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11 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

May be a dumb question but how does anti aircraft defenses prevent them from shooting down their own aircrafts?

IFF…identification friend or foe.  The planes have a transponder that responds to radar interrogation with a code.  

Response = proper code = no shoot. 
Bad or no response = maybe a bad guy

Older code that checks out?  Ask Admiral Piett how that ended up   

It’s nowhere near foolproof and you ideally should get a visual to confirm, else you risk friendly fire like has happened numerous times for both military and civilian birds   

 

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2 minutes ago, Homercles said:

IFF…identification friend or foe.  The planes have a transponder that responds to radar interrogation with a code.  

Response = proper code = no shoot. 
Bad or no response = maybe a bad guy

It’s nowhere near foolproof and you ideally should get a visual to confirm, else you risk friendly fire like has happened numerous times for both military and civilian birds   

 

Well, one of the theories in why the Russians don’t have more birds in the air is their really advanced air defenses, and not nearly as advanced fighter plans don’t talk to each other well.

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3 minutes ago, Homercles said:

IFF…identification friend or foe.  The planes have a transponder that responds to radar interrogation with a code.  

Response = proper code = no shoot. 
Bad or no response = maybe a bad guy

Older code that checks out?  Ask Admiral Piett how that ended up   

It’s nowhere near foolproof and you ideally should get a visual to confirm, else you risk friendly fire like has happened numerous times for both military and civilian birds   

 

What if they pull the ole "switcheroo" and paint a different flag on the tail?  What's good for the goose...

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So this is both awesome and terribly sad at the same time....both that the mom has to arm herself to protect her child, and that some soy-boy made the poster with the GOD DAMN mag pointing the wrong F'ing way!!!!

 

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Just now, Bateshorn said:

Well, one of the theories in why the Russians don’t have more birds in the air is their really advanced air defenses, and not nearly as advanced fighter plans don’t talk to each other well.

Those really advanced air defense systems often use IFF. MANPADS don't, but integrated systems do.

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4 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

They don't have to believe the PR, they have to pay attention to their pocketbooks, what's stocked (not) on the shelves, and finding alternatives to PornHub...

I'm not sure that's a great thing long term.  It seems likely a good chunk of the young/educated Russians that call BS on the Putin propaganda will flee (or have already).  An economically depleted nuclear power with a brainwashed population does not seem like a great thing. I'm struggling to find many ways it's even possible where a "good outcome" needle can be threaded for this situation.  Because even if Putin were to get taken out tomorrow, I don't know how you can put the economic genie back in the bottle in Russia.  Even if sanctions are lifted are all of these US/Euro private businesses going to line back up to reinvest there?  I doubt it.   The reality is a lot of those people already hate the West.  If their lives are miserable the next 10 years an even bigger chunk will.  And that's a problem. See Germany WWI.  

I hadn't heard of this guy but thought this was a little bit of insight into what the more Westernized Russian citizen might be thinking these days. He doesn't go political (probably smart enough to know that's not a good way to survive) but just the reality of the situation.  You get the feeling of hopelessness.  No idea about this guy or personal situation but I'm guessing he's the "type" that moves on from Russia.  

 

 

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You know what I haven't really seen mentioned in all of this is Flight MH17. You'd think that would be lumped in with the grievances against Russia, but seems to be largely forgotten.

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Just now, Skipper said:

I'm not sure that's a great thing long term.  It seems likely a good chunk of the young/educated Russians that call BS on the Putin propaganda will flee (or have already).  An economically depleted nuclear power with a brainwashed population does not seem like a great thing. I'm struggling to find many ways it's even possible where a "good outcome" needle can be threaded for this situation.  Because even if Putin were to get taken out tomorrow, I don't know how you can put the economic genie back in the bottle in Russia.  Even if sanctions are lifted are all of these US/Euro private businesses going to line back up to reinvest there?  I doubt it.   The reality is a lot of those people already hate the West.  If their lives are miserable the next 10 years an even bigger chunk will.  And that's a problem. See Germany WWI.  

I hadn't heard of this guy but thought this was a little bit of insight into what the more Westernized Russian citizen might be thinking these days. He doesn't go political (probably smart enough to know that's not a good way to survive) but just the reality of the situation.  You get the feeling of hopelessness.  No idea about this guy or personal situation but I'm guessing he's the "type" that moves on from Russia.  

 

 

Yeah, that was my concern early on - there has to be a clear path "back" for Russia 

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3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Looks like some of the younger, American volunteers have arrived to help out

 

My God, the Zamboni drivers are already here...living among us.  Bold strategy.

