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I read this article on the Texas Tribune about an A&MDean getting fired for not forcing a professor to toe the line and teach that LGBT people exist. 

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/09/08/texas-am-video-professor-student-gender-identity-content/

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The video, which does not show anyone’s face, captures audio of a student objecting to a professor teaching that there are more than two genders. The student says this conflicts with President Donald J. Trump’s executive order and her religious beliefs, and the professor responds she has a right to teach the lesson and the student has a right to leave. It is unclear when the video was shot, and Texas A&M officials have not identified the student or the professor involved.

In one of the video clips circulated Monday, Welsh can be heard asking the student, “What do you expect us to do? Fire her?” When the student replies, “Yes,” Welsh responds, “Well, that’s not happening.”

Putting aside the politics of it, my main take away is that this is because some 18-22 year old undergrad got his or her or their (see what I did there?) feels hurt.
 

I kind of expect this from the older generation. But Gen Z? Being so butt hurt that someone expressed a differnt worldview that they film it and post it online and actively try to get other professor fired? That was surprising to me.  Very Karen-esque energy. 

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13 minutes ago, hornian said:

I kind of expect this from the older generation. But Gen Z? Being so butt hurt that someone expressed a differnt worldview that they film it and post it online and actively try to get other professor fired? That was surprising to me.  Very Karen-esque energy. 

Hate is passed down from generation to generation with great pride. "Heritage, not hate" is usually how you can ID that type of chud. 

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1 minute ago, 956 Worldwide said:

It’s not particularly new for college students to believe that they have a right to silence speech they believe conflicts with their moral values, and it’s not particularly confined to the left or right. You can’t even begin to count the number of guest lectures that have been pulled down on college campuses over the last 15 years or so after undergrad groups threw fits over the content. 
 

It is fairly new for the chief executive of the country to indulge their tantrums. 

True. 
 

Although I’m dating myself, I was in undergrad during the Bush II years and I remember a lot of neocons speaking on campus to some fanfare/protests, but no one was trying to get anyone fired for allowing it. Stufents shouting down Ann Coulter comes to mind.  Protests about the content of the speaker’s ideals? Sure. Trying to fire the college dean for allowing the speaker? Not so much. 

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Kids/young adults these days have been raised on phones/internet where instant satisfaction is easily found. Combine that with hands off/poor parenting and you develop an intrinsic deep rooted thought that they're always right. They have no sense of the bigger picture, they have no reading of social cues anymore, it's basically a look at me world and they're there to film it for "likes" which sadly is mostly what they care about now. I know that was a bit broader than what you asked, but the intolerance starts at the root. 

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For many people dissent and opposing views are their Satan.  It is not allowed and it must be avoided at all costs.

This is nothing new.  I agree that it is fucked up and should be different, but whatcha gonna do?

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because many people of our generation(I am 50) raised their kids in a bubble with no actual skills besides asking mommy and daddy what to do.

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1 hour ago, hornian said:

I read this article on the Texas Tribune about an A&MDean getting fired for not forcing a professor to toe the line and teach that LGBT people exist. 

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/09/08/texas-am-video-professor-student-gender-identity-content/

Putting aside the politics of it, my main take away is that this is because some 18-22 year old undergrad got his or her or their (see what I did there?) feels hurt.
 

I kind of expect this from the older generation. But Gen Z? Being so butt hurt that someone expressed a differnt worldview that they film it and post it online and actively try to get other professor fired? That was surprising to me.  Very Karen-esque energy. 

This person was thoroughly indoctrinated by their parents and probably their peers at some "Christian" private school.

She was probably also a political plant like the daughter of that embarrassing UT grad twat that did a similar thing a couple of years ago.  Only at that time, the administration wasnt what it is now.

It's denunciation, like something out of a Soviet or French Revolution novel.

Texas, fuck Texas, all hail our fucked up state.

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Just now, TwiceHorn said:

This person was thoroughly indoctrinated by their parents and probably their peers at some "Christian" private school.

She was probably also a political plant like the daughter of that embarrassing UT grad twat that did a similar thing a couple of years ago.

This type of thing is on both sides of the political spectrum.

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1 minute ago, Rip76 said:

This type of thing is on both sides of the political spectrum.

