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Johns said Sanford told him he moved to Utah at one point to plow snow and had a relationship with a woman there whose family was Mormon.

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23 minutes ago, F250 said:

I see you have read "Riders of the Purple Sage" by Zane Grey. 

Little known fact: the working title was "Nancy-boy Riders of the Lavender Sage," so the whole gay/trans subtext shouldn't come as any surprise.

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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

Wait . . . the radicals on the right are radical because they abhor crime?

I'm not like this because I'm in van Halen. I'm in van Halen because I'm like this

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6 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

Crazy people going to crazy.

Indeed.

So, knowing that, maybe....just MAYBE... we shouldn't (a) cast them out on their own and say "fuck you pull yourself up by your bootstraps because anything that supposedly helps the common good by helping some particular people is COMMUNISM," and (b) maybe....just MAYBE....we should be spraying fuel directly into their mentally broken carburetors by relentlessly pounding the drums of war against those a certain group deems to be "the enemy?"  You know, don't tell crazy people that every brown person in this country is an evil criminal who any second now is going to murder and rape you, and MAYBE you won't have a nutbar inspired to drive to El Paso and shoot 40-something brown people.  Stuff like that.

Our toxic individualism combined with the fact that spewing hate is our national ethos is a kinda sorta bad combo.  A smart society would reconsider that approach.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Our toxic individualism combined with the fact that spewing hate is our national ethos is a kinda sorta bad combo.  A smart society would reconsider that approach.

What do you expect when we allow big tech and the media to algorithm that directly into our veins? It's making a few select powerful people, too rich and we are the commodity that is placated with the opium of self righteous hate and ADHD levels of banal short video entertainment.  A vast majority of America is junkies and we don't even know it. 

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57 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

It is so weird that certain people haven't made an appearance it in this thread. 

I am personally shocked that Chicken Sandwich hasn't shown up to bumble around with some idiotic self-owning links for us.

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Johns said Sanford told him he moved to Utah at one point to plow snow and had a relationship with a woman there whose family was Mormon.


Y'all can keep discussing your specific hates and biases, but I'm sure this is the main motive. I'm guessing him and the ex split because she wanted to stay Mormon and he didn't and she wouldn't/couldn't marry him because of it because it couldn't be solemnized in church (or her family pressured her not to marry a non-mormon). He probably held a deep resentment over it despite marrying someone else and blamed the Mormon church for it. Couple that with being nutso with potential PTSD and this happens. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy knocking on his door brought it all fresh again and triggered this into motion.

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1 hour ago, Modessit said:

Y'all can keep discussing your specific hates and biases, but I'm sure this is the main motive. I'm guessing him and the ex split because she wanted to stay Mormon and he didn't and she wouldn't/couldn't marry him because of it because it couldn't be solemnized in church (or her family pressured her not to marry a non-mormon). He probably held a deep resentment over it despite marrying someone else and blamed the Mormon church for it. Couple that with being nutso with potential PTSD and this happens. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy knocking on his door brought it all fresh again and triggered this into motion.
 

 

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1 hour ago, Modessit said:

Y'all can keep discussing your specific hates and biases, but I'm sure this is the main motive. I'm guessing him and the ex split because she wanted to stay Mormon and he didn't and she wouldn't/couldn't marry him because of it because it couldn't be solemnized in church (or her family pressured her not to marry a non-mormon). He probably held a deep resentment over it despite marrying someone else and blamed the Mormon church for it. Couple that with being nutso with potential PTSD and this happens. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy knocking on his door brought it all fresh again and triggered this into motion.

Not just as an adult, she's been conditioned her whole life that her full eternal salvation and exaltation requires her to marry in the temple, preferably to a returned missionary. It's been drilled into her head since earliest childhood. Lots of Mormon girls will flirt to convert, but the vast majority will eventually insist on full conversion and temple marriage.

The social pressure, especially in Utah, is enormous, but she also likely believes her literal salvation is on the line.

Here's a quote from October 2023 by Russel M. Nelson, the recently deceased President, Prophet, Seer and Revelator. He is addressing the entire church at general conference (twice a year, instead of church, the Utah authorities give talks that are broadcast worldwide in church and over tv/cable). 

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The Lord has clearly taught that only men and women who are sealed as husband and wife in the temple, and who keep their covenants, will be together throughout the eternities. 

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2023/10/51nelson?lang=eng

Temple marriage is required for the highest degree of Mormon/LDS exaltation/salvation within the Celestial Kingdom. You don't get your own worlds to create and rule as a god/goddess without a temple marriage. Both husband and wife have to have active temple recommendations and maintain them. That requires not just membership, but full compliance with all church rules, serving in non-paid church callings and paying 10% tithing among other things. 

It's enough pressure to break up MANY otherwise healthy relationships. If the reported info is true about an ex is true, it's a likely factor. 

 

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