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5 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Youre conflating COVID denialism and election conspiracies with state censorship of an unfavored opinion. Denying COVID and telling people to inject bleach and eat deworming paste causes real physical harm. Pointing out that republicans are using Kirk's death to gain political outcomes is not the same.

Good lord, do all y'all get the same dog shit newsletter and marching orders? It's remarkable how consistent the profa messaging is 

Yes, is pretty obvious there are common places they get their bullshit, because when they get riled up, it's always a few hours after the fact, and all of the talking points are identical.

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6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Pointing out that republicans are using Kirk's death to gain political outcomes is not the same

Again, you're intentionally lying about what upset people. Not sure why you feel need to do that. It is quite something.

“We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them“ 

 

This was great example of projection by Jimmy. He was wrong. Could've retracted it later. Didn't. 

 

8 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Youre conflating COVID denialism and election conspiracies with state censorship of an unfavored opinion

There were plenty of examples of Covid “disinformation” that was censored by the government that ended up being true, and you know it. But you cite extreme examples to try to make your point. You're a fundamentally dishonest person protected here by a friendly environment where people get booted eventually when they correct you.  

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6 minutes ago, Descendant said:

“We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them“ 

We did go through three or four classifications from the FBI prior to us getting the charging document, so I'm not sure what you're taking offense with? Use your brain, not your amygdala

  

6 minutes ago, Descendant said:

There were plenty of examples of Covid “disinformation” that was censored by the government that ended up being true, and you know it. But you cite extreme examples to try to make your point. You're a fundamentally dishonest person protected here by a friendly environment where people get booted eventually when they correct you.  

and lulz, tell me you got moderated on SM for spreading COVID disinformation without telling me. You sure do seem to have a well-formed opinion of me, what's your old sock handle(s)? GRUhorn is that you?

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3 minutes ago, Captainant said:

We did go through three or four classifications from the FBI prior to us getting the charging document, so I'm not sure what you're taking offense with? Use your brain, not your amygdala

The funny thing is, I never once said I was offended by it. I said it was a mistake. 

“It was a dumb move in that late-night Tv is largely irrelevant outside of hard leftie population. Their only left tilt has caused viewership to collapse. Not he’ll be trumpeted as some pseudo celeb martyr when he really was implying it was a Maga shooter despite evidence to the contrary. He then had a chance yesterday to retract or walk back after details of indictment came out. He chose not to. FAFO honestly. 

Can't wait for the Go Fund Me for Jimmy Kimmel. Or maybe he'll run for Senate”

Jimmy’s implication to his audience was clear that the shooter was OBVIOUSLY a right winger. I think it was false and in poor taste but I don't care anything beyond that. 

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Just now, aggie08 said:

Do you think that would have saved him?

Absolutely. 

“I said maga was trying everything to prove that the shooter wasn't one of them. Well more info has come out and it looks like crazy comes in all shapes and sizes. Maybe joking about an assassination wasn't the best idea. Anyway, coming up next we have Sydney Sweeney and a musical performance from Tate McRae everybody.”

I'm sure it never occurred to him or his writers. 

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Just now, Descendant said:

Absolutely. 

“I said maga was trying everything to prove that the shooter wasn't one of them. Well more info has come out and it looks like crazy comes in all shapes and sizes. Maybe joking about an assassination wasn't the best idea. Anyway, coming up next we have Sydney Sweeney and a musical performance from Tate McRae everybody.”

I'm sure it never occurred to him or his writers. 

yeah, just appease the fascists. That ALWAYS ends well lmfao

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1 hour ago, 'stache said:

Yes, is pretty obvious there are common places they get their bullshit, because when they get riled up, it's always a few hours after the fact, and all of the talking points are identical.

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1 hour ago, Descendant said:

Again, you're intentionally lying about what upset people. Not sure why you feel need to do that. It is quite something.

“We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them“ 

 

This was great example of projection by Jimmy. He was wrong. Could've retracted it later. Didn't. 