Students taking umbrage at what a professor teaches, yes.

University administrators and, especially, government officials taking action on it, not so much.

 

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1 hour ago, hornian said:

I read this article on the Texas Tribune about an A&MDean getting fired for not forcing a professor to toe the line and teach that LGBT people exist. 
 

You don’t want to make it political but you write crap like this. You seem to be part of the problem.

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7 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Students taking umbrage at what a professor teaches, yes.

University administrators and, especially, government officials taking action on it, not so much.

 

The university administrators bit is just blatantly untrue. It’s been a problem for years.  Universities have set pretty ugly precedent on this front. FIRE is a great group that takes an extremely principled stance on this. 

https://www.thefire.org/news/report-scholars-punished-their-speech-skyrocketed-over-last-three-years
 

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A new report from FIRE finds that attempts to punish college and university scholars for their speech skyrocketed over the past two decades, from only four in 2000 to 145 in 2022.

Censorship attempts came from both the political left of the scholar (52%) and the political right of the scholar (41%).

Almost two-thirds of attempts resulted in sanction, including 1 in 5 that resulted in termination.

The largest number of scholars targeted at once was in 2021, when the conservative organization Turning Point USA targeted 61 scholars. 

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Almost two-thirds of sanction attempts resulted in sanction, including 225 terminations.

Sanction attempts initiated by on-campus groups typically come from the political left of the scholar, including 75% of the attempts from undergraduates and 82% from other scholars.

On the other hand, sanction attempts from off-campus groups typically come from the political right of the scholar, including 78% of the attempts from the general public and 86% from government officials.

Only 6% of sanction attempts occurred because the scholar engaged in contemptuous or malicious speech, such as speech meant to offend, malign, or endorse violence. 

 

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Just now, Texas Fight said:

You don’t want to make it political but you write crap like this. You seem to be part of the problem.

We should cancel him

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7 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

You don’t want to make it political but you write crap like this. You seem to be part of the problem.

Yes, If you just thought like you were told there wouldn’t be any problem.

’You are free to be a drunkard, an idler, a coward, a backbiter, a fornicator; but you are not free to think for yourself.’

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16 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

The university administrators bit is just blatantly untrue. It’s been a problem for years.  Universities have set pretty ugly precedent on this front. FIRE is a great group that takes an extremely principled stance on this. 

https://www.thefire.org/news/report-scholars-punished-their-speech-skyrocketed-over-last-three-years
 

 

Ok then.  I can clearly recall student protests from the left on various things that never amounted to anything, as well as the ones where student groups sponsoring controversial speakers canceled events.  I didn't recall any adverse administration action or certainly the federal government getting involved.

But I am old.  Shanty out front should have told you.

Nonetheless, that report indicates that external pressure from the right recently has accelerated, rather exponentially.

Sanctions attempts from 2000 to present

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1 minute ago, Ghost of NMAS said:

Yes, If you just thought like you were told there wouldn’t be any problem.

’You are free to be a drunkard, an idler, a coward, a backbiter, a fornicator; but you are not free to think for yourself.’

He doesn’t have to think like me.

I’m just asking him to accurately write what happened in the class and not instigate in the opening post while he pokes fingers in the chest of anyone who tries to make this thread political.

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28 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Students taking umbrage at what a professor teaches, yes.

University administrators and, especially, government officials taking action on it, not so much.

 

Who wants to tell him 

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20 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

You don’t want to make it political but you write crap like this. You seem to be part of the problem.

How is that post political? 

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I will say this, too.  When I wrote above, evidently incorrectly, about university administrators not taking official adverse action based on student protest or denunciation, I was basing it on my own observation of mostly "local" meaning in-state events.

In keeping with what Texas used to be, I'm thinking the administrations were pretty live-and-let-live about this sort of thing, borne out by what Welsh did even at the highly conservative lapdog eaTme.  Whereas it seems the historical sanctions came from more east coast type places (Central Florida, wth?).

The futility of student protests and denunciations at local unis was one of the hallmarks of them.  Again, see shanty.

So much for that.

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24 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Ok then.  I can clearly recall student protests from the left on various things that never amounted to anything, as well as the ones where student groups sponsoring controversial speakers canceled events.  I didn't recall any adverse administration action or certainly the federal government getting involved.

