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5 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

We’re not going to stop until we see massive deaths due to consumption, scarlet fever, the plague and perhaps leprosy. 
 

Making Leprosy Colonies Great Again. 

Bloody flux, imo.

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1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

I mean I acknowledge the pandemic had a lot to do with advancing vaccine skepticism. But I don't really get what the CDC has to do with that specifically. The United States is not the only country in the world. There were lots of other similar institutions around the word and while other countries did it better, like Sweden I think, others went much farther. I don't think by the standards of their peers the CDC was that unreasonable or extreme. But sure I haven't played Monday morning QB with every single thing the CDC did because, frankly, I had doctor friends and I did things almost entirely on their advice. I generally only have contempt for the US media so I couldn't even really trust them to reliably give me accurate information of whatever it was the CDC was even recommending.

But the CDC and its sister institutions around the world do have a century or more of remarkable success saving millions, if not tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions of lives. That track record should mean something yes? We are really going to burn it all to the ground because they may, or may have not, gotten a few things wrong during Covid? A disease that rapidly spread that they initially knew relatively little about? When they were not even that much of an outlier among their peer institutions?

Is that tone deaf? Am I really supposed to let measles and other deadly diseases come roaring back to life to kill children just because of something that may or may not have been a bad mistake a few years ago?

Ur a librul commie faget because you let the gubmint tell you to wear a face diaper.  And they weren't even sure they worked.

That's real fashism.  Not like anything Lord God king bufu orange shitfunnel's doing.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Ur a librul commie faget because you let the gubmint tell you to wear a face diaper.  And they weren't even sure they worked.

That's real fashism.  Not like anything Lord God king bufu orange shitfunnel's doing.

Twice is on one tonight. 
 

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38 minutes ago, scottsins said:

Are they going to order insurance companies to pay for it?

They can I believe. Insurance is regulated at the state level (one of the many things that keep rates high)

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18 hours ago, GenXer said:


Oklahoma will be all in on this.

75% of the time I go visit my family in oklahoma, I come back with some sickness. It’s a gross state. A petri dish of stupidity.

 

You caught the stupid when in Oklahoma? Man it’s worse than I thought. I’m so sorry, thoughts and prayers. 

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14 hours ago, scottsins said:


Just to add some detail:

https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunizations/school/exemptions

Just download a form, check the box for “conscientious objector”, get it notarized and turn it in to the school.

No signature needed other than a dipshit parent.

Vax rates are declining but many districts are near, at or above the 95% threshold considered necessary for herd immunity. Take this “form” away and laziness will be the likely culprit for most opt outs.

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N95 masks as opposed to fishing and hunting gaiters work. I religiously wear an N95 when traveling and it’s money. Proper face masks reduce the transmissibility of COVID to an uninfected person by 99.99% if I recall correctly the stats. Not a surgical mask, not a KN95, anyway, social distancing, proper masks and vaccines were 100% on the money the correct course to take. To be blunt there’s not much the CDC did wrong. CDC didn’t pass the mandates - GREG ABBOTT closed Texas down, not the CDC. TRUMP passed the first of two major bailouts that spun up inflation (partly) not the CDC. To be fucking blunt, the CDC trains for this shit and they fucking hit a grand slam here. How we can sit here and criticize the pillars of public health and the recommendations that in hindsight actually saved millions of lives is beyond me. 

and what’s worse is we need to keep the research, the monitoring rolling not just Covid which still presents a major health risk (albeit much less) but for future pandemics as our planet is getting really crowded with viral hosts. 

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19 hours ago, GenXer said:


Oklahoma will be all in on this.

75% of the time I go visit my family in oklahoma, I come back with some sickness. It’s a gross state. A petri dish of stupidity.

 

This happened to me on my visit to Texas a few weeks back.  Now, I did have layovers of course in various airports, but I'll blame Texas anyway. 

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N95 masks as opposed to fishing and hunting gaiters work. I religiously wear an N95 when traveling and it’s money. Proper face masks reduce the transmissibility of COVID to an uninfected person by 99.99% if I recall correctly the stats. Not a surgical mask, not a KN95, anyway, social distancing, proper masks and vaccines were 100% on the money the correct course to take. To be blunt there’s not much the CDC did wrong. CDC didn’t pass the mandates - GREG ABBOTT closed Texas down, not the CDC. TRUMP passed the first of two major bailouts that spun up inflation (partly) not the CDC. To be fucking blunt, the CDC trains for this shit and they fucking hit a grand slam here. How we can sit here and criticize the pillars of public health and the recommendations that in hindsight actually saved millions of lives is beyond me. 
and what’s worse is we need to keep the research, the monitoring rolling not just Covid which still presents a major health risk (albeit much less) but for future pandemics as our planet is getting really crowded with viral hosts. 


Regarding future pandemics, another concern rarely discussed is that mRNA technology serves or could serve as a critical piece of national security if/when we are targeted by various novel lab created biological weapons.
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He's apparently getting questioned by Congress this morning.  I will not be watching that creature croak out his conspiracy nonsense, so one of you will have to post notes.