Nothing Kimmel said was incorrect.  He never said he thinks the shooter is MAGA.  He said that MAGA was tripping over their dicks 5 seconds after the shooting, with no evidence, to point the finger at any other possibility than MAGA.  He was 100% correct.

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47 minutes ago, Descendant said:


“We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them“ 

Jimmy’s implication to his audience was clear that the shooter was OBVIOUSLY a right winger. I think it was false and in poor taste but I don't care anything beyond that. 

 

Yes, that is definitely one way you can read that quote. If you’re looking for reason to take offense, you can read it as Jimmy blaming MAGA. The other way to read it is that MAGA was blaming others over the weekend, which is true. Every time there’s a tragedy, we all sit around and hope that the crazy person wasn’t like us. Some of us do it loudly, latching on to any rumor that confirms it. Then when we finally know who the crazy person is, we lay blame at the feet of anyone like them. It’s incredibly shallow thinking 

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6 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

The real takeaway from the Kimmel debacle is that corporations will sell out their values for a President they don't like just to close a business deal. You don't hate the big wigs in suits enough. 

Yep, that's what I've drawn as a conclusion as well.

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2 hours ago, immamac said:

I'm just saying there's 2 different conversations they aren't the same. There is an active one about this happening. There is also people who are following this one outside the media stuff for shoot updates and discussion 

This thread is Exhibit A that the Cloak Roomers (on both sides) are completely incapable of distinguishing between the 2 forums.  I'll never understand why they want to have the same political debates on the same topic in 2 different forums but pretty clear at this point posters that want updates on actual "news" go somewhere else which is a shame.

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1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

Who was President when Roseanne was fired? 

Where did anyone in Biden's administration pressure Disney to fire Carano not sign her to a new contract?

Zuckerberg says the White House pressured Facebook to ‘censor’ some COVID-19 content during the pandemic | PBS News

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg says senior Biden administration officials pressured Facebook to “censor” some COVID-19 content during the pandemic

 

Zuckerberg alleges that the officials, including those from the White House, “repeatedly pressured” Facebook for months to take down “certain COVID-19 content including humor and satire.”

The officials “expressed a lot of frustration” when the company didn’t agree, he said in the letter.

“I believe the government pressure was wrong and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it,” Zuckerberg wrote in the letter dated Aug. 26 and posted on the committee’s Facebook page and to its account on X.

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2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Yes, I'm aware the Biden administration flagged covid misinformation for Facebook.  That's not responsive to my questions.

I am unaware of any public threats--or private, for that matter--coming from the Biden administration to shut down Facebook.

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16 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Zuckerberg says the White House pressured Facebook to ‘censor’ some COVID-19 content during the pandemic | PBS News

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg says senior Biden administration officials pressured Facebook to “censor” some COVID-19 content during the pandemic

 

Zuckerberg alleges that the officials, including those from the White House, “repeatedly pressured” Facebook for months to take down “certain COVID-19 content including humor and satire.”

The officials “expressed a lot of frustration” when the company didn’t agree, he said in the letter.

“I believe the government pressure was wrong and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it,” Zuckerberg wrote in the letter dated Aug. 26 and posted on the committee’s Facebook page and to its account on X.

You are answering the wrong question.  Did the Biden admin threaten to use the full force and power of the US government to shut down FB altogether if it did not yield to the admin's desires?  There's a rather huge difference between that, and simply making the ask, even in the form of impassioned and repeated entreaties.  

That's it. That's the question.  AND, by the way, if the facts reveal that's what the Biden admin actually did, it would be wrong and I would oppose it completely.  Because my support of this nation and the Constitution is not contingent on who I voted for or which viewpoint I support.  I will not be an adherent of the "tu quoque" logical fallacy, which is apparently a bedrock principle in MAGAland: attribute some misconduct to the Biden admin, and use it to justify, excuse, and allow any and all misconduct by the Trump admin.  Wrong is wrong.  That's the difference between y'all and the rest of us.

