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15 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump doesn’t understand that the request by Putin was a “haha fuck you, we’re not giving you our spies and we will make you reject this ludicrous offer.”

Trump actually took the offer seriously because he’s a treasonous moron.

Russia is like, “this should end well.”

Putin must just be astonished at the shit he can pull.

Putin: "Da, Mister Trump, you can talk to these so-called spies of ours, if we can interrogate yours too."

Trump: "Cool beans, Vlad. Sounds good to me! An incredible offer. I'll get my people right on that!"

Putin: "..." "..." "..." (Stifles laugh. Convulses. Shoulders quiver. He tries to speak. Wipes brow. Looks to floor. Almost loses it again. Tries not to make eye contact with GRU translator, who is also about to lose it. Deep breath. Another deep breath)

"I think that is a very wise course of action, Mr President."

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html

 

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Two weeks before his inauguration, Donald J. Trump was shown highly classified intelligence indicating that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia had personally ordered complex cyberattacks to sway the 2016 American election.

The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.

Mr. Trump sounded grudgingly convinced, according to several people who attended the intelligence briefing. But ever since, Mr. Trump has tried to cloud the very clear findings that he received on Jan. 6, 2017, which his own intelligence leaders have unanimously endorsed.

The shifting narrative underscores the degree to which Mr. Trump regularly picks and chooses intelligence to suit his political purposes. That has never been more clear than this week.

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The Jan. 6, 2017, meeting, held at Trump Tower, was a prime example. He was briefed that day by John O. Brennan, the C.I.A. director; James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence; and Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency and the commander of United States Cyber Command.

The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, was also there; after the formal briefing, he privately told Mr. Trump about the “Steele dossier.” That report, by a former British intelligence officer, included uncorroborated salacious stories of Mr. Trump’s activities during a visit to Moscow, which he denied.

According to nearly a dozen people who either attended the meeting with the president-elect or were later briefed on it, the four primary intelligence officials described the streams of intelligence that convinced them of Mr. Putin’s role in the election interference.

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They included stolen emails from the Democratic National Committee that had been seen in Russian military intelligence networks by the British, Dutch and American intelligence services. Officers of the Russian intelligence agency formerly known as the G.R.U. had plotted with groups like WikiLeaks on how to release the email stash.

And ultimately, several human sources had confirmed Mr. Putin’s own role.

That included one particularly valuable source, who was considered so sensitive that Mr. Brennan had declined to refer to it in any way in the Presidential Daily Brief during the final months of the Obama administration, as the Russia investigation intensified.

Instead, to keep the information from being shared widely, Mr. Brennan sent reports from the source to Mr. Obama and a small group of top national security aides in a separate, white envelope to assure its security.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Trump is doing his best to turn the country against Republicans.

Spineless, Vichy Republicans are doing their best to  turn the country against Republicans.  I mean, those Spineless, Vichy Republicans who weren't among the ranks of deplorables who previously turned the country against Republicans.

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On 7/17/2018 at 2:39 PM, Barbara said:

They are going to kill him aren't they.

 

 

I was watching this live and when the lights went off, I honestly thought DOTUS was going to get whacked.

 

24 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I mean this isn’t t ally happening, is it? It’s turning full on spy and conspiracy novel. So Putin wants trump to send those people over there? And is trump agreeing to it? 

No fucking way that can happen, right? That would be outright treason  No other word you could call that. 

I thought the Russian investigators were going to come over here for the interrogations.

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Seems like a lot of you guys aren't happy with Trump and the way our government is working.

Seems like some of you realize the party system is completely broken and there is no real dividing line between the representatives in Congress and executive and the powerful interests that work against the good of the people.

*VERY LOUD COUGHING*

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Bears repeating: If you have George Soros money, and you want a Socialist Marxist Communist in charge of the USA in the future, you don’t support Bernie or Hillary, you support Trump. 
Trump is doing his best to turn the country against Republicans.

Joke or moron? I can’t tell anymore.
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I was 13 when Nixon resigned and remember seeing everything about Watergate on tv. But I was too young to really feel the day to day angst that led to the last days. I'm guessing it was like what I'm feeling these days. I keep wondering where the bottom is. With every new revelation we seem to be going further and further down and I keep wondering if this is the thing that finally turns the GOP against him. So far we've not reached it, but there has to be a bottom, right? Today he threw the leaders of the intelligence community for the past 20+ years under the bus, and we learned he is an accessory after the fact. He knew what happened  with the meddling and has done everything to cover it up. I have no belief that this is the bottom, but please tell me there is one. 

