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Posted
1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

Why does Maga believe that if trump drops out of the race, all these charges get dropped ?

DoJ doesn’t care he’s running for president 

A) they’re dumb, b) they’re fucking morons and c) it’s a “witch hunt bc he’s running” so if he’s not running, there’s no case. 

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Posted
4 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

That seems long enough to help Trump but not egregious enough to get bench slapped by the 11th. 

And while I hate to give her credit for any move other than pure protect Trump, at some level she has to realize if she agreed with a date close to what Jack Smith wanted Trump and his goons would be after her and her staff. So she is in a pickle.

She also knows nothing about the issues, has no experience, and so likely needs a bunch of time to figure stuff out.  She needs her assisting Trump to pass appellate muster and not get her recused, and has to do a better job figuring out how to help him than her last efforts. 

Well, because of CIPA it's a pretty complicated case.  So, a trial date in just under a year is pretty well within expectations.  A lot of these bog down pretty bad on that shit, it seems.

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9 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

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Who is Andrew Wortman?

I mean, what more do you need to know?
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Good god, that dude follows almost 100k accounts. 

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Posted
58 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

31% of eligible votes, 35% of Americans 18 and older.  That's it.  Whenever even we, his most ardent dissenters, spew "Half the Country", that falsely bloats his support base and lets his MAGA nation thump their bloated chests with pride.  

65 out of every 100 adult Americans don't like him enough to vote for him.  And I'd say about 50% of us in total, want him dead.  Now.

Also, there's actual poll results we can look at. These are from the first week of this month, before any news of the 1/6 indictment:

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The big takeaways for me:

More than 25% of the people who support him now will support him less if convicted. So his popularity hasn't even hit bottom yet.

The number of people who want to see Trump in jail is double the number who want him to get away with it scot free.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Rimbo said:

Wrong thread, but this is mostly a nonsense take. If Gore had been elected, he would've had to do the same thing.

Ana is super proud of this both siderism. Gore would have had a response but it is utter foolishness to suggest our next two decades of FAFO in the Middle East, set in motion with 7 years of fuckery by the Bush admin, would have played out the same with Gore admin.

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Posted
20 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

We only know because Dubya shirked his responsibility and allowed the greatest attack in our country since Pearl Harbor.

Minor nit:  more died in 9/11 than died at Pearl Harbor.

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Posted
35 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, because of CIPA it's a pretty complicated case.  So, a trial date in just under a year is pretty well within expectations.  A lot of these bog down pretty bad on that shit, it seems.

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She also knows nothing about the issues, has no experience, and so likely needs a bunch of time to figure stuff 

I should have been clearer, but yeah. 

Posted
12 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Minor nit:  more died in 9/11 than died at Pearl Harbor.

Another minor nit: Hawaii wasn't "in our country" in 1941.  A horrific event nonetheless.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Chewbacca said:

This won't be her last delay.  She's still firmly on Team MAGA, just playing it smarter this time.  This trial will not happen before the election, I'd lay money on it.

yep.

Posted
30 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Minor nit:  more died in 9/11 than died at Pearl Harbor.

 

17 minutes ago, Native Horn said:

Another minor nit: Hawaii wasn't "in our country" in 1941.  A horrific event nonetheless.

Another minor nit:  Some of the victims died at the hospital so not technically "at" Pearl Harbor.

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Was it considered a territory or a protectorate or what?

Technically, a major nit, the term "the United States"---which is the real name of our country ("America" is just shorthand and there is no such country on Earth with that name, technically), refers to all 50 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, Midway, Wake, Virgin Islands (not the British ones), American Samoa, Mariana Islands, and a bunch of random atolls out that way.  At the time of December 7th, 1941...the term also included Hawaii and Alaska.  The Axis Powers may have referred to the people they were attacking as "(the) Americans", but they were fighting the U.S. Army, the U.S. Navy, the U.S. Marine Corps, and U.S. Coast Guard.  It's the U.S. Military or U.S. Armed Forces, not the American Armed Forces.  

