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8 minutes ago, mdmost said:

That’s why I said last night that it will be really interesting to see his viewing habits online. Who did he watch and on what platforms, what got him to the point where he hated Kirk enough to plan to kill him, and who might’ve known. If he’s a gaming nerd like the bullets indicate, where was he hanging out and did he show some sort of pattern. I highly doubt he’s watching CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, or OANN. Given his age, he’s not consuming traditional media. I believe so far we don’t know anything about it as he had a very low digital profile. 

I don’t think his activity will ever be released, unless it’s legit left wing radicalization. Which seems unlikely. The only real shot we’ll have of any kind of information is if the dude talks. I’m sure his family is telling him to play Antifa as we speak. 

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I find it amusing that a lot of our Daily Texan denizens still refuse to comment on the Fox & Friends segment I posted yesterday. The leader of the free world went on the "news" and basically said:

1. It is cool for you to be violent if you are on our side and you have concerns.

2. I don't give a shit about more than half of this country.

Brisket has been right all along. You kept telling all of us that we were wrong and hysterical, and the worst of you said a lot of really horrible things. Are you going to own this? Your hatred has brought this country to this point.

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6 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Don’t forget @Laguna who first posted the Guardian bullshit, got caught falling for it, and just posted without acknowledging that he got got, just separately searching for his preferred narrative. So easily manipulated, like a good little sheep, sit ubu sit, good dog.

I posted something from a legitimate news source. They later retracted it. Not sure how I “got got”. 

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Did Ana do his usual drunk posting on a Friday night and basically imply a bunch of people who voted for HRC and Harris don’t think women can lead?

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1 minute ago, Laguna said:

I posted something from a legitimate news source. They later retracted it. Not sure how I “got got”. 

Yeah, that's on the Guardian for running with someone claiming to be an old high school friend who calls people "leftists" without doing additional sourcing. Pretty irresponsible of them actually.

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6 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I find it amusing that a lot of our Daily Texan denizens still refuse to comment on the Fox & Friends segment I posted yesterday. The leader of the free world went on the "news" and basically said:

1. It is cool for you to be violent if you are on our side and you have concerns.

2. I don't give a shit about more than half of this country.

Brisket has been right all along. You kept telling all of us that we were wrong and hysterical, and the worst of you said a lot of really horrible things. Are you going to own this? Your hatred has brought this country to this point.

its painfully obvious we live in a very unequal society. 

The United States of Gaslighting. 

There are only two options

- the right doesn't believe violent rhetoric causes violent acts

- or they are too stupid to connect the two

neither is good for any of us wanting equality and common sense. 

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2 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

I thought I had tried to salvage it with furry porn but nah. Fml lol. 😂 

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That looks like a Harlem Shake video

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Just now, Willfully Horn said:

Yeah, no.

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Knew of Guardian's "bent."  Did not realize they were counterfactual.  Losing some respect there.  

Also, in case anyone wasn't aware, although it is the "Manchester Guardian," most of their US reporting comes from US reporters, so it doesn't always or even usually offer the "foreign" perspective that some non-US sources offer.  For example, the hashed-over piece here is by American Anna Betts, recently of the NYT.

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2 minutes ago, staboner said:

its painfully obvious we live in a very unequal society. 

The United States of Gaslighting. 

There are only two options

- the right doesn't believe violent rhetoric causes violent acts

- or they are too stupid to connect the two

neither is good for any of us wanting equality and common sense. 

This is not true. They believe violent rehetoric from the left causes violent acts. But not from the right. 

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1 minute ago, staboner said:

its painfully obvious we live in a very unequal society. 

The United States of Gaslighting. 

There are only two options

- the right doesn't believe violent rhetoric causes violent acts

- or they are too stupid to connect the two

neither is good for any of us wanting equality and common sense. 

It may sound simple but everyone (most especially those who spout their faith Christianity) needs to clean the inside of their cup first so the outside appears clean. We see what we want to see and we watch what we want to watch. We hear what we want to hear and we surround ourselves with our own echo chamber of sorts. Surly has a ton of flaws but if there was one beautiful thing about Charlie Kirk’s legacy is that we debate our ideas and thoughts. We don’t show up at a tailgate for surly and use violence. as a christian I seek to understand others and love others and I fail all the time but I recognize I don’t know everything and someone else’s view point might be something I need to learn, hear or see. 
 

it’s not as simple as saying Both Sides. It’s everyone. No one has all the knowledge. The mistake would be throwing everyone out we don’t agree with. That allows you to think you’re right all the time. And none of us are. I like associating with all sorts of people. And maybe the vast majority here have me on ignore (which fine I get it my football knowledge is superior to 99% of you) but I enjoy getting to hear and see and interact with different view points and that’s how it should be. 