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5 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

I keep wondering where the bottom is. With every new revelation we seem to be going further and further down and I keep wondering if this is the thing that finally turns the GOP against him.

No. There is nothing.

What we're learning is that this is all way closer to Hugoland than we've wanted to believe. It's a Tom Clancy novel plot with John Kennedy Toole characters.

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15 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

It appears that the intelligence community has had enough of his bullshit.

IC has been keeping its powder dry for a looong time.  NATO debacle followed by the Putin/Puppet show created the perfect storm to move.  Definitely feels like a surge is happening.

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6 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

IC has been keeping its powder dry for a looong time.  NATO debacle followed by the Putin/Puppet show created the perfect storm to move.  Definitely feels like a surge is happening.

If that's the case, God only knows what the next reveal will be.   And honestly, nothing, nothing would surprise me now.  1.5 years of this shit has hardened me enough that nothing is off-limits.  All one can do is just wonder what is the theoretical limit of humiliation that congressional republicans need.

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I keep expecting some morning to wake up, flip on the tv, and find a highly pixelated video of Trump and two urinating hookers in a Russian bedroom. 

And then I will log on here and the remaining tards and trolls and Fox pundits will be posting relentlessly about how the video was faked. 

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It's also significant that the House GOP push to impeach Rosenstein abruptly fizzled.  Jim Jordan indicated last Fri the move could happen as early as Monday.  Gowdy on Sunday said ain't happening.  Then in the last day Trump puppy Matt Gaetz reported they lacked the GOP votes to move to impeach.  I think lines are being drawn within the ranks.  One of the next shoes to drop will HAVE to be the Russia/NRA/RNC-GOP laundered campaign money.  Once Mueller breaches Congress with indictments along that plane, the whole slab breaks loose.

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36 minutes ago, TornACL said:

I keep expecting some morning to wake up, flip on the tv, and find a highly pixelated video of Trump and two urinating hookers in a Russian bedroom. 

And then I will log on here and the remaining tards and trolls and Fox pundits will be posting relentlessly about how the video was faked. 

Come now. The Russians have HD cameras. 

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https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/18/1781619/-Art-of-the-Bum-Deal-Donald-Trump-has-managed-to-increase-the-cost-of-Air-Force-One-by-1-billion

 

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However, the true cost of two new Air Force One planes, was budgeted at $2.87 billion. Though some estimates put the total at $3.73 billion by the time of completion in 2026, that still didn’t put it to the number Trump was throwing around. But Trump was okay with that. According to him, “Boeing is doing a little bit of a number” and trying to make too much money off the contract. But Trump would show them who was boss.

Even before he sat down in the Oval Office, Trump claimed that he had been on the phone with Boeing and chopped down that big number. It was a claim he repeated several times in his first few months in office—his go-to example of his negotiating skills.

Trump: We've got that price down by over $1 billion and I probably haven't spoken for more than an hour on the project,

However, within a few weeks, the White House website had chopped Trump savings from “over a billion” to “millions.” And now, Donald Trump has completed his negotiations, coming up with a new price of … $3.9 billion. That’s right. After two years of negotiation, Donald Trump’s price is a billion dollars higher than where he started. No wonder everyone loves to negotiate with Trump.

 

 

 

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Trump is claiming that the new contract saved either “$1.5 billion” or “$1.4 billion” over the original contract. Except it doesn’t. The original contract was actually the $2.87 billion figure. The $3.73 billion was a projected cost running forward to 2026 and anticipating inflation and cost overruns. Trump has now reset the base value to $3.9 billion. Nowhere did anyone project any kind of number that would make Trump’s $3.9 billion a “savings.”

Trump has actually raised the cost of this project by over $1 billion.

 

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/7/18/1781619/-Art-of-the-Bum-Deal-Donald-Trump-has-managed-to-increase-the-cost-of-Air-Force-One-by-1-billion

 

Him fixating on Air Force One reminds me of how Hitler spent his last few months in the bunker tinkering with scale models of his ideal Third Reich Berlin with his personal architect Albert Speer. A nice distraction to take his mind off how just how fucked he knows he is. 

adolf-hitler-discusses-a-model-of-a-buil

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nivek said:


Joke or moron? I can’t tell anymore.