Having said that, we all need to make a concerted effort in talking/writing to stop referring to "Half the Country."  I know it's convenient shorthand and speaks to the volume of stupidity saturating these 50 states (and others).  But it's 75mm, 35%.  And as shown above, it's actually dwindling.  Not as much as it should be, not as much as we'd like, but there is now a visible dent in that 75mm as they scurry away in shame to find another hole to hide in.  Can you imagine if it were actually half the adult population?  260 million people in the U.S. 18 and over.  That would be 130 million.  A nearly 75% increase over his current base.  We'd be fucked.  We wouldn't be on this thread because we'd have been rounded up and put in camps earlier this year.  

The only things saving us aren't political or sociological.  It's not Biden or the Justice System, or the Constitution.  It's three simple immutable laws of time and space.

1.  185mm out of 260mm American adults didn't vote for Donald Trump.  That's over 70%.  

2.  No matter what the myriad judicial outcomes and its effect/lack of effect on Trump and his base...the sheer volume of court dates, primary appearances, debates, and grift rallies, will take a serious serious toll on Trump and his supporters.

3.  There were only 75mm of them.  That's still a lot to cause serious harm to the nation, and it did, and will continue to do so.  But there weren't as many as they say, and thankfully-they were far, far more stupid and lazy than any of us thought possible.  That's what saved us, that most of them could fuck up a cup of coffee and only talk shit from their basement or cosplaying an AR-15.  They want a civil war, but thankfully-they're too fucking stupid to know who to actually fight.  

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Yeah, just shorten it to 1/3 of the country and I'm fine with that.  He got about 30% of the vote of all voting eligible adults and his last approval was 34%

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Posted
2 hours ago, Longhorn94 said:

 i cant think of any truly horrible person that didnt end up getting fucked 15 different ways by Karma. 

Henry Kissinger is doing just fine.

Pat Robertson died rich and at a fine old age.

W/Cheney seem allright.  

Have you heard the aphorism "only the good die young?"

 

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Posted
3 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Henry Kissinger is doing just fine.

Pat Robertson died rich and at a fine old age.

W/Cheney seem allright.  

Have you heard the aphorism "only the good die young?"

 

My horrible grandmother lived until just shy of 95. The other awesome 3 grandparents all died in their early 80s. Hate sustains 

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Posted
55 minutes ago, Rimbo said:

This is the wrong thread for you to post these very wrong ideas.

Everthing WhatTheBuck wrote was correct and that was just the tip of the iceberg.  How many members of PNAC would have been in the Gore administration?  There is no right thread for you to continue this nonsense.

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Posted
2 hours ago, ohchaucer said:


As if there is anything - literally and truly anything at all - that will change a mind that has already been made up for a Trump voter.

Maybe there are still a few dozen people that are looking to be persuaded. The other tens of millions might as well vote tomorrow for as much as anything matters.

Just as with the previous election this isn't about changing the mind of any trump voter. It's about disgusting the people that don't usually vote enough to actually go vote. Enough were swayed last time to vote Biden to avoid Trump for 2021. We need enough to be swayed again and this time there's way worse info out there on Trump than there was last time. Get it all out through trial and hope it's enough. 

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Posted
16 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Just as with the previous election this isn't about changing the mind of any trump voter. It's about disgusting the people that don't usually vote enough to actually go vote. Enough were swayed last time to vote Biden to avoid Trump for 2021. We need enough to be swayed again and this time there's way worse info out there on Trump than there was last time. Get it all out through trial and hope it's enough. 

Persuasion. It matters and works. 

Posted
3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Huh.  Maybe I've just had the misfortune of knowing a lot of awful human beings.  And I have.  And I'm guessing you'd be surprised by how many of them never really had to face any significant consequences.  They were born assholes, lived as assholes, and died as assholes, and life never dealt them any unusually bad consequences.  They still had their money, social standing, etc.  I've just seen too many people get through this life being shitty with minimal consequences to count on karma settling the score.

