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3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I hope this is correct and I think it's probably more likely than not, HOWEVER, that depends entirely on Dems and Independents (whatever) staying involved and getting out to fucking vote.  It's annoying that we have to stay vigilant for the foreseeable decades. 

Had Democrats been vigilant for the last five decades none of this shit would have ever happened.

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Had Democrats been vigilant for the last five decades none of this shit would have ever happened.

Exactly my point.  And I admit to not paying too much attention in my 20s (did most of us?).  I didn't vote in 2000 (my first eligible year), but have every presidential election since and have voted in every mid-term since I think 2012.  

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Legal eagles -- is there any way that SCOTUS (assuming they ignore the glaring standing problem) doesn't uphold Kaczmaryk based on the plain language of the Comstock Act?  And why the f didn't anyone move to repeal that bullshit? Talk me down from the ledge plz? 

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3 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

Well well well 

As if they are going to listen to you Nikki.

It's actually not that bad of a play on her part if you think in terms of her positioning herself for a run in 2028 or 2032.  If you look at the top four Republicans in most polling, it's Trump, DeSantis, Pence, and Haley, with Pence and Haley polling in mid-single digits.

We know she's not going to win the nomination next year, we know she will drop long before it gets to the final two, and she knows that the media would pick up on her abortion comments - I fully believe those abortion comments were directed at moderates/Republican kingmakers. 

Trump will not be an issue in 2028 (MAGA might be, but he won't).

DeSantis won't be an issue in 2028.  He is going really hard on abortion, was just embarrassed on a national scale by Disney/ABC, his PR people embarrass him, and he is Trump's top Republican enemy.  Arguably and quite publicly, Trump hates DeSantis more than Biden or any other Democrat, because Trump feels DeSantis betrayed him. By 2028  DeSantis will have been out of office a few years and can no longer be getting legislative wins. DeSantis is trying so hard to be the asshole right-winger he thinks he needs to be to win MAGA over but Trump has tainted the pool for him. A lot of moderate Republicans are like "yeah, we may need MAGA to win, but MAGA is also the reason why we aren't winning" and they maybe keeping DeSantis within 20 points of Trump this year just on the off chance Trump drops, but they can't lift him over the top, and MAGA won't back him in 2024 or 2028.  Trump will make sure DeSantis will not sniff the White House, because if Trump can't have it, neither can somebody that has betrayed him.

Pence is a non-factor for 2028.  I'd argue that Trump has already destroyed him with MAGA which explains his low polling numbers, and why Trump doesn't care to throw the kind of attention at him that he does DeSantis, but Pence is already done with the MAGA crowd - too many of them think he was the key to keeping Trump in office and that he let them and Trump down.  Pence polling ahead of Haley makes me think there is some small group of evangelicals who sense he's one of their own, and while they will vote for whoever wins the primary, Pence is their guy until then.  Or it's a group of moderates who hate Trump and DeSantis, but while Pence is evangelical as hell, Pence also knows how to play the game in DC. Or a little of both groups.

Nikki...Nikki...Nikki....Trump has thrown shade at her, but he also mentioned that she appeared to kiss the ring and discussed permission for running for office with him, which is something DeSantis didn't do, so she didn't full-on betray him like DeSantis did and he hasn't fully tried to destroy her with MAGA like DeSantis did (he's definitely tried to hurt her, but her polling keeps her out of his life of fire at DeSantis).  Of course, MAGA is all about making abortions illegal, but if she has decided MAGA won't back her, or that they'll ultimately pull the (R) lever in 2028 no matter who is on the ticket, she's making a safe play by hedging her bet on abortion.  Plus, she can always drop out of the race this year, let MAGA eat itself, and lose to the Dems next year, and then she can jump into the nomination pool in 2026/2027 and tell the Republican kingmakers/moderates "look, I was talking about abortion being a problem for the GOP with women in 2023 and you all didn't listen to me, and I'm not a part of the Trump and DeSantis fight, and being a woman and having talked to women about abortion, you all really need me in the mix".

She's the only one of the top 4-5 that can try and make the issue of abortion work for her with women if she's the only one out there not trying to make it absolute like DeSantis is (Trump could give a rat's ass about abortion).

