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55 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

Why do you hate white people so much? I'm mexican and I love white people. None of my mexican friends or family hate white people. Honestly, it seems like a subset of white people hate white people more than anyone else. 

It begins with self loathing and spreads from there.

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15 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Wow, do you have any idea as to the irony of your view? You’ve just called anyone that doesn’t agree with your progressive view point a political idiot.  That statement alone demonstrates more idiocy than many of the people you are complaining about.   

There’s a reason 55-60%+ of this country doesn’t embrace all of the ideas of progressives and it isn’t because they are all idiots. Far from it. If it wasn’t for moderates in this country we’d have such extreme policies from each party that the country couldn’t even function. 

We actually have extremely right-wing policies and it was dumb moderates who gave them to us.

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14 minutes ago, gmr548 said:


I don’t have any reason to believe you’re a racist or a Trumper, but you’ve definitely got a victim complex that tells me you came from texags.

You’re right. I joined the site in March 2018 as a false flag so I could execute my master plan of commenting on the Virginia gubernatorial race almost 4 years later. Nothing gets by you.

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1 minute ago, pacman said:

 

A red voting guide, by an actual proctor in the voting room ?  Meaning a voting guide for republican candidates or did they mis hear the proctor who said something about do you want a voting guide that walks you thru the voting process step by step ?  Or did she get handed a republican voting guide outside the voting precinct building. which happens with both parties at all precincts.

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Another perspective.  https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/11/03/left-coalition-says-mcauliffe-campaign-was-controlled-experiment-what-not-do-2022

"As corporate Democrats rushed to baselessly pin McAuliffe's loss on progressives in Congress, the Battle Born Collective, Justice Democrats, the Sunrise Movement, and United We Dream Action argued in a joint statement that the former Virginia governor's campaign for his old post was "designed to fail."

"What happened in Virginia is what happens when Democrats fail to take on the GOP's divide-and-conquer racism and motivate people to turn out," the progressive coalition said. "The McAuliffe campaign had no comprehensive pro-worker economic message against a literal private equity magnate."

Far from offering Virginians a clear policy agenda and a positive vision for the future, McAuliffe—who previously served as chair of the Democratic National Committee—"ran the milquetoast campaign he wanted to run," the groups continued. "Every other word he uttered was 'Donald Trump' instead of focusing on the issues voters cared about the most."

"This was a controlled experiment for what NOT to do in 2022," the coalition added. "This is what it looks like when Democrats get caught flat-footed and let Republicans dictate the terms of the debate by manufacturing a fake 'education crisis.' It does not have to be this way. There is still time to adopt an inclusive economic message that crowds out racist dog whistles... This should be a wake-up call for Democrats: Give people something to vote for or watch yourselves become the very thing they resoundingly vote against."

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McAuliffe's loss to Republican Glenn Youngkin and an unexpectedly close gubernatorial race in the blue state of New Jersey were seen as potential harbingers of what's to come in the 2022 midterms, as Democrats cling to narrow majorities in both chambers of the U.S. Congress.

"The circumstances in the two governor's races all but confirmed the collapse of the coalition that propelled Democrats to power during the Donald Trump administration and Joe Biden to the presidency in 2020," the Washington Post reported late Tuesday. "In the election's wake, there were fresh doubts in the party about Biden's ability to push his domestic agenda across the finish line, and to repel the new attacks Republicans have opened on culture fronts, especially over schools."

But progressives argued that Democratic losses in 2022 are not inevitable—as long as the party learns from McAuliffe's defeat and adjusts its message and actions accordingly.

In a column for Common Dreams on Wednesday, progressive writer Richard Eskow noted that McAuliffe's campaign website was filled with "vague platitudes and promises" instead of straightforward and popular economic messaging—a serious problem in a race in which voters ranked the economy as the top issue.

The "Economy" section of McAuliffe's website, for instance, pledged "critical investments in building and training the workforce of the future and ensuring that people of all ages have the skills they need to be successful in the jobs of tomorrow."