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One more thought on all this, and maybe its in this thread already.  But obviously somebody somewhere  decided killing or at the very least making Americans sick was profitable enough to warrant putting the quacks in charge and casting doubt on science.  Heritage Foundation, project2025 folks, someone or some group with big money.  I'm not smart enough or dedicated enough to reading about all this to understand where the grift is.

Like fantastically I could say they want more of us sick and broke so they could put us in debtor's prisons and force us into indentured servitude.  But my experience is most CEO's are psychos who don't think beyond this week's stock profits, or at maximum this quarter's earnings.  So perhaps they don't even see that killing of their workers (either literally or figuratively) won't help their bottom line?  Do they really think AI will automagically replace us all so therefore fuck vaccines?  Is it that simple? 

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1 hour ago, troph said:

N95 masks as opposed to fishing and hunting gaiters work. I religiously wear an N95 when traveling and it’s money. Proper face masks reduce the transmissibility of COVID to an uninfected person by 99.99% if I recall correctly the stats. Not a surgical mask, not a KN95, anyway, social distancing, proper masks and vaccines were 100% on the money the correct course to take. To be blunt there’s not much the CDC did wrong. CDC didn’t pass the mandates - GREG ABBOTT closed Texas down, not the CDC. TRUMP passed the first of two major bailouts that spun up inflation (partly) not the CDC. To be fucking blunt, the CDC trains for this shit and they fucking hit a grand slam here. How we can sit here and criticize the pillars of public health and the recommendations that in hindsight actually saved millions of lives is beyond me. 

and what’s worse is we need to keep the research, the monitoring rolling not just Covid which still presents a major health risk (albeit much less) but for future pandemics as our planet is getting really crowded with viral hosts. 

Yep. When you see even well meaning people start to stay stuff like "well, maybe the CDC overstepped in hindsight, but....", you know that propaganda works.

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When someone implies the CDC overstepped if not flat out engineered a crisis when COVID wasn't that big of a deal, I just reply that shouldn't we overrespond to a public health situation especially when there are many unknowns but the two knowns are that hospitals are full AND have a high death rate?

When I see a roach crawling across the floor, I could find several ways to kill it or get it outside the house. I find the most effective method is to overreact by stomping on it with force. I'm not lightly tapping it with my shoe.

Final point. Should we examine how we responded and look for better ways, including perhaps less intense measures? 100% yes. No one on the left disagrees with that. As an example, if we had better N95 production capabilities, we could have opened up more businesses and schools sooner.

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23 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

One more thought on all this, and maybe its in this thread already.  But obviously somebody somewhere  decided killing or at the very least making Americans sick was profitable enough to warrant putting the quacks in charge and casting doubt on science.  Heritage Foundation, project2025 folks, someone or some group with big money.  I'm not smart enough or dedicated enough to reading about all this to understand where the grift is.

Like fantastically I could say they want more of us sick and broke so they could put us in debtor's prisons and force us into indentured servitude.  But my experience is most CEO's are psychos who don't think beyond this week's stock profits, or at maximum this quarter's earnings.  So perhaps they don't even see that killing of their workers (either literally or figuratively) won't help their bottom line?  Do they really think AI will automagically replace us all so therefore fuck vaccines?  Is it that simple? 

Correct. The real proof is that every single one of those folks making these policy decisions -- save the several who are true believers like Secretary Brainworm -- are vaccinating themselves and their children to the fullest extent possible. They fucking know better but they're making millions off this shit anti-"science."

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3 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

When someone implies the CDC overstepped if not flat out engineered a crisis when COVID wasn't that big of a deal, I just reply that shouldn't we overrespond to a public health situation especially when there are many unknowns but the two knowns are that hospitals are full AND have a high death rate?

When I see a roach crawling across the floor, I could find several ways to kill it or get it outside the house. I find the most effective method is to overreact by stomping on it with force. I'm not lightly tapping it with my shoe.

Final point. Should we examine how we responded and look for better ways, including perhaps less intense measures? 100% yes. No one on the left disagrees with that. As an example, if we had better N95 production capabilities, we could have opened up more businesses and schools sooner.

I use this one and with the exhale valve and horizontal straps as opposed to the vertical straps it even eliminates the "I can't breathe" or "it fogs up my glasses" or "I'm breathing my own CO2" or "it hurts my ears" arguments. granted it doesn't filter out my breath but in this environment I see 4 people from beginning to end on a trip that wear masks so it doesn't matter. 

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12 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

One more thought on all this, and maybe its in this thread already.  But obviously somebody somewhere  decided killing or at the very least making Americans sick was profitable enough to warrant putting the quacks in charge and casting doubt on science.  Heritage Foundation, project2025 folks, someone or some group with big money.  I'm not smart enough or dedicated enough to reading about all this to understand where the grift is.

Like fantastically I could say they want more of us sick and broke so they could put us in debtor's prisons and force us into indentured servitude.  But my experience is most CEO's are psychos who don't think beyond this week's stock profits, or at maximum this quarter's earnings.  So perhaps they don't even see that killing of their workers (either literally or figuratively) won't help their bottom line?  Do they really think AI will automagically replace us all so therefore fuck vaccines?  Is it that simple? 

