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It would be pathetic beyond words if they actually hire a construction company to build a bonfire on campus and then pretend it's the return of their "glorious" tradition. So, they have to be seriously considering it since they never pass up the opportunity to be clueless ass clowns. And there's no other way for this to happen given legal liability concerns if they sacrifice more students to the pagan god of Bonfire.

The whole thing would be laughable if 12 students hadn't died for a fucking football game. And the ass clowns are proud of that.   

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Oh they’re 1000% bringing back the bonfire. Only this time Colliers or Alamo will be building it supervised by attorneys and insurance adjusters. 
 

Corps turds will still wear their painted overalls and hard hats, but observe from a safe distance. 

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This…is jaw-dropping, and that it comes from a parent of one of the murdered students tells you all you need to know about the cult:

“Although I know it would not be able to be a totally student-managed endeavor in the future like it was in the past, maybe it could be “inspected” by professionals as the students build it. That was one of the amazing things about Bonfire – the students did it all and learned tremendous management skills while doing it.”

Learned. Tremendous. Management skills.
What…THE ACTUAL…FUCK?????

You know what the #1 “management skill” to be deployed in building a jillion ton 60 foot tall structure is? THE FUCKING SKILL TO CONSTRUCT IT SO IT DOESN’T FALL DOWN AND KILL PEOPLE. They totally omitted that skill. Know why? BECAUSE THEY WERE FUCKING COLLEGE STUDENTS WHO WERE ENTIRELY UNQUALIFIED TO TAKE ON A MASSIVE AND PERILOUS CIVIL ENGINEERING PROJECT.

Am I taking fucking crazy pills? What is fucking WRONG with these people????

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24 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Oh they’re 1000% bringing back the bonfire. Only this time Colliers or Alamo will be building it supervised by attorneys and insurance adjusters. 
 

Corps turds will still wear their painted overalls and hard hats, but observe from a safe distance. 

I could see the Lorenz & Lorenz commercial now.  (ted jumps in top of bonfire), "I'm Ted Lorenz and I'm on top of it!" (slips and falls off), "I've made a huge mistake!"  

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This…is jaw-dropping, and that it comes from a parent of one of the murdered students tells you all you need to know about the cult:

“Although I know it would not be able to be a totally student-managed endeavor in the future like it was in the past, maybe it could be “inspected” by professionals as the students build it. That was one of the amazing things about Bonfire – the students did it all and learned tremendous management skills while doing it.”

Learned. Tremendous. Management skills.
What…THE ACTUAL…FUCK?????

You know what the #1 “management skill” to be deployed in building a jillion ton 60 foot tall structure is? THE FUCKING SKILL TO CONSTRUCT IT SO IT DOESN’T FALL DOWN AND KILL PEOPLE. They totally omitted that skill. Know why? BECAUSE THEY WERE FUCKING COLLEGE STUDENTS WHO WERE ENTIRELY UNQUALIFIED TO TAKE ON A MASSIVE AND PERILOUS CIVIL ENGINEERING PROJECT.

Am I taking fucking crazy pills? What is fucking WRONG with these people????

Aggie, "I have management skills.  Whey can't you people see that?  What the hell is the matter with you people?!?"  

2 minutes ago, TotallyLegit said:

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Change out 'Eggs' to 'Aggs'

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28 minutes ago, TreatyOak said:

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Holy shit bro.

Most people won't remember, but a couple years before the event, the stack fell down. We were there for the fall lacrosse tournament, and looked over at their leaning tower of stupidity and kind of just laughed. They got it rebuilt before the game. The point is, they knew it would happen. It wasn't some out of the blue "we didn't see this coming" black fucking swan event. It was a known thing.

My recollection was they blamed the rain, I think, when I was there. Soft ground.

According to wikipedia, they will have to use a professional engineering firm this time.