But I am old.  Shanty out front should have told you.

Nonetheless, that report indicates that external pressure from the right recently has accelerated, rather exponentially.

Sanctions attempts from 2000 to present

Groups like TPUSA and after October 7, some pro-Israel orgs have really picked up on the opening in recent years.  Their stuff is often astro-turfed but they are using the structures and arguments in place. Student “safety” has been a big winning argument to silence and sanction people and that one got ripped directly from left-leaning successes.  The really disturbing new element is that the feds have put their thumb on the scale. 

This case is fairly boring on it’s face, what’s notable is that the university admin had the right initial instinct— to tell the student that no one was getting fired. And they did an about face under implicit threats to lose federal funding. 
 

The Feds and the right are being mendacious and hypocritical and have no good will here. At the same time academia as an institution has been woefully bad for a long time at genuine defense of academic freedom and free speech. 

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Where is the evidence that this generation is more intolerant compared to prior generations? When I was in high school, if you came out as gay, you were ostracized. We’ve come a long, long way since then.

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1 minute ago, bschoolprof said:

Where is the evidence that this generation is more intolerant compared to prior generations? When I was in high school, if you came out as gay, you were ostracized. We’ve come a long, long way since then.

We had come a long way since then.

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30 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

He doesn’t have to think like me.

I’m just asking him to accurately write what happened in the class and not instigate in the opening post while he pokes fingers in the chest of anyone who tries to make this thread political.

 I am stating accurately what happened, from the article:

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The announcement came after a video circulated online Monday showing a student confronting a professor over LGBTQ-related content in the class, sparking backlash from Republican lawmakers and calls for investigations, a response from the U.S. Department of Justice, and a statement from the Texas A&M System chancellor pledging to discipline the professor.

 

So what part of what I wrote is inconsistent with this?

Read that, along with the quoted section in the first post where the student complained that the professor was "teaching that there are more than two genders."

The professor is apparently going to be disciplined, and the Dean has been fired, for not toeing the line that transgender people don't/should not exist. Is your critique that I typed "LGBT" instead of "transgender" in my initial post? If so, stop being a pedant and maybe try to actually engage in a conversation. 

Again, my question is what has changed in the last generation that the typically more tolerant generation is the one being the thought police?

 

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20 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

Where is the evidence that this generation is more intolerant compared to prior generations? When I was in high school, if you came out as gay, you were ostracized. We’ve come a long, long way since then.

Curious how those norms shift again in the next decade if conservatives have their way. 
 

Also yay? So a gay youth is less ostracized but can literally see their right especially in this state actively work to demonize them and try to strip away their rights. 

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2 minutes ago, Goredho said:

It’s part of the cultural zeitgeist at this point to be an abject asshole challenging societal norms.

Being a cruel dick has incredible social and political value nowadays.  In fact, it appears to be the ONLY ethos of any social or political value in 2025.

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1 hour ago, hornian said:

True. 
 

Although I’m dating myself, I was in undergrad during the Bush II years and I remember a lot of neocons speaking on campus to some fanfare/protests, but no one was trying to get anyone fired for allowing it. Stufents shouting down Ann Coulter comes to mind.  Protests about the content of the speaker’s ideals? Sure. Trying to fire the college dean for allowing the speaker? Not so much. 

Shit. DT board. Can we move this to CR to have a more honest conversation?

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Just now, BrickHorn said:

This. It’s idiotic to both sides this issue. One side are fascists spreading hateful propaganda and the other side are, at their very worst, well-intentioned moon bats expressing tolerance for harmless shit the other side has decided to hate. To put this in more concrete terms: leftists protest rightwing personalities  because they openly advocate for harming people; this rightwing student got a professor fired for arguing against a purported scientific justification for discriminating against and oppressing human beings with atypical gender identities. In both cases, the right wing side is pushing to harm a group of people and the left wing side is acting to protect them. 

The two sides are not at all equivalent and it’s at best lazy bullshit to imply otherwise. 

I don't think they are equivalent in general, but I don't discount the danger of tankie leftist silencing of dissent.  Seriously, see the reference to "denunciations" in the Soviet system.  It's a dangerous approach, if left to its own devices so it can reach its natural end.

