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DD, I agree with mostly everything you post, but nothing good is happening with the Democrats right now.  Shit, Hillary basically stopped campaigning and thought the "let Trump fuck this up, there is no WAY the American people will vote for him" strategy would succeed.  We saw how well that worked out. 
There is no unity in the Democratic party, their messages are muddled, their favorites to run for President right now are all pretty uninspiring.  Watching Trump destroy everything is not a winning strategy.  Look at what "anyone but Hillary" got us.  "Anyone but Trump" is not the answer moving forward. A leader needs to emerge.
 
 


I think he’s driving a lot of people into politics to defeat him and his kind. It may take a while for them to work up ballot, but it has to start sometime.
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23 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

The division is quite simple.  He destroys, he does not create.  He is a parasite, feeding off of failure and misery.  And right now, he's one bloated tick.

This was Trump in 2014:

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You know what solves it? When the economy crashes, when the country goes to total hell, and everything is a disaster, then you'll have riots to go back to where we used to be, when we were great.

This is how fascists take total control, and Trump knows it. Hell, he slept with a book of Hitler's speeches by the side of the bed. They make shit worse, then blame it on an "other." Everything Trump has done since taking office is entirely consistent with what someone would do if they were intentionally following the fascist roadmap, though I still lean toward it simply being the natural result of his pathology. It doesn't really make a difference though if both roads run in parallel to the same place. 

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Trump and the trumpkins want to destroy the country so they can take it over and ensure white rule for centuries. Won’t work in a democracy so you got to blow up and change the system to make it work. It really is as simple as that and if you view it from that lens, everything he does every day starts to make sense. That is their final solution. 

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

I’m glad you guys see this as a gain for democrats but overall what Trump is doing is extremely harmful to society.  It’s challenging to see this because the democrats benefit from Trump’s incompetence but we’re dealing with a guy that has never been held accountable for anything.

Even if it’s a blue wave in November, Trump is still getting away with fortifying his base right now.  His hardcore base is cheering his cruelty.  Those people are not going away even if Trump is removed.  The consequences of what Trump is currently doing will ring on for years after he’s gone.

 

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

I’m glad you guys see this as a gain for democrats but overall what Trump is doing is extremely harmful to society.  It’s challenging to see this because the democrats benefit from Trump’s incompetence but we’re dealing with a guy that has never been held accountable for anything.

Even if it’s a blue wave in November, Trump is still getting away with fortifying his base right now.  His hardcore base is cheering his cruelty.  Those people are not going away even if Trump is removed.  The consequences of what Trump is currently doing will ring on for years after he’s gone.

 

The good news is that in 20 years the vast majority of his base will be dead. The bad news is that will take 20 years and they are fully prepared to fuck this country up as much as possible before they die. 

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The good news is that in 20 years the vast majority of his base will be dead. The bad news is that will take 20 years and they are fully prepared to fuck this country up as much as possible before they die. 

Its because they are baby boomers.  I wouldn't expect them to get less selfish and assholish now. Why change their stripes now when they can still figure out a way to take the country with them when they go?

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

I’m glad you guys see this as a gain for democrats but overall what Trump is doing is extremely harmful to society.  It’s challenging to see this because the democrats benefit from Trump’s incompetence but we’re dealing with a guy that has never been held accountable for anything.

Even if it’s a blue wave in November, Trump is still getting away with fortifying his base right now.  His hardcore base is cheering his cruelty.  Those people are not going away even if Trump is removed.  The consequences of what Trump is currently doing will ring on for years after he’s gone.

 

Exactly this.  I keep coming back to that in 1990, for example, the Russians did not know they were voting in their last election.  Or in 1932 Germans who voted for Hitler were voting in their last free election for a long time.  We are acting like things are normal, and there will be a normal and free election.  And even if there is, that the president and the 35% of the country that supports  him will accept the results.  