We have a draft-dodging Republican President who shits on Vietnam POWs and Gold Star families, and who is openly wanting to believe the fucking ex-KGB leader of Russia over the military and intelligence community of the USA.  A President who has been given ample opportunity by the media to call out Putin for his lying, his electoral interference, his murderous ways, and instead he acts like a fanboy who wants to believe in the facade and not the reality.

Please, tell the class how that helps the Republican brand.

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7 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

We have a draft-dodging Republican President who shits on Vietnam POWs and Gold Star families, and who is openly wanting to believe the fucking ex-KGB leader of Russia over the military and intelligence community of the USA.  A President who has been given ample opportunity by the media to call out Putin for his lying, his electoral interference, his murderous ways, and instead he acts like a fanboy who wants to believe in the facade and not the reality.

Please, tell the class how that helps the Republican brand.

Supreme Court

tax cuts

out of the Paris Accords

killing DACA

increased military spending

militarization of the border

middle fingers all day to Europe (full of gays and libs)

middle fingers all day to domestic libs

control of all levers of power

If this is hurting the Republicans, I sure as hell hope someone starts hurting the Dems soon.

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1 hour ago, David Dennison said:

It appears that the intelligence community has had enough of his bullshit.

Agree....but when will the spineless republicans wake the hell up and act?  I'm afraid all the money that trump has will buy and negatively campaign against dems and keep the house/senate...and keep this nightmare from ending.  

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14 hours ago, Anastasis said:

And triple, I would still offer some form of a slightly modified version, although some odds are probably appropriate at this point.  I indicated early on that Manafort was very likely to have some dirt come to light based on his past.  And Stone was reckless and suspect.  I dismissed Carter Page as a total imbecile, but indicated that there were a number of easy marks, useful idiots in the Trump campaign circus who had no fucking idea what they were doing or the potential ramifications. As I said upthread, I don't think that Trump himself is capable of coordinating with a paper bag, but do think that there are a number of angles that certain individuals within the Trump campaign could have been compromised by Russia, whether knowingly and willingly or not. I do think that, at this point, Trump's damaging and pervasive narcissistic personality disorder clearly renders him unfit, easily manipulated, and a major liability. Either his cabinet and those around him need to insist on the structure, controls, and behavioral modifications necessary to contain that pathology, or 25th amendment should be in play. 

If you got bamboozled enough to miss the severity of his personality disorder on full display in 2016 to defend him the way you previously have, then you're missing it yet again on his capacity to coordinate in a get rich scheme as Putin's rubber stamp.  you got beat twice by the Don the Con.

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12 minutes ago, Cairn Horn88 said:

Agree....but when will the spineless republicans wake the hell up and act?  I'm afraid all the money that trump has will buy and negatively campaign against dems and keep the house/senate...and keep this nightmare from ending.  

Cross-posting this:

Sens. Coons and Flake have introduced a resolution that would:

1. Commend Mueller probe

2. Agree with I.C. assessment on Russian interference

3. Reaffirm that Russia should be held accountable

4. Call for hearings on Helsinki summit

5. Call for implementation of Russia sanctions

 

Lines are being drawn, and it won't take very many resigning GOP patriots in the Senate to switch parties in the name of a national security emergency to kick McConnell's majority to the curb if they continue to run cover.  Think that sounds outlandish ?  Wait for it.  I doubt it comes to that, but per the above resolution, it's clear the tide is turning today.

 

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1 hour ago, triplehorn said:

It's also significant that the House GOP push to impeach Rosenstein abruptly fizzled.  Jim Jordan indicated last Fri the move could happen as early as Monday.  Gowdy on Sunday said ain't happening.  Then in the last day Trump puppy Matt Gaetz reported they lacked the GOP votes to move to impeach.  I think lines are being drawn within the ranks.  One of the next shoes to drop will HAVE to be the Russia/NRA/RNC-GOP laundered campaign money.  Once Mueller breaches Congress with indictments along that plane, the whole slab breaks loose.

That’s my line of thinking as well... and it is my sincere hope that those responsible in Congresss also pay for their crimes. 

Justice must be served in the most painful manner possible so as to leave a lasting impression.