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The Texas Board of Professional Engineers announced in 2000 that the Aggie Bonfire met the requirements to be considered a complex construction project subject to regulation under state engineering laws and would thus have had to be designed and overseen by a professional engineer.[15]

 

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From the information I've been privy to, it would be, as mentioned, professionally built without student involvement in any capacity.  I've heard that they are looking at options like building a metal substructure that can be reused, and either adding logs as a kind of facade, or also building fake logs and making the burn a gas fire, like propane.  Basically a giant gas fireplace that's made to take down and reassemble every year.  The folks I've spoken to don't think it will come back for numerous reasons.  First, insurance for the event would be very expensive.  Secondly, where are they going to put it?  There's a huge memorial to those who died when it collapsed, right in the middle of the field that they used before.  Plus, there isn't a very strong sentiment among current students to do it.  The off campus bonfires have had progressively less and less student participation, and not having students work on building it wouldn't really help that any.  I told them that I wasn't so sure it was dead because you can never underestimate the desire of aggy to do stupid shit.  We'll see, but I agree with those who think they'll find a way to make that stupidity come back.

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Oh they’re 1000% bringing back the bonfire. Only this time Colliers or Alamo will be building it supervised by attorneys and insurance adjusters. 
 
Corps turds will still wear their painted overalls and hard hats, but observe from a safe distance. 
Also doesn't matter how loaded they get if they can't whoop and squeeze their balls from the top of the pile. Not only were previous bonfires built by engineer wannabes who didn't know shit about fuck, they did it while at least 3.5 sheets to the wind.
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I'm not a civil engineer, but I am an engineer who has designed various things (some potentialy dangerous and some not) to standards, and I've designed additions to a house that a GC built.  Every potential load-bearing or safety-critical aspect must pass muster and be documented.  Beyond that, inspections have to happen in construction.  I just don't get how these dipshits got away with a bunch of wholly uneducated rubes building a multistory building (and make no mistake, that's what bonfahr is) without any real constraints save gravity and questionable geometry?  I mean, if a building inspector from any other county came by he would laugh his ass off in terror and kick everyone off the stack.  It's astonishing.  AND they have a supposedly reputable engineering department.

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I'm not a civil engineer, but I am an engineer who has designed various things (some potentialy dangerous and some not) to standards, and I've designed additions to a house that a GC built.  Every potential load-bearing or safety-critical aspect must pass muster and be documented.  Beyond that, inspections have to happen in construction.  I just don't get how these dipshits got away with a bunch of wholly uneducated rubes building a multistory building (and make no mistake, that's what bonfahr is) without any real constraints save gravity and questionable geometry?  I mean, if a building inspector from any other county came by he would laugh his ass off in terror and kick everyone off the stack.  It's astonishing.  AND they have a supposedly reputable engineering department.

It’s not reputable. Because it acquiesced to a massive stricture following zero standards with no real oversight…and they’ll do so again, in a heartbeat. Because aggy. And cult.
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I'm not a civil engineer, but I am an engineer who has designed various things (some potentialy dangerous and some not) to standards, and I've designed additions to a house that a GC built.  Every potential load-bearing or safety-critical aspect must pass muster and be documented.  Beyond that, inspections have to happen in construction.  I just don't get how these dipshits got away with a bunch of wholly uneducated rubes building a multistory building (and make no mistake, that's what bonfahr is) without any real constraints save gravity and questionable geometry?  I mean, if a building inspector from any other county came by he would laugh his ass off in terror and kick everyone off the stack.  It's astonishing.  AND they have a supposedly reputable engineering department.

Which subcontractor put the jizzjar in the attic?
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3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'm not a civil engineer, but I am an engineer who has designed various things (some potentialy dangerous and some not) to standards, and I've designed additions to a house that a GC built.  Every potential load-bearing or safety-critical aspect must pass muster and be documented.  Beyond that, inspections have to happen in construction.  I just don't get how these dipshits got away with a bunch of wholly uneducated rubes building a multistory building (and make no mistake, that's what bonfahr is) without any real constraints save gravity and questionable geometry?  I mean, if a building inspector from any other county came by he would laugh his ass off in terror and kick everyone off the stack.  It's astonishing.  AND they have a supposedly reputable engineering department.