Also, to the point about Russia being "Canceled."  I think that's the wrong word.  It gets lumped in for having your show literally cancelled for being just an asshole.  Russia isn't being an asshole.  They're being genocidal murderers of civilians.  Kind of a broad brush.  Not sure if boycott is the right word, unless A&M wants to weigh in here...

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1 minute ago, Lobo said:

My God, the Zamboni drivers are already here...living among us.  Bold strategy.

Also, to the point about Russia being "Canceled."  I think that's the wrong word.  It gets lumped in for having your show literally cancelled for being just an asshole.  Russia isn't being an asshole.  They're being genocidal murderers of civilians.  Kind of a broad brush.  Not sure if boycott is the right word, unless A&M wants to weigh in here...

There's that virtue signaling again. 

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1 minute ago, Lobo said:

My God, the Zamboni drivers are already here...living among us.  Bold strategy.

Also, to the point about Russia being "Canceled."  I think that's the wrong word.  It gets lumped in for having your show literally cancelled for being just an asshole.  Russia isn't being an asshole.  They're being genocidal murderers of civilians.  Kind of a broad brush.  Not sure if boycott is the right word, unless A&M wants to weigh in here...

Some of the worst atrocities in modern warfare were committed during WWI....then the Versailles Treaty helped facilitate even worse atrocities in WWII.  We do have to be careful here

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1 minute ago, NorthLoop said:

There's that virtue signaling again. 

Because I remarked that Russia is immorally targeting civilians en masse based on their nationality?  Or do you work at a hockey rink?  Use your words, sweetheart.

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So this is going to be a total disaster for Nonproliferation, right? Ukraine gave up their nukes and look what happened. If/when this thing ever ends, how could anyone blame them for wanting them back? You also gotta believe it's at least crossed the mind of anyone in the region that's not NATO - Moldova, Georgia, Finland, Sweden...

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Just now, Lobo said:

Also, to the point about Russia being "Canceled."  I think that's the wrong word.  It gets lumped in for having your show literally cancelled for being just an asshole.  Russia isn't being an asshole.  They're being genocidal murderers of civilians.  Kind of a broad brush.  Not sure if boycott is the right word, unless A&M wants to weigh in here...

That's the odd dynamic though right.   We know that.  But probably only a very small percentage of the Russian population understands that.   They think it's a "special operation" to "de-nazify" Ukraine and the West is taking advantage of the situation to try to destabilize/harm Russia.   And you don't have to look far in the US to see how propaganda can brainwash educated/competent people.  It's a fucked up situation.  And the longer this goes on I don't see many good outcomes for the future of either Ukraine or Russia.  Still just blows my mind that Putin played this hand.

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1 minute ago, tokamak said:

So this is going to be a total disaster for Nonproliferation, right? Ukraine gave up their nukes and look what happened. If/when this thing ever ends, how could anyone blame them for wanting them back? You also gotta believe it's at least crossed the mind of anyone in the region that's not NATO - Moldova, Georgia, Finland, Sweden...

Pretty much

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On 3/7/2022 at 8:00 AM, FirstTimeCaller said:

It is likely wishful thinking, but I keep getting this vibe that one day Putin is going to surprise us all, turn back forces, and just tell the Russians that he defeated nazism and stopped the genocide.

It's obvious this isn't going well and there's no real way to make it go well for Russia. His only options seem to range from least bad to worst. I think putting out propaganda about successfully completing the military intervention is his least bad option. Think GWB and "Mission Accomplished"

 

12 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

In this particular context, a rather inapt analogy.  Because, although the job was far from over, unlike Russia, we had just put on a military CLINIC. It was in many senses premature, but it was not propaganda.

Because, again, we whipped their fucking asses militarily. (this is less the 9-year old in my going all America, fuck yeah, but more a tribute to our military and drawing a contrast between it and this Russian shitshow, which has given me a newfound appreciation for our military).

 

I have a different perspective on this.  As someone who has worked with a lot of military units including aircraft carrier deployments I think  the Mission Accomplished was really talking about that particular carrier group's mission and giving those sailers and naval aviators some closure to their part.

It was an unfortunate messaging thing that is was broadcast globally.  I don't have any behind the scenes info but guess that the sign was made by the ship/group and not requested by GWB's people.

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4 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

There's that virtue signaling again. 

