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1 hour ago, Willfully Horn said:

Republican unity is one of their strengths, and it has led them to embrace dismantling our Constitutional Republic. Embracing disparate viewpoints must remain a Democratic strength. This is why Michigan Muslims have been mocked. Their focus on Palestine and Israel led them to make a choice they apparently now regret. Seeing the big picture would have brought them closer to their goal. I recognize their votes did not sway the election.

While I absolutely condemn Israel’s genocidal actions, and believe the party of Democrats should state it condemns genocide, and it will, imo, should the increasingly remote possibility of Democrats rule come to pass, the conversation should focus on how to make that possibility happen. Thinking big picture thoughts does not lead to this:

If/when Shapiro is campaigning for national office, then absolutely make him defend whatever position he holds on Palestine. Until then, keep in mind that opposition to the Republican regime is the most important issue. That is how the USA can one day assist Palestinians.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/alleged-arsonist-targeted-pennsylvania-gov-josh-shapiro-palestine/story?id=120860365

It's bullshit to conflate with the nutcase arsonist with pro-Palestinian groups withholding their votes for Harris.  There is a very real issue in Gaza that needs to be addressed.  Balmer obviously has some major health issues and he may focused on the debate around Gaza for whatever reason.  That doesn't change the necessity to discuss Gaza.  

 

 

 

Posted
8 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

why can't the Democrats not only call that out more often, but also better embrace "fiscal responsbility", rather than hiding from it?

I'm being flippant, but it's because no one truly gives a shit.  Those that did represented a small, financial minded portion of yesterday's GOP and the rank and file repeated it because they were told to.  

Dropping the sarcasm, you ask a sincere question, and I think it's at least partially because the rhetorical pivot needed to call out the hypocrites doesn't work.  Probably the most obvious example is the Christian support for Trump, whose sins are too numerable to list.  Rather than reconsider their support, they just double-down that the illogical must be because of God's plan.  There was a Vox piece years ago in which an academic reported on a study that showed people don't really want the truth, in fact they resent it when it doesn't confirm pre-existing beliefs.  

I think we need to keep it simple.  The #1 issue for Gen Z is economics, and I've read that housing affordability is the principal driver (although that could tie into jobs or inflation in general).  It's also an issue that's got some gender specificity (it ranks particularly high amongst the male voters that the Dems have been shedding).  It's a mid-term election--you don't have to fix it, you just need to be clear that the other team failed.  

I also think the party need to re-orient around the family as the center of public life.  If you can't squeeze "this helps your family" into every single benefit message then it needs to be de-platformed.  I think they've been afraid of this because the evangelicals have made "family values" antithetical to the Dems sense of inclusiveness, but they need to take it back and it's a good segue for a broader economic policy that's consistent with long-held Dem efforts.  

It's also helps defend some of those marginalized without making them poster children or exploiting their misery.  If I'm forced to talk about trans rights I'm going to do it in the framework of parents like @troph that love their children and children that love their parents.   

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13 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

I'm being flippant, but it's because no one truly gives a shit.  Those that did represented a small, financial minded portion of yesterday's GOP and the rank and file repeated it because they were told to.  

Dropping the sarcasm, you ask a sincere question, and I think it's at least partially because the rhetorical pivot needed to call out the hypocrites doesn't work.  Probably the most obvious example is the Christian support for Trump, whose sins are too numerable to list.  Rather than reconsider their support, they just double-down that the illogical must be because of God's plan.  There was a Vox piece years ago in which an academic reported on a study that showed people don't really want the truth, in fact they resent it when it doesn't confirm pre-existing beliefs.  

I think we need to keep it simple.  The #1 issue for Gen Z is economics, and I've read that housing affordability is the principal driver (although that could tie into jobs or inflation in general).  It's also an issue that's got some gender specificity (it ranks particularly high amongst the male voters that the Dems have been shedding).  It's a mid-term election--you don't have to fix it, you just need to be clear that the other team failed.  