I think the goal is just the general delegitimization of science and expertise. We are the only authority you should listen to. We are the sole source of truth and everyone else is out to fool you. Everything you hear otherwise is just a big coverup. They aren't telling you the whole truth. RFK and his anti-vax crowd are just useful idiots to that end. The Project 2025 types you mention don't give a fuck if anyone gets vaccinated or doesn't get vaccinated. As always, they'll be personally fine. But the more voters they can push into fearful, ignorant, and conspiratorial mindset, the more that they can spoon feed those voters "the truth".

It's the same thing that started happening with the media decades ago. Fox comes along and starts screaming 24/7 that everyone that's not Fox is woefully biased. You don't necessarily need everyone to believe that 100% (although plenty will, and do). You just need to get people to start thinking in terms of "two sides" to every story. If Fox implies "we're one half of the story", then people naturally start to believe that their local newspaper, the evening network news, the AP, etc is "the other half". So, boom, there's no referee any more. There's no common set of facts or common worldview that everyone is starting from. Now it just becomes a matter of can you tell a better story than the other guy? If you can, the details of that story don't even matter, because again, everything is two-sided, and if my story is crazy, then so is the other side's. I just need to present mine more persuasively.

But why stop with the media? That's only one piece of the wider culture. Now they've moved on to higher education, K-12 education, entertainment, science and medicine, and on and on. Politicize everything. Present two sides to every story. Confuse people as to what the facts are, and you've prepared their minds to hear whatever narrative you want to tell. Facts be damned.

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The esteemed senator from Louisiana just asked RFKjr if he thought Trump should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for Operation Warp Speed. lol

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5 minutes ago, C-Man said:

The esteemed senator from Louisiana just asked RFKjr if he thought Trump should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for Operation Warp Speed. lol

Oh so they're taking this pretty seriously then, huh?

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9 minutes ago, tokamak said:

I think the goal is just the general delegitimization of science and expertise. We are the only authority you should listen to. We are the sole source of truth and everyone else is out to fool you. Everything you hear otherwise is just a big coverup. They aren't telling you the whole truth. RFK and his anti-vax crowd are just useful idiots to that end. The Project 2025 types you mention don't give a fuck if anyone gets vaccinated or doesn't get vaccinated. As always, they'll be personally fine. But the more voters they can push into fearful, ignorant, and conspiratorial mindset, the more that they can spoon feed those voters "the truth".

It's the same thing that started happening with the media decades ago. Fox comes along and starts screaming 24/7 that everyone that's not Fox is woefully biased. You don't necessarily need everyone to believe that 100% (although plenty will, and do). You just need to get people to start thinking in terms of "two sides" to every story. If Fox implies "we're one half of the story", then people naturally start to believe that their local newspaper, the evening network news, the AP, etc is "the other half". So, boom, there's no referee any more. There's no common set of facts or common worldview that everyone is starting from. Now it just becomes a matter of can you tell a better story than the other guy? If you can, the details of that story don't even matter, because again, everything is two-sided, and if my story is crazy, then so is the other side's. I just need to present mine more persuasively.

But why stop with the media? That's only one piece of the wider culture. Now they've moved on to higher education, K-12 education, entertainment, science and medicine, and on and on. Politicize everything. Present two sides to every story. Confuse people as to what the facts are, and you've prepared their minds to hear whatever narrative you want to tell. Facts be damned.

The right and even some on the left play politics as an attack sport. When healthcare overwhelmingly went against some right politicians' beliefs, its time to delegitimize healthcare by attacking them as biased and having other motivations. Obviously reasonable people realize that this is a projection from those on the right, who are the biased and illegitimately motivated ones.

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5 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Oh so they're taking this pretty seriously then, huh?

To Cassidy's credit, he tore into RFKjr pretty quickly after that. I think the Nobel BS was kissing Dear Leader's ass, which is what it is.

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The esteemed senator from Louisiana just asked RFKjr if he thought Trump should be given the Nobel Peace Prize for Operation Warp Speed. lol

I mean it’s honestly a pretty decent gotcha question.

Do you say yes, and appease Dear Leader but contradict all the bullshit you’ve spread about the vaccine?

Or do you say no to keep up the vaccine facade but risk pissing off the biggest grudge holder in human history?
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CNN article today asking questions how RFK is going to release his promised autism cause report this month, when the planned studies haven't been funded or started yet? https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/04/health/kennedy-autism-public-health

They mention how non-MDs are rifling through studies or interviews to most likely proclaim that the cause is vaccines. They're not really even starting with the answer and finding evidence. They will just announce the answer with no evidence, and then assuredly apply policy changes.

My assumption is that they will also kill any fed money that reports on autism rates, and perhaps punish states who do. Then they can declare success in lowering rates.

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I turned this on for about 90 seconds before going "yeah I choose to believe right now that this isn't real life" and turned some music on instead. Someone was yelling at him "You don't think the covid vaccines saved lives??". 



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