"Terry will achieve this through targeted investments in workforce training and development, partnering with businesses and our educational institutions to re-skill and retrain Virginians, and reimagining our K-12 education system so that every child has access to a world-class education and is workforce-ready upon graduation," the page reads.

Eskow further observed that, in lieu of a compelling economic platform, McAuliffe attempted to "make the election a referendum on Donald Trump," a strategy that "was a failure since Trump wasn't on the ballot."

"After 10 months of Democratic government in Washington, voters saw little action that improved their lives," Eskow wrote. "People need real help navigating the current economic crisis."

In September, McAuliffe sided with corporate Democrats in Congress by describing the Build Back Better Act's original $3.5 trillion top-line spending level as "too high"—even as polling from the same month showed that nearly 60% of Virginians supported that amount of spending on Democrats' social spending and climate package.

The reconciliation bill has since been cut roughly in half and stripped of popular provisions such as dental and vision benefits to appease Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), and other conservative Democrats in Congress.

In a statement on Wednesday, the We Demand More Coalition—which is composed of dozens of women-led advocacy groups—said that "last night's elections in Virginia and across the country demonstrated that if Democrats want to remain competitive, they must deliver for the voters who turned out for them in 2020."

"The Build Back Better Act is a critical investment toward building an economy that truly works for all women, caregivers, and families across demographics and geographic locations," the coalition added. "While we are grateful to our elected leaders as they fight for these historic investments, last night's elections showed us that voters need them to get the job done."

Rabbi Jason Kimelman-Block, Washington director of Bend the Arc: Jewish Action, echoed that sentiment, declaring, "This moment demands bold progressive action that meaningfully improves people's lives."

"McAuliffe's loss in Virginia shows why passing a robust recovery plan should be the top priority for congressional Democrats," Kimelman-Block said Wednesday. "If Democrats want to keep their majorities in Congress next year, they should listen to the progressive champions pushing for a strong Build Back Better plan that lifts everyone up today while investing in our shared future."

 

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1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

A red voting guide, by an actual proctor in the voting room ?  Meaning a voting guide for republican candidates or did they mis hear the proctor who said something about do you want a voting guide that walks you thru the voting process step by step ?  Or did she get handed a republican voting guide outside the voting precinct building. which happens with both parties at all precincts.

The implication would be  the former given she got the ballot first, I'm guessing the middle thing is maybe what happened and they misunderstood.  

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11 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Another perspective.  https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/11/03/left-coalition-says-mcauliffe-campaign-was-controlled-experiment-what-not-do-2022

"As corporate Democrats rushed to baselessly pin McAuliffe's loss on progressives in Congress, the Battle Born Collective, Justice Democrats, the Sunrise Movement, and United We Dream Action argued in a joint statement that the former Virginia governor's campaign for his old post was "designed to fail."

"What happened in Virginia is what happens when Democrats fail to take on the GOP's divide-and-conquer racism and motivate people to turn out," the progressive coalition said. "The McAuliffe campaign had no comprehensive pro-worker economic message against a literal private equity magnate."

Far from offering Virginians a clear policy agenda and a positive vision for the future, McAuliffe—who previously served as chair of the Democratic National Committee—"ran the milquetoast campaign he wanted to run," the groups continued. "Every other word he uttered was 'Donald Trump' instead of focusing on the issues voters cared about the most."

"This was a controlled experiment for what NOT to do in 2022," the coalition added. "This is what it looks like when Democrats get caught flat-footed and let Republicans dictate the terms of the debate by manufacturing a fake 'education crisis.' It does not have to be this way. There is still time to adopt an inclusive economic message that crowds out racist dog whistles... This should be a wake-up call for Democrats: Give people something to vote for or watch yourselves become the very thing they resoundingly vote against."