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When social security eventually fails, multiple generations will fall from middle class life styles into poverty. Democratic policies will suddenly become much more palatable to a lot of boomers and x’ers on the fence.

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’m glad you guys see this as a gain for democrats but overall what Trump is doing is extremely harmful to society.  It’s challenging to see this because the democrats benefit from Trump’s incompetence but we’re dealing with a guy that has never been held accountable for anything.

Even if it’s a blue wave in November, Trump is still getting away with fortifying his base right now.  His hardcore base is cheering his cruelty.  Those people are not going away even if Trump is removed.  The consequences of what Trump is currently doing will ring on for years after he’s gone.

He can fortify his base all he wants, but he has a definite ceiling on said base, and that base was outnumbered in the general election (and they were unable to keep Obama out of office in two other elections).  He's also chipping away at the more moderate types that held their nose and/or were voting against Hillary.

I don't necessarily see it as a gain.  The Dems are going to have the opportunity to run a train on us.  They are going to reverse a lot of what he did (particularly his reversal of previous policies by Obama, etc.), and they are probably going to try and make a lot of those reversals as permanent as possible through legislation.  That's good and bad - we could end up with a lot of....legislation that was created in response to Trump (and in response to potential future Trumps).  We will see overzealous gun control (rather than the GOP giving us reasonable legislation) among other things.

On the other hand, Trump will probably try and get along with them, since they will hold the power to impeach. Will be amusing, since he is the type to cower when faced with authority.

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47 minutes ago, Hank Kingsley said:

DD, I agree with mostly everything you post, but nothing good is happening with the Democrats right now.  Shit, Hillary basically stopped campaigning and thought the "let Trump fuck this up, there is no WAY the American people will vote for him" strategy would succeed.  We saw how well that worked out. 

There is no unity in the Democratic party, their messages are muddled, their favorites to run for President right now are all pretty uninspiring.  Watching Trump destroy everything is not a winning strategy.  Look at what "anyone but Hillary" got us.  "Anyone but Trump" is not the answer moving forward. A leader needs to emerge.

Trump is unifying the Dems, he is probably helping to increase their turnout substantially in the mid-terms, he is going to drive moderates/undecideds to the Dems, and he has provided multiple platforms/issues for them to coalesce around.  He's also doing great things for Dem fundraising.

Honestly it maybe better for the Dems if they are decentralized for now and letting the local/state candidates handle things.  

Watching 2018 play out will/should show them where they need to be for 2020.  

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27 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Trump is unifying the Dems, he is probably helping to increase their turnout substantially in the mid-terms, he is going to drive moderates/undecideds to the Dems, and he has provided multiple platforms/issues for them to coalesce around.  He's also doing great things for Dem fundraising.

Honestly it maybe better for the Dems if they are decentralized for now and letting the local/state candidates handle things.  

Watching 2018 play out will/should show them where they need to be for 2020.  

To that point--exactly how much of a unified message did the Republicans present in the wave elections of 2010 and 2014?  I would argue that there was nothing unified about those electoral messages (especially 2010, which was the year of the Tea Party).

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9 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

To that point--exactly how much of a unified message did the Republicans present in the wave elections of 2010 and 2014?  I would argue that there was nothing unified about those electoral messages (especially 2010, which was the year of the Tea Party).

I dunno, “HE’S SPENDING MONEY ON MINORITIES!!” seemed to unify a whole lot of racist shitheels.

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1 hour ago, Hank Kingsley said:

There is no unity in the Democratic party, their messages are muddled, their favorites to run for President right now are all pretty uninspiring.  Watching Trump destroy everything is not a winning strategy.  Look at what "anyone but Hillary" got us.  "Anyone but Trump" is not the answer moving forward. A leader needs to emerge.

I am becoming more and more convinced the democrats are playing a rope-a-dope strategy.  They know what they’re up against. They know they look weak right now, they are weak right now.  

They know the country is bleeding and they are going to let the bleeding continue until the appropriate time when they unleash the deafening hurricane of resistance to Trump with maximum impact.