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I don't know if anyone is interested but me... but this is a very thorough and brutal take-down of Kaczmarek's decision, which answered basically all of my questions.

https://adamunikowsky.substack.com/p/mifepristone-and-the-rule-of-law-9c4

Now, the Fifth Circuit (2-1) has upheld all restrictions on the drug from before they were loosened several years ago (guess they couldn't avoid ruling that the statute of limitations expired to challenge original FDA approval) and in doing so, rubber stamped the insane finding of plaintiff standing, bloviating on the risks of the drug, etc. 

Read Unikowsky's analysis -- he clerked for Scalia-- and you get even more outraged that our federal judiciary has been taken over by activist nut jobs who will twist the law well past the breaking point to get what they want. He doesn't say that. He doesn't have to. 

 

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Abortion decriminalization

As the other centerpiece of Prop A, the section on abortion would prohibit SAPD officers from investigating, making arrests or otherwise enforcing “any alleged criminal abortion.”

The only exceptions would be in instances where a pregnant person is coerced or forced, or in cases involving conduct that’s criminally negligent to the health of the pregnant person seeking care.

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4 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

That’s a lot of words to say “Nikki Haley will never ever ever win the GOP nomination for president”.

Depends on how things go over the next 18 months - if she drops early enough, she escapes Trump's wrath. Like I said, Trump will make sure that DeSantis does not come out of 2024 as a viable candidate and Pence's political career is finished (unless he runs for a legislative seat). Even if she doesn't win the nomination in 2028, she'll at least be on the ticket in 2028.  Assuming that Republicans don't keep on down the batshit path.

 

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Not sure Oklahomans in power would care or be displeased about any of that unless there's a fetal/infant mortality rate in there. 

Very few replies to the tweet and the first one is: First - we are failing them by calling some men women. Fix that first.

And then "what is a woman" and "trans is a mental illness" 

This country's troglodytes are many, easily led, and thoroughly diseased.

 

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Texas GIF

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics/no-exceptions-coming-for-texas-abortion-ban-both-parties-say/

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With just 21 days left to pass House bills out of committee, there is no sign in the Texas legislature that any changes are coming to the state’s strict abortion ban. On Monday morning, lawmakers who authored the legislation that made providing abortion a felony stood with activists to denounce any possible changes to the law.

“The origin of the conception is not what determines the value of life,” State Sen. Angela Paxton said. “I am the result of an unplanned pregnancy.”

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Rep. Giovanni Capriglione, (R-Southlake), said his goal this session is to prevent any exceptions that would weaken the restrictions.

“There is no such thing as an unplanned pregnancy. There’s a plan for everyone,” he said.

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They highlighted 10 bills that aim to loosen the abortion ban to exempt cases like rape, incest, and fatal birth defects. All are authored by Democrats and none have received a hearing in their respective committees.

“I don’t see that any change is on the horizon,” state rep. Mihaela Plesa said. “I have been working really hard with members across the aisle, I’ve been working with leadership of the public health committee to try to get some of my bills heard on the floor.”

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Rep. Plesa, (D-Dallas), has filed a series of bills to clarify when doctors may intervene in a high-risk pregnancy.

HB 1490 would require doctors to prioritize the woman’s life above the life of the fetus. She intended this to be an answer to Gov. Greg Abbott’s request that doctors have clear instructions in how to handle those emergency cases.

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“I thought that was just a common sense bill because the governor asked for clarification around these abortion exemptions,” she said. “That’s what my bill was supposed to do, just to create that clarification so that doctors aren’t put in a hard position. When you’re having woman go into septic shock… the choice will be absolutely easy for the doctors.”

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In November, just before the general election, Abbott told KXAN he will focus on clarifying the law doctors must follow.

“There are some doctors who say they don’t have the authority to treat things like ectopic pregnancies or miscarriages,” he said. “I believe that’s unacceptable. So one thing I will be keenly focused on is clarifying and making sure the state is doing everything we possibly can to protect the life of the mother.”

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On Monday, however, Texas Alliance for Life said there is no need to change the law to accomplish that. 