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McAuliffe's loss to Republican Glenn Youngkin and an unexpectedly close gubernatorial race in the blue state of New Jersey were seen as potential harbingers of what's to come in the 2022 midterms, as Democrats cling to narrow majorities in both chambers of the U.S. Congress.

"The circumstances in the two governor's races all but confirmed the collapse of the coalition that propelled Democrats to power during the Donald Trump administration and Joe Biden to the presidency in 2020," the Washington Post reported late Tuesday. "In the election's wake, there were fresh doubts in the party about Biden's ability to push his domestic agenda across the finish line, and to repel the new attacks Republicans have opened on culture fronts, especially over schools."

But progressives argued that Democratic losses in 2022 are not inevitable—as long as the party learns from McAuliffe's defeat and adjusts its message and actions accordingly.

In a column for Common Dreams on Wednesday, progressive writer Richard Eskow noted that McAuliffe's campaign website was filled with "vague platitudes and promises" instead of straightforward and popular economic messaging—a serious problem in a race in which voters ranked the economy as the top issue.

The "Economy" section of McAuliffe's website, for instance, pledged "critical investments in building and training the workforce of the future and ensuring that people of all ages have the skills they need to be successful in the jobs of tomorrow."

"Terry will achieve this through targeted investments in workforce training and development, partnering with businesses and our educational institutions to re-skill and retrain Virginians, and reimagining our K-12 education system so that every child has access to a world-class education and is workforce-ready upon graduation," the page reads.

Eskow further observed that, in lieu of a compelling economic platform, McAuliffe attempted to "make the election a referendum on Donald Trump," a strategy that "was a failure since Trump wasn't on the ballot."

"After 10 months of Democratic government in Washington, voters saw little action that improved their lives," Eskow wrote. "People need real help navigating the current economic crisis."

In September, McAuliffe sided with corporate Democrats in Congress by describing the Build Back Better Act's original $3.5 trillion top-line spending level as "too high"—even as polling from the same month showed that nearly 60% of Virginians supported that amount of spending on Democrats' social spending and climate package.

The reconciliation bill has since been cut roughly in half and stripped of popular provisions such as dental and vision benefits to appease Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), and other conservative Democrats in Congress.

In a statement on Wednesday, the We Demand More Coalition—which is composed of dozens of women-led advocacy groups—said that "last night's elections in Virginia and across the country demonstrated that if Democrats want to remain competitive, they must deliver for the voters who turned out for them in 2020."

"The Build Back Better Act is a critical investment toward building an economy that truly works for all women, caregivers, and families across demographics and geographic locations," the coalition added. "While we are grateful to our elected leaders as they fight for these historic investments, last night's elections showed us that voters need them to get the job done."

Rabbi Jason Kimelman-Block, Washington director of Bend the Arc: Jewish Action, echoed that sentiment, declaring, "This moment demands bold progressive action that meaningfully improves people's lives."

"McAuliffe's loss in Virginia shows why passing a robust recovery plan should be the top priority for congressional Democrats," Kimelman-Block said Wednesday. "If Democrats want to keep their majorities in Congress next year, they should listen to the progressive champions pushing for a strong Build Back Better plan that lifts everyone up today while investing in our shared future."

 

I completely agree that the shambolic Democratic Congress hurt their state level candidates; and if they had managed to accomplish something it would have boosted their chances by association. 
 

That said, the Governor of Virginia has shit to do with any of that legislation. He does have a lot to do with education in Virginia and unsurprisingly, the GOP seized on it, turned it into an emotional issue, and then cackled as their opponent told the parents of Virginia to stay the hell out of their own kids’ schools. 
 

This column is the lowest form of political argument. A progressive coalition says more progressive politics are the answer, story at 10. They offer almost no data, and you have to realize that regardless of the outcome, this coalition would write the same gotdamn column: “the results of this election night show that our policies are the way forward.” It’s PR and not any sort of analysis. 