Right now more and more people are looking for the alternative but no one is there.  

In June of 2014, who was seriously forecasting Donald Trump to win the 2016 election? 

Because that’s where we are now in relation to the 2020 election.

Just have to be patient.

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1 minute ago, Pancho Negro said:

 

Of course he did. He made awful promises throughout the campaign. He's delivering on this one because it's easy and he doesn't have much else to hang his hat on. His only legislative accomplishment isn't very popular.

He told America exactly what he wanted to do as president.

The Republican Party is going to pay the price in November. Then the real war between Donald Trump and Congress begins.

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1 hour ago, JimmyJames said:

The good news is that in 20 years the vast majority of his base will be dead. The bad news is that will take 20 years and they are fully prepared to fuck this country up as much as possible before they die. 

There will always be scared old people susceptible to the GOP propaganda.  Spend some time in small Texas towns and you will see a shitload of young people who are already brainwashed Trumpkins.  They are not going away. 

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26 minutes ago, Ten Bears said:

There will always be scared old people susceptible to the GOP propaganda.  Spend some time in small Texas towns and you will see a shitload of young people who are already brainwashed Trumpkins.  They are not going away. 

Well, sure.  But as a percentage of the population within their age demographic, rural whites are a smaller and smaller group.

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27 minutes ago, Ten Bears said:

There will always be scared old people susceptible to the GOP propaganda.  Spend some time in small Texas towns and you will see a shitload of young people who are already brainwashed Trumpkins.  They are not going away. 

Those same young people grew up where homosexuality is in the mainstream pop culture, many of their sports heroes and musical influences are black, and they watch reality shows starring fucking Kabobs whose dad is transgender, and those same Kabobs are fucking black rappers and NBA players. 

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1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I am becoming more and more convinced the democrats are playing a rope-a-dope strategy.  They know what they’re up against. They know they look weak right now, they are weak right now.  

No rope, just dope. 

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It won't be surprising if we see the same attempted separation that we see DOTUS attempt as president. Getting Sessions/Rosenstein to write damning letters about Comey. Getting Sessions to declare the new policy of child internment camps. Having Kelly fire Tillerson while he's on the shitter. Part of it's b/c he's a huge pussy, and part is that he's a slimy con man playing president.

It will be interesting to see if Mueller can tie him to the planning or actions themselves.

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Own fundraising mechanism likely refers to the CIA running the drug trade. 

We are so fucked. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Inouye

 

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President Clinton presenting the Medal of Honor to Senator Inouye on June 21, 2000

Second Lieutenant Daniel K. Inouye distinguished himself by extraordinary heroism in action on 21 April 1945, in the vicinity of San Terenzo, Italy. While attacking a defended ridge guarding an important road junction, Second Lieutenant Inouye skillfully directed his platoon through a hail of automatic weapon and small arms fire, in a swift enveloping movement that resulted in the capture of an artillery and mortar post and brought his men to within 40 yards of the hostile force. Emplaced in bunkers and rock formations, the enemy halted the advance with crossfire from three machine guns. With complete disregard for his personal safety, Second Lieutenant Inouye crawled up the treacherous slope to within five yards of the nearest machine gun and hurled two grenades, destroying the emplacement. Before the enemy could retaliate, he stood up and neutralized a second machine gun nest. Although wounded by a sniper’s bullet, he continued to engage other hostile positions at close range until an exploding grenade shattered his right arm. Despite the intense pain, he refused evacuation and continued to direct his platoon until enemy resistance was broken and his men were again deployed in defensive positions. In the attack, 25 enemy soldiers were killed and eight others captured. By his gallant, aggressive tactics and by his indomitable leadership, Second Lieutenant Inouye enabled his platoon to advance through formidable resistance, and was instrumental in the capture of the ridge. Second Lieutenant Inouye’s extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty are in keeping with the highest traditions of military service and reflect great credit on him, his unit, and the United States Army.