As I recall, some of their engineering faculty tried to raise concerns to no avail.

Cuz it's a cult, you know. And who knows more about structural safety anyway--an engineer or some bellowing redass AG polishing up his management skills for that sweet "insurance salesman in Katy" gig?

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Any engineer/contractor/attorney/insurance adjuster they get will 100% be a former Ag, so will any of this oversight really matter???

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7 hours ago, Tired Horn said:

As I recall, some of their engineering faculty tried to raise concerns to no avail.

Are there any articles documenting this? I would like to read it. 

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I would think they could conceive some kind of nested pyramid construction -- think "Russian dolls" -- where logs are lashed to welded steel frames, layer by layer so it gets taller and wider out to the final dimensions.  The frames might not be able to take the heat, though.  (Recall WTC's steel structure being weakened by burning jet fuel, but that could be at a higher temperature than wood, I don't know.)  Regardless, it's probably cost prohibitive.  Maybe Jimbo could loan them some money.

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20 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I would think they could conceive some kind of nested pyramid construction -- think "Russian dolls" -- where logs are lashed to welded steel frames, layer by layer so it gets taller and wider out to the final dimensions.  The frames might not be able to take the heat, though.  (Recall WTC's steel structure being weakened by burning jet fuel, but that could be at a higher temperature than wood, I don't know.)  Regardless, it's probably cost prohibitive.  Maybe Jimbo could loan them some money.

You win the internets today.

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1 hour ago, TreatyOak said:

Are there any articles documenting this? I would like to read it. 

I dont have any proof, but I seem to recall something similar.

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What I recall, from the time of the accident, is that a Professor of Civil Engineering had designed the structure, prepared plans, produced a manual (insert MensaTom binder joke here) and had supervised the previous couple of years' construction. The design included using double-length logs in each layer (except the top, of course) which essentially tied the layers together to prevent exactly the slippage that happened. However, he had left aggy (for Colorado State, I think it was) and was not there for the Fatal Fire. I'm not sure about his successor in the task, but whether it was an active faculty member or not, the critical element - the longer logs that tied the layers together were apparently not used. 

The issue is not that the structure was a shitty design - I think it is a perfectly good design, in fact. The issue is that they did not follow the design, and that is - or seems to me to be - a classic case of negligence on the part of the school itself.

Heads should have rolled: they didn't.

Fuck aggy, and fuck the aggys that deflected the punishment.

 

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25 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

The issue is not that the structure was a shitty design - I think it is a perfectly good design, in fact. The issue is that they did not follow the design, and that is - or seems to me to be - a classic case of negligence on the part of the school itself.

This probably seems like I'm picking nits, but the design (as built) WAS a shitty design.  The fact that they had successful designs in years prior with plans they failed to follow is, as you say, on the school, and frankly some of the students.  Ignorance is not a very good defense.

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15 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

This probably seems like I'm picking nits, but the design (as built) WAS a shitty design.  The fact that they had successful designs in years prior with plans they failed to follow is, as you say, on the school, and frankly some of the students.  Ignorance is not a very good defense.

Pick all the nits you like, no problem. Nobody's defending anything. My point is not what they DID, it's that they had a perfectly good design, with plans to follow... and they didn't do it. Call it stupidity, or whatever. I don't recall anything to the effect that they re-designed it, although that's certainly a possibility. 

Again, bottom line: Fuck aggy.

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From a Washington Post article after the collapse.   Yes they knew for years and ignored the engineering professors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1999/12/19/from-why-to-how-at-texas-a38/45ea21bd-f43c-411a-9993-b287c68596f4/

Pulled the important quote

"Since the catastrophe, which occurred a week before Thanksgiving, A&M engineering professor Loren D. Lutes has criticized the stack design, noting that a now-retired A&M colleague had argued for years that the design was "fatally flawed," the Dallas Morning News reported recently. Lutes outlined the flaws in an e-mail message to A&M President Ray Bowen shortly after the collapse, according to the newspaper, which obtained a copy of the message.