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20 minutes ago, 956 Worldwide said:

This column is the lowest form of political argument. A progressive coalition says more progressive politics are the answer, story at 10. They offer almost no data, and you have to realize that regardless of the outcome, this coalition would write the same gotdamn column: “the results of this election night show that our policies are the way forward.” It’s PR and not any sort of analysis. 

Disagree. It defines the teams, of which there are three primary players presently - trumpers, neoliberal "centrists" and progressives.

The left (where DEI/CRT has backing) has zero power in this equation, because progressives occupy the lanes where the left might make inroads and progressives are not as hip on identity politics (one reason why the left hates progressives). 

The neoliberal centrists hold the most power, with the trumpers in a close second.

In many ways, the 2021 VA Gov. election was a scaled down 2016 presidential election: A centrist neoliberal plugged into the Establishment and locked into the status quo v. an self-proclaimed outsider using culture war tactics. We know how those elections turn out (like they did in Virginia last night).

A candidate must stand for something other than "I am not Donald Trump." 

2020 was a remarkable show of unity to beat Donald Trump. I am afraid that unity grows weaker each day. 

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3 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I just like things that move at a slower pace, less radical change.  R party has largely left me, but Ds definitely haven’t filled the void. If anything, they’ve made me hold my nose more than they did 10 years ago. A man without a party :( 

So you want things to go back to how they used to be, huh?  Yeah, that is a pretty shit argument.  Truth is, the world has changed rapidly, and the US Government has not changed with it as it should have.  With great change, comes massive opportunity for all people.  It is like you do not want others to have the same opportunity you have been afforded.  Did I get that right?

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3 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Nope not at all, but Dennison has this idea we're somehow unique in the racism that's been in our country since forever.

So what, you just throw your hands up and say, "It has been here forever, and we aren't going to try and do anything about it."

Doesn't sound like the bastion of equality that the United States aspires to be.  You know, that shining city on a hill.  

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2 hours ago, Dbeasy said:

Wow, do you have any idea as to the irony of your view? You’ve just called anyone that doesn’t agree with your progressive view point a political idiot.  That statement alone demonstrates more idiocy than many of the people you are complaining about.   

There’s a reason 55-60%+ of this country doesn’t embrace all of the ideas of progressives and it isn’t because they are all idiots. Far from it. If it wasn’t for moderates in this country we’d have such extreme policies from each party that the country couldn’t even function. 

Oh boy, another Limbaugh dogmatist spewing up the usual vomit for the usual diners.

I actually don't say that people who disagree with me form the only body of idiots in the electorate. My contempt for the electorate has become universal. You could have bothered to notice that one part of the spectrum I describe as having their heads up their asses as the republic unravels. Maybe that's high praise where you come from. (Who knows, maybe it is and should be.)

But you pander to these bright men and women who just can't bear my wildly progressive views!

Oh, by the way, what are my alienating, pointy-headed, and, according to you, idiotic progressive views?

And since you guys struggle with it:

IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! 

Am I a feminazi? An environmental wacko? A raving socialist just dying to create a nanny state? Please, Rush, let me know how I offend thee. Explain my offensive, arrogant tone that's so...so...offputting.

Or just fuck off.

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2 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Oh boy, another Limbaugh dogmatist spewing up the usual vomit for the usual diners.

I actually don't say that people who disagree with me form the only body of idiots in the electorate. My contempt for the electorate has become universal. You could have bothered to notice that one part of the spectrum I describe as having their heads up their asses as the republic unravels. Maybe that's high praise where you come from. (Who knows, maybe it is and should be.)

But you pander to these bright men and women who just can't bear my wildly progressive views!

Oh, by the way, what are my alienating, pointy-headed, and, according to you, idiotic progressive views?

And since you guys struggle with it:

IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! IRONY ALERT! 

Am I a feminazi? An environmental wacko? A raving socialist just dying to create a nanny state? Please, Rush, let me know how I offend thee. Explain my offensive, arrogant tone that's so...so...offputting.

Or just fuck off.