If Trump, the NRA and the GOP don’t pay for their crimes we may never recover...

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40 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

"...he's a bumbling nitwit billowing a cacophony of half-thoughts, emotional infantilism and political prolapse one might assume a call to nature's clarion blew a brain shit."

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4 hours ago, triplehorn said:

If you got bamboozled enough to miss the severity of his personality disorder on full display in 2016 to defend him the way you previously have, then you're missing it yet again on his capacity to coordinate in a get rich scheme as Putin's rubber stamp.  you got beat twice by the Don the Con.

Anyone that fell for Trump's shit once should be fucking embarrassed enough.  Twice... hell that should be grounds for sterilization.

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24 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

His non denial, denial about the New York Times story i guess. 

22.9 thousand people decided to be equally retarded this morning. 

 

Edit: make that 23.2k

Edit again: nevermind 

 

 

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22 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I hate to be Debbie Downer but Mueller’s findings are not going to remove Trump.

Seriously, what facts could Mueller possibly provide that would force the Republicans’ hand?

Mueller could name Trump as a witting co-conspirator and the Republicans still won’t act because Trump’s base doesn’t give a shit if Trump committed treason to beat Hillary, they applaud it.

All the high crimes and misdemeanors necessary to remove Trump are on full display right in front of everyone.  Americans don’t need Mueller to be the minister of truth to tell us Trump obstructed justice and conspired with Russia to undermine democracy.  He ran a campaign on undermining democracy.  “The election is rigged! Russia if your listening...Wikileaks! I love Wikileaks!”  Not enough people gave a shit at the time, what makes you think they will now?

Just to drive this home... Here’s the problem.

 

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Not that this is a surprise to anyone, but to see these numbers is just sad:

https://www.axios.com/republicans-say-trump-did-fine-in-helsinki-5776322f-a483-4e21-b50c-028799b08367.html

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We told you yesterday why elected Republicans go so silent so quickly when they disagree so strongly with President Trump: They fear it's political suicide to speak up. Now we have an exclusive, new Axios/SurveyMonkey poll that shows why those fears are real.   Be smart: This poll foreshadows the coming national drama. Every piece of data, and virtually every public action of elected Republican officials, shows Trump will have overwhelming and probably unbreakable party support, regardless of what Robert Mueller finds with his Russia probe. 

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8 hours ago, burntorangebongos said:

Can't believe this guy is still carrying his water.

 

The reason these guys still carry Trump’s water is they want to get something out of Trump for themselves while they can (political favors, legislation, endorsements).  

If they go the way of Flake and Corker, they cut themselves off from the Trump well and undermine their own political power. 

You either love Trump or he hates you.

It’s really that simple.

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6 minutes ago, LongestHorn said:

POTUS is considering Putin's demand we send a dozen US diplomats to Russia for interrogation, Huckabee confirmed.

I hope Ambassador McFaul has the opportunity to get a US judge to weigh in on this before he is ordered to Moscow.  By Putin.

Perfect opportunity for Germany or Canada to offer him asylum and shit on Trump 

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8 minutes ago, LongestHorn said:

POTUS is considering Putin's demand we send a dozen US diplomats to Russia for interrogation, Huckabee confirmed.

I hope Ambassador McFaul has the opportunity to get a US judge to weigh in on this before he is ordered to Moscow.  By Putin.

How would this be ok? Holy shit I’m losing hope everyday we can come back from this. I’m about to join Brisket. Though I’m not a big scotch drinker, I’ll bring the champagne and rosé bubbles

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22 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Not that this is a surprise to anyone, but to see these numbers is just sad:

https://www.axios.com/republicans-say-trump-did-fine-in-helsinki-5776322f-a483-4e21-b50c-028799b08367.html

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I suspect that's a stronger anti-Trump consensus than we would have seen in November 2016.  All things being equal (and of course they aren't) it wouldn't take much of a shift to overcome the electoral college margin Trump enjoys so much.

Is it fair to assume that Republican turnout in the election was proportionally stronger than it was the Democrats?  I don't actually recall.  It feels like keeping Hillary out of the White House would have been a bigger motivator than keeping Trump out.

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13 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The reason these guys still carry Trump’s water is they want to get something out of Trump for themselves while they can (political favors, legislation, endorsements).  

For many I suspect "political favor" = "pardon".

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