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23 minutes ago, F250 said:

I see you have read "Riders of the Purple Sage" by Zane Grey. 

Little known fact: the working title was "Nancy-boy Riders of the Lavender Sage," so the whole gay/trans subtext shouldn't come as any surprise.

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6 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

Crazy people going to crazy.

Indeed.

So, knowing that, maybe....just MAYBE... we shouldn't (a) cast them out on their own and say "fuck you pull yourself up by your bootstraps because anything that supposedly helps the common good by helping some particular people is COMMUNISM," and (b) maybe....just MAYBE....we should be spraying fuel directly into their mentally broken carburetors by relentlessly pounding the drums of war against those a certain group deems to be "the enemy?"  You know, don't tell crazy people that every brown person in this country is an evil criminal who any second now is going to murder and rape you, and MAYBE you won't have a nutbar inspired to drive to El Paso and shoot 40-something brown people.  Stuff like that.

Our toxic individualism combined with the fact that spewing hate is our national ethos is a kinda sorta bad combo.  A smart society would reconsider that approach.

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2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Our toxic individualism combined with the fact that spewing hate is our national ethos is a kinda sorta bad combo.  A smart society would reconsider that approach.

What do you expect when we allow big tech and the media to algorithm that directly into our veins? It's making a few select powerful people, too rich and we are the commodity that is placated with the opium of self righteous hate and ADHD levels of banal short video entertainment.  A vast majority of America is junkies and we don't even know it. 

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Posted
57 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

It is so weird that certain people haven't made an appearance it in this thread. 

I am personally shocked that Chicken Sandwich hasn't shown up to bumble around with some idiotic self-owning links for us.

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Johns said Sanford told him he moved to Utah at one point to plow snow and had a relationship with a woman there whose family was Mormon.


Y'all can keep discussing your specific hates and biases, but I'm sure this is the main motive. I'm guessing him and the ex split because she wanted to stay Mormon and he didn't and she wouldn't/couldn't marry him because of it because it couldn't be solemnized in church (or her family pressured her not to marry a non-mormon). He probably held a deep resentment over it despite marrying someone else and blamed the Mormon church for it. Couple that with being nutso with potential PTSD and this happens. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy knocking on his door brought it all fresh again and triggered this into motion.

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1 hour ago, Modessit said:

Y'all can keep discussing your specific hates and biases, but I'm sure this is the main motive. I'm guessing him and the ex split because she wanted to stay Mormon and he didn't and she wouldn't/couldn't marry him because of it because it couldn't be solemnized in church (or her family pressured her not to marry a non-mormon). He probably held a deep resentment over it despite marrying someone else and blamed the Mormon church for it. Couple that with being nutso with potential PTSD and this happens. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy knocking on his door brought it all fresh again and triggered this into motion.
 

 

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Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, Modessit said:

Y'all can keep discussing your specific hates and biases, but I'm sure this is the main motive. I'm guessing him and the ex split because she wanted to stay Mormon and he didn't and she wouldn't/couldn't marry him because of it because it couldn't be solemnized in church (or her family pressured her not to marry a non-mormon). He probably held a deep resentment over it despite marrying someone else and blamed the Mormon church for it. Couple that with being nutso with potential PTSD and this happens. I wouldn't be surprised if the guy knocking on his door brought it all fresh again and triggered this into motion.

The family and social pressure, especially in Utah, is enormous, but she also would have been conditioned since earliest childhood that her full eternal salvation and exaltation requires her to marry in the temple, preferably to a returned missionary. Lots of Mormon girls will flirt to convert, but the vast majority will eventually insist on full conversion and temple marriage.

Here's a quote from October 2023 by Russel M. Nelson, the recently deceased President, Prophet, Seer and Revelator. He is addressing the entire church at general conference (twice a year, instead of church, the Utah authorities give talks that are broadcast worldwide in church and over tv/cable). 

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The Lord has clearly taught that only men and women who are sealed as husband and wife in the temple, and who keep their covenants, will be together throughout the eternities. 

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2023/10/51nelson?lang=eng

Without a temple marriage, you are no longer married in Heaven. You don't get your own worlds to create and rule as a god/goddess without a temple marriage. Both husband and wife have to have active temple recommendations and maintain them. That requires not just membership, but full compliance with all church rules, serving in non-paid church callings and paying 10% tithing among other things. 

It's enough pressure to break up MANY otherwise healthy relationships. If the reported info about a Mormon ex is true, it's a likely factor. 

 

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Posted (edited)
6 hours ago, huge said:

But it also sounds like he had very specific, pointed, and personal animus with Mormon/LDS beliefs, history and practices as well. 

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Johns said Sanford asked him whether he believed in God. He responded, "yes." Johns said he's Christian and a member of Solid Rock Community Church in Burton.

“From there, the conversation takes a very sharp turn," Johns said.

He said Sanford began asking him open-ended questions about Mormonism, first asking how Johns felt about the religion. And the more questions Sanford asked on the topic, the more pointed they became, Johns said. He said Sanford asked him about the Mormon bible, the role Jesus plays in the religion, the history of the LDS church and Joseph Smith Jr., the founder of Mormonism and the LDS movement.

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But Johns said everything Sanford asked him about Mormonism led to Sanford declaring the religion as "the antichrist."