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The 2028 election is 39 months away. That's about 160 weeks so probably 150-200 insane "this will change everything" events. People had even cooled on the Selena shirts by 1999

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11 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

I don’t think his activity will ever be released, unless it’s legit left wing radicalization. Which seems unlikely. The only real shot we’ll have of any kind of information is if the dude talks. 

Agree the FBI releases may be minimal. But someone will figure out his usernames (or figure out what I'm guessing might currently be getting purged) from his edgelord forums of choice.

Also, as is usually pointed out when the shooter is from these type of online communities, the messages that he left on the casings most likely aren't for us. They aren't for Kirk. They aren't for the police. They're for his buddies' amusement. So there's probably a handful of people currently pretty scared of their exposure that may come forward to get in front of it.

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15 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Did Ana do his usual drunk posting on a Friday night and basically imply a bunch of people who voted for HRC and Harris don’t think women can lead?

Very on point for drunk Anabot to hand wave the president saying right wing extremists are cool and instead hyper focus on a couple surly posters thoughts on Charlie Kirk’s wife’s plans for TPUSA.

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Even if a highly reputable news source posted the story the Guardian posted, turning around and using it as absolute proof of something was a failure in critical thinking given the nature of the information being reported.

One person of unknown background's anecdotal remembrances of another person from 6 or so years ago back when they were in high school.  YEA THAT'S IT THAT'S PROOF.

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1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

Even if a highly reputable news source posted the story the Guardian posted, turning around and using it as absolute proof of something was a failure in critical thinking given the nature of the information being reported.

 

The entire MAGA movement is dependent on failures in critical thinking.

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2 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Even if a highly reputable news source posted the story the Guardian posted, turning around and using it as absolute proof of something was a failure in critical thinking given the nature of the information being reported.

 

Yeah, I considered it to be a data point on one side among a dozen, in that a someone with a reputation to uphold was saying it.  Beyond that it wasn’t great evidence of anything.  About as persuasive as that Grok analysis saying the opposite. 

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1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

Even if a highly reputable news source posted the story the Guardian posted, turning around and using it as absolute proof of something was a failure in critical thinking given the nature of the information being reported.

 

Yeah, not faulting the Guardian or reporter much there.  Hey, at least they corrected.

Things were flying fast and furious, someone got to a high-school friend and reported.

The mistake has been taking any of it as gospel truth.

We're still in the danger zone in that department, but various sources seem to be converging on fairly accurate information.  The inscriptions on the casings seem fairly accurate at this point.  Although I'm curious about "Catch this fascist" or "Catch this, fascist."  

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10 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

Those messages are going to be released soon. Anyone want to be what they show? I will put a lot of money that they show he was Antifa and hated Kirk. Imma can escrow the money and make the final ruling.

Does anyone here have the courage of their so called convictions?

 

9 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

I can go up to 5K for now. Just a friendly wager. The specific wager to be decided by Imma is "Was the asshole who shot Kirk motivated by a far left or a far right perspective?"

 

9 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

I am only interested in your money friendo. Maybe the news reports are all wrong.

 

9 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

See. I'm literally giving away the money. First taker gets the wager.

Isnt the right’s willingness to assign blame (in a politically convenient direction) based on incomplete information the whole thing here? 

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3 minutes ago, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

I think the reporting was that’s a phrase from Helldiver as well. 

 

Utah governor Spencer Cox said at a press conference on Friday that federal investigators had found engraved messages on bullet casings recovered at the crime scene, including an unfired shell that included the phrase "Hey, fascist! Catch! ↑ → ↓↓↓" — arrow symbols that match the input required to execute a stratagem in Helldivers 2. That stratagem, Eagle 500kg Bomb, lets players drop a 1,100-pound bomb that embeds itself in the ground before exploding. It's one of the more destructive special moves in the game.

 

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Just now, SuingToGetAMessageBoard? said:

I think the reporting was that’s a phrase from Helldiver as well. 

Correct. That’s why I want to know more about what he was into. If he was just a deranged video game edgelord and not a left or right leaning person. People want to seize on the word fascist when it may not mean fascist in the traditional sense but some weird ass video game meme that he rabbit holed into. I bring up  the Trump shooter because there is a parallel and we still don’t know shit about that kid.

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6 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Correct. That’s why I want to know more about what he was into. If he was just a deranged video game edgelord and not a left or right leaning person. People want to seize on the word fascist when it may not mean fascist in the traditional sense but some weird ass video game meme that he rabbit holed into. I bring up  the Trump shooter because there is a parallel and we still don’t know shit about that kid.