Yes, the resistance from the "left" today in response to hard-right government-backed attacks is mostly about standing up for the weak against attacks meant to harm them.  But historical hard-left "denunciations" and where they tried to go here (and successfully did in many other countries) is dangerous.

Here's a hint: authoritarian crushing of any dissenting ideas is almost always a bad thing.  IDGAF if you are a left authoritarian or a right authoritarian.  Shitting on academic freedom and liberty, and inevitably personal freedom and liberty, is bad.  

Except we live in a moment where it is now government policy, and is cheered as good.  In fact, it is cheered as the only good thing out there.  The only good thing happening in society right now is....owning and silencing and punishing the opposition.  That's pretty fucky, and really bad for us.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

This person was thoroughly indoctrinated by their parents and probably their peers at some "Christian" private school.

She was probably also a political plant like the daughter of that embarrassing UT grad twat that did a similar thing a couple of years ago.  Only at that time, the administration wasnt what it is now.

It's denunciation, like something out of a Soviet or French Revolution novel.

Texas, fuck Texas, all hail our fucked up state.

I have lived all over.  I chose to live in Texas because we are actually trying to work this shit out and we are winning.  well, The University of Texas is winning - that is because we only allow the best and the brightest to even apply to our school.   fuck Aggy, fuck everyone.

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I have 2 siblings, early Millennials, who work in education.  One in HS ed and one in college.  They both say the youngs' dumbassery bottomed out 5-8 years ago.  Plenty of kids today have their acts together, example being college graduation.  Many of them take college classes in HS and put themselves on track to graduate college in less than 4 years.  Big contrast with the 90's gen that was on the 5 year plan.

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are we even allowed to allege that young people are intolerant?   I think that is at least a micro aggression?   maybe, gasp, a macro?

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any pointless Texas argument about anything on this board(non sports and lulz and thangs) is covered in a simple movie - called.....the life of brian.   google it.   Jesus even makes a cameo!

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1 hour ago, UTPhil2006 said:

Kids/young adults these days have been raised on phones/internet where instant satisfaction is easily found. Combine that with hands off/poor parenting and you develop an intrinsic deep rooted thought that they're always right. They have no sense of the bigger picture, they have no reading of social cues anymore, it's basically a look at me world and they're there to film it for "likes" which sadly is mostly what they care about now. I know that was a bit broader than what you asked, but the intolerance starts at the root. 

1 hour ago, kibbles said:

because many people of our generation(I am 50) raised their kids in a bubble with no actual skills besides asking mommy and daddy what to do.

1 hour ago, safe sex said:

Both sides, guys, both sides! 

We can blame our parents, but I can point to the fact that the fringe political movements in America (on both sides) over the last 50 years have always drawn heavily from the college crowd.  Because they don’t know any better, and they read a little Ayn Rand or whoever, and whatever is read on the left, and think that they are enlightened and that is their world view.

But there are also sheltered people (probably some overlap and college freaks them out) who maintain dumb beliefs that were passed down to them.  I’ve had somebody I went to high school with claims there were no gay or lesbian students when we were there.  Me pointing out several people in the LBGTQ crowd in our class, and that I went to two same-sex marriages of classmates of ours doesn’t change their thinking - because “they weren’t gay back then”.

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37 minutes ago, kibbles said:

I have lived all over.  I chose to live in Texas because we are actually trying to work this shit out and we are winning.  well, The University of Texas is winning - that is because we only allow the best and the brightest to even apply to our school.   fuck Aggy, fuck everyone.

None of this makes any sense

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Answering the broader question, the young are always/usually/often idealistic to the point of being ideologues, with the attendant intolerance of the status quo or other notions.

Historically, that's taken the form of utopian and other pretty impractical notions that are identified with progressives or liberals.

So, it's a bit startling to see these retrograde ideologues cropping up.  So it seems that it may be six of one, half a dozen of the other.  However, I think the liberal idealism is a more natural result of new autonomy and exposure to new ideas.  That is, the reason that higher education is progressive by its very nature, as opposed to the result of some sort of political influence or indoctrination.

This retrograde idealism is definitely a product of indoctrination.

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