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4 minutes ago, The Dog said:

FWIW, I don't think this gets 2/3rds in the Senate if it even comes to a vote. 

Maybe not, but it's got to be enticing to a jackal like Ted Cruz to finally have a small chance at revenge.  

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4 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Nobody voted "against" the discharge petition. Only four were needed to get it across the finish line. Once they hit the 218 threshold it stops. It's a petition - not a vote.

Because they are under enormous pressure from their constituents to vote to release the files, because they ALL campaigned on it.

FWIW, I don't think this gets 2/3rds in the Senate if it even comes to a vote. 

I guess I'm not convinced that gop voters hold anything against their people especially when it comes to dear leader. I'll need to see some tangible proof and a democratic socialist winning NYC mayor doesn't mean much to me about the direction of this country's electorate. If they cared that much wouldn't they already be mad at the ones who wouldn't sign the petition?

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

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I know someone really close to the Bill Cosby case and they said that he wasn't into rape. He just liked the fantasy of nonconsensual sex. But his partners always said yes after receiving quaaludes. Maybe a few of them forgot their safe word and I realize that could be misconstrued by some people as date rape, but they never said no, at least not after they unknowingly consumed sedatives. They never said no. It may have looked legal to a passerby.

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3 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

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I was wondering which of these subhuman republicans was going to be the first to publicly excuse raping young girls because trump does it. 

But she said she wasn't making an excuse. Doesn't that cover it? Like saying "With all due respect" before calling someone's mother a whore. That makes it okay, right?

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

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Megyn Kelly is profoundly dumb. Three years under the age of consent is not “legal,” not even “barely.” 

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10 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The real uncomfortable question is how many MAGA posters on Surly are child abusers?

I'm sure they'll be here in a few minutes to call us deranged degens. 

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20 minutes ago, Dutchrudder said:

The 15 vs 8 year old thing may come into play if the trial is in Florida, since they just passed a law allowing the death penalty for pdf files who abuse children under 12. How awesome would it be if he's sentenced to death under a law passed by 'Meatball Ron'?

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Just now, BrickHorn said:

Megyn Kelly is profoundly dumb. Three years under the age of consent is not “legal,” not even “barely.” 

I'm surprised she said 15 instead of 16 which is the age of consent in some states. I don't think 15 is legal anywhere. 

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Just now, 'stache said:

I'm surprised she said 15 instead of 16 which is the age of consent in some states. I don't think 15 is legal anywhere. 

 

oddly specific number 🤔🤔🤔

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7 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I guess I'm not convinced that gop voters hold anything against their people especially when it comes to dear leader. I'll need to see some tangible proof and a democratic socialist winning NYC mayor doesn't mean much to me about the direction of this country's electorate. If they cared that much wouldn't they already be mad at the ones who wouldn't sign the petition?

they run the risk of being primaried by someone who will tell QANON what they want to hear. 

Remember, Democrats didn't care about this until Trump told Blondie to cover it up.

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Just now, tx 3 putt said:

 

oddly specific number 🤔🤔🤔

Like someone said, she probably has been told he definitely fucked some 15 year olds and is throwing it out there to test the waters if maga will accept it as okay if they were released.

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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I'm surprised she said 15 instead of 16 which is the age of consent in some states. I don't think 15 is legal anywhere. 

We're going to hear sometime soon, "What are children, if not young adults? If they can drive a car then why can't they have sex?". We're going to see some truly awful stuff I'm afraid. 

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3 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

is 12 the new 15 ???

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You would think so. 

If all this information was available to Biden why did he not just release it and have Trump arrested? All this garbage would never have happened. I just don't understand the Democratic Party. 

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3 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Like someone said, she probably has been told he definitely fucked some 15 year olds and is throwing it out there to test the waters if maga will accept it as okay if they were released.

 

maga cult yeah, she was 15 then but she's 40ish now so who cares ???

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25 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The real uncomfortable question is how many MAGA posters on Surly are child abusers?

Child abusers hopefully not many. 

Dudes who have at least asked themselves what's really the difference between 16 and 18? Way too fucking many.

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28 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The real uncomfortable question is how many MAGA posters on Surly are child abusers?

Well one is in the clergy, so one confirmed.

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ok, so in regards to megyn kelly, let's game this out.

it sounds like her issue is one of semantics. the term "pedophile" should be reserved, in her opinion, to people with a vile sickness which makes them attracted to literal children (pre-teens or younger), correct?  whereas people who are attracted to "younger looking girls" are not "pedophiles" by the/her definition of the term. they're just statutory rapists/serial rapists/sex-traffickers/and so forth (yay?).

so now for the gaming this out part. i admit i am not super familiar with the nuances of these two groups. i worked for a scumbag who liked young, college-aged girls, but as i told a grand jury - he's a scumbag who did shitty things, but most of them were legal. the reason the underage case against joe ultimately failed was because they couldn't make the rico case that under-18 girls-on-camera was part of a concerted effort to do that. all evidence pointed the other direction, of sloppy oversight. it was the tax evasion and lawsuits that got him in hot water (and prison).

this situation seemed purposely illegal in so so many ways, not a "she told me she was 18" scenario we joke about.

so if we're saying that pedophiles - real pedophiles - have an actual chemically imbalanced sickness that they cannot control, and that this is not that. doesn't this, and hear me out, seem much much much worse?  epstein (and possibly trump and certainly dozens of others) absolutely could control themselves, did not have any mental/clinical condition, and chose to do it anyway, forcefully and repeatedly, knowing it was not only sick and wrong, but totally illegal, punished by decades in prison for good reason.

if we're just talking here, i could make the case that megyn kelly's argument actually makes it worse. if the argument is that these men were not 'sick', but just rich and powerful and knowing they could get away with anything they wanted, that makes them far worse than someone who should locked away in some sort of facility, something you may see in an svu episode or more likely a dark, british crime series (only 4 episodes), and possibly be chemically castrated or studied or whatever the fuck.

from what we know about epstein and maxwell and any of the other shitbags on these lists and included in these emails, they should be locked under the fucking jail, and anyone who was complicit should have to answer for it as well. so thanks, megyn, for some clarity on the subject.