Quoting your hysterical response is all that’s needed to reinforce the fact that your view is idiotic. Debating you is quite simple. Control C, paste. 

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4 hours ago, David Dennison said:

This is the exact argument made by Southern Democrats when it came time to pass the Civil and Voting Rights Acts.

Also the exact argument made against Pol Pot.   I guess it depends on whether the thing in question is actually so unjust and in need of change, and whether the proposed radical change is actually a good idea?    

Like, maybe Jim Crow was worse than 2021 America?  And maybe the Civil Rights Act was a better idea than defunding the police?

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4 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

Also the exact argument made against Pol Pot.   I guess it depends on whether the thing in question is actually so unjust and in need of change, and whether the proposed radical change is actually a good idea?    

Like, maybe Jim Crow was worse than 2021 America?  And maybe the Civil Rights Act was a better idea than defunding the police?

A quick look at social and economic statistics illustrates quite convincingly that structural racism in the United States is unjust and in need of change. But at least it's better than the Jim Crow era.

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13 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Quoting your hysterical response is all that’s needed to reinforce the fact that your view is idiotic. Debating you is quite simple. Control C, paste. 

I have no doubt that those keys are just about worn out on your keyboard.

Surrender accepted.

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9 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

No, you didn’t, actually.  You don’t think America was healthier between say ‘92 thru ‘16?  What significant advancements have been made from ‘16 thru present?  

Well, no advancements happened between January 1, 2017 and January 1, 2021 because of the party of no and their orange god.  We took a massive step back post 9/11 thanks to the Patriot Act.  Citizens United also fucked all sorts of shit up.  

There were improvements that both W and Obama tried to make (W with immigration, Obama with the ACA) that either failed miserably due to the right of his own party or was written poorly because lobbyists for the insurance industry wrote the damn thing.  

However, the US really started going downhill with Nixon in the 70's.  Real wages stagnated, and still have never caught up.  Meanwhile, with the advent of trickle down economics, the wealth gap gets bigger and bigger.  

I used to be like you.  But one thing that is apparent in NYC. I am well off, but I am nowhere near the ultra-rich here.  I may be white, but I am also a woman.  I have clawed my way in a male dominated industry, generally being paid 25-30% less than my male counterparts who do not have the experience or quite frankly the talent that I do.  So while I may not know what it is like to be a minority, I absolutely know what is like to not be taken seriously because of what isn't between my legs.  

You arguments tell me all I need to know about you.

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53 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

So what, you just throw your hands up and say, "It has been here forever, and we aren't going to try and do anything about it."

Doesn't sound like the bastion of equality that the United States aspires to be.  You know, that shining city on a hill.  

I'd gladly respond to your question, but you've been Such a bitch the last 24 hours you can just go on your way down the fuck you road Penelope.

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7 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

I'd gladly respond to your question, but you've been Such a bitch the last 24 hours you can just go on your way down the fuck you road Penelope.

wow. that's truly awful.

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4 minutes ago, yoladu said:

wow. that's truly awful.

He is pissed because he has been called out on his bullshit.  Fuck it.

Also, not as bad as another poster who will remain nameless hoping that I died in a fire last night because the NYFD was shorthanded due to vaccine mandates.  Seriously, COVID broke some people, but for many, they are just really showing us who they really are.  

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12 hours ago, yoladu said:

wow. that's truly awful.

Yeah go look at my posts and see the little fuck emojis next to every one from dear old Penelope.  Then come back and respond again..

EDIT: oh look it’s fidge nuggets trying to white knight. Can’t make an argument so he does a road rage drive by.  I’m Crushed. Crushed I say.  The cabal still going strong.  It’s gonna take a nuclear regulatory approve contamination shower to get the stink  off me.

 

hahahahahahah the melt down is delicious.

the Democrats couldn’t come up with a candidate who could beat a guy who never ran a political race in his life and a clean sweep in Va of the Democrats .  
 