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Just now, Brisketexan said:

You are answering the wrong question.  Did the Biden admin threaten to use the full force and power of the US government to shut down FB altogether if it did not yield to the admin's desires?  There's a rather huge difference between that, and simply making the ask, even in the form of impassioned and repeated entreaties.  

That's it. That's the question.  AND, by the way, if the facts reveal that's what the Biden admin actually did, it would be wrong and I would oppose it completely.  Because my support of this nation and the Constitution is not contingent on who I voted for or which viewpoint I support.

Two things here. 

First unless I'm wrong there isn't a legal framework and a license that can simply be revoked to shut down Facebook.

Second, they were dealing with a friendly entitiy in Facebook that largely wanted what they wanted. No need to threaten anything. 

 

Also, I think it was dumb to get Kimmel canceled, but how was it unconstitutional? There's an existing legal framework to do that  

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20 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Zuckerberg says the White House pressured Facebook to ‘censor’ some COVID-19 content during the pandemic | PBS News

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg says senior Biden administration officials pressured Facebook to “censor” some COVID-19 content during the pandemic

 

Zuckerberg alleges that the officials, including those from the White House, “repeatedly pressured” Facebook for months to take down “certain COVID-19 content including humor and satire.”

The officials “expressed a lot of frustration” when the company didn’t agree, he said in the letter.

“I believe the government pressure was wrong and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it,” Zuckerberg wrote in the letter dated Aug. 26 and posted on the committee’s Facebook page and to its account on X.

No fucking shit. There was total horseshit ignorance on facebook getting people killed. There still is.

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Also, maybe the greatest tweet of all time. All the false confidence of our top CR posters. It’s also how at least half of you look. Thank you Matthew Yglesias. 

 

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22 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

The officials “expressed a lot of frustration” when the company didn’t agree, he said in the letter.

Well that's EXACTLY THE SAME!!!! 

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28 minutes ago, Skipper said:

This thread is Exhibit A that the Cloak Roomers (on both sides) are completely incapable of distinguishing between the 2 forums.  I'll never understand why they want to have the same political debates on the same topic in 2 different forums but pretty clear at this point posters that want updates on actual "news" go somewhere else which is a shame.

What actual news is there right now? I always see this thrown out here. The only news about this right now is about everything around the aftermath of the assassination. If there was news, it would be posted. 

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2 minutes ago, Descendant said:

Also, I think it was dumb to get Kimmel canceled, but how was it unconstitutional? There's an existing legal framework to do that  

Here is how.  The Cornell Law School has a great commentary site on the Constitution, including the First Amendment, which does a good job of summarizing the point:

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the government can attempt to persuade private parties to adopt its viewpoints, but it cannot coerce others into suppressing what the government believes to be objectionable views by threatening legal sanctions or using other coercive methods.4 In other words, the government may communicate with third parties as part of its “attempts to persuade” the public, but it cannot cross the threshold into impermissible “attempts to coerce. 5

To state a claim for unconstitutional coercion of a third party in violation of the First Amendment, a litigant must allege “conduct that, when viewed in context, could be reasonably understood to convey a threat of adverse government action in order to punish or suppress the plaintiff ’s speech.” 6 In National Rifle Association of America v. Vullo, the Supreme Court held that this standard would be met by a New York state official’s alleged threats of enforcement actions against private entities that refused to disassociate from the National Rifle Association (NRA).7

Open threats were made by the chair of the FCC.  I expect that we'll also find that similar, stronger statements were sent to ABC privately.

Conveying a threat of adverse government action to punish speech is 100% unconstitutional.  Yet, you support and defend it still.

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1 hour ago, Descendant said:

Absolutely. 

“I said maga was trying everything to prove that the shooter wasn't one of them. Well more info has come out and it looks like crazy comes in all shapes and sizes. Maybe joking about an assassination wasn't the best idea. Anyway, coming up next we have Sydney Sweeney and a musical performance from Tate McRae everybody.”

I'm sure it never occurred to him or his writers. 