I also think the party need to re-orient around the family as the center of public life.  If you can't squeeze "this helps your family" into every single benefit message then it needs to be de-platformed.  I think they've been afraid of this because the evangelicals have made "family values" antithetical to the Dems sense of inclusiveness, but they need to take it back and it's a good segue for a broader economic policy that's consistent with long-held Dem efforts.  

It's also helps defend some of those marginalized without making them poster children or exploiting their misery.  If I'm forced to talk about trans rights I'm going to do it in the framework of parents like @troph that love their children and children that love their parents.   

Gen z are high on reality TV and delusions of grandeur. Having your own apartment in downtown anywhere especially the bigger cities bow that have gotten more populous and haven't built enough additional housing is and always has been only for people who's parents help out or they landed sweet jobs out of school. 

The practicality of having roommates with gen z doesn't matter because their phone is their roommate and the restaurants are their kitchen. 

Posted
3 minutes ago, Tuco said:

It's bullshit to conflate with the nutcase arsonist with pro-Palestinian groups withholding their votes for Harris.  There is a very real issue in Gaza that needs to be addressed.  Balmer obviously has some major health issues and he may focused on the debate around Gaza for whatever reason.  That doesn't change the necessity to discuss Gaza.  

 

 

 

I tried to make the case for embracing diversity, and to illustrate the lunacy of going all in unilaterally. I accept that you disagree with including an insane act against a Democrat in my argument, but our fight is against fascist authoritarianism. Win that battle at home, and we can take that fight abroad.

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35 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

I tried to make the case for embracing diversity, and to illustrate the lunacy of going all in unilaterally. I accept that you disagree with including an insane act against a Democrat in my argument, but our fight is against fascist authoritarianism. Win that battle at home, and we can take that fight abroad.

We didn't take that fight abroad prior to losing to the fascists.  It is entirely possible that is part of the reason why we lost.  I'm not just talking about Michigan Muslims, but the number of people who don't see differences between the Rs and Ds, and will cite the Biden/Harris support of Israel as part of their reasoning.  Your approach seems to be that we can win them back, not with empty promises, but by completely avoiding the subject.  Maybe you're right.  But I know I am going to have a hard time pulling a lever for anyone who actively supports or purposely ignores a genocide partially funded with my tax dollars. I did in 2024, but things have gotten worse.  Hopefully growing antiwar sentiment in Israel will resolve the issue before 2026.  

But that wasn't my point.  My point was citing the arsonist was irrelevant to that discussion.  The dude was losing his house, was up on domestic abuse charges, had previously had been charged with fraud, and his Facebook history included unhinged rants against Biden. In 2022, he posted a picture of himself holding a molotov cocktail, with the line "Be the light you want to see in the World."  His mom tried to have him committed 3 days prior to the attack.  He referenced Gaza after the attack, but he wasn't part of a ProPalestinian movement; he was a nutcase doing nutcase shit.  

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10 minutes ago, Tuco said:

We didn't take that fight abroad prior to losing to the fascists.  It is entirely possible that is part of the reason why we lost.  I'm not just talking about Michigan Muslims, but the number of people who don't see differences between the Rs and Ds, and will cite the Biden/Harris support of Israel as part of their reasoning.  Your approach seems to be that we can win them back, not with empty promises, but by completely avoiding the subject.  Maybe you're right.  But I know I am going to have a hard time pulling a lever for anyone who actively supports or purposely ignores a genocide partially funded with my tax dollars. I did in 2024, but things have gotten worse.  Hopefully growing antiwar sentiment in Israel will resolve the issue before 2026.  

But that wasn't my point.  My point was citing the arsonist was irrelevant to that discussion.  The dude was losing his house, was up on domestic abuse charges, had previously had been charged with fraud, and his Facebook history included unhinged rants against Biden. In 2022, he posted a picture of himself holding a molotov cocktail, with the line "Be the light you want to see in the World."  His mom tried to have him committed 3 days prior to the attack.  He referenced Gaza after the attack, but he wasn't part of a ProPalestinian movement; he was a nutcase doing nutcase shit.  

The more you know. I withdraw my comparison.



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