Take a good look cause that’s the reality that may face the national candidates if you can’t come up with someone better than someone who only checks  the box of yep I’m female and yep I’m black so vote for me( she can only give out so many blow jobs).

 As for mr Biden that poor man is a brain cell away from another aneurism 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

He is pissed because he has been called out on his bullshit.  Fuck it.

Also, not as bad as another poster who will remain nameless hoping that I died in a fire last night because the NYFD was shorthanded due to vaccine mandates.  Seriously, COVID broke some people, but for many, they are just really showing us who they really are.  

Weren’t you the one claiming you should be prioritized for the covid vaccine because you pay more in taxes than poor people? And the one that refuses to visit your parents because they live in the state of Texas?

That other poster was obviously a dipshit. But maybe covid showed us who YOU really are.

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25 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

He is pissed because he has been called out on his bullshit.  Fuck it.

Also, not as bad as another poster who will remain nameless hoping that I died in a fire last night because the NYFD was shorthanded due to vaccine mandates.  Seriously, COVID broke some people, but for many, they are just really showing us who they really are.  

No I'm pissed because you've gone behind just about every post I've made in the last 24 hours with your little fuck you emoji. You got pissed because I called you out on a lame comment that everyone was ignorant because they didn't vote the way you think they should have in my  states election. That's about when it started ma'am.

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11 hours ago, Passive Aggressive Coach said:

Well, look at the exit polls. #1 issue economy. It's why this was not just a VA phenomenon. People are voting with their pocketbooks being hurt by inflation and frustrated with supply chain issues. 

The big bipartisan lie of politics is that this stuff is the outcome of elections. 

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49 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

Weren’t you the one claiming you should be prioritized for the covid vaccine because you pay more in taxes than poor people? And the one that refuses to visit your parents because they live in the state of Texas?

That other poster was obviously a dipshit. But maybe covid showed us who YOU really are.

Um, no.  What I said, and I will type slowly since reading comprehension isn’t something you are good at, is that I am not going to PAY to fly to Amarillo, Texas to jump the line to get a shot since I am a New York State and city resident, and my tax dollars have gone to making sure that the vaccine is free for everyone.  Yeah, it sucked that appointments were that fucking backed up, but it was what it was.  Completely different argument, then again, you are a disingenuous asshole, so par for the course.
 

I refuse to step foot in the State of Texas since you all have decided to force women to carry children to term and allow any asshole to carry a gun.  Why the fuck would I ever contribute economically to that state?  My parents are aware of my stance.  Pretty fucking sure I am not alone in this either.  But you be you.

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51 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yeah go look at my posts and see the little fuck emojis next to every one from dear old Penelope.  Then come back and respond again..

So, another Daily Texan snow flake crying about rep and safe spaces.  You have come in this thread and crowed about how Youngkin is a political outsider and will not bow the knee to Trump.  Yet you continue to vote for a political party who has bought all in on the Big Lie, treats minorities and women as second class citizens, and wants to prevent all eligible voters from being able to do so.  If you cannot handle it, and don’t want to get negged, then leave.

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32 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

I congratulate the Virginia R's on winning with a candidate who looks as if he can conjugate irregular verbs, and does not make me think of snake-handling tent revivals or guys at a kiosk in the mall selling Dead Sea cleansing salt crystals.

If you ever did stand-up, I'd pay to watch. I'll bring my snake to watch also.

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41 minutes ago, Bravo said:

Wait a minute, you wont travel to see your family because you dont want to spend money in Texas? That actually makes me sad for your parents. You make your parents travel to see you all the time? That seems out there. Family always 1st. Screw politics. 

I’m sure they’re crushed. 

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48 minutes ago, Bravo said:

Wait a minute, you wont travel to see your family because you dont want to spend money in Texas? That actually makes me sad for your parents. You make your parents travel to see you all the time? That seems out there. Family always 1st. Screw politics. 

Why the fuck do you care?

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