Kind of like I've also known some really good and decent people who just can't seem to catch a break.  Plenty of good people get shit on by the universe, as right next to them, a shitty person skates on by.

Yes. Unless you live in a Hollywood movie, this is obvious. That is, it's obvious if a person opens their eyes to actual reality. Somehow, that's becoming maddeningly less common.

Posted
3 hours ago, Rimbo said:

The problem is that the GOP knows this, too, which is why they are attacking democracy directly and openly now, doing everything possible to win the presidency with Trump now, and then ensure he never, every steps down. It's a horrifying deal with the devil they've made as a last desperate gasp to keep a dying party alive their criminal organization alive and themselves out of jail.

Very good post Rimbo. I hope you do not mind the edit.

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Posted (edited)
17 hours ago, Rimbo said:

Wrong thread, but this is mostly a nonsense take. If Gore had been elected, he would've had to do the same thing.

Wrong thread, but I couldn't disagree more. Nobody was pushing for that war before the Bush campaign to suggest Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attack and gathering long range WMDs to attack again. 

Gore wouldn't tell that lie. Gore would've seized the moment of universal support for America for something better than neo-conservative vicarious badassery and theft on a scale maybe never seen before in history.

I'll write no more, but I strongly disagree, my friend.

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Posted
1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

The idea that Gore would've invaded Iraq without UN support is some absurd nonsense.

No, it's not, and this is STILL the wrong thread for that discussion.

Posted
25 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

But what if the intelligence reports had been presented in the form of naughty song lyrics?

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Weren't those hearings from around 1990?  How is she looks, dresses, and photographs like a cookbook author from the early 1970's?  

Al, for as stiff as he was, was a pleasant enough looking fella.  Why did he marry that frigid catalog model from Jo-Ann Fabrics?  She already looked like his mother's age when they met.  WTG?  I wouldn't fuck her with Dee Snider's dick.

Anyway, back to Trump.  Trial dates being set for Docs., J6 target letter/incoming indictment, GA going full RiCO/Felony on Trump, Manhattan moving ahead swiftly, and Trump organization outbid on another CRE acquisition.  All in all, a rough fucking week for the Greatest President of All Time!  And oh yeah, he found out Rudy and Meadows flipped on him this week, and Ivanka still won't let him finger her

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Posted
1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Weren't those hearings from around 1990?  How is she looks, dresses, and photographs like a cookbook author from the early 1970's?  

I know, right?  How is it she knew exactly what would turn on a teenage me?

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Just now, atomheartbevo said:

I know, right?  How is it she knew exactly what would turn on a teenage me?

Right! They didn’t even have TikTok comments back then 

Posted
6 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

As someone who regularly works with courts on scheduling matters, and dealing with conflicting scheduling obligations (my clients may not have multiple trial dates next year, but I, their lead counsel, sure do), that approach is not surprising.  Yes, we may have a preferred window...say, March.  But there's a hard conflict.  And January is going to be too early, based on the anticipated schedule.  And we have to allow cushion for the March trial to run long.  So, we set the next trial in May.

Correct.

Also, sometimes the clock runs out so a person ends up never facing any consequences.  Karma does NOT always come through.  Some terrible people walk through their entire lives without ever having to face the music.

The only way Trump goes to trial on the documents is if he loses the election. No way Cannon actually conducts a trial before then. She’s already let the defendants waste a month. There is not a federal court in America where I could get away with the delay tactics that his lawyers get away with. 
If the Jan 6 case had been filed in DC he might have had his feet held to the fire by those judges but not Cannon. The fix is in and you just need to accept it. 

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Posted
27 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

The only way Trump goes to trial on the documents is if he loses the election. No way Cannon actually conducts a trial before then. She’s already let the defendants waste a month. There is not a federal court in America where I could get away with the delay tactics that his lawyers get away with. 
If the Jan 6 case had been filed in DC he might have had his feet held to the fire by those judges but not Cannon. The fix is in and you just need to accept it. 