Kimmel was set to open the next show discussing his statement, make amends for offensive discussion. He never got that chance to retract because his removal had nothing to do with his statement and everything to do with a butthurt President using the weight of his administration to silence critics.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Here is how.  The Cornell Law School has a great commentary site on the Constitution, including the First Amendment, which does a good job of summarizing the point:

Open threats were made by the chair of the FCC.  I expect that we'll also find that similar, stronger statements were sent to ABC privately.

Conveying a threat of adverse government action to punish speech is 100% unconstitutional.  Yet, you support and defend it still.

I don't actually. And I've said that. I just can't believe y'all are surprised by it. It’s been trending this way a while.  Like, years. 

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Just now, Descendant said:

I don't actually. And I've said that. I just can't believe y'all are surprised by it. It’s been trending this way a while.  Like, years. 

Ahh yes, back to the the one-two punch of the false equivalency logical fallacy (the Biden admin working to persuade FB = the Trump admin threat to punish ABC) AND the tu quoque logical fallacy built on the bedrock of false equivalency.  Your execution is flawless.  Well-done.

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2 hours ago, Descendant said:

Absolutely. 

“I said maga was trying everything to prove that the shooter wasn't one of them. Well more info has come out and it looks like crazy comes in all shapes and sizes. Maybe joking about an assassination wasn't the best idea. Anyway, coming up next we have Sydney Sweeney and a musical performance from Tate McRae everybody.”

I'm sure it never occurred to him or his writers. 

Yes, I'm sure that there was a combination of words that Jimmy Kimmel (possibly Trump enemy #1) was capable of saying that would have satisfied the purity test zealots that are using Kirk's death to accelerate what they've already been planning for a decade. Sure thing.

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16 minutes ago, Descendant said:

Also, I think it was dumb to get Kimmel canceled, but how was it unconstitutional? There's an existing legal framework to do that  

 

When you say there’s an existing legal framework, are you referring to 1969 when the FCC revoked WLBT’s license for pro-segregation content and discriminatory practices? That’s apparently the only time the FCC has revoked a channel’s license for failing to serve the public interest. The FCC, in theory an independent government agency, threatened to revoke a channel’s license because one of its personalities regularly says things the president doesn’t like. You don’t see the potential first amendment issue here? 

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2 hours ago, Descendant said:

Absolutely. 

“I said maga was trying everything to prove that the shooter wasn't one of them. Well more info has come out and it looks like crazy comes in all shapes and sizes. Maybe joking about an assassination wasn't the best idea. Anyway, coming up next we have Sydney Sweeney and a musical performance from Tate McRae everybody.”

I'm sure it never occurred to him or his writers. 

What, specifically, did Seth and Fallon say then?

Donald Trump calls for Jimmy Fallon and Seth Meyers to also be pulled off  the air following Jimmy Kimmel and Stephen Colbert. “Do it NBC!!!”

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19 minutes ago, mdmost said:

What actual news is there right now? I always see this thrown out here. The only news about this right now is about everything around the aftermath of the assassination. If there was news, it would be posted. 

Thanks for making my point.  If there isn't news or interesting articles posted, this thread shouldn't be bumped every few minutes, and all the political bickering would be taking place in "Charlie Kirk" thread on 1 forum instead of the same exact posters carrying on the exact same conversations in the "Charlie Kirk" thread on this forum as well.  

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17 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Thanks for making my point.  If there isn't news or interesting articles posted, this thread shouldn't be bumped every few minutes, and all the political bickering would be taking place in "Charlie Kirk" thread on 1 forum instead of the same exact posters carrying on the exact same conversations in the "Charlie Kirk" thread on this forum as well.  

I mean, you don't have to check it or follow it. The story for now is the aftermath and what's happening around that which invariably will fall into the political realm since that's where Charlie Kirk lived. I guess you can petition your grievances to immamac. 

