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11 hours ago, Immaculate Vibes said:

 

Maybe they watched an interview with Fauci? I was a young kid, but i guess people were confused back then?

 

From 1983? When HIV wasn’t even known as HIV? And they were just starting to link opportunistic diseases to a Human T-Lymphotrophic virus? I went to medical school in the early 90s and our teaching hospital cared for the largest HIV /AIDS population outside of SF. our chief of ID was still not sure HIV wasn’t easily transmissible from saliva on broken skin. So yeah it’s reasonable that there  would be concern for close contact transmission in 1983

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I really try to consider every opinion with an open mind, realizing we all have different values, thought processes, cultures, etc. But some of you make this so fucking difficult. I am a school cou

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In Texas, it's coaches and pastors face-fucking your kids.  And yet, they are held in higher regard here than any other state.  

Or it's your creepy brother-in-law.  Much as I like to joke about the dude in the van with no windows, the guy raping your kids is "aces in your book"  

You people are so fucking backwards sometimes.  At least the Irish Catholics I grew up with in Chicago knew how to lie for their ministry.

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On 3/15/2022 at 8:46 AM, Mrs Whiggins said:

If you weren't on your fourth or fifth sock I would ask if you were new here. Alas.

 

 

As I stated before, the Florida bill does not specify what "classroom instruction" is. That leaves it open to parental interpretation and a lawsuit. A lawsuit that is mediated by an appointed special investigator. A teacher does not have to have a lesson plan on sexual _______, to have a parent decide 'they' know best about how to define 'classroom instruction.' After all, 'they' know what 'socialism' and 'CRT' are, right? Right?

 

It's Florida. Nothing could possibly go wrong there.

Another thing you have to consider is that even if a lawsuit is a loser and is quickly dismissed, it is an highly unpleasant and expensive thing to have to deal with.  "You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride."

So, even if a lawsuit created by statute is highly defendable, and theoretically difficult to bring, the fact that it can be brought at all has a "chilling effect."

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Another thing you have to consider is that even if a lawsuit is a loser and is quickly dismissed, it is an highly unpleasant and expensive thing to have to deal with.  "You can beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride."

So, even if a lawsuit created by statute is highly defendable, and theoretically difficult to bring, the fact that it can be brought at all has a "chilling effect."

Isn't that somewhat known as The Devin Nunes technique?

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From 1983? When HIV wasn’t even known as HIV? And they were just starting to link opportunistic diseases to a Human T-Lymphotrophic virus? I went to medical school in the early 90s and our teaching hospital cared for the largest HIV /AIDS population outside of SF. our chief of ID was still not sure HIV wasn’t easily transmissible from saliva on broken skin. So yeah it’s reasonable that there  would be concern for close contact transmission in 1983

I went to med school in the late 90's/early 00's.   I remember an Infectious Disease lecture on exotic diseases and a brief discussion of coronavirues.  I was told theses were very rare diseases.   Fucking Fauci...

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4 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

I'd estimate that the number of pastor and youth minister child molesters, as a percentage of their colleagues, blows school teacher child molestors out of the water. 

Churches draw child molestors to them like moths to a flame.

Do you have any data to provide? I suspect that percentage is pretty similar between teachers and the clergy.

Elementary schools do a pretty good job of having mostly women employed but whenever I see the occasional male teacher in elementary.

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Read it and weep libs - get out of your bubble, actually talk to real people, and realize that most parents outside of the Surly Lib Brigade agree with DeSantis.

But you can always move to California, where grooming 7 year olds is not only tolerated but celebrated.

 

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On 3/16/2022 at 2:01 PM, F250 said:

Do you have any data to provide? I suspect that percentage is pretty similar between teachers and the clergy.

Elementary schools do a pretty good job of having mostly women employed but whenever I see the occasional male teacher in elementary.

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Yeah, i guess it's a ratio of ratio.  I would hazard to guess that between both protestant and Catholic faiths...the "ministry/pastor/clergy" is 85% male in Texas?  Just a blended guess, probably way off.  And then K-12 in both public and private in Texas, only 35% is male?  Obviously way more people working in education than in organized religion, so gross numbers would be hard to compare.  But nobody rapes a kid during the normal course of their day job (be it at mass or math class).  The sinister shit happens during "one-on-one" time after church or practice.  