“Our laws are very clear,” Amy O’Donnell with the Alliance for Life said. “We have heard stories of doctors who say they need further clarification. And we believe that that clarification should come in the same way that it comes for doctors regarding other legislative laws that have passed that affect their practice, and that’s through the various boards that provide that clarification for them, as well as for nurses and for pharmacists. The laws do not need to be changed.”

Remember, the Republicans are making sure there are no exceptions, and causing all of these problems for doctors is completely by design.  Abbott just threw that out there to try and defuse the situation, but as usually, 100% bullshit.

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On 4/15/2023 at 2:35 PM, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Lying fucking assholes!

 

 

blissfully awaiting an explanation from @TwiceHorn on why this guy isn't clearly compromised and a partisan hack judge on the bench, and another bellweather of our increasingly fascistic justice system

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Texas GIF

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics/no-exceptions-coming-for-texas-abortion-ban-both-parties-say/

Remember, the Republicans are making sure there are no exceptions, and causing all of these problems for doctors is completely by design.  Abbott just threw that out there to try and defuse the situation, but as usually, 100% bullshit.

Sick fucks. Jesus. 

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1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Maybe if there were some evidence that pro-lifers give a shit about kids following birth . . .

More likely to see camps for rape surviving children, who became mothers, who are too young to work, despite the best efforts to lower age requirements for employment.

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On 4/18/2023 at 9:05 AM, atomheartbevo said:

Texas GIF

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas-politics/no-exceptions-coming-for-texas-abortion-ban-both-parties-say/

Remember, the Republicans are making sure there are no exceptions, and causing all of these problems for doctors is completely by design.  Abbott just threw that out there to try and defuse the situation, but as usually, 100% bullshit.

How am I just hearing about these bills on this message board?

The Ds in Texas need to have this information on TV commercials and billboards all across the state.

These so-called “pro-lifers” are barbaric. While this won’t change the hard-core religious right voters, it may turn some votes in the suburbs.

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2 hours ago, mdmost said:

7-2 with the two usual turds dissenting. 

It’s not actually clear if it was 7-2. It was at least 5-4, but there could’ve been two more silent dissenters.

Alito is a huge fuckin pissbaby.

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On 4/21/2023 at 7:45 PM, Bama Chick said:

Alito’s dissent is absolutely disgusting.

He needs an ass kicking.

His presence on the court in general has been absolutely disgusting.

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/28/politics/abortion-bills-fail-nebraska-south-carolina/index.html

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Measures that would have severely restricted abortion failed Thursday in Nebraska and South Carolina, which both have Republican-controlled legislatures, a reflection of the growing unease among Republicans over the political popularity of strict bans.

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In Nebraska, a “Heartbeat Act” would have banned most abortions after six weeks except in cases of rape or incest or to preserve the life of the mother once a “fetal heartbeat” was detected, but it stalled in the legislature. A cloture vote to overcome a filibuster of the bill failed by a vote of 32-15, with two senators abstaining, including Republican state Sen. Merv Riepe – leaving the measure one vote shy of the two-thirds majority needed for full consideration. Riepe, a cosigner to the bill, had proposed an amendment to move the ban to 12 weeks instead of six weeks, but his amendment did not receive a vote Thursday.

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On Thursday afternoon, the South Carolina state Senate failed to pass the “Human Life Protection Act,” which would have banned abortions in the state, in a 22-21 vote with five women voting against it – including three Republicans. The bill previously passed in the state House and included exceptions for incidents of rape or incest.

In the wake of last year’s Supreme Court ruling overturning Roe v. Wade, many Republican-led states have enacted sweeping abortion restrictions. But unpopularity – demonstrated by electoral evidence – over severe restrictions have prompted Republicans to reconsider the political wisdom of enacting near-total bans on the procedure, and House Republicans have recently stepped away from pushing a federal abortion ban.

Republicans are becoming self-aware that maybe abortion is not the hill they want to die on.

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On 5/2/2023 at 12:38 PM, bolverk said:

Example #345,678,152: It's not about "saving babies." It's about controlling women.

fucking exactly. if it were about saving babies abortion is the last thing to look at.