Unfortunately, millions of Americans believe similarly. 

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Posted
2 hours ago, huge said:

Probably because of his experience when he lived in Utah and dated one. 
 

undefeated?

I "dated" two wayward LDS women back in the day. The first one was kicked out of BYU and found herself working as a waitress in Austin. The second one was a early twenties divorcee who moved to Austin from Idaho via Houston. Both were very fun, it was like partying with hot religious crazy chicks on Rumspringa. 

I guess the key is dating them down here.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

 Does this one make @Wilcox Cummingtonitehorny for civil war too or what?

I think he's maybe moved on to yet another handle. My guess would be that new "scramblyn" character who posts a lot, very familiarly on the football board as if he's always been one of the guys.

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Posted
3 hours ago, Pods said:

But it also sounds like he had very specific, pointed, and personal animus with Mormon/LDS beliefs, history and practices as well. 

Unfortunately, millions of Americans believe similarly. 

Yeah, they are ready to declare it an attack on Christianity, but the moment the LDS members speak up, it's like

Shut The Fuck Up Veep Season 6 GIF by Veep HBO

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Posted
8 hours ago, Newdoc said:

Crazy people going to crazy. Mental healthcare in this country sucks. VA or not. 

Statistics from different analyses of mass shootings show that the percentage of perpetrators with military backgrounds ranges from 23% to 32%

. This is a disproportionately high rate compared to the general population. 
 

(AI answer to the question: what percentage of mass shooters are veterans.)

 

Maybe, just maybe, we should throw some money at that problem.

Posted
6 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Maybe, just maybe, we should throw some money at that problem.

 

I've been required to take about 26hrs of CE in it. Does that count? 

Posted
9 hours ago, bolverk said:

I think he's maybe moved on to yet another handle. My guess would be that new "scramblyn" character who posts a lot, very familiarly on the football board as if he's always been one of the guys.

Joined September 14, three days after he spun out on the Charlie Kirk thread.

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Posted
13 hours ago, Pods said:

But it also sounds like he had very specific, pointed, and personal animus with Mormon/LDS beliefs, history and practices as well. 

Unfortunately, millions of Americans believe similarly. 

He had mental health/PTSD problems from serving

But let's be real - he was also the victim of extreme brainwashing by his church that those "others" aren't real Christians.  And that there is a war against the "real" Christians. 

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18 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

“You aren’t allowed to not be my kind of Christian” is the type of thing that will, by its very nature, eventually backfire on most of them. 
 

I would offer that the broadest possible definition of Christian is one who believes that Jesus was the son of god, died for our sins, and was resurrected.  And I think LDS meets that definition. 

Yeah, those "Christians" running things these days aren't exactly known for their tolerance of other sects.  It's amazing the motley Trump coalition hasn't turned on itself sooner.  

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Posted
14 hours ago, Pods said:

The family and social pressure, especially in Utah, is enormous, but she also would have been conditioned since earliest childhood that her full eternal salvation and exaltation requires her to marry in the temple, preferably to a returned missionary. Lots of Mormon girls will flirt to convert, but the vast majority will eventually insist on full conversion and temple marriage.

Here's a quote from October 2023 by Russel M. Nelson, the recently deceased President, Prophet, Seer and Revelator. He is addressing the entire church at general conference (twice a year, instead of church, the Utah authorities give talks that are broadcast worldwide in church and over tv/cable). 

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2023/10/51nelson?lang=eng

Without a temple marriage, you are no longer married in Heaven. You don't get your own worlds to create and rule as a god/goddess without a temple marriage. Both husband and wife have to have active temple recommendations and maintain them. That requires not just membership, but full compliance with all church rules, serving in non-paid church callings and paying 10% tithing among other things. 

It's enough pressure to break up MANY otherwise healthy relationships. If the reported info about a Mormon ex is true, it's a likely factor. 

 

That all seems perfectly reasonable.

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10 hours ago, bolverk said:

I think he's maybe moved on to yet another handle. My guess would be that new "scramblyn" character who posts a lot, very familiarly on the football board as if he's always been one of the guys.

Hahaha nope. 

Posted
2 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

Have you moved the needle?

 

Probably not, but I used to see many, many reservists in Austin and would get referred a decent number of VA patients so you never know. 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 

Probably not, but I used to see many, many reservists in Austin and would get referred a decent number of VA patients so you never know. 

 

 

You should feel a sense of accomplishment when doing good work. All it means is there is much more good work to do. We have a problem, as a nation, and addressing that problem head on is the sane thing to do.

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Posted
33 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

Looks like a self ban, which means he'll be back soon.  He can't quit us.

The chump didn’t appreciate Kirk being called out as a racist. Then, he ridiculed the idea that racism exists, in his post early in the Kirk thread.. He doesn’t see himself as racist, and can’t face up to, or even try to justify, speech/thoughts he probably shares as being labeled racist by Surlyites. Typical DT behavior, he hides behind ridicule and refuses to have a discussion. Like I said, he’s a chump.

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Huh.  We still don't have the director of the FBI tweeting instantaneously about every detail discovered about this guy, like his political and voting tendencies, political clothing he has worn, where his family members stand on hot-button issues?  We don't?  Man.  I just can't understand why.  I guess it's a mystery that we'll never sort out.

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