There's some stats to be hashed out but it's hard because it's aggregating data from a bunch of groups trying to obfuscate and say, "Not us!  That other building over there!---that's the fella you want to arrest!"   But growing up in a working class neighborhood very near Chicago, I knew lots of families close to their church who I think were skeptical of their clergy, to put it mildly.  It was just progressive enough where people didn't put up with that shit just because of tradition.  Then I get to a far less Catholic place like Austin and I see that coaches/teachers are a whole other molestation ring unto themselves.  And Texans treat their coaches like royalty.  Which is...not great Bob.

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Then I get to a far less Catholic place like Austin and I see that coaches/teachers are a whole other molestation ring unto themselves.  And Texans treat their coaches like royalty.  Which is...not great Bob.

Our school has had several football coaches that were caught trying to get fresh with a female student. My eldest son started high school in 2014 and my youngest son is still in high school. It seems like there has been a sex scandal every other year involving staff.

 

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Yeah, I realize it happens all over the world.  But what blows me away about Texas is the "man, if anybody tried that shit with my kids...I'd blow their fucking head off with my shotgun."  And yet you hear constant stories in every community about coaches/teachers/priests/counselors/ministers who are long suspected of pedophilia.  And nobody does a fucking thing about it.  I know it's not unique to here but just given our "take matters into your own hands" mantra, I'm just genuinely surprised at how little action is taken and I've lived in a bunch of corners of this country.  Or maybe we're just so much more beholden to the legal mechanisms of Spanish Common Law.  Ha

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18 minutes ago, Hookah Horns said:

What Mickey wants, Mickey gets. Don't fuck with the Mickey.

Mickey and Minnie Mouse were in divorce court. The judge asked Mickey, “So you say you want to divorce your wife because she’s crazy?” Mickey replied, “No, I said I want to divorce her because she’s fucking Goofy!”

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On 3/17/2022 at 5:17 PM, Cement said:

Read it and weep libs - get out of your bubble, actually talk to real people, and realize that most parents outside of the Surly Lib Brigade agree with DeSantis.

But you can always move to California, where grooming 7 year olds is not only tolerated but celebrated.

 

In the good old days, a majority of Americans felt African Americans were generally and profoundly inferior to white people. 

Would polls have been a good way to decide if that was a good idea or not? 

Even more interesting along these lines is, what if the poll presents an incomplete depiction of the bill? "Limiting the teaching of sexual orientation or gender identity" to the young?"

  1. It bans all discussion of the topics. That's different than teaching. The phrase suggests children are subjected to lessons on the topics which I doubt is true. What's going on now that needs to be stopped? There's a reason the law is vague. It's not a don't say gay bill; it's a gays are trying to corrupt (fuck?) your kids bill. Hate engine shit.
  2. Schools can be sued for breaking this hopelessly vague law. Let's put law enforecement in the hands of vigilantes. Again, hate engine shit.
  3. What the fuck is wrong with tolerance? If the subject of persons who fit the law come up, shouldn't a civilized republic at least make the general case that tolerance of all citizens is the very least we deserve of each other?

Almost amusingly, I was only just now moved to look up what was in the bill because of a cartoon Incredulity put up on that thread. It was the usual criticism of "woke." The whole first page of Google and beyond are links to right wing invective and scorn. I dislike Elvis Costello, but I must quote him, "what's so funny about peace, love, and understanding?"

The poll Cement quotes isn't a statement about the goodness of the bill so much as it is yet another reinforcement of what a poisoned electorate we have.

But most Dems feel this way, too!  I don't feel the need to defend Dems who are wrong or criminal. Dems who understand the bill and support it are in the wrong.

GOPs, who do or don't understand the bill, enjoy telling and swallowing hateful lies about it.