 

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3 minutes ago, retread said:

It won't be surprising if we see the same attempted separation that we see DOTUS attempt as president. Getting Sessions/Rosenstein to write damning letters about Comey. Getting Sessions to declare the new policy of child internment camps.

It will be interesting to see if Mueller can tie him to the planning or actions themselves.

Mueller is going to present evidence that convinces Jeff Sessions to recommend impeachment. 

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Trump administration pulls US out of UN human rights council

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States announced Tuesday it was leaving the United Nations' Human Rights Council, with Ambassador Nikki Haley calling it "an organization that is not worthy of its name." It was the latest withdrawal by the Trump administration from an international institution.

Haley, Trump's envoy to the U.N., said the U.S. had given the human rights body "opportunity after opportunity" to make changes. She lambasted the council for "its chronic bias against Israel" and lamented the fact that its membership includes accused human rights abusers such as China, Cuba, Venezuela and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

"We take this step because our commitment does not allow us to remain a part of a hypocritical and self-serving organization that makes a mockery of human rights," Haley said.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, appearing alongside Haley at the State Department, said there was no doubt that the council once had a "noble vision."

But today we need to be honest," Pompeo said. "The Human Rights Council is a poor defender of human rights."

The announcement came just a day after the U.N. human rights chief, Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein, denounced the Trump administration for separating migrant children from their parents. But Haley cited longstanding U.S. complaints that the 47-member council is biased against Israel. She had been threatening the pull-out since last year unless the council made changes advocated by the U.S.

"Regrettably, it is now clear that our call for reform was not heeded," Haley said.

Still, she suggested the decision need not be permanent, adding that if the council did adopt reforms, "we would be happy to rejoin it." She said the withdrawal notwithstanding, the U.S. would continue to defend human rights at the United Nations.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office called the U.S. decision "courageous," calling it "an unequivocal statement that enough is enough."

The move extends a broader Trump administration pattern of stepping back from international agreements and forums under the president's "America First" policy. Although numerous officials have said repeatedly that "America First does not mean America Alone," the administration has retreated from multiple multilateral accords and consensuses since it took office.

Since January 2017, it has announced its withdrawal from the Paris climate accord, left the U.N. educational and cultural organization and pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal. Other contentious moves have included slapping tariffs on steel and aluminum against key trading partners, recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital and moving the U.S. Embassy there from Tel Aviv.

Opposition to the decision from human rights advocates was swift. A group of 12 organizations including Save the Children, Freedom House and the United Nations Association-USA said there were "legitimate concerns" about the council's shortcomings but that none of them warranted a U.S. exit.

"This decision is counterproductive to American national security and foreign policy interests and will make it more difficult to advance human rights priorities and aid victims of abuse around the world," the organizations said in a joint statement.

Added Kenneth Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch: "All Trump seems to care about is defending Israel."

On Twitter, al-Hussein, the U.N. human rights chief, said it was "Disappointing, if not really surprising, news. Given the state of #HumanRights in today's world, the US should be stepping up, not stepping back."

And the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank close to the Trump administration, defended the move, calling the council "notably incurious about the human rights situations in some of the world's most oppressive countries." Brett Schaefer, a senior fellow, pointed out that Trump could have withdrawn immediately after taking office but instead gave the council 18 months to make changes.

Haley has been the driving force behind withdrawing from the human rights body, unprecedented in the 12-year history of the council. No country has ever dropped out voluntarily. Libya was kicked out seven years ago.

The move could reinforce the perception that the Trump administration is seeking to advance Israel's agenda on the world stage, just as it prepares to unveil its long-awaited Israeli-Palestinian peace plan despite Palestinian outrage over the embassy relocation. Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, is visiting the Middle East this week as the White House works to lay the groundwork for unveiling the plan.

Israel is the only country in the world whose rights record comes up for discussion at every council session, under "Item 7" on the agenda. Item 7 on "Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories" has been part of the council's regular business almost as long as it has existed.