There's also a picture from his mom's social media of the shooter dressed as a meme for halloween that is used by groypers, the groyper war specifically targeted Charlie Kirk.

Shooter just being a mind mushed terminally online gamer who randomly picked Kirk is definitely a possibility though. 

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8 minutes ago, mdmost said:

But didn’t that bullet with the catch this writing also have the game code on it? Makes it seem like it is gamer schtick.

Yes, it is part of the game. The game is loosely based on starship troopers (the movie version). Super Earth is a literal fascist society. Everything on the bullets was just memes. People looking for in-depth political motivation are going to be disappointed. He did it for the lols. 

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Yep, gamer and "4chan" (or equivalent) shit. 

As has been said, anyone hoping for a highly motivated political activist--for either "side"--and a clear motive is likely going to be disappointed on this one. Even if he does turn out to be a full-fledged "Groyper"

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31 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Knew of Guardian's "bent."  Did not realize they were counterfactual.  Losing some respect there.  

Also, in case anyone wasn't aware, although it is the "Manchester Guardian," most of their US reporting comes from US reporters, so it doesn't always or even usually offer the "foreign" perspective that some non-US sources offer.  For example, the hashed-over piece here is by American Anna Betts, recently of the NYT.

You're losing respect based on an unsourced screen shot?

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42 minutes ago, Laguna said:

I posted something from a legitimate news source. They later retracted it. Not sure how I “got got”. 

It was obvious bullshit, zero credibility even as written, as pointed out by dozens of posters thereafter. Didn’t think to exercise an ounce of critical thinking. You posted it, stuck by it, and were duped despite all the blatant red flags. That’s called getting got. You got got seeking the narrative that had zero corroboration. A complete Gulli Bull.

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8 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Yep, gamer and "4chan" (or equivalent) shit. 

As has been said, anyone hoping for a highly motivated political activist--for either "side"--and a clear motive is likely going to be disappointed on this one. Even if he does turn out to be a full-fledged "Groyper"

If the dude was a Groyper, it is a crucial distinction and shouldn't be dismissed. 

These Trumper motherfuckers want to start a civil war over this. We have to incessantly shove it back in their face IF there is more proof he's attached to Fuentes/Groypers in any way. 

 

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Is Anonymous still a thing? Pretty sure I saw where he/she basically said, "Holy shit, he's a confirmed Groyper. Nick is fucked."

Not that I'm trying to pass that off as a source--obviously not--just wondering if Anonymous is still in the exposing fools game.

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Just now, aggie08 said:

Is Anonymous still a thing? Pretty sure I saw where he/she basically said, "Holy shit, he's a confirmed Groyper. Nick is fucked."

Not that I'm trying to pass that off as a source--obviously not--just wondering if Anonymous is still in the exposing fools game.

IMO it's just become a commentator account on Twitter at this point. No research/info backing things up. 

 

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40 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

We're still in the danger zone in that department, but various sources seem to be converging on fairly accurate information.  The inscriptions on the casings seem fairly accurate at this point.  Although I'm curious about "Catch this fascist" or "Catch this, fascist."  

You probably already saw that this is from the video game Helldivers. In Helldivers, you play basically as Starship Troopers infantry and the game world's propaganda says you're fighting for managed democracy against fascist bugs and robots, the joke being that you're obviously a fascist foot soldiers and you die all the time. You can call in airstrikes and orbital bombardments and a bunch of other stuff, and "catch this, fascist!" is something you might say before calling in an airstrike if you're kind of LARPing like you're taking it seriously. There's plenty of video game YouTube channels that make silly little videos  goofing on the gameplay and that might even be a line from a specific one. Something like this:

ETA: dahobbs beat me to it. It's possible that he was a groyper and personally took the "irony" of the game to align with how "ironic" he saw it that a further right fascist would kill Kirk, but more likely it's just a joke the mass shooter fandom community already memefied and by using it in the shooting he's basically referencing a reference of a reference of a reference of... etc. They do this frequently now in attacks (e.g. the shooter who shot up that Catholic school recently wrote the Loss meme on the gun). Sometimes there's some sort of alignment with alt-right shit, but usually it's just nihilistic "jokes."

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16 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Is Anonymous still a thing? Pretty sure I saw where he/she basically said, "Holy shit, he's a confirmed Groyper. Nick is fucked."

Not that I'm trying to pass that off as a source--obviously not--just wondering if Anonymous is still in the exposing fools game.

I think most 4chan account names just appear as "Anonymous." It's not the same as the hacker group. 