 

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It’s still relief, however temporary:

https://www.abc57.com/news/federal-judge-strikes-down-several-provisions-of-the-florida-election-rules-overhaul-passed-by-republicans-last-year

(CNN) -- A federal judge in Florida on Thursday struck down several aspects of the election rules overhaul passed by Republicans in the state last year.

US District Judge Mark Walker's scathing, 288-page opinion said some of the provisions in question were passed with the intent of targeting "Black voters because of their propensity to favor Democratic candidates." If appealed, the sweeping ruling will go to an appellate court with a conservative lean.

Walker's ruling also put Florida under a Voting Rights Act requirement that the state must seek federal approval for any future election rule changes that are similar to the provisions the judge blocked on Thursday.

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Bob Chapek is a conservative/has conservative personal values. He tried to leave his politics/religion/beliefs at home and just do his job and remain neutral. Apparently, these days you can't just do your job without commenting on political issues and if you don't take an active allyship stance or political role then you can get in some hot water. That is where we are at this point. 

Just a friendly reminder for all of us in the corporate sector as we rise the ranks, to continue to "go along to get along" and to dance when the drums start playing. This is America in 2022.

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Some context; the State of Florida in 1967 passed the Reedy Creek Improvement Act, which let Disney do, among other things:

 

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In short, the 1967 Reedy Creek Improvement Act created a special taxing district that would act with the same authority and responsibility as a county government. The legislation said that landowners within the Reedy Creek Improvement District, primarily Walt Disney World, would be solely responsible for paying the cost of providing typical municipal services like power, water, roads, fire protection etc. Local taxpayers, meaning residents of Orange and Osceola County, would not have to pay for building or maintaining those services.

 

And now apparently that's something that has to go::

 

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Gov. Ron DeSantis expressed his support Thursday for ending Disney’s “special privileges” in Florida, saying the entertainment giant’s political sway is waning.

DeSantis has been battling the Walt Disney Co. over its opposition to HB 1557, officially titled Parental Rights in Education but known by many as the “don’t say gay” bill.

“As a matter of first principle, I don’t support special privileges in law, just because a company is powerful, and they’ve been able to wield a lot of power,” he said at an event in West Palm Beach.

 

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His comments came after state Rep. Spencer Roach, R-North Fort Myers, tweeted that lawmakers have met twice to discuss repealing a 1967 state law that allowed Walt Disney World to establish its own independent government through the Reedy Creek Improvement District.

Roach did not respond to messages seeking more details. Disney also has not responded to requests for comment.

DeSantis didn’t list specific policy proposals, but he mentioned a last-minute exemption the company got in legislation last year as an example of special treatment. Lawmakers excluded companies that operate theme parks from a bill that sought to stop social media outlets from de-platforming political candidates.

 

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State Rep. Blaise Ingoglia, R-Spring Hill, said at the time the exemption was aimed at making sure the Disney Plus streaming service “isn’t caught up in this.”

DeSantis said Thursday that carve-out for Disney was “ridiculous” and “embarrassing,” but public records showed his legislative affairs director served as a liaison between Disney and lawmakers to craft its language. Those records were revealed in a report in the Seeking Rents newsletter.

DeSantis said he signed the bill because he didn’t want to “throw the baby out with the bathwater” and wants the carve-out repealed.

 

 

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A DeSantis spokeswoman did not respond to an email asking about the governor office’s involvement in the Disney carve-out and whether DeSantis would support repealing the Reedy Creek Improvement District.

DeSantis’ Big Tech law is being challenged in the courts.

Disney has carried immense influence with lawmakers for decades and is a major donor to Florida Republicans, who control state government.

In 1967, state lawmakers granted Disney unprecedented control over its theme park property, forming the Reedy Creek Improvement District.

Through that government structure, Disney gained the ability to issue tax-free bonds for improvements, regulate land use and environmental protections, and provide fire, police and other essential public services.

Disney has scored other economic wins from the Republican-controlled Legislature over the years, including a $570 million tax break for its new regional hub in Orlando’s Lake Nona community that is expected to generate more than 2,000 jobs for the region.

Republicans and Disney are at odds over DeSantis’ agenda on social issues. Disney issued a statement that HB 1557 “should never have passed and should have never been signed into law” and vowed to work to get it repealed or overturned in the courts.

