last one. It’s saved at least one life from what I understand.
And Tim is damned good at what he does, he’s a real pro. So, yeah, there are ways to do disaster planning at such facilities right. There’s no way to be ready for everything, but you need to have a good team and empower them to take action.
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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


I was on the board at Mo for several years, including when Tim was camp director (he left for a while, then we brought him back as president).
We’d experienced minor (but still scary) flooding in the past, and there have also been fires in the area.
As a board, we spent some time - not a lot, it didn’t take a lot - on disaster planning. What do we do if the ranch gets cut off by a fire? What do we do if there’s a flood? Even “what do we do if there’s a medical emergency here in the sticks?” BTW, we signed a contract with a medical evacuation chopper service for the last one. It’s saved at least one life from what I understand.
And Tim is damned good at what he does, he’s a real pro. So, yeah, there are ways to do disaster planning at such facilities right. There’s no way to be ready for everything, but you need to have a good team and empower them to take action.

I don't want to unnecessarily shit on Mystic ownership/management, by most accounts they were pretty good at running a camp for a long time.

But, from that TM article, they might have gotten a little full of themselves over the recent years and complacent.

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6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


I was on the board at Mo for several years, including when Tim was camp director (he left for a while, then we brought him back as president).
We’d experienced minor (but still scary) flooding in the past, and there have also been fires in the area.
As a board, we spent some time - not a lot, it didn’t take a lot - on disaster planning. What do we do if the ranch gets cut off by a fire? What do we do if there’s a flood? Even “what do we do if there’s a medical emergency here in the sticks?” BTW, we signed a contract with a medical evacuation chopper service for the last one. It’s saved at least one life from what I understand.
And Tim is damned good at what he does, he’s a real pro. So, yeah, there are ways to do disaster planning at such facilities right. There’s no way to be ready for everything, but you need to have a good team and empower them to take action.

My kids all went to Mo Ranch. Relieved to see they had competent staff. Although from what I recall all of their buildings are on somewhat higher ground than the river. 

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3 hours ago, Pancho said:

Hold him accountable 

 

A reminder that Republic cans have controlled this state for over thirty years. Whatever fault, in this tragedy, that is on government, both state and county, is on that money grubbing party of bootlickers.

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1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

‘likely’

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“I can tell you in hindsight, watching what it takes to deal with a disaster like this, my vote would probably be different now,” the freshman GOP lawmaker said.

In hindsight, his vote would probably be different? Way to take a stance there Virdell. I bet your constituents will feel the same about their votes for you.

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35 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

My kids all went to Mo Ranch. Relieved to see they had competent staff. Although from what I recall all of their buildings are on somewhat higher ground than the river. 

Most of them are.  But River Dorm and Guest Lodge are down low (Guest Lodge has even taken on water once in the past, IIRC).  Some campers for specific events will be in either of those two places.  Summer Camp generally has the campers in Loma Linda, which is indeed on higher ground.

Also, in recent years, with additional cell towers in the area, there's decent cell coverage on site, which helps.

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


I was on the board at Mo for several years, including when Tim was camp director (he left for a while, then we brought him back as president).
We’d experienced minor (but still scary) flooding in the past, and there have also been fires in the area.
As a board, we spent some time - not a lot, it didn’t take a lot - on disaster planning. What do we do if the ranch gets cut off by a fire? What do we do if there’s a flood? Even “what do we do if there’s a medical emergency here in the sticks?” BTW, we signed a contract with a medical evacuation chopper service for the last one. It’s saved at least one life from what I understand.
And Tim is damned good at what he does, he’s a real pro. So, yeah, there are ways to do disaster planning at such facilities right. There’s no way to be ready for everything, but you need to have a good team and empower them to take action.

I went to MO several times in the mid 70s.  Brisket can correct me, but I remember it being a retreat for Marathon Oil?  Some oil company or another.  It was a great camp compared to the scout camps I attended.  They have this old water slide there that was super fun.  There's a video of it attached.  But when we used it, there were no walls on either side.  The pain in the ass was hauling that wooden luge thing back up, so the second year we brought some rope, a pulley and some barbell weights. We used that to pull the cart back up the track instead of lugging it.  worked pretty well.  

That was a really fun and clean camp.  All presbyterian run, and they were even laxer than the methodists at that time.  Always made sure I went along on those trips if i could.

 

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2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I’ve lived in Texas for my entire 50+ years and I had zero knowledge of the camps around kerrville until Friday. I would guess >95% of Texans have no clue about this culture.

ditto but I grew up poor. This is all mostly rich people stuff. 

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