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10 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Yeah I don’t know how heating organic compounds to a temp that would vaporize them would not result in harmful byproducts but I’m definitely not an expert. And oils wouldn’t have water in them unless there is some type of emulsifier which seems like a horrible idea 

You're only ever in the danger zone (as far as creating harmful byproducts goes) if you are heating them to a point that actually causes thermal degradation. None of the commercial disposables (like Geek Bars or whatever) that most people use get hot enough for this to happen. If you're using a custom vape with high wattage, that can be a different story, especially if you're not replacing your coils as often as you should.

Also, what TH is saying isn't really correct. There is no water vapor coming from the e-liquid, it's aerosolized glycerin and propylene glycol. Whatever water vapor you're exhaling comes from the air in your lungs.

Either way, I'm glad I don't touch the stuff anymore.

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The D8 vapes that I have all feel really bad when compared to putting flower in a Pax. I use gummies 95% of the time now, but the unregulated vapes felt pretty scammy honestly. 

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13 minutes ago, SimonBolivar said:

The D8 vapes that I have all feel really bad when compared to putting flower in a Pax. I use gummies 95% of the time now, but the unregulated vapes felt pretty scammy honestly. 

well the unregulated ones which garbage put into them is a different issue, but even with those that are well-tested and regulated, I'm still concerned about inhaling a heated oil

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5 minutes ago, Foosters said:

well the unregulated ones which garbage put into them is a different issue, but even with those that are well-tested and regulated, I'm still concerned about inhaling a heated oil

Vape juice contains water soluble organic compounds, no oils. Still not good for you, I imagine, but inhaling heated oil would cause [maybe permanent] lung damage pretty quickly I think.

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1 hour ago, Foosters said:

Actual non-gotcha question for @Sawbonz

As someone who occasionally vapes THC, my understanding was that it is believed to be safer than leaf combustion (cigarette or joint) but that most of the health concerns come from the unknowns that are present due to lack of studies? Is that fair?

I prefer edibles and have a dry-herb vape that I'm far more comfortable using than the oil, although it is not near as convenient.

A lot of vapes put heavy metals into your lungs.

https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/disposable-e-cigarettes-more-toxic-traditional-cigarettes

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1 hour ago, Brian Fantana said:

I also quit cigs by using a vape, and quitting the goddamn vape was 100x harder.

Nowadays I don't use any nicotine/tobacco products at all but I'm on those THC gummies every day.

Which banned dyes are in those gummies?

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5 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

A lot of vapes put heavy metals into your lungs.

No worries. I already have heavy metal coursing through my veins. 

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46 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

You're only ever in the danger zone (as far as creating harmful byproducts goes) if you are heating them to a point that actually causes thermal degradation. None of the commercial disposables (like Geek Bars or whatever) that most people use get hot enough for this to happen. If you're using a custom vape with high wattage, that can be a different story, especially if you're not replacing your coils as often as you should.

Also, what TH is saying isn't really correct. There is no water vapor coming from the e-liquid, it's aerosolized glycerin and propylene glycol. Whatever water vapor you're exhaling comes from the air in your lungs.

Either way, I'm glad I don't touch the stuff anymore.

What temp do vape pens generate?  Quick google search says propylene glycol can decompose into formaldehyde and other toxic agents as low as 140C. 

google also says vape coils hit that temp and well above. 

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24 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

Vape juice contains water soluble organic compounds, no oils. Still not good for you, I imagine, but inhaling heated oil would cause [maybe permanent] lung damage pretty quickly I think.

Are you sure? A quick search shows that these types of cartridges contain "cannabis oil."

THE LEGION OF BLOOM — The Monarch Vape Line

Whatever it is, its so viscous that turning the cart upside down will take hours for the solution to settle at the bottom

 

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11 hours ago, scottsins said:

Have we just totally glossed over the ban of all sales of THC vape products that went into effect? Delta-8, THC-A, hemp derived Delta-9, etc?

I knew nothing about it until yesterday.

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Just now, Foosters said:

Are you sure? A quick search shows that these types of cartridges contain "cannabis oil."

THE LEGION OF BLOOM — The Monarch Vape Line

Whatever it is, its so viscous that turning the cart upside down will take hours for the solution to settle at the bottom

 

I don't know about those, never used them. I was talking specifically about nicotine vape juice.

5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

What temp do vape pens generate?  Quick google search says propylene glycol can decompose into formaldehyde and other toxic agents as low as 140C. 

google also says vape coils hit that temp and well above. 

I'm not sure, not an expert by any means but I would guess that temperature is just one factor. I know I read a while back that most of the toxic byproduct release was attributed to dry hits or improperly installed coils etc.

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People vaping in 2025 is insane to me, but to each their own. Keeps my job safe. You wouldnt believe how hard it is to extubate someone who is a regular vape user vs non-smoker.

 

 

Gummies easily where its at

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57 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

it's aerosolized glycerin and propylene glycol.

Again I don’t know how these pens work but compounds like this break down to bad shit if heated above certain temps. It’s why in O chem lab we had to heat certain reagents over a water bath instead of over a flame or hot plate

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1 minute ago, Sawbonz said:

Again I don’t know how these pens work but compounds like this break down to bad shit if heated above certain temps. It’s why in O chem lab we had to heat certain reagents over a water bath instead of over a flame or hot plate

Whatever medical nerd, we amateur home chefs call that a double boiler

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i think we're all talking about different things.

- E-cigs with liquid (can be broken down further into disposable vs refillable)

- Vaping THC oil (can be broken down further into disposable vs refillable AND regulated vs unregulated)

- Vaping dry herb THC

Anyway, sorry for the thread derail. Probably a better place to continue the conversation.

 

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14 minutes ago, mchookem said:

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That was the moment that changed it from "drinking this afternoon" to "drinking heavily this afternoon"

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33 minutes ago, Ghost of NMAS said:

I guess Texas is no longer a failed state since this thread has turned into a vape discussion group

vapes, cooking oil, Hall&Oates...surly thread derails are an art form, dude!

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2 hours ago, Foosters said:

Is that right? Because the THC stuff is a pretty thick oil, and I'm just imagining my lungs looking kinda like my oven range hood after a couple of months of cooking...

Well, sorry, I am less familiar with THC vapes than nicotine vapes.  But, pretty sure that's the same sticky icky that gets burnt with the doobage and inhaled, so avoiding the whole combustion of plant material is probably a harm reduction.  They're just now coming around to the notion that smoking marijuana is about as bad as smoking tobacco.

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4 hours ago, mchookem said:

vapes, cooking oil, Hall&Oates...surly thread derails are an art form, dude!

Hey guys which kind of motor oil is better to use in the winter 5w20 or 5w40?



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