Yeah, can’t an autocratic regime invade a democratic state and commit war crimes without consequences any more? Bombing hospitals, shelling civilians after agreeing to a ceasefire, what’s the big deal? Leave your woke police at home. Cancel culture run amok with all these crippling sanctions. 
 

/sarcasm. “Canceled” has no meaning if it’s applied to Russia

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2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Yeah, can’t an autocratic regime invade a democratic state and commit war crimes without consequences any more? Bombing hospitals, shelling civilians after agreeing to a ceasefire, what’s the big deal? Leave your woke police at home. Cancel culture run amok with all these crippling sanctions. 
 

/sarcasm. “Canceled” has no meaning if it’s applied to Russia

I didn't use the fucking term.  The guy in the posted video above me did.  My point was there's a big difference being brought in Twitter Police and being brought into the Hague.  Again, I guess with regard to corporations/customers pulling out, maybe the term is "boycott", but there's gotta be a more accurate and original term? 

I get the sarcasm, but somebody on here is gonna bitch and moan that we're trying to "Cancel" Russia.  I guess Putin is like the Euro-Asian Harvey Weinstein?  

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1 minute ago, tokamak said:

So this is going to be a total disaster for Nonproliferation, right? Ukraine gave up their nukes and look what happened. If/when this thing ever ends, how could anyone blame them for wanting them back? You also gotta believe it's at least crossed the mind of anyone in the region that's not NATO - Moldova, Georgia, Finland, Sweden...

I don't know that it is clear how this will affect it.  Ukraine wasn't a nuclear country.  They had nukes on their territory as a legacy of USSR, but they weren't under Ukrainian control.  That was unwound after the breakup in the 90s as I understand it.  I think the unique political stance that gave rise to there ever being nukes there in the first place makes it hard to figure out how this event would affect somewhere else.

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1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

Hmmmmmm.....

 

That's interesting.  And that's also Zelensky trying to play the long game here.  He knows damn well the West would prop them up economically and militarily.   It's probably the "de-militarize" component that makes this difficult.  I can't see Putin ok with the West turning Ukraine into a military power while his economy is in shambles.

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Just now, Skipper said:

That's interesting.  And that's also Zelensky trying to play the long game here.  He knows damn well the West would prop them up economically and militarily.   It's probably the "de-militarize" component that makes this difficult.  I can't see Putin ok with the West turning Ukraine into a military power while his economy is in shambles.

Time to bring in more troops in dump trucks then!

 

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everyone is testy on here regarding cancelling.  everyone gets the joke and is adding new jokes.  then they are wondering if someone didn't get their joke and now thinks they weren't joking and instead they are not smart.  and there is nothing worse than not being smart online.  which gives rise to tensions.  our own little bubbling cold war based on misunderstood intentions.

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2 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I don't know that it is clear how this will affect it.  Ukraine wasn't a nuclear country.  They had nukes on their territory as a legacy of USSR, but they weren't under Ukrainian control.  That was unwound after the breakup in the 90s as I understand it.  I think the unique political stance that gave rise to there ever being nukes there in the first place makes it hard to figure out how this event would affect somewhere else.

Which is accurate for the specific situation unique to Ukraine, BUT everyone else that has them......they aren't giving them up any time soon

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2 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

everyone is testy on here regarding cancelling.  everyone gets the joke and is adding new jokes.  then they are wondering if someone didn't get their joke and now thinks they weren't joking and instead they are not smart.  and there is nothing worse than not being smart online.  which gives rise to tensions.  our own little bubbling cold war based on misunderstood intentions.

Fair point, but I got banned for many days (which i'm sure you all enjoyed) for joining in an inside joke on this very thread because cunt posters are gonna cunt.  I just find the "spectrum" of cancellation tolerance by some posters to be curious, if not amusing.

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27 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

So this is both awesome and terribly sad at the same time....both that the mom has to arm herself to protect her child, and that some soy-boy made the poster with the GOD DAMN mag pointing the wrong F'ing way!!!!

 

Totally normal thing to be upset about.

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Lulz...China gonna take all those Russian resources without even setting a foot in Siberia.
 
Prepare that anus, Vlad...Xi gonna shove his Wang Yi so far up that ass it'll be Peking out ya throat.
 