The United States' current term on the council ends next year. Although the U.S. could have remained a non-voting observer on the council, a U.S. official said it was a "complete withdrawal" and that the United States was resigning its seat "effective immediately." The official wasn't authorized to comment publicly and insisted on anonymity.

That means the council will be left without one of its traditional defenders of human rights. In recent months, the United States has participated in attempts to pinpoint rights violations in places like South Sudan, Congo and Cambodia.

The U.S. pullout was bound to have ripple effects for at least two countries at the council: China and Israel. The U.S., as at other U.N. organizations, is Israel's biggest defender. At the rights council, the United States has recently been the most unabashed critic of rights abuses in China — whose growing economic and diplomatic clout has chastened some other would-be critics, rights advocates say.

There are 47 countries in the Human Rights Council, elected by the U.N.'s General Assembly with a specific number of seats allocated for each region of the globe. Members serve for three-year terms and can serve only two terms in a row.

The United States has opted to stay out of the Human Rights Council before: The George W. Bush administration opted against seeking membership when the council was created in 2006. The U.S. joined the body only in 2009 under President Barack Obama.

 

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The United States announced Tuesday it was leaving the United Nations' Human Rights Council, with Ambassador Nikki Haley calling it "an organization that is not worthy of its name." It was the latest withdrawal by the Trump administration from an international institution.

Haley, Trump's envoy to the U.N., said the U.S. had given the human rights body "opportunity after opportunity" to make changes. She lambasted the council for "its chronic bias against Israel" and lamented the fact that its membership includes accused human rights abusers such as China, Cuba, Venezuela and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

"We take this step because our commitment does not allow us to remain a part of a hypocritical and self-serving organization that makes a mockery of human rights," Haley said.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, appearing alongside Haley at the State Department, said there was no doubt that the council once had a "noble vision."

But today we need to be honest," Pompeo said. "The Human Rights Council is a poor defender of human rights."

The announcement came just a day after the U.N. human rights chief, Zeid Ra'ad al-Hussein, denounced the Trump administration for separating migrant children from their parents. But Haley cited longstanding U.S. complaints that the 47-member council is biased against Israel. She had been threatening the pull-out since last year unless the council made changes advocated by the U.S.

"Regrettably, it is now clear that our call for reform was not heeded," Haley said.

Still, she suggested the decision need not be permanent, adding that if the council did adopt reforms, "we would be happy to rejoin it." She said the withdrawal notwithstanding, the U.S. would continue to defend human rights at the United Nations.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office called the U.S. decision "courageous," calling it "an unequivocal statement that enough is enough."

The move extends a broader Trump administration pattern of stepping back from international agreements and forums under the president's "America First" policy. Although numerous officials have said repeatedly that "America First does not mean America Alone," the administration has retreated from multiple multilateral accords and consensuses since it took office.

Since January 2017, it has announced its withdrawal from the Paris climate accord, left the U.N. educational and cultural organization and pulled out of the Iran nuclear deal. Other contentious moves have included slapping tariffs on steel and aluminum against key trading partners, recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital and moving the U.S. Embassy there from Tel Aviv.

Opposition to the decision from human rights advocates was swift. A group of 12 organizations including Save the Children, Freedom House and the United Nations Association-USA said there were "legitimate concerns" about the council's shortcomings but that none of them warranted a U.S. exit.

"This decision is counterproductive to American national security and foreign policy interests and will make it more difficult to advance human rights priorities and aid victims of abuse around the world," the organizations said in a joint statement.

Added Kenneth Roth, the executive director of Human Rights Watch: "All Trump seems to care about is defending Israel."

On Twitter, al-Hussein, the U.N. human rights chief, said it was "Disappointing, if not really surprising, news. Given the state of #HumanRights in today's world, the US should be stepping up, not stepping back."