Referring to former professor T.J. "Teddy" Hirsch, who retired in the early 1990s, Lutes told Bowen, "Many structural engineering faculty members are well aware of Teddy's unsuccessful attempt to have the design of the stack altered." He said there was a "general agreement" among A&M engineers that "something [is] wrong with the fundamental arrangement of the stack," causing it to be "unstable.""

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In 1986 and 87 I dated a woman who had worked in aggy's risk management department.  She told me then that they (risk management) had been trying to get bonfire shut down for at least 10 years due to the risk and actual costs to aggy.  The risk department was told to shut up and deal with it.

The stack itself was the least dangerous part of the undertaking.  She told me that they were regularly paying out settlements to students injured or killed at the cut sites, or to people injured or killed in automobile accidents caused by drunk and/or exhausted aggys driving back from cut sites.  I remember several news reports in the 80s and 90s about students and other drivers being killed or maimed in such accidents.  There were also accidents on the stack site, but they weren't as severe as the others until the stack collapsed.

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30 minutes ago, Scheiss Meister said:

In 1986 and 87 I dated a woman who had worked in aggy's risk management department.  She told me then that they (risk management) had been trying to get bonfire shut down for at least 10 years due to the risk and actual costs to aggy.  The risk department was told to shut up and deal with it.

The stack itself was the least dangerous part of the undertaking.  She told me that they were regularly paying out settlements to students injured or killed at the cut sites, or to people injured or killed in automobile accidents caused by drunk and/or exhausted aggys driving back from cut sites.  I remember several news reports in the 80s and 90s about students and other drivers being killed or maimed in such accidents.  There were also accidents on the stack site, but they weren't as severe as the others until the stack collapsed.

Well, it's good to diversify.  Killing undergrads in a variety of ways spreads out the risk.

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1 hour ago, Scheiss Meister said:

The stack itself was the least dangerous part of the undertaking. 

Logging is inherently dangerous, fact. Cutting large chunks of wood loose from the only source of stability while standing next to them seems like a less than satisfactory way of life, even if it's only once a year.

 

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15 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

Logging is inherently dangerous, fact. Cutting large chunks of wood loose from the only source of stability while standing next to them seems like a less than satisfactory way of life, even if it's only once a year.

 

Throw in that the fools doing it were aggy, untrained, drunk, and exhausted (they leave class, go to the cut site and work all night, then go back to class), it is even more dangerous.  It's a wonder more weren't killed.

My daughter (no pictures) works in conservation and has training as a sawyer.  She has to recertify every year to keep her rating up.  It is an inherently dangerous job that requires training, teamwork, and a strong predilection for safety.

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I know I post a lot of stupid stuffer here to get laughs, but this is going to be serious post.

I'm really, really scared of Texas A&M.

They are back with a new energy and determination.

They've won championships with players from small towns before. They could very well do it again.

And now, they are discussing bringing the bonfire BACK ON CAMPUS.

We simply don't have the traditions to combat this kind of commitment.

And even worse, THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED THE PREVIOUS MISTAKES SO ANY BONFIRE BUILT ON CAMPUS WILL HAVE POLES DRILLED INTO THE GROUND. 

Consider this current post from Texags: 

"The reason stack fell, started circa 95,96. I commented to the wife in 97, something is not right! Stack was falling every year in less than 15 minutes. In 97 98? It fell before the war hymn was over!

What happend? Bonfire has center pole. You are supposed to go out about 6 feet and drop another 12 mini center poles 5 feet deep. Go out another 5 feet drop 20 center poles, and continue. When stack is done it has 80 poles 5 feet in the ground. It physically cannot really fall over if the thing is anywherer remotely close to balanced.

Circa 95 that stopped happening. There were zero poles in the ground in 99."