She set it for May so if she further delays it the may get forced to recuse. Maybe that's her play. Just keep stalling until it's forced from her to another judge which will push it back further while that judge gets everything online. 

Although I'd have to think doing that would be a huge risk to her career. She's already in a Florida backwater, she may get nothing but garbage cases and pure shit the rest of her career if she fucks this up. It's a big risk to further push it back from May. 

Posted
17 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

She set it for May so if she further delays it the may get forced to recuse. Maybe that's her play. Just keep stalling until it's forced from her to another judge which will push it back further while that judge gets everything online. 

Although I'd have to think doing that would be a huge risk to her career. She's already in a Florida backwater, she may get nothing but garbage cases and pure shit the rest of her career if she fucks this up. It's a big risk to further push it back from May. 

That’s not how it works. She has a job for life and there is no way she will refuse herself. If she did not want the case all she had to do was tell the chief judge of the division. She wants it and will take care of orange Jesus. 
Either Trump becomes president and has it all dismissed by his AG John Eastman or he does not win and he either dies or claims he is too diminished from dementia to stand trial. There will be no accountability for him. 

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34 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Although I'd have to think doing that would be a huge risk to her career. She's already in a Florida backwater, she may get nothing but garbage cases and pure shit the rest of her career if she fucks this up. It's a big risk to further push it back from May. 

Being awarded the Presidential Medal of Excellence by Dictator Trump does not sound like a huge risk to one's career.

Posted
6 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Being awarded the Presidential Medal of Excellence by Dictator Trump does not sound like a huge risk to one's career.

Given his track record would you risk your career on Trump succeeding with anything? Other than his one fluke in 2016 he's gotten his ass kicked over and over again and everything he touches turns to shit. 

22 minutes ago, CTC2 said:

That’s not how it works. She has a job for life and there is no way she will refuse herself. If she did not want the case all she had to do was tell the chief judge of the division. She wants it and will take care of orange Jesus. 
Either Trump becomes president and has it all dismissed by his AG John Eastman or he does not win and he either dies or claims he is too diminished from dementia to stand trial. There will be no accountability for him. 

She's appointed for life but she still has oversight from the court of appeals and if Trump loses again she risks her reputation being tied to his and going down with him. It all depends on how things shake out and how she's perceived going forward. 

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16 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

Given his track record would you risk your career on Trump succeeding with anything? Other than his one fluke in 2016 he's gotten his ass kicked over and over again and everything he touches turns to shit. 

She's appointed for life but she still has oversight from the court of appeals and if Trump loses again she risks her reputation being tied to his and going down with him. It all depends on how things shake out and how she's perceived going forward. 

Shame is not really an attribute exhibited by Red Hats. 

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Posted
On 7/18/2023 at 10:48 PM, tx 3 putt said:

 

 

this one needs to meet the same fate and here he is admitting to executing fraud ....

 

This guy has way too canny a resemblance to Goebbels.

On 7/19/2023 at 10:34 AM, The Dog said:

 

I don't know if they're fools or patriots, but I'm betting they're never getting paid.  

Posted
6 hours ago, Rimbo said:

This is the wrong thread for you to post these very wrong ideas.

You’re completely, totally, and utterly wrong in your opinion that Gore would’ve done the same things Bush did, indefensibly so, in this or any other thread. But yeah, let’s not derail this thread. 

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Just now, WhatTheBuck said:

You’re completely, totally, and utterly wrong in your opinion that Gore would’ve done the same things Bush did, indefensibly so, in this or any other thread. But yeah, let’s not derail this thread. 

If you are right, then we are extraordinarily fortunate that Gore did not become president.

But I don't think Gore is anywhere near that stupid.

Posted
2 hours ago, CTC2 said:

There is not a federal court in America where I could get away with the delay tactics that his lawyers get away with. 

That's a little hysterical right there, and I think you know it.

Cannon may indeed fuck this up, or maybe she won't, but to act like she's already letting them get away with shit that no other federal court in America would tolerate is bullshit.

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