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36 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

The goals are a bit more extreme. It's about dominating and humiliating women—enforced with codes of violence (forced births, denying reproductive rights, etc.). Patriarchy and theocracy go together.

Margaret Atwood saw it coming in the Reagan era. The Handmaid's Tale is the American prophecy. 

I'd argue that dominating and humiliating them are other means of control.

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Republicans like raping children and getting them pregnant

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Audrey Wascome, who says she was sexually abused by a relative as a child and later was raped at 17, testified along with other survivors on Wednesday at the Louisiana’s House Criminal Justice Committee. Democrats had introduced legislation to add rape and incest exceptions to the state’s abortion ban, and even after hearing testimony from people like Wascome, Republicans voted them down.

Wascome told me in an interview after the hearing that it felt like an “openly hostile” environment. A man was standing near the witness table with a rosary, reciting Bible verses. Some Republican committee members got up and left in the middle of witness testimony. Other GOP legislators who did stay in the room “were just pretending that the witnesses weren’t there,” she said. “It was super disrespectful.”

“You have survivors describing their private pain and basically begging them for mercy,” said Wascome. “It just felt like a slap.”

Wascome says she noticed one lawmaker rolling her eyes and shaking her head at some of the testimony. “Even if you don’t agree with [adding] exceptions, there’s just common human decency for people talking about their trauma, and it was just missing from a lot of them.”

Wascome shared her own story of assault on Wednesday, telling the committee about being sexually abused by her grandfather for the first decade of her life, as her grandmother filmed the incidents. At age 17, Wascome says she was raped by an acquaintance and didn’t obtain emergency contraception before the 72-hour period had passed. While she didn’t become pregnant, she has since dedicated her time to becoming an advocate for fellow survivors, including for two 9-year-old girls who were both impregnated at age 8 in unrelated cases. One was in her second trimester, the other in her third; they both came into the hospital complaining of stomach pain.

“Neither knew they were pregnant, but how could they? They were still playing with dolls,” Wascome said in her powerful testimony to the committee.

Wascome tells Jezebel that not a week goes by she doesn’t think of those young survivors, wondering what happened to them. She says one of the children’s fetuses didn’t have a heartbeat by the time she came in, but that the doctor at the time refused to conduct a D&C and save the fetal remains as DNA evidence for a rape case. Wascome ended up arranging for the child and her family to seek care at a nearby abortion clinic, which, of course, is now closed.

She told the committee she was putting the right to her privacy aside by putting her story in the public record, in the hopes of “salvaging someone else’s life.”

Andrea Dubé is another survivor who testified at the hearing, telling the committee that she had a pregnancy scare after being raped, and if she’d been forced to carry it to term, she would have died by suicide. She also says she felt completely ignored by Republican legislators.

“It feels pretty crappy that I was inside, publicly crying and talking about killing myself while they were out in the hallways shooting the shit with lobbyists and pro-lifers,” Dubé told me. “They voted against abortion access for raped children but apparently couldn’t stomach our three minute statements.”

“It was emotionally exhausting to see survivors pouring out their souls and giving up their privacy when the outcome of the bill was obviously determined well before we got there,” said Morgan Lamandre, the president and CEO of Sexual Trauma Awareness and Response (STAR). “There was a total and complete lack of attention paid to survivors by some of the legislators, even when they were sitting right in front of survivors. It was hard to watch.”

Lift Louisiana Executive Director Michelle Erenberg corroborated accounts that most of the Republican committee members left the room during the testimony of patients, survivors and doctors. They only returned to the committee room to vote against the bills. She said her organization is “extremely disappointed to see that committee members have chosen to overlook the suffering of rape and incest survivors in favor of a cruel position endorsed by extremists.”

All five of the abortion-related bills aimed at softening the state’s abortion ban were scheduled on the annual “Pro-Life Day at the Capitol.” (All five bills either failed to get out of committee or were deferred.) Buses filled with anti-abortion activists arrived in Baton Rouge for the day, and in the capitol’s rotunda, Louisiana Right to Life served “Everyone Deserves a Birthday” Cake to visitors and legislators.

 

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