That's right. They solved it. 

The National Championship is coming home to College Station. 

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13 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Well, it's good to diversify.  Killing undergrads in a variety of ways spreads out the risk.

This was exactly Baylor’s successful defense in the football rape scandal. It wasn’t a football problem because errbody on campus was rapin’. True, and avoided any NCAA action. 

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19 hours ago, Mr. Drummond said:

From a Washington Post article after the collapse.   Yes they knew for years and ignored the engineering professors.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1999/12/19/from-why-to-how-at-texas-a38/45ea21bd-f43c-411a-9993-b287c68596f4/

Pulled the important quote

"Since the catastrophe, which occurred a week before Thanksgiving, A&M engineering professor Loren D. Lutes has criticized the stack design, noting that a now-retired A&M colleague had argued for years that the design was "fatally flawed," the Dallas Morning News reported recently. Lutes outlined the flaws in an e-mail message to A&M President Ray Bowen shortly after the collapse, according to the newspaper, which obtained a copy of the message.

Referring to former professor T.J. "Teddy" Hirsch, who retired in the early 1990s, Lutes told Bowen, "Many structural engineering faculty members are well aware of Teddy's unsuccessful attempt to have the design of the stack altered." He said there was a "general agreement" among A&M engineers that "something [is] wrong with the fundamental arrangement of the stack," causing it to be "unstable.""

Of course I don't have the whole story, but does the esteemed engineering professor Loren D. Lutes come across as a bit of a wuss? So according to Lutes, "many structural engineering faculty members are well aware of Teddy's unsuccessful attempt to have the design of the stack altered," and there is a "general agreement" among A&M engineers that the design is "unstable." So he bravely pens a letter to president Ray Bowen AFTER the tragedy. Got it.

Way to go, Lutes. Way to step and save the day. 

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22 hours ago, Tex Long said:

What I recall, from the time of the accident, is that a Professor of Civil Engineering had designed the structure, prepared plans, produced a manual (insert MensaTom binder joke here) and had supervised the previous couple of years' construction. The design included using double-length logs in each layer (except the top, of course) which essentially tied the layers together to prevent exactly the slippage that happened. However, he had left aggy (for Colorado State, I think it was) and was not there for the Fatal Fire. I'm not sure about his successor in the task, but whether it was an active faculty member or not, the critical element - the longer logs that tied the layers together were apparently not used. 

The issue is not that the structure was a shitty design - I think it is a perfectly good design, in fact. The issue is that they did not follow the design, and that is - or seems to me to be - a classic case of negligence on the part of the school itself.

Heads should have rolled: they didn't.

Fuck aggy, and fuck the aggys that deflected the punishment.

 

Ive never heard this, or I forgot about it over the years.  Pretty awful, and I can see why the families of the deceased are upset.  Their kids died in vane and aggy with their precious bonfire supersedes human life.   

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4 minutes ago, markstanco said:

Ive never heard this, or I forgot about it over the years.  Pretty awful, and I can see why the families of the deceased are upset.  Their kids died in vane and aggy with their precious bonfire supersedes human life.   

I thought it would be a bigger deal, at the time. Maybe it was bullshit, but it makes a certain amount of sense. 

That game was in many ways a typical Mack "just tryna be a Nice Guy" scenario of not getting the team fired up and ready to go... and putting up with the hotel shit - I think that was the year the hotel let phones ring in the players' rooms all night long, and then had no breakfast in the morning, wasn't it?

That game, and the one when he played a sick and injured Colt and ignored Snead, who stood next to him the whole game and saw one snap after Aggy egregiously fouled Colt right at the end. I recall watching that and saying "Snead's gone. Dunno where he;s going, but he's gone." Not that Snead had a stellar career at Ole Miss, but I'll guarantee you if he'd been QB2 in that 'Bama game, we'da won it.

Grrrrrrr... not the memories I needed on a Monday morning.

Fuck aggy. 

And fuck Mack, too.

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