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16 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Thanks for making my point.  If there isn't news or interesting articles posted, this thread shouldn't be bumped every few minutes, and all the political bickering would be taking place in "Charlie Kirk" thread on 1 forum instead of the same exact posters carrying on the exact same conversations in the "Charlie Kirk" thread on this forum as well.  

It absolutely is news that the 1st amendment has been shredded in the name of "fighting leftist extremism" and avenging a January 6 organizer. If you don't like that it's such a big deal, go stick your head in the sand and don't click the thread.

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17 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Thanks for making my point.  If there isn't news or interesting articles posted, this thread shouldn't be bumped every few minutes, and all the political bickering would be taking place in "Charlie Kirk" thread on 1 forum instead of the same exact posters carrying on the exact same conversations in the "Charlie Kirk" thread on this forum as well.  

Double the posts, double the rep points, which are the internet equivalent of green stamps. I've got my eye on a nice lamp. 

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Just now, Captainant said:

It absolutely is news that the 1st amendment has been shredded in the name of "fighting leftist extremism" and avenging a January 6 organizer.

Well, see, that's news they don't want to hear.  They want to do their "la la la I can't hear you!" routine whenever absolutely naked fascist shit happens (by the way, "stuff that is actually happening" is called....wait for it...."news.")

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33 minutes ago, Skipper said:

Thanks for making my point.  If there isn't news or interesting articles posted, this thread shouldn't be bumped every few minutes, and all the political bickering would be taking place in "Charlie Kirk" thread on 1 forum instead of the same exact posters carrying on the exact same conversations in the "Charlie Kirk" thread on this forum as well.  

What do you think this post is? Just go somewhere else or put the posters you don’t like on ignore. Pretty simple.

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3 hours ago, Descendant said:

Fyi the government pressured social media companies in the not too distant past. That's why it was so upsetting when Elon bot Twitter. 

I agree with you, that was very bad, as this is now. Can you admit that what Trump is doing right now is disgusting and against this first amendment? 

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1 hour ago, pacman said:

Kimmel was set to open the next show discussing his statement, make amends for offensive discussion. He never got that chance to retract because his removal had nothing to do with his statement and everything to do with a butthurt President using the weight of his administration to silence critics.

Meanwhile, Fox anchor suggests genociding homeless people and apologizes like 5 days later and that's the last we will ever hear of it.  Nothing to see here.

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This is an old and tired game at this point, but maybe this will help some of you out.

Imagine if Biden had openly threatened to use the full force of the government to block Rupert Murdoch's business deals or strip away licenses from their stations unless Fox News fired Sean Hannity for the mountains of shit he talked about Biden.

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1 hour ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Zuckerberg says the White House pressured Facebook to ‘censor’ some COVID-19 content during the pandemic | PBS News

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg says senior Biden administration officials pressured Facebook to “censor” some COVID-19 content during the pandemic

 

Zuckerberg alleges that the officials, including those from the White House, “repeatedly pressured” Facebook for months to take down “certain COVID-19 content including humor and satire.”

The officials “expressed a lot of frustration” when the company didn’t agree, he said in the letter.

“I believe the government pressure was wrong and I regret that we were not more outspoken about it,” Zuckerberg wrote in the letter dated Aug. 26 and posted on the committee’s Facebook page and to its account on X.

The disinformation was life-threatening, in most cases, not some statement of controversial opinion.  And it was done in the public interest, not to salve the ego of the fuckstick president.

And, oooh, the administration expressed frustration.

Did they have the FCC chairman threatening to revoke their license?

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2 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

Imagine if Biden had openly threatened to use the full force of the government to block Rupert Murdoch's business deals or strip away licenses from their stations unless Fox News fired Sean Hannity for the mountains of shit he talked about Biden.

And outright LIES! Fox has been saddled with billions in judgements against them for their LIES, not to mention their fomenting of the January 6th putsch 

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THIS is where we're at with the Administration using Kirk's murder as a fulcrum for their crackdown 

We're probably at the point of this being a different topic, but it's being done in Kirk's name and under the guise of """never again"""

 

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