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9 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

You probably already saw that this is from the video game Helldivers. In Helldivers, you play basically as Starship Troopers infantry and the game world's propaganda says you're fighting for managed democracy against fascist bugs and robots, the joke being that you're obviously a fascist foot soldiers and you die all the time. You can call in airstrikes and orbital bombardments and a bunch of other stuff, and "catch this, fascist!" is something you might say before calling in an airstrike if you're kind of LARPing like you're taking it seriously. There's plenty of video game YouTube channels that make silly little videos  goofing on the gameplay and that might even be a line from a specific one. Something like this:

 

Also, it's sort of counterintutitive, but groypers apparently like to sling the "fascist" accusation at those less fascist than themselves.  Like groypers are true conservatives, but those left of them but still right of center are the fascists.

This highlights what an incoherent, motley crew makes up a lot of "the right" these days.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

It has been reported, and not contradicted, that it was a "Mauser" bolt action.  That would tend to mean a Mauser Gewehr 98, the standard issue German Nazi rifle of WWII, one of these:

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Like it probably looks, that sonofabitch is nearly four feet long and chambered for an obsolete and nigh-impossible to find cartridge.  So it probably wasn't one of those.

BUT, after the war, the "actions," the bolt, receiver and magazine, were often rebarrelled (you almost literally unscrew the barrel and fit another one) into standard cartridges like .30-06 etc. and restocked into more conventional hunting rifles.

Those are not terribly uncommon and, if well done, prized by collectors and shooters alike.  The Mauser 98 "action" is the design foundation of the modern bolt action rifle.  In one sense, you could argue that just about any bolt-action rifle he used was a "Mauser action," but that's not the way that would be reported by LE or journalists today.

But, are pretty uncommon in the hands of 20-somethings unless inherited or possibly purchased at a gun show.  It's not something you can pick up at Academy, or Dick's or Scheels or whatever the fuck they have in Utah.

So, yeah, it's pretty highly likely "Dad's gun," or one that Dad had a significant hand in acquiring for ol Tyler.

I think it was more likely just a factory Mauser hunting rifle which are nice but not prohibitively expensive and you can find dealers everywhere.

https://www.mauser.com/en/MAUSER-18-Standard/80112498

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Did Ana do his usual drunk posting on a Friday night and basically imply a bunch of people who voted for HRC and Harris don’t think women can lead?

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53 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, not faulting the Guardian or reporter much there.  Hey, at least they corrected.

 

You serious Clark?   They asked some random dipshit for a quote and ran with it like it was gospel without an ounce of basic journalism.    Updating their article later, after their BS report has been shared 10s of millions of times isnt nearly enough.

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1 minute ago, Ted Lange said:

You serious Clark?   They asked some random dipshit for a quote and ran with it like it was gospel without an ounce of basic journalism.    Updating their article later, after their BS report has been shared 10s of millions of times isnt nearly enough.

Also knowing full well that it would help set "the narrative" but who cares, gotta be first.

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1 hour ago, Laguna said:

I posted something from a legitimate news source. They later retracted it. Not sure how I “got got”. 

I agree with this but you are desperately looking to prove your narrative. that's the issue. I want the truth, I want peace and harmony among you, me and everyone. You aren't my enemy, and the reality is if the shooter was a liberal, fuck him, throw the death penalty at him. if he's a Nick Fuentes disciple, fuck him, throw the death penalty at him. why in the same situation? because he assassinated someone.

 

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6 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

You serious Clark?   They asked some random dipshit for a quote and ran with it like it was gospel without an ounce of basic journalism.    Updating their article later, after their BS report has been shared 10s of millions of times isnt nearly enough.

he didn't fuck up that though, shockingly the Guardian did. I mean it made no sense to what we knew at the time but I took it seriously and acknowledged there were facts that didn't fit together. If I took it seriously it's ok others did. that's not on this guy, that's on the Guardian.

But what is on this guy is his desperate need to find facts to prove his desired narrative that a progressive was the violent one, despite all the facts saying otherwise.

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Wait, is Macklemore the poster who sucked dick for drugs?

That’s a common misconception on this board. The actual story was that he picked up men at “flophouses” and used $/drugs to get them to “party” with him. Said partying was stated to include meth and sex.
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The reporter absolutely deserves blame for that horseshit and the guardian deserves some blame publishing it before the internal fact checkers verified any of it. Reporter wanted the scoop and it fit the guardians biases so they ran with it. I wonder how long they knew before they retracted it.

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That’s a common misconception on this board. The actual story was that he picked up men at “flophouses” and used $/drugs to get them to “party” with him. Said partying was stated to include meth and sex.

Are proposing that he is just a figurative cock sucker and not a literal one?

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