Yeah yeah yeah...I'll see myself out:


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China considers buying stakes in Russian energy, commodity firms 

Any deal would be to bolster China's imports as it intensifies its focus on energy and food security — not as a show of support for Russia's invasion in Ukraine, sources said

China is considering buying or increasing stakes in Russian energy and commodities companies, such as gas giant Gazprom PJSC and aluminum producer United Co. Rusal International PJSC, according to people familiar with the matter.
 
https://financialpost.com/commodities/energy/oil-gas/china-considers-buying-stakes-in-russian-energy-commodity-firms?r
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7 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

everyone is testy on here regarding cancelling.  everyone gets the joke and is adding new jokes.  then they are wondering if someone didn't get their joke and now thinks they weren't joking and instead they are not smart.  and there is nothing worse than not being smart online.  which gives rise to tensions.  our own little bubbling cold war based on misunderstood intentions.

This has some of excellent “just the tip” vibes

 

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2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

There it is.  You were saying?

 

You have to admit, a political cartoon that will probably win a Pulitzer being short-form harangued about the magazine?  The irony being it'll be placed in many long-form magazines...I mean c'mon...this is spot-on.  You finally, accidentally, became clever later in life.  Just like your parents wished!

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23 minutes ago, Lobo said:

I didn't use the fucking term.  The guy in the posted video above me did.  My point was there's a big difference being brought in Twitter Police and being brought into the Hague.  Again, I guess with regard to corporations/customers pulling out, maybe the term is "boycott", but there's gotta be a more accurate and original term? 

I get the sarcasm, but somebody on here is gonna bitch and moan that we're trying to "Cancel" Russia.  I guess Putin is like the Euro-Asian Harvey Weinstein?  

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16 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

Can't Ukraine just promise to not be in NATO, then when Russia leaves just join NATO and say they were crossing their fingers behind their back? It's the Russian playbook. 

Or they could join NAUTO, the North Atlantic-Ukraine Treaty Organization which is obviously completely different.

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36 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

You know what I haven't really seen mentioned in all of this is Flight MH17. You'd think that would be lumped in with the grievances against Russia, but seems to be largely forgotten.

it's incredible how people forget that a Russian Buk from the 53rd AA Brigade crossed the border into UKR, and shot down a commercial plane killing 298 people, then it's Russian crew took it back into RUS.

https://www.bellingcat.com/app/uploads/2015/10/MH17-The-Open-Source-Evidence-EN.pdf

 

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Based on the information above, it can be concluded that on July 17, 2014 a Buk missile launcher,
originating from the 53rd Brigade near Kursk, Russia, travelled from Donetsk to Snizhne. It was then
unloaded and drove under its own power to a field south of Snizhne, where at approximately 4:20 pm it
launched a surface-to-air missile that hit Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 as it flew over Ukraine. On the
morning of July 18, the Buk missile launcher was driven from Luhansk, Ukraine, across the border to
Russia.

Alternative scenarios presented by the Russian Ministry of Defense and Almaz-Antey are at best deeply
flawed, and at worst show a deliberate attempt to mislead using fabricated evidence

 

 

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2 minutes ago, NoName said:

yea, i would say he has an in

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UTcsb/ I think it was 2014 or so.  Marco Rubio came to UT to speak at a few events.  He does a fundraiser then speaks with students in a small classroom (musta been cool) then spoke in the Blanton Amphitheater with the Strauss/Clements Center.  So Will Inboden and Bobby Chesney are his "chaperones" throughout the day.  They both run these very impressive national security/foreign relations think tanks on campus.  Both these guys are fucking brilliant with deep connections to federal government and CIA/NSA.  Rubio speaks in front of about 100 folks later that evening, all about Russia.  Forecasting Putin's moves from Crimea to Georgia to Ukraine to the Baltics and cyber and energy and all of that.  I was completely floored.  He was behind a small podium and I couldn't see anything on it.  He had no teleprompter.  Afterwards the hosts invited my wife and I over to go shake hands and get a photo.  I watched him from the moment he ended his talk to the moment we walked up to meet him.  He spoke for 60 straight minutes with no break and no teleprompter about the dangers of Russia going forward.  I walked up the podium with my crappy eyesight expecting to see some small index cards or a phone with notes on it.  He couldn't possibly have known this much about Russia as a newly elected junior Senator from a garbage state.  Right?

All that was there was a small watch that he only looked at to gauge how much time he had left.  Will and Bobby said that he spent most of the day educating their Russian experts at LBJ and COLA about Russia instead of the other way around, which is how it's usually handled when an elected "expert" comes to speak at UT.  Everyone on faculty was completely floored by how much he already knew about Russia when it was considered a non-issue by so much of our government and academia.  

NoCR...but I think we can all agree that Rubio appears to be broadcasting information for some reason.  And he is incredibly well-versed on the matter, that much I know.

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