 

*for the purpose of messaging, i agree that using the word "pedophile" is stronger and should absolutely be used in any type of political attack. there's an important midterm a year away, and hanging "pedophile protector" around any congressman or senator should absolutely be something that happens and is the only way they pay for this, since presumably trump cannot run again. using the term "rapist" or even "statutory rapist" is too confusing and ignores the ages of these girls. there are also people who love to conflate all of trump's rape charges/accusations with clinton's sordid history with women, and you absolutely know that's what would come next. this was merely an exercise in analyzing what she could possibly have meant, and as pointed out, where and when this trial balloon will pop.

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Correspondent dude on MSNBC just now was like “Yeah this isn’t passing the senate and they won’t overturn Trump’s veto even if it did, so this is all over nothing.”

oh.

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Even if you don’t win, it would be awesome to campaign against a pedophile enabling shithead. Just go full scorched earth. Every sentence ends with unlike my opponent I don’t support pedophilia. If you are in favor of fucking underage kids, vote for my opponent. I don’t want anything to do with you. 

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Kompromat confirmed. I gotta look for these Epstein E-mails to Lavrov in 2018, recalling the Alaska summit earlier this year.

I can't find the MSM articles that reported this, but there was a moment with Putin's envoy when Trump's cabinet members left a speech stunned / blushing.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/karoline-leavitt-looked-ashen-almost-frightened-after-alaska-summit-with-putin/ar-AA1KELpI?ocid=oie8dlpg

 

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Posted
2 hours ago, Underdog said:

Haven’t you heard? The infants have already been ran off, amiright, @realgreggym
 

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I think this is the most pathetic photo I’ve ever seen. 

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1 hour ago, Tuco said:

The right wing focus on pedophilia and sex trafficking was always the replacement for calling their opponents faggots.  As gay marriage became more accepted by society as a whole, pedophilia accusations is what they started attacking liberals with, despite there being zero evidence liberals are more likely to be pedophiles.  They had to maintain this fantasy they were morally superior to the perverted liberals.  And then they push into it into any kind of discussion of gay rights.  

Disagree. It’s yet another “every accusation is a confession”. They are obsessed with deviant sex because they are repressed and secretly ashamed. 

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4 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

I think this is the most pathetic photo I’ve ever seen. 

I thought they hated trans people? This is definitely a dude.

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11 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

GOPs release tomorrow 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

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Are you guys saying there is a second, unrelated diddler?

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22 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Correspondent dude on MSNBC just now was like “Yeah this isn’t passing the senate and they won’t overturn Trump’s veto even if it did, so this is all over nothing.”

oh.

Make the sonofabitch deny it.

Trump wouldn't be working so hard on the discharge petition if he wasn't deathly afraid of votes in the House, Senate, and his own veto.

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Make the sonofabitch deny it.
Trump wouldn't be working so hard on the discharge petition if he wasn't deathly afraid of votes in the House, Senate, and his own veto.

He also said “Even if this were to somehow pass, the DOJ still might just not release anything damaging to Trump.”

oh. Bucket of cold water, that dude.
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Just now, Red Five said:


He also said “Even if this were to somehow pass, the DOJ still might just not release anything damaging to Trump.”

oh. Bucket of cold water, that dude.

That's very likely true.  I'm not even sure Congress really has the power to compel an executive branch agency, like DOJ, to do anything.

Yes, they pass the laws that govern the agency and that the agency enforces, but I'm not sure about this kind of thing.  

It's probably blurry enough to bog the thing down in litigation for 3-4-5 years.

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's very likely true.  I'm not even sure Congress really has the power to compel an executive branch agency, like DOJ, to do anything.

Yes, they pass the laws that govern the agency and that the agency enforces, but I'm not sure about this kind of thing.  

It's probably blurry enough to bog the thing down in litigation for 3-4-5 years.

Well oiled machine we’ve got going there in Washington. 

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Sure glad Congress waited until now to subpoena emails from his estate as opposed to say about a year and half ago.  It would have been nice to at least allow the voters to read this shit.  Doubt it changes anything which is sad.

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29 minutes ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Even if you don’t win, it would be awesome to campaign against a pedophile enabling shithead. Just go full scorched earth. Every sentence ends with unlike my opponent I don’t support pedophilia. If you are in favor of fucking underage kids, vote for my opponent. I don’t want anything to do with you. 

They should substitute pedophile for child rapist every time they talk about the child rapists.

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14 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Make the sonofabitch deny it.

Trump wouldn't be working so hard on the discharge petition if he wasn't deathly afraid of votes in the House, Senate, and his own veto.

No shit. Also, the Senate blocking this is a good way to make @Zonahorn's fantasy of a Dem sweep a reality. 

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10 minutes ago, Red Five said:


He also said “Even if this were to somehow pass, the DOJ still might just not release anything damaging to Trump.”

oh. Bucket of cold water, that dude.

At Trump’s direction. Bondi. Patel and company would destroy everything that could bring him down, knowing that he will pardon them. They’d better hope he doesn’t die suddenly.

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