And the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank close to the Trump administration, defended the move, calling the council "notably incurious about the human rights situations in some of the world's most oppressive countries." Brett Schaefer, a senior fellow, pointed out that Trump could have withdrawn immediately after taking office but instead gave the council 18 months to make changes.

Haley has been the driving force behind withdrawing from the human rights body, unprecedented in the 12-year history of the council. No country has ever dropped out voluntarily. Libya was kicked out seven years ago.

The move could reinforce the perception that the Trump administration is seeking to advance Israel's agenda on the world stage, just as it prepares to unveil its long-awaited Israeli-Palestinian peace plan despite Palestinian outrage over the embassy relocation. Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser, Jared Kushner, is visiting the Middle East this week as the White House works to lay the groundwork for unveiling the plan.

Israel is the only country in the world whose rights record comes up for discussion at every council session, under "Item 7" on the agenda. Item 7 on "Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories" has been part of the council's regular business almost as long as it has existed.

The United States' current term on the council ends next year. Although the U.S. could have remained a non-voting observer on the council, a U.S. official said it was a "complete withdrawal" and that the United States was resigning its seat "effective immediately." The official wasn't authorized to comment publicly and insisted on anonymity.

That means the council will be left without one of its traditional defenders of human rights. In recent months, the United States has participated in attempts to pinpoint rights violations in places like South Sudan, Congo and Cambodia.

The U.S. pullout was bound to have ripple effects for at least two countries at the council: China and Israel. The U.S., as at other U.N. organizations, is Israel's biggest defender. At the rights council, the United States has recently been the most unabashed critic of rights abuses in China — whose growing economic and diplomatic clout has chastened some other would-be critics, rights advocates say.

There are 47 countries in the Human Rights Council, elected by the U.N.'s General Assembly with a specific number of seats allocated for each region of the globe. Members serve for three-year terms and can serve only two terms in a row.

The United States has opted to stay out of the Human Rights Council before: The George W. Bush administration opted against seeking membership when the council was created in 2006. The U.S. joined the body only in 2009 under President Barack Obama.

 

 

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43 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Mueller is going to present evidence that convinces Jeff Sessions to recommend impeachment. 

Trump is going to say Sessions ordered this detention policy on his own and use it to fire him so he can claim it isn’t related to the Mueller probe. Then he’s going to replace him with Scott Pruitt, who’s going to fire errbody 

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4 minutes ago, Lurch said:

2020 is going to be a year-long, world-wide apology tour.

We'll have to go back to being a pledge for the year. Cleaning up red cups and vomit after the G7 parties. Making coffee for the UN Security Council.

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17 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Trump is going to say Sessions ordered this detention policy on his own and use it to fire him so he can claim it isn’t related to the Mueller probe. Then he’s going to replace him with Scott Pruitt, who’s going to fire errbody 

as far as conspiracy theories go, i consider this one very interesting

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2 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Just another naive frog who thought he could carry the scorpion.

Probably has something to do with this:

 

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Defense Secretary Jim Mattis blasted Russia on Friday for its disruptive actions on the world stage — even as the commander in chief seeks closer ties with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

“Putin seeks to shatter NATO,” Mattis warned in a commencement address at the U.S. Naval War College in Newport, Rhode Island. “He aims to diminish the appeal of the Western democratic model and attempts to undermine America’s moral authority. His actions are designed not to challenge our arms at this point but to undercut and compromise our belief in our ideals.”

 

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7 hours ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

All that matters to Trumpkins: cheap, pandering imagery. 72f57b6ee8cc6a499de19be6903bf0e8.jpg

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag."

To be honest, I'm not so sure Trump cares whether or not the Republicans lose Congress this fall. If you believe that Trump is in the bag for Putin, it would make sense that he'd want a divided government as that could lead to an even more divided country. We all know he would go even further off the deep end tweeting into the cyber and riling up his base of fascistic white nationalists, especially considering Congress would begin preparing for his removal from office. He'd rather take this country down with him or live out his days in a lakeside dacha next door to his new best friend.

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