HB 1557 bars classroom instruction on “sexual orientation or gender identity” or in a manner that is not “age appropriate.” Critics say the legislation is vague and targets the LGBTQ community.

DeSantis said lessening Disney’s influence in Florida politics would be “good” for the state.

“I just don’t think you have very many people in the Legislature anymore who are going to be able to defend a lot of what has been done over many, many years to really have them almost govern themselves in some of these things,” DeSantis said. “You know, that was probably never appropriate to start, but it’s certainly not appropriate now.”

 

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On 3/16/2022 at 3:08 PM, Lobo said:

In Texas, it's coaches  band directors and pastors face-fucking your kids.  And yet, they are held in higher regard here than any other state.  

Or it's your creepy brother-in-law.  Much as I like to joke about the dude in the van with no windows, the guy raping your kids is "aces in your book"  

You people are so fucking backwards sometimes.  At least the Irish Catholics I grew up with in Chicago knew how to lie for their ministry.

Ain't even close.  American Pie wasn't off base, the band nerds were all DTF with each other and the band directors.  

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2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Republicans and Disney are at odds over DeSantis’ agenda on social issues. Disney issued a statement that HB 1557 “should never have passed and should have never been signed into law” and vowed to work to get it repealed or overturned in the courts.

HB 1557 bars classroom instruction on “sexual orientation or gender identity” or in a manner that is not “age appropriate.” Critics say the legislation is vague and targets the LGBTQ community.

Oh, I see. It's a "social issue" because it doesn't fit politics as (formerly) usual, and we like calling a spade a shovel, a lie an untruth, and sedition political discourse. 

It's not a social issue to target citizens as a group. It's not a social issue to marginalize citizens who obey the law and just want to live their lives. You know, the liberty thing.

Women's suffrage, African-American suffrage, and Civil Rights are not social issues. Demagogues assailing liberty and helpless groups of citizens is not to be dismissed as a social issue. The erosion and removal of government protection of Jews in Germany was not a social issue.

Part of our dissolution is a failure of imagination in the face of open acts of anti-republic thugs against the very foundations of our agreement of formation, the Constitution thing. Sadly, the electorate in general has not been taught or has refused to learn what that document represents as a whole. They are not aided by mealy-mouthed reporting afraid to identify a fact and give it its actual name.

 

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DeSantis didn’t list specific policy proposals, but he mentioned a last-minute exemption the company got in legislation last year as an example of special treatment. Lawmakers excluded companies that operate theme parks from a bill that sought to stop social media outlets from de-platforming political candidates.


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33 minutes ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

that face always makes my fist itchy

Looks like a composite of every average middle-aged guy. If anything for his age, he's got hair and not too jowl-y. 

You could say he almost looks...Presidential. lol 

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6 hours ago, kevwun said:

I would personally like to see Disney get pissed and spend a lot of money unseating him.

"Disney announces a $40 million contribution to Val Demmings or Charlie Crist or whoever wants to run against Desantis and all the free ABC airtime (including ESPN and all affiliated networks)!!!"

Never make an enemy of someone who buys ink by the barrel and newsprint by the ton.

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Dear Florida parent/caretaker:

The Florida house of Representatives has recently ruled that “Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students.”

To be in accordance with this policy, I will no longer be referring to your student with gendered pronouns. All students will be referred to as “The” or “them.” I will no longer use a gendered title such as “Mr.” or “Mrs.” or make any references to my husband/wife in the classroom. From now on I will be using the non-gendered title “Mx.”

Furthermore, I will be removing all books or instruction which refer to a person being a “mother,” “Father,” “husband” or “wife” as these are gender identities that also may allude to sexual orientation. Needless to say, all books which refer to a character as “he” or “She” will also be removed from the classroom. If you have any concerns about this policy, please feel free to contact your local congressperson.

Thank you, Mx. XXXXXXXXXX

 

 

 

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/1/2089558/-Moms-for-Liberty-cry-when-Don-t-Say-Gay-bill-gets-turned-against